Scott Kiloby is an author and international speaker on mindfulness and addiction recovery. Scott is also the founder and director of the Kiloby Center for Recovery. After twenty years of addiction to drugs and alcohol, Scott began to develop Natural Rest for Addiction which has helped people all over the world confront the root of their addiction, anxiety, and depression.

Scott was the COO of MyLife Recovery which held the patent on the naltrexone implant. Scott also developed an app that acts as an interface between pain management doctors and their patients to decrease the likelihood of addiction. The app also protects doctors legally from claims of negligence arising out of opiate overdoses.

Originally from southern Indiana, Scott was an attorney for several years before becoming an author. He travels extensively across the United States and in Europe giving talks, seminars, and intensives.

Along with his work at the Kiloby Center, Scott is also the director and co-owner of the Natural Rest House, a detox and residential addiction treatment center located in La Quinta, California.

In addition to Natural Rest for Addiction: A Radical Approach to Recovery Through Mindfulness and Awareness, Scott is the author of the following books which can be found on Amazon:

• Living Realization: A Simple, Plain-English Guide to Non-Duality
• The Unfindable Inquiry: One Simple Tool to Overcome Feelings of Unworthiness and Find Inner Peace
• Reflections of the One Life: Daily Pointers to Enlightenment
• Doorway to Total Liberation: Conversations with What Is
• Love’s Quiet Revolution: The End Of The Spiritual Search

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Interview recorded 5/26/2012.

• 1st interview with Scott
• 3rd interview with Scott

YouTube Video Chapters:

• 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
• 00:04:09 – The Significance of Non-Dual Realization
• 00:07:04 – Seeking Validation in Relationships
• 00:09:26 – Inquiry into Self-Worth and Inadequacy
• 00:11:54 – The Velcro Effect: Letting Go of Negative Thoughts
• 00:13:45 – Overcoming the “I’m unlovable” story in relationships
• 00:15:53 – The Transformative Power of Relationship
• 00:18:04 – The Rewiring of Physiology for Realization
• 00:20:32 – The Dangers of Non-Seeking
• 00:23:17 – The Present Exploration
• 00:26:31 – The Unfindable Self
• 00:29:24 – The Unfindability of Personal Perspectives
• 00:32:26 – The Unfindable Self
• 00:34:40 – The Deficient Self
• 00:37:13 – The Inquiry and Self-Perception
• 00:39:44 – The Pursuit of Perfection
• 00:42:25 – The Suffering of Ambition
• 00:44:25 – Harnessing Authentic Ambitions
• 00:46:38 – Energetically Different Approach to Music Creation
• 00:49:03 – Performing One’s Own Dharma
• 00:51:29 – The Mirror of Bullying
• 00:54:06 – Overcompensating and Awakening
• 00:56:46 – Awakening and Ego Aggrandizement
• 00:58:51 – The Recognition of Something Unchanging
• 01:01:11 – Being True to Yourself in Non-Dual Awakening
• 01:03:35 – Peacemaking and the Avoidance of Conflict
• 01:05:45 – The Readiness to Look
• 01:08:00 – The Connection Between Self and the World
• 01:10:25 – Finding Facilitators on livingrealization.org
• 01:12:13 – Wrapping Up and Next Week’s Interview with Nirmala
• 01:13:53 – The Conversation Continues

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Wayne Liquorman was both a spiritual seeker and a family man with a successful export business, when he met his first and final guru, Ramesh Balsekar, in September 1987. In April 1989 the process of seeking ended when enlightenment happened through the body-mind mechanism called Wayne.

Wayne describes the event as being “of interest only to seekers.” His first book, No Way: A Guide For the Spiritually ‘Advanced’ was published in 1990 under the pen name Ram Tzu because he “didn’t want a bunch of miserable seekers cluttering up his living room.” In fact, Wayne did not speak publicly until Ramesh asked him to do so in 1996.

This enlightenment event and its aftermath are described in Wayne’s second book, Acceptance of What IS, published in 2000. He is also the author of Never Mind… A journey into Non-duality, and the editor of Consciousness Speaks and several other books by Ramesh Balsekar, who refers to Wayne as his “spiritual son.” His most recent book, Enlightenment Is Not What You Think, was published in 2009.

The teaching, as it happens through Wayne, is pure Advaita (non-duality), uniquely presented in a uncompromising, sometimes humorous way, without religious dogma or new age veneer. In his Talks, Wayne is without agenda, speaking only in response to seeker’s questions. He talks about Consciousness: the ground of all being, the source and the substance of everything.

“This Advaita, as I talk about it, is not actually a philosophy, because it does not hold any tenets. It is simply a collection of pointers and concepts, and it posits that none of them are true in an absolute sense. This teaching is not about conveying the truth. It is about prying away the limitations and misconceptions about how things are.” – from Never Mind

Wayne’s message is clear and simple. Although he may suggest areas for further inquiry, Wayne offers no cures, practices, or miracles to reach enlightenment. He invites you to bring your most cherished beliefs to his Talks. If you are really fortunate, you may leave without them.

Wayne’s site: http://www.advaita.org/

Transcript of this interview

Interview recorded 7/24/2011

YouTube Video Chapters:

• 00:00:00 – Introduction to Wayne Liquorman
• 00:03:29 – The Illusion of Authorship
• 00:06:45 – The Metaphor of the Ocean and the Wave
• 00:09:48 – The Illusion of Separation
• 00:13:18 – Pure Presence and Is-ness
• 00:16:59 – The Paradox of Action and Inaction
• 00:19:41 – Playing the Role of an Instrument of Consciousness
• 00:22:22 – The Journey from Addiction to Recovery
• 00:25:21 – A Life-Altering Moment
• 00:28:02 – Transformation and the Power of the Universe
• 00:30:16 – Exploring Spiritual Explanations
• 00:32:46 – Falling in Love with Ramesh
• 00:35:38 – Falling in Love with an Indian Guru
• 00:37:54 – The Movement from Wanting to Getting
• 00:40:15 – The Turning Point of Giving and Receiving
• 00:42:27 – Real Freedom and Giving
• 00:44:34 – Getting to Know the Man on Tour
• 00:47:17 – The Experience of Resonance with the Guru
• 00:50:07 – The Awakening
• 00:53:07 – The Presence of Absence
• 00:57:53 – The Unexpected Talk with Ramesh
• 01:01:00 – The Difference Between Pain and Suffering
• 01:04:40 – The Experience of Pain without a Witness
• 01:07:32 – Understanding the Sense of Self as Wayne
• 01:10:35 – The Difference Between Awakening and Enlightenment
• 01:13:56 – The Link Between Enlightenment and Behavior
• 01:17:15 – Behavior and Enlightenment
• 01:20:20 – The Relationship between Action and Consciousness
• 01:23:18 – Further Unfoldment and Development After Realization
• 01:26:01 – Changes in the Human Organism
• 01:28:19 – Wrapping up the Interview

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YouTube Video Chapters:

• 00:00:00 – Introduction to Paul Hedderman
• 00:03:18 – The Essence of Awakening
• 00:05:13 – The cat knocking over the light and the value of interpretation
• 00:07:31 – The false interpretation of a self
• 00:10:00 – The Bogusness of Self
• 00:12:23 – The concept of selfing explained
• 00:14:30 – Language and the Reflective Mind
• 00:17:12 – Freedom from the Bondage of Being a Self
• 00:19:43 – A Conversation on Repetition and Learning
• 00:22:15 – Childhood Innocence and Ant Wars
• 00:24:33 – Finding Relief in Alcohol and Drugs
• 00:26:50 – The Book of Recovery: A Spiritual Program
• 00:28:49 – The Identification as Self
• 00:31:34 – Living in “having found”
• 00:34:13 – The Flow of Juice
• 00:36:22 – Spiritual Practices and Near-Death Experience
• 00:38:18 – Exploring Different Spiritual Practices
• 00:40:48 – Letting Go of the Failed System
• 00:43:03 – The Mental Vice of Selfing
• 00:45:16 – The False Center
• 00:47:46 – Degrees of Bondage
• 00:50:05 – The Illusion of “Self” and Freedom from Selfing
• 00:52:07 – The Pause in Selfing
• 00:54:00 – Applying the Approach to Recovery
• 00:56:22 – The Origin of “Zen Bitch-Slap”
• 00:58:58 – The Illusion of Personal Death
• 01:01:16 – The Seeing of What I’m Not
• 01:03:23 – The Paradox of What’s Not Going On (with Rick Archer)
• 01:06:01 – A Course In Miracles and the Structure of the Mind
• 01:08:11 – Traveling Light through Maya
• 01:10:15 – A Fun Place to Live

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