098. Natalie Gray

Natalie GrayNatalie Gray is an ordinary person who spent the first 25 years of her adult life searching for meaning and answers. In her search, she looked for those answers in several places, including: trying to find a calling (as an actress, teacher and life coach), through self-help and awareness seminars, through study and initiation with various spiritual teachers and teachings and through the use of drugs. After coming to the realization that no one or no thing outside of herself was going to be able to give Natalie what she wanted, she began an intense personal and internal search for the truth. In the fall of 2010, Natalie experienced what she refers to as “…the end of seeking. I was done,” she says. “I had no more questions. I needed no more answers. What was sought had been found.”

Since then, Natalie has shared her experience and insights through her blog, and in videos on YouTube. She communicates regularly and freely with individuals who have questions or are interested in talking about nonduality. You can reach her by email.

Interview recorded 11/26/2011

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

38 thoughts on “098. Natalie Gray

  1. “yep, language condemns One to duality”

    That sounds a bit negative, snow. So I’ll ask:

    feel condemned by your use of language?

    Rather ask than assume.

  2. I like Natalie’s observation, below, that the Absolute expressing itself as separate is equally valuable as the Absolute expressing itself as one.

    Extensions of this would be: confusion is equally valuable as clarity; unenlightenment is equally valuable as enlightenment; depression is equally valuable as bliss; and, darkness is equally valuable as light.


  3. I wonder why so many truth seekers are afraid of duality. I just read one of the posts about being ‘condemned’ to duality. Like it’s some kind of dungeon. Hey I say embrace duality. Perhaps we’ve been gifted with the experience of duality for a reason. I know there is an absolute presence (IT) that is experiencing the universe through us and all creation. That’s the way IT wants it evidently (or it wouldn’t have created creation that way). Perhaps IT wants to experience the boundaries of duality. I know this won’t be a popular notion on this vlog and I’ll soon read posts with sophisticated Neo-Advaita language. That’s cool. 😉

  4. “Indeed, we are infinite Beings, whether defined as individual body-minds, or Cosmic Consciousness, it matters not”

    I guess it also matters not if we believe that we are infinite beings as well.

    Or, it matters not what we believe.

  5. “it’s the belief in separation and boundaries that is problematic, and seemingly dysfunctional”

    At the risk of appearing to be beating on a dead horse… not necessarily so.

    Beliefs are a rarely intrinsically problematic; including the one you cite, snow.

    What becomes potentially problematic is our IDENTIFICATION with them.

    Regardless of what that belief may be. Separateness, oneness, the absolute, the relative, et al.

    Identification with a belief solidifies the sense of the ego, and provides a strongly egocentric view of the world.

    All beliefs are relatively harmless. Our identification with them is another matter.

  6. Speaking only from my practice of mediation, thoughts appear and dis-appear… like clouds across a blue sky.

    No thought appears with an adhesive coating, causing an observer to become glued (identified) with it. It is not an attribute of any thought.

    The stickiness that is applied to a particular thought… is a function of the quality of attention that is placed on it.

    And sticky attention is dissolvable through the practice of meditation.

    Again, what belief we are placing our attention on is relatively inconsequential. The quality of your attention, on the other hand, is in inescapably consequential.

    P.S. Thoughts will always appear and dis-appear. It the nature of all forms.

  7. I don’t know, snow. And candidly speaking, I have no interest in speculating what their origin might be.

    There is functional thinking, and there is conceptual thinking. I’m inclined to participate more in the former than the latter.

    Naked observation/awareness of a thought is speculation-free.

    I encourage all to done on it.

  8. “belief in a thought, and the identification with a thought, not the same?”

    That is my experience.

  9. Interesting that you should choose the word “empirical”. It relies on observation and experience.

    March on, then. Observe, without speculation and interpretation, the thoughts that come across your screen.

    You will receive the evidence that you seek.


    adj \im-ˈpir-i-kəl\

    Definition of EMPIRICAL

    1: originating in or based on observation or experience

    2: relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory

    3: capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment

  10. Natalie said that her awakening occurred after Richard asked her three questions. What were those three questions?

  11. Im curious as to the 3 questions she was asked as she eluded to earlier in the interview that caused her shift…wonderful interview love your work rick, i litterally check your website daily for updates

  12. @Peter: “Live interviews… where viewers are invited to call in and ask their questions or offer their comments… is my preferred entree.”

    I could experiment with that. Richard Miller does it, but it’s usually pretty chaotic. Half the time is spent with technical glitches. Another thing he’s doing these days is interviewing two people at once, and letting them interact. Haven’t listened to any of those yet, but I’ll check out that possibility.

  13. @Marty K. Your point about me talking too much is well-taken. Sometimes, I’m in a deeper, more intuitive state, and the interview flows. There seems to be the right balance. Other times I get jazzed by the energy and become too talkative. Some professional interviewers do talk a lot, and I find it annoying (e.g., Piers Morgan). Larry King’s philosophy was “If I’m talking, I’m not learning anything”, and he was good at sticking to that. Keep in mind that folks like that, and Terri Gross, do this full time, and so have more preparation time. They also have staff members who help them. I work full time and pretty much have to wing it. But still, by my own admission, I should talk less. I was just with Amma in Michigan, and a woman who has listened to all of the interviews introduced herself and with great kindness and appreciation, gave me the same feedback. So I have no defense. It’s probably my most important area for improvement, and I promise to work on it. Thanks for the feedback.

  14. @Touvino. I agree with you, which is why I’m always prodding guests about what further progress they have undergone or see themselves undergoing. I’m of the opinion that the range of human evolution is vast, and that those who think they are finished after having had some awakening, however profound, are in the big scheme of things, just getting started.

  15. I have a genuine question I would like to hear comments on,..this is not only related to this interview but when she mentions, like so many others, that nothing really changes..an goes on to say she still eats meat and so on…I wonder…what is truly the difference between that and another “person” “waking up” but still are enjoying child porn or similar things? Isn’t the realisation of the divine nature of us all also very intimately connected to REAL change from being a part of violence in different forms living a more peaceful life? In my reality, change is emediate in the moment one awakens…when you really see, how can you not change, even the seemingly smallest habits if it’s creating so much suffering for other creatures??

    with love

  16. Amma ~ “Boredom occurs only when there is no love”

    just returned from 5 days in Amma’s presence… inspirational, challenging, insightful etc… definitely not boring…

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