258. Birthing Radiant Being into Our Humanity, with Susanne Marie, Amoda Maa, & T Jonathon Proctor

Today, as more people than ever before have awakening experiences, there is a need to know how the light of unbounded being-ness can be embodied. The conversation offered in this panel discussion points to the inclusion of the earthly dimension of life – especially emotions – in awakened perception. And this inclusion is an ongoing exploration of honest feeling and “telling the truth” that is never-ending.

Amoda Maa is a spiritual teacher and author. Her teaching arises out of direct experience of awakened awareness and emanates the untamable fragrance of freedom whilst radically embracing the mystery and mess of human existence. She currently lives in the US and travels widely to offer Satsangs, Retreats & Private Meetings to a growing global community, as well as being a frequent guest speaker at conferences and events.


Susanne Marie has been interviewed on Conscious TV, Buddha at the Gas Pump, as well as other programs and is a regular presenter at the Science and Nonduality Conference. She provides spiritual mentoring support to people who are both seekers of truth as well as those who are now embodying and integrating realization. Susanne is a mother to two teens, and parents, teaches, and lives in Northern California. She holds an open hearted approach welcoming all aspects of Self to be seen and met in the heart.

‘Feeling separate from the rest of life when not understood as itself being an aspect that is part of the whole, is an innocent misunderstanding which elicits suffering and which can be seen through.’  

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T Jonathon Proctor is the creator of Being Real—Being Embodied. He works with individuals and groups to balance and integrate the “ascending” currents of awakening and the “descending” maturation of embodiment. T has a background in physical therapy and bodywork, Vipassana meditation and non-dual realization. His own journey, his work with others, and years of experience as a Hospice bereavement facilitator have inspired a deep appreciation for the individual narrative as a well of meaning; seeing self-understanding as powerful movement of compassion. His orientation arises out of a heartfelt knowing that every aspect of our human experience is essential to the process of Awakening and Self-realization.


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Discussion recorded 10/24/2014 at the Science and Nonduality Conference.

Transcript of this discussion

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to the Panel Discussion on Embodiment
  • 00:03:06 – Questions on Spiritual Realization
  • 00:05:23 – Themes for Discussion on Awakening and Embodiment
  • 00:08:21 – Cultivating Presence and Resolving Human Patterns
  • 00:11:21 – The Innate Tendency of the Mind
  • 00:14:54 – Following our innate intelligence
  • 00:18:02 – Cultivating a Beautiful Soul
  • 00:20:56 – The Evolution of a Human Being
  • 00:24:25 – The Seeking of Self
  • 00:27:40 – The Illusion of Self and Inner Conflict
  • 00:30:39 – The Exquisite Experience of Everything
  • 00:33:23 – Embracing the Unknown Territory
  • 00:36:42 – Incorporating the Paradox of Existence
  • 00:39:30 – Embracing the Paradox of Boundness and Unboundness
  • 00:43:43 – Embracing the Preciousness of Life
  • 00:44:27 – Embracing Fear as Part of the Human Experience
  • 00:47:29 – Embracing Fear in the Unknown
  • 00:50:40 – Burning out and surrendering to fear
  • 00:54:03 – Surrendering to Existential Fear
  • 00:57:37 – Dissolvement of Existential Fear
  • 01:00:16 – Finding Balance and Facing Mortality
  • 01:02:43 – FACES: Flexibilidade, Adaptação, Coerência, Energia e Estabilidade
  • 01:05:55 – Being Present with Others
  • 01:09:13 – Writing the Book and Finding God in Everything
  • 01:12:04 – Discovering Satsang in Silence
  • 01:15:00 – The Experience of Awakening
  • 01:18:12 – Disillusionment and Embodiment
  • 01:21:14 – The Importance of Self-Reflection and Truth
  • 01:24:36 – Embracing Authenticity and Freshness
  • 01:28:09 – The Blessing of Being Cut Down
  • 01:30:53 – Podcast, Donation, and Notifications