687. Carter Phipps

Carter Phipps is the author of Evolutionaries and coauthor of the Wall Street Journal Bestseller Conscious Leadership with John Mackey and Steve McIntosh. He is co-founder of the Institute for Cultural Evolution, which addresses political polarization though focusing on the cultural roots of America’s challenges. He hosts the Thinking Ahead podcast and is a former award-winning journalist and executive editor of What Is Enlightenment? Magazine. His website is http://www.carterphipps.com.

Essay we discussed in the interview: Mysticism and Its Discontents: Does Spiritual Illumination Create its own Intrinsic Blindness?

Summary and Transcript and of this interview

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group

Interview recorded July 29, 2023

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:03:50 – The Paradox of Spiritual Teachers’ Behavior
  • 00:07:52 – The Subtleties of Enlightenment and the Dangers of Blind Spots
  • 00:11:24 – The Complications of Spiritual Awakening
  • 00:14:40 – Defining Enlightenment
  • 00:18:42 – Strengths and Weaknesses in Areas of Genius
  • 00:22:31 – The Transformative Power of Mystical Awakening
  • 00:26:15 – The Tradeoffs of Enlightenment
  • 00:29:31 – Levels of Reality and Integration
  • 00:35:06 – The Goal of Our Own Practice
  • 00:37:33 – Delusion in Deep Mystical Experience
  • 00:41:43 – The Path of Renunciation and Self-Brainwashing
  • 00:45:46 – The Complex Psychology of Seeking Enlightenment
  • 00:50:24 – The Evolution of Culture and Consciousness
  • 00:55:17 – The Dangers of Unhealthy Self-Doubt and Lack of Self-Criticism
  • 00:59:32 – The Delusion of Pure Motive
  • 01:03:22 – The Dangers of Spiritual Confidence
  • 01:08:15 – Blurring the Line between the Spiritual and Manifest World
  • 01:14:10 – The Interface between Science and Spirituality
  • 01:17:50 – The Tradition of Debate and Mythical Stories
  • 01:21:35 – The Power and Deception of Inner Intuition
  • 01:25:41 – The Relationship Between Enlightenment and Psychological Instability
  • 01:28:35 – Psychological Traces and Vulnerability to Mystical Experiences
  • 01:31:49 – Spiritual Breakthroughs and Psychological Breakdowns
  • 01:35:11 – The Role of Responsible Psychedelic Therapists
  • 01:39:44 – The Importance of Understanding Cultural Evolution and the Adjacent Possible
  • 01:45:18 – The Myth of the Perfect Enlightened Figure
  • 01:50:09 – The Importance of Understanding the Self-Structure
  • 01:55:00 – The Importance of Questioning Spiritual Myths and Beliefs
  • 01:59:38 – Being Discerning and Questioning
  • 02:07:06 – Future Teaching and Updates from Carter Phipps

685. Lucy Grace, 2nd Interview

Lucy was raised in a low socioeconomic household and neighborhood, by a young single mother in New Zealand in the early 1980s.

The lack of resources available in childhood resulted in a shrinking of her outer world to what she thought of –  years later – as a kind of welfare-child ashram. Within the home, and outside of it, there were few distractions or ability to go anywhere else, and significant trauma – all forcing her to go within to what she thought of as “the deep stillness and light inside” to rest, find nourishment, solace, and strength.

At 19 she experienced her first shift, seeing through the personality, and subtle perceptions revealing themselves.

She never thought much of it, there had already been so much light inside, and she was so thrilled to be in the world finally so she simply went on with living.

After a brief stint in television journalism, Lucy spent 15 years in Europe and New Zealand working for international humanitarian aid agencies.

On return to NZ at age 31, she suddenly became extremely ill.  For six months, she was mostly bedridden. Doctors, both natural and traditional, could not find the source of the illness.

Over the next few years, she had to work to earn an income but there was no strength for much else. The pain in her body was ever-present, and the fear of not knowing if this was her life forever now, was sometimes crippling.

She was forced to exist in a kind of in-between world again – of much aloneness and silence, aside from work.

After a few years of significant illness, she recovered strength enough to live a semi-normal life. But any time she tried to do too much, she was knocked back into illness.

By 35 she was in a leadership role at a non-profit, married, with a baby on the way, just surviving day-to-day with the pressure on her physical body.

On becoming a mother, she was plunged into a level of blackness that was completely shocking and previously unknown.

For more than two years she descended into complete separation and couldn’t hear the guidance that had always accompanied her in her life. For the first time ever she couldn’t feel God.

In 2018, after more than two years of immense struggle, an unexplainable and absolute surrender took place within, in a moment, as her two-year-old cried and reached for her.

Within two months she had left the career she loved to rest in what she thought of as silence. For around a year and a half, she couldn’t do much else.

Lucy had never been exposed to spirituality, nor did she know anything about its concepts or traditions. She thought meditation was for “those hippy people.”

Because there had been no conscious spiritual search, she had no context for what was happening. Often it was so beautiful and joyful – she didn’t need to know. There was an innate sense of trust and recognition that went beyond what needed to be seen or understood with the mind.

When the need to understand did arise – some online searches helped a little, but often it all felt overwhelming, and she preferred sitting in silence to hear from within. Guidance and teaching were always present and given through hearing and images. Despite this, when particularly strange things would occur the need for the mind to understand would return.

One night in 2019, before sleep, in heartfelt prayer she asked for help to cut through all the online noise and finally really grasp what was going on. There was a felt sense of need for community.

As she was awakening in the morning, she heard the words “Buddha at the Gas Pump”. Lucy says, “I was stumped. I had no idea what that meant, but Googled it and found BatGap. As a result, my life has changed. Over the years BatGap has supported me deeply in the process – nurturing trust and allowing everything to unfold as it wants to.”

From then until now, Lucy has been called over and over into deeper surrender. She has had further shifts and many clearings. Her career of 15 years, husband/partner of 16 years, many friends, and her home – all things she loved dearly – have fallen away.

She has never had a teacher and has read very little. She makes no claim to know anything.

It seems to her that there is nothing to know, or that can be known. There is no one way and no right way. There is only your way, to be honoured and cherished and fallen into more and more deeply in every breath.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Summary and Transcript of this interview

Lucy’s first BatGap interview

Interview recorded July 1, 2023.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction and Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:08:18 – Connecting with Others in Awakening
  • 00:17:09 – The Tenderness of Authentic Joy and the Rage it Provokes
  • 00:24:02 – Temptation and Projections
  • 00:30:04 – The Transformation of a Life
  • 00:34:26 – A Glowing Experience
  • 00:38:26 – Surrendering to the Path of Joy
  • 00:43:11 – Embracing Change in Life
  • 00:48:10 – Moving into a Group of Guides
  • 00:53:59 – The Humility of the Being
  • 00:57:54 – Prayer and Divine Guidance
  • 01:01:56 – Dissolving Barriers and Embodying Truth
  • 01:06:40 – Embracing the Path of Life
  • 01:11:22 – The Struggle of the Butterfly’s Emergence
  • 01:16:19 – The Power of Self-Acceptance
  • 01:21:28 – The Gifts of Illness
  • 01:26:39 – Trusting the Intelligence of Nature
  • 01:31:30 – Deepening into Presence
  • 01:35:33 – The Paradox of Self and No Self
  • 01:40:23 – The Reality of Vyavaharika and the Peril of Denial
  • 01:45:19 – The Deep Connection with Nature
  • 01:50:55 – Turning the Light Around
  • 01:55:40 – Witnessing the Being

682. Jill Bolte Taylor

Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor is a Harvard trained and published neuroanatomist who is now affiliated with the Indiana University School of Medicine, Department of Neurology. In 1996 she experienced a severe hemorrhage in the left hemisphere of her brain causing her to lose the ability to walk, talk, read, write or recall any of her life. Her memoir, My Stroke of Insight, documenting her experience with stroke and eight-year recovery spent 63 weeks on the New York Times nonfiction bestseller list. Her most recent 2021 book is WHOLE BRAIN LIVING: The Anatomy of Choice and the Four Characters That Drive Our Life.

Dr. Taylor is a dynamic teacher and public speaker who loves educating all age groups, academic levels, as well as corporations about the beauty of our human brain and how we can work with ourself to live a more peaceful life. In 2008 she gave the first TED talk that ever went viral on the Internet, which now has well over 28.5 million views. Also in 2008, Dr. Taylor was chosen as one of TIME Magazine’s “100 Most Influential People in the World” and was the premiere guest on Oprah Winfrey’s “Soul Series” web-cast.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Summary and transcript of this interview

Interview recorded May 14, 2023.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:05:33 – The Evolutionary Goal of Humanity
  • 00:11:07 – The Experience of the Present Moment
  • 00:17:04 – Developing the Whole Brain
  • 00:23:18 – Understanding the Dynamics of Relationships
  • 00:28:43 – Understanding Character Two and Emotional Pain
  • 00:33:33 – Understanding the Little Character Two
  • 00:38:03 – The Richness of Human Emotions
  • 00:42:05 – Autism and Brain Circuitry
  • 00:47:10 – The Potential Risks of Whole Brain Living and Psychedelics
  • 00:52:44 – Exploring the Options for Bipolar Disorder and PTSD
  • 00:59:58 – The Beauty of Humor
  • 01:07:06 – The Interface of Individuality and Universality
  • 01:16:07 – Bringing Balance and Meaning Into Life
  • 01:25:16 – The Differences in Perception and Information Processing
  • 01:32:07 – The Absurdity of Language and Consciousness
  • 01:37:18 – The Value Structure of Character Four
  • 01:44:01 – Changing the Model of Enlightenment
  • 01:48:18 – The Existence of Free Will
  • 01:53:44 – The Subtle Work of Cells and Neuronal Networks
  • 01:59:21 – The 90-Second Rule & Addiction in the Brain
  • 02:04:19 – Exploring Selective Mutism and Addiction
  • 02:11:27 – Dealing with Fear of the Future and Worry
  • 02:17:51 – Farewell and Thank You