594. Lisa Rose

Lisa RoseAll I ever did was emphatically declare, “I want to know God, NOW!”  It wasn’t long before I was fast-tracked into a reality I didn’t know existed, an inner world full of extraordinary gifts and ultimately liberation of the mind.  I’d stumbled upon a pamphlet that outlines a formula to regenerate one’s human race consciousness to Divine Consciousness, like a reboot, by calling forth into one’s mind higher, more universally aligned modes of Being.  That pamphlet became my bible, my book of living, and thru contemplative practice expanded the I AM presence within, attracting that which is stable, immutable Principle into my self-consciousness.  The art of surrender as put forth by Ramana Maharshi played a huge role along the way, although at the time I had little clue who he was.

The regeneration occurred in February 2016, followed by three full years of Bliss, a state of Consciousness I am convinced is that of a newborn.  I wallowed in that cocoon, integrating the expansion that I sometimes felt might never end!!! until the desire emerged to step back out into the world.  A two-year investigation of kundalini life energy, universal consciousness, and fractal/plasma physics has continued my evolving perception and experiences.  The real fun has truly begun, my book of living has become my Book of Life!

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Books mentioned during the interview:

Main points discussed:

  • Initial awakening occurred after three years of intense contemplation and desire to know God.
  • Holographic and telepathic encounter with Ramana Maharshi.
  • Three-year blissful contemplation on the “Omniscient, infinite and eternal nature”. The bliss eclipsed human emotions such as fear and animosity.
  • The bliss subsided as the awakening became more integrated.
  • Most people don’t relate God and ‘consciousness’.
  • Shift from fear to divine love. Heart-brain coherence ended 20-year problem with heart palpitations.
  • Recognizing that consciousness is primal and not a product of the brain accelerates our evolution.
  • The importance of balancing experience and understanding.
  • Your higher self knows everything about you and knows what is best for you.
  • No such thing as coincidence.
  • ‘There is no bridge between here and here, we are all that is, we are sovereign beings.’

Six main points:

  1. Update your science. Understand the non-solid nature of physical matter.
  2. Set your Intention. “I want to know God.” “I want to know my Creator.” “I want to Awaken.” “I want to Embody only Truth.”
  3. Claim your True Identity. Recognize and assert your Divine Origin, your Universal Nature!
  4. Give in, give over, completely give way to your Creator!
  5. Focus your attention on your intention!
  6. Do not sway. Be a rock, do not roll. Unwavering.
  • The power of attention.
  • Self-healing comes from the omnipresent nature of our consciousness.
  • Discussion of the pineal gland.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded April 10, 2021.

Video below. Audio coming soon.

593. Ameeta Kaul

Ameeta KaulAmeeta was born and raised in Mumbai India and recalls two predominant family themes which influenced her formative years: intellectual curiosity and devotion to God. She was educated and conditioned to aspire to conventional success, which pursuit dominated the first three decades of her life.

She consciously experienced the first stirrings of her deepest yearning following the cancer diagnosis and subsequent death of her father in 1999. Questions opened up in her like “What is life?”, “What is death?”, and “What is going on?”.

From then on, Life orchestrated a series of events and experiences which placed her and nurtured her, on an overt spiritual journey. The major influences along the way were Ken Wilber, Byron Katie, and Adyashanti. It was with Adya that she finally found what she was looking for, in terms of his spiritual guidance which has always resonated in her being, in terms of his living example which continues to inspire her, and most especially in terms of what those two brought alive and online within her.

What she now sees clearly is that it was the Heart Sutra teaching of Emptiness is Form and Form is Emptiness, which is the meta-story of her life and existence.

In 2017 she received her Soul name of Moving Mountain in Taos. And this opened a new facet on her journey, where she experienced deep communion with Nature and a tangible connection with Goddess.

Ameeta’s path has been gradual and studded with many life-altering realizations, which illuminated her self-knowledge, and which continue to translate into how she lives and relates in the world. She likes to say she is eternally a work-in-progress.

Over the years she has been sharing her experience with small groups and coaching spiritual seekers one on one. Now she is called to share her message more broadly through Moving Mountain Academy.

Main points discussed:

  • Ameeta’s background and spiritual path, including her irresistible shift from businesswoman to spiritual seeker.
  • Ken Wilber’s influence in reconciling the battle between her spiritual and intellectual lives.
  • Adyashanti’s influence.
  • Healthy and unhealthy teacher/student devotional relationships.
  • Primordial fear and its falling away.
  • Having a teacher ‘carry the present being awareness’ until one is ready to hold it for oneself.
  • Teachers are ‘custodians of what the student has not yet recognized’.
  • Ameeta’s relationship with Taos mountain and how it helped her recognize the spiritual progress she had made.
  • Embodying what had been realized.
  • The underlying direction of Ameeta’s journey: form is emptiness, emptiness is form.
  • Different paths enrich one other and contribute to the whole.
  • We “stand on the shoulders” of past spiritual pioneers.
  • The value of ancient traditions and innovative modern ones.
  • Spirituality vis-à-vis formal religious systems.
  • Direct vs. progressive paths.
  • Fear of life and embodiment.
  • Individuals are more powerful than they realize, and choices more consequential.
  • The significance of spirituality in dealing with the world’s problems.
  • Listening to opposing viewpoints is a way to test one’s realization.
  • Love and empathy for humanity.
  • The importance of closeness to nature. The universe is talking to us.
  • A fundamental shift in consciousness is happening now in the world, without which, attempting to solve problems on the level of symptoms would fail.
  • Presenting spirituality in ordinary language.
  • Depression, anxiety, addiction, etc. are cries for help. People know there’s something deeper and are dissatisfied with surface values.
  • Ameeta’s program to help people experience that there is something much vaster than the thinking mind.
  • The mind-body system is a portal to unboundedness.
  • Including but transcending rationality.
  • Understanding can help us recognize previously unrecognized experiential shifts.
  • The importance of and distinction between knowledge and experience.
  • The correlation (or lack of it) between health and spiritual development.
  • Using ‘free will’ to align with life’s flow.
  • The relationship between science and spirituality.
  • Integration of our boundless essential nature with the boundaries of individual life.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded April 3, 2021

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

592. Richard Rohr

Richard RohrRichard Rohr is a Franciscan priest of the New Mexico Province. He is the founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation and academic dean of the CAC’s Living School. An internationally recognized author and spiritual leader, Fr. Richard teaches primarily on incarnational mysticism, non-dual consciousness, and contemplation, with a particular emphasis on how these affect the social justice issues of our time.

Podcast: Another Name for Every Thing

A few of Fr. Rohr’s 30+ books:

Main points discussed in this conversation:

  • The universal Christ and the personal Jesus.
  • Our environmental destruction reveals our failure to realize God’s omnipresence.
  • Tribal vs. universal religion.
  • Christians are known for protecting life before birth, but not after.
  • Process Theology: Consciousness is evolving in its capacity to be received and embodied.
  • We only have metaphors to describe God – e.g. God is light. There was never one notion of God in the old testament or new testament.
  • Jesus is often depicted as a punisher rather than the compassionate man that he was.
  • Order, Disorder, and Reorder – all three are necessary for the universe to exist.
  • Embracing polarities and paradox.
  • God as the Great Allower – free will.
  • Aligning with God’s will.
  • The Universal Christ – the synthesis of Richard’s 50+ ministry.
  • Transactional vs. transformational religion.
  • The meaning of Jesus dying for our sins.
  • Jesus did not come to change the mind of God about humanity but to change the mind of humanity about God.
  • The importance of restorative vs. retributive justice.
  • The Apostles’ creed.
  • Infinite love can never give up on anything it created.
  • Fundamentally, we’re all connected, so we all share each other’s sins and virtues to some degree.
  • The fall had to happen for us to freely choose the good.
  • Nonduality is more explicit in eastern religions but is also in Christianity.
  • Universities teach us knowledge but not wisdom. Great love and great suffering are the universal paths of transformation. If you avoid them, you will never be wise.
  • We need to love something more than ourselves. We start with a stone, a plant, an animal, and work our way up to God.
  • Suffering accompanies love, but without love, there are things you will never know.
  • The meaning of the crucifixion, in terms of solidarity.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded March 27, 2021

Video below. Audio coming soon.