184. Who’s Driving the Dreambus? – A Conversation with Tim Freke and Lisa Cairns

Who's Driving the DreambusIn Who’s Driving the Dreambus? filmmakers Boris and Claire Jansch go on a personal journey to unravel what it means to be alive. This radical and challenging documentary ventures into the heart of the mystery of identity, flipping the idea of spiritual endeavor on its head, revealing a message so profound and yet so simple that it might just end the search.

Who’s Driving the Dreambus? LIVE was a two-day conference held in London in August 2013.

This is a conversation with two of the speakers at that conference.

Tim FrekeTim Freke is the standup philosopher – a concept he developed from the ancient idea of a philosopher as a traveling ‘spiritual entertainer’ who transformed people’s consciousness. He is pioneering an accessible new way to experience a profound spiritual awakening, which fully embraces our tender, vulnerable, flawed humanity. He has spent his life exploring the awakened state he often simply calls the ‘mystery experience’ and is able to guide others directly to it. Other interviews with Tim here, here, and here.

Lisa CairnsLisa Cairns talks worldwide with people about non-duality. Oneness. The aliveness that always is – no matter what is imagined in it – subject/object, good/bad, right/wrong, beauty/ugly, me/you. It has always been this – life undivided – with a bittersweet daydream of separation.  She points to the illusory dream of “I” which seems to give the energetic appearance of separation from life itself, and to the boundless freedom that has always been here – that never left and was never lost.

Transcript of this conversation

Interview conducted 7/21/2013

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to “Who’s Driving the Dream Bus?”
  • 00:04:40 – Perspectives on the Film and the Illusion of Choice
  • 00:10:46 – The Dreamer and the Dream
  • 00:13:09 – The initiatory process and the mystical marriage
  • 00:15:19 – Explorers of the Mystery
  • 00:17:40 – The Illusion of Interpretation
  • 00:20:06 – The Articulation of Consciousness
  • 00:22:01 – The Experience of Consciousness
  • 00:24:11 – Different Perspectives and Consciousness
  • 00:26:16 – The Spectrum of Non-Duality
  • 00:28:59 – The Nature of Reality
  • 00:31:21 – The Flow of Love and the Manyness of Things
  • 00:33:47 – The Paradox of Boundaries and Unboundedness
  • 00:36:10 – Intrinsic Fascination with Colors and Light
  • 00:38:49 – The Illusion of Separation and Oneness
  • 00:40:59 – The Spontaneous Process of Recognition in Everyday Life
  • 00:42:55 – The Importance of Unconscious Competence
  • 00:44:55 – The Paradoxical Nature of Thought
  • 00:47:19 – The Dynamic Universe
  • 00:50:09 – The Mystery of Individuated Complexity
  • 00:52:40 – Simplicity and Fulfillment
  • 00:55:27 – The Significance of Love and Oneness
  • 00:59:07 – The Practical Significance of Spirituality
  • 01:02:38 – The Impersonal Nature of Love
  • 01:05:06 – The Indistinguishability of Better or Worse
  • 01:07:21 – The Symphony of Life
  • 01:09:48 – The Illusion of Good and Bad Actions
  • 01:11:50 – The Illusion of Hot and Cold
  • 01:14:21 – The Revelation of Love and Personal Connection
  • 01:17:30 – Conference Information on batgap.com