383. Jeffery Martin

Dr. Jeffery MartinDr. Jeffery A. Martin is a founder of the Transformative Technology space, and a social scientist who researches personal transformation and the states of greatest human well-being. He’s spent the last decade conducting the largest international study on persistent non-symbolic experience (PNSE), which includes the types of consciousness commonly known as: enlightenment, nonduality, the peace the passeth understanding, transcendental consciousness, unitive experience, and hundreds of others. More recently, he has used this research to make systems available to help people obtain profound psychological benefits in  a rapid, secular, reliable, and safe way.

His research began with over 1,000 individuals who claimed to experience PNSE. This resulted in a reliable, cross-cultural and pan-tradition classification system for these types experience. Jeffery’s current work involves helping people use what’s been learned to make the life-changing transformation into PNSE. His most recent study achieved strong validation, with over 70% of participants reaching ongoing non-symbolic experience in less than 4 months. His interest in Transformative Technology comes from a belief that findings like his can be translated into mass consumer technologies and affect billions of lives worldwide. Since 2008 he has worked to bring together the stakeholders from academia, technology, business, finance, and public policy to create a sustainable technology space that dramatically improves human well-being.

A bestselling author and award-winning educator, Jeffery has authored, co-authored, or co-edited over 20 books and numerous other publications. His work has regularly been featured at leading academic conferences worldwide, as well as major public forums such as Deepak Chopra’s Sages and Scientists Symposiums, Wisdom 2.0, the Science and Nonduality Conference, the Asia Consciousness Festival, and TEDx. He has been covered in media as diverse as Fast Company, the South China Morning Post, and PBS’s Closer to Truth, and been an invited speaker at many leading universities including: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, University of California, University of London, Hong Kong Polytechnic University, and the National University of Singapore.

Jeffery’s academic work lies at the intersection of technology, psychology, cognitive science, neuroscience, and transformative studies. His research on non-symbolic consciousness began while he was a graduate student in Transformative Studies at CIIS and Psychology at Harvard.  He is the Founding Director of the Center or the Study of Non-Symbolic Consciousness and a Research Professor and was Director of the Transformative Technology Lab at Sofia University. In addition to these, he holds a number of additional appointments across a variety of institutions worldwide, and serves on many advisory boards.


Paper summarizing Jefferey’s work: A Continuum of Persistent Non-Symbolic Experiences in Adults


Jeffery Martin in Batgap Panel discussion at Sofia U. Part 1 | Part 2

Transcript of this interview.

Discussion of this interview in the Batgap Community Facebook Group

Interview recorded 1/22/2017.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:04:20 – Making a Life Change
  • 00:08:46 – Exploring the Path of Enlightenment
  • 00:13:43 – The Origins of Spiritual Systems and Religious Texts
  • 00:18:37 – The Importance of Matching Techniques and Experiments
  • 00:23:55 – The Relationship Between Science and Spirituality
  • 00:29:15 – Exploring the Path to Nailing It with Technology
  • 00:33:45 – The Origin of Persistent Non-Symbolic Experience
  • 00:38:03 – The Value of Different Questioners
  • 00:42:53 – Enriching Personal Experience Through Integration
  • 00:47:33 – The Practicality of Measuring Spiritual Progress
  • 00:52:14 – The Importance of Spiritual Exploration and Alignment
  • 00:57:15 – Accelerated Progress after 1996
  • 01:01:58 – Changes in the Experience of Meditation
  • 01:07:06 – Searching for Deeper Meaning
  • 01:12:03 – Shifting to the Subjective State and Physiological State
  • 01:17:14 – Progression to Location 4: Gary Webber’s Journey
  • 01:22:09 – Redefining God’s love in different locations
  • 01:26:18 – Transition into the PNSE Continuum
  • 01:31:08 – The Importance of Psychological Conditioning
  • 01:35:19 – Emotions in Location 4 and Beyond
  • 01:39:50 – Paths Beyond Location 4: Return to Emotion or Emotionless Direction
  • 01:44:27 – The Awakening of the Heart Chakra
  • 01:49:38 – Playing Basketball with World Champions
  • 00:00:00 – The Ability to Zoom In and Zoom Out
  • 01:58:43 – The Decline of Self-Referential Thoughts
  • 02:03:21 – Different Locations and States of Mind
  • 02:07:49 – The Finders Course: A Crowd-funded Experiment in Personal Transformation
  • 02:12:15 – Engineering around the Dark Night Problem
  • 02:16:40 – The Role of the Willow Group in the Finders Course
  • 02:20:49 – Wrapping up with Jeffery