593. Ameeta Kaul

Ameeta KaulAmeeta was born and raised in Mumbai India and recalls two predominant family themes which influenced her formative years: intellectual curiosity and devotion to God. She was educated and conditioned to aspire to conventional success, which pursuit dominated the first three decades of her life.

She consciously experienced the first stirrings of her deepest yearning following the cancer diagnosis and subsequent death of her father in 1999. Questions opened up in her like “What is life?”, “What is death?”, and “What is going on?”.

From then on, Life orchestrated a series of events and experiences which placed her and nurtured her, on an overt spiritual journey. The major influences along the way were Ken Wilber, Byron Katie, and Adyashanti. It was with Adya that she finally found what she was looking for, in terms of his spiritual guidance which has always resonated in her being, in terms of his living example which continues to inspire her, and most especially in terms of what those two brought alive and online within her.

What she now sees clearly is that it was the Heart Sutra teaching of Emptiness is Form and Form is Emptiness, which is the meta-story of her life and existence.

In 2017 she received her Soul name of Moving Mountain in Taos. And this opened a new facet on her journey, where she experienced deep communion with Nature and a tangible connection with Goddess.

Ameeta’s path has been gradual and studded with many life-altering realizations, which illuminated her self-knowledge, and which continue to translate into how she lives and relates in the world. She likes to say she is eternally a work-in-progress.

Over the years she has been sharing her experience with small groups and coaching spiritual seekers one on one. Now she is called to share her message more broadly through Moving Mountain Academy.

Main points discussed:

  • Ameeta’s background and spiritual path, including her irresistible shift from businesswoman to spiritual seeker.
  • Ken Wilber’s influence in reconciling the battle between her spiritual and intellectual lives.
  • Adyashanti’s influence.
  • Healthy and unhealthy teacher/student devotional relationships.
  • Primordial fear and its falling away.
  • Having a teacher ‘carry the present being awareness’ until one is ready to hold it for oneself.
  • Teachers are ‘custodians of what the student has not yet recognized’.
  • Ameeta’s relationship with Taos mountain and how it helped her recognize the spiritual progress she had made.
  • Embodying what had been realized.
  • The underlying direction of Ameeta’s journey: form is emptiness, emptiness is form.
  • Different paths enrich one other and contribute to the whole.
  • We “stand on the shoulders” of past spiritual pioneers.
  • The value of ancient traditions and innovative modern ones.
  • Spirituality vis-à-vis formal religious systems.
  • Direct vs. progressive paths.
  • Fear of life and embodiment.
  • Individuals are more powerful than they realize, and choices more consequential.
  • The significance of spirituality in dealing with the world’s problems.
  • Listening to opposing viewpoints is a way to test one’s realization.
  • Love and empathy for humanity.
  • The importance of closeness to nature. The universe is talking to us.
  • A fundamental shift in consciousness is happening now in the world, without which, attempting to solve problems on the level of symptoms would fail.
  • Presenting spirituality in ordinary language.
  • Depression, anxiety, addiction, etc. are cries for help. People know there’s something deeper and are dissatisfied with surface values.
  • Ameeta’s program to help people experience that there is something much vaster than the thinking mind.
  • The mind-body system is a portal to unboundedness.
  • Including but transcending rationality.
  • Understanding can help us recognize previously unrecognized experiential shifts.
  • The importance of and distinction between knowledge and experience.
  • The correlation (or lack of it) between health and spiritual development.
  • Using ‘free will’ to align with life’s flow.
  • The relationship between science and spirituality.
  • Integration of our boundless essential nature with the boundaries of individual life.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded April 3, 2021

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584. Helané Wahbeh

Helane WahbehHelané Wahbeh is the Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and an adjunct assistant professor in the Department of Neurology at Oregon Health & Science University. Dr. Wahbeh is clinically trained as a naturopathic physician and research trained with a Master of Clinical Research and two post-doctoral research fellowships. She has published on and spoken internationally about her studies on complementary and alternative medicine, mind-body medicine, stress, and posttraumatic stress disorder and their relationships to physiology, health, and healing. Her current research interests include healing stress and trauma, examining mechanisms of mind-body medicine, and rigorously studying extended human capacities. Dr. Wahbeh’s extensive meditation training includes the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Teacher Training by Jon Kabat-Zinn, a four-year Meditation Teacher Training with CoreLight, and a 19-year regular meditation practice.



Topics discussed:

  • A broad definition of channeling.
  • Do psychic and similar abilities run in families? Nature vs. nurture.
  • Does the utilization of “junk” or non-coding DNA result in the unfoldment of abilities such as channeling?
  • Helping people find their Noetic Signature.
  • Everybody has the capacity to channel and many have done so without knowing it.
  • We are undergoing a paradigm shift. Abundant evidence challenges the materialist worldview and is shifting the predominant paradigm to an understanding that consciousness extends beyond the brain. This is important because it better explains our reality.
  • The implication of non-local consciousness is that we are all connected and part of a greater whole. This understanding radically changes our behavior and our influence on the world.
  • The influence of major events on collective consciousness as detected by random number generators (RNG’s).
  • The ancient history of channeling. The respect traditional cultures had for channelers (shamans, medicine men, etc.)
  • Degrees of authenticity among channelers and degrees of positivity and usefulness among the entities they channel.
  • Looking to external sources for wisdom vs. looking within.
  • The importance of discernment.
  • Whether subjective, spiritual experiences can be studied as scientifically as the physical phenomena hard sciences study.
  • The currently existing tools of material science are unable to evaluate subtle realities.
  • IONS is developing new ways to measure these realities using the scientific method.
  • Plans to study the legitimacy of out of body experiences and perception of subtle beings.
  • Whether great artistic and scientific achievements are sometimes channeled.
  • People knowing or doing things far beyond what their education and training should have made possible.
  • The capabilities of autistic savants.
  • Higher intelligences interfacing with humanity to transmit wisdom.
  • Could major shifts in collective consciousness (Nazism, QAnon) be mass channelings of powerful negative entities?
  • The question of evil.
  • Can Artificial Intelligence become conscious?
  • Could anxiety or mental health issues result from involuntary ‘channeling’ of negative influences?
  • Conspiracy theories. Striking a balance between closed-mindedness and willingness to consider unconventional possibilities.
  • Those committed to mainstream thinking, such as in medicine, often refuse to consider alternative ideas, such as naturopathic medicine.
  • We need to eschew black and white, dogmatic thinking and be more open-minded, curious, and inquisitive.
  • Being able to face uncertainty and discomfort without taking refuge in false certainty.
  • Does greater spiritual maturity enable one to channel more evolved intelligences?
  • Helané’s personal channeling experiences.
  • Potential pitfalls of channeling. Can it cause health problems? Some teachers and traditions discourage it.
  • Helané discusses how to participate in her work.

Interview recorded January 24, 2021

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567. Terrence Stephens

Terrence StephensTerrence is an Australian born teacher and guide of Non-Duality. Like us all, Terrence had his own personal back ‘story’ (a ‘me’) which included sexual abuse as a child, living in a dysfunctional and broken family followed by drug addiction, divorce, depression, and anxiety with suicidal thoughts. He has also been a student and chief instructor in the art of Kung Fu for most of his life, a professional singer-songwriter-musician, and has also run several successful companies as a director.

During his journey, he consulted various psychologists and therapists and pursued a variety of spiritual paths and self-help groups.

Nothing seemed to relieve the deep-seated experience of separation and isolation. Then one day in 1986 he chanced to meet Sailor Bob Adamson who had settled in Melbourne following his 12 months with Nisargadatta Maharaj in Bombay.

Here, Terrence gained an intellectual understanding of Non-Duality. However, it was many years later that his sense of self (me) finally collapsed.

What resulted was no more searching, no wanting, and no desires, and a state of being carefree. It was in this state of collapse that his true nature was revealed; awakening from the dreamed fictitious personal character.

Since then Terrence has been pointing the way. Profoundly direct and yet delivered with compassion, warmth, and fun!

Website: terrencestephens.com.au

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded September 5, 2020.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.