124. Scott Kiloby, 2nd Interview

Scott KilobyThis was my second interview with Scott. If you’d like to watch the first one, it’s here.

Scott Kiloby is reaching out to all people who are suffering or seeking or cannot seem to find fulfillment in this life no matter where they go or what they do. He is communicating to them that freedom is available and that it is actually contained in their very presence, yet it is overlooked. The benefits of recognizing presence are living with a mind that is at peace, a heart full of love and compassion for others, and the end of looking for happiness outside ourselves.

Scott is the author of “Love’s Quiet Revolution: The End of the Spiritual Search,” “Reflections of the One Life: Daily Pointers to Enlightenment,” “Living Realization: Your Present Experience As It Is,” and “Living Relationship: Finding Harmony with Others” (this upcoming book was the main focus of this interview).

He is also the creator of a new addiction/recovery method called the Natural Rest Presence Method. His book, by the same name, is scheduled for release in 2012.

Scott’s website is www.kiloby.com. This site contains writings, videos, and audio interviews with a wide diversity of teachers, authors, scientists, and psychologists as well as information about private sessions with Scott and online interactivity groups. His addiction recovery site is naturalrestforaddiction.com.

The Facilitators trained by Scott can be found in the Facebook room “Relationship and the Unfindable Self.”

Interview recorded 5/26/2012.

1st interview with Scott

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

9 thoughts on “124. Scott Kiloby, 2nd Interview

  1. Not everyone can reach the summit before learning how to climb forst/ I think Scott’s approach is very practical, realistic, and is most considerate of where the “seeker” is at the moment. . Enquiring from there, and seeing through the layers of who they think they are, rather than asserting from the mountain top that they are the Absolute, Awareness, Consciousness, Space, Emptiness, etc. etc. is just as valid , and perhaps, more effective. Historically the track record in terms of effectiveness, from the Mountain top, hasn’t been great.

    Bravo to Scott for having the courage & tenacity & compassion to climb the mountain, rock by rock, if need be, for others.

  2. I hope Scott is feeling alright health-wise.
    He looked kind of sick on the video.
    Loved reading several of his books on Kindle.

  3. I found this interview very helpful and calming. His method of self-inquiry seemed very real and assessible without a lot of non-duality “speak” which can be too esoteric at times. Especially for those of us new to the this. I plan to visit his website and read his book. Thanks Rick and Scott!

  4. Now I´ve listened to the interview twice and watched it once. I think Scott are a wonderful, down to earth, humble and pure hearted guy, and have a truly helpful way of taking one through inquiry. I just want to thank both Rick and Scott for a really great interview and all the service you both are doing in such a lovely and loving way.
    And I agree with Brenda, so calming. No need to be anything.

  5. I have been watching Scott’s youtube videos today. I am experiencing a resonance and understanding like I’ve not had before….ever. There is so much knowledge he has to share that cannot be expressed or does not come across in the interview. He is helping me to “grok” it.

  6. *wonders if the continuing observation of/looking for the body-embedded “story” (i.e. “I’m a loser”)… re-creates the story*

    If there’s any truth to the proposition that observation is creation, that is.

  7. Probably one of the best interviews I’ve seen here yet, thanks to both of you. Very practical stuff, especially for when someone is feeling “stuck”.

    And to Greese who said Scott looked kind of sick in the video, I’ve noticed that webcams make most folks look like hell.

  8. Some excerpts from Scott’s recent writings titled “After the Fall (What Happens After an Awakening Experience?)”, some great insights into common misconceptions by seekers and teachers, and even his own personal sharings of his faults.

    full article here:

    “The road to freedom is often bumpy, confusing, and filled with doubts, shadows, and old stories of deficiency, “I’m not good enough” or “I’m weak” or “I’m unlovable.” Somehow the momentum of this old way of being in the world wants to stick around, almost as if it is hanging on for dear life.

    And teachers aren’t immune from it either. I’ve seen in myself and virtually every other teacher things like competition, jealousy, shadows, fundamentalism, control, and at the more extreme end greed, abuse, and even cult-like behavior.

    In my view, it all comes from this desire to say, “I’ve arrived” way too soon, simply because an event happened. It’s often a cultural thing. For example, if one follows a teacher who seems to sit in silence with a content, peaceful calmness or glowing smile, it gives the impression that there is such thing as “arrival,” like an end point where one never suffers again or experiences emotional disturbance.”

    “Watch for selective memory

    Once there is a recognition that this moment is all there is, or some similar insight, it can be easy to assume that all the inquiry, methods, meetings you attended, and books you read had absolutely nothing to do with that. It can feel like all of that is some faint memory. It’s then tempting to want to tell everyone else who is doing inquiry, engaging in methods, and attending meetings and reading books to “STOP, JUST STOP.” But could you just stop? If you could have, you would have and all those inquiries, methods, meetings and books would not have been necessary. There is a whole debate happening around whether methods are helpful or not. Why not simplify it down to this: methods seem to work for some and not for others. That takes the debate right out of it. It sucks for the ego when it can’t be right anymore. Can any of us know what is best for another? If you begin teaching or just helping a friend and you say, “All there is, is liberation, there’s nowhere to go, nothing to do, and no one to do it,” apparently there WAS something to do i.e., listen to your words or attend your meeting. If there were truly nothing to do and nowhere to go, no one would show up and you would not need to utter a single word about “what is” or “liberation.” ”
    “Avoid denying relativity

    First of all, how can you deny relativity and how would you actually do this? When you speak or think, those thoughts divide reality up into parts. It doesn’t matter whether the thoughts are really profound or really dumb. They are thoughts. The very act of denying relativity is a thought. Pretending to be beyond relativity is a relative thought that divides life into Absolute and relative. This writing is a relative viewpoint, and not objectively true. It won’t even resonate with every reader. The suffering comes from believing that your thoughts are representing a true, accurate, and objective picture of reality. That’s the rub. Once you begin seeing that you aren’t thinking objectively, relativity is fun, like a play. Transcending relativity is only important when you see relativity as a problem. And of course that problem is created through thinking, which is relative. ”
    “Avoid the Belief that all concepts are false

    That, itself, is a concept. If you look, it is not that concepts are the issue, it’s that there is a sense of self that grasps after them. When there is no more grasping, thought is seen to be beautiful and very much a part of human experience. Like everything else, it is welcomed, and not made into some enemy that needs to be eradicated. Thoughts may quiet naturally, but that’s just because one loses interest in one’s story, drama and fixed conceptions of reality and even one’s story of being awakened from the story, the drama, and all fixed conceptions of reality. What’s left? …The capacity to express and think or not, whatever arises. Any way you slice it, everything we say is a concept, including concepts about silence or non-conceptuality, and even the concepts that try to eradicate other concepts.”
    “Be Transparent (tell on yourself at all costs)

    Whether you begin teaching or helping others or not, the tendency after the fall is to be blind to the movements of self that are still operating. And the tendency, even when you see them, is to downplay them and only speak of the plush bliss or infinite peace or beyondness or radical freedom that you have come to know.

    Tell on yourself at all costs. Allow me to tell on myself here. After the fall, I still experienced a subtle sense of “i’m unlovable” that was virtually completely absent when I would look for it. It showed up instead in relationship, wanting to be included, not liking criticism, etc. Yes, yes, yes, by allowing all those emotions to be there as they are, and even inquiring into that sense of self, tons of stuff has fallen away. But as I sit here writing this, I can see no benefit in making some claim that I have transcended all of that, except for maybe some need for you to love me. Do you see the BS in claiming awakening? I also experienced many shadows. I have also dealt with a subtle sense of seeking to be rid of chronic pain. ”
    “Avoid extreme views

    If you find yourself uttering any opposites as if one is true and the other is not, let that be an alarm bell that lets you know you are still possibly holding onto beliefs about the experience of awakening, still trying to land somewhere. As Buddha said, “Don’t be attached to conceptions of self or no self.” Don’t be attached to your ideas about awakening. They are YOUR ideas, that’s all. This includes all opposites.”
    “Don’t confuse traits that are personal to you with impersonal Oneness or some other transcendent notion.

    This is an easy one. If you are still acting like an a**hole, don’t claim that trait is what naturally shows up when one awakens. And if you are still people pleasing in order to get people to like you, don’t claim that this trait is what naturally shows up when one awakens. Chances are, these patterns have been with you all your life. It’s about you, not Oneness.”

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