619. Lucy Grace

Lucy GraceLucy was raised in a low socioeconomic household and neighborhood, by a young single mother in New Zealand in the early 1980s.

The lack of resources available in childhood resulted in a shrinking of her outer world to what she thought of –  years later – as a kind of welfare-child ashram. Within the home, and outside of it, there were few distractions or ability to go anywhere else, and significant trauma – all forcing her to go within to what she thought of as “the deep stillness and light inside” to rest, find nourishment, solace, and strength.

At 19 she experienced her first shift, seeing through the personality, and subtle perceptions revealing themselves.

She never thought much of it, there had already been so much light inside, and she was so thrilled to be in the world finally so she simply went on with living.

After a brief stint in television journalism, Lucy spent 15 years in Europe and New Zealand working for international humanitarian aid agencies.

On return to NZ at age 31, she suddenly became extremely ill.  For six months, she was mostly bedridden. Doctors, both natural and traditional, could not find the source of the illness.

Over the next few years, she had to work to earn an income but there was no strength for much else. The pain in her body was ever-present, and the fear of not knowing if this was her life forever now, was sometimes crippling.

She was forced to exist in a kind of in-between world again – of much aloneness and silence, aside from work.

After a few years of significant illness, she recovered strength enough to live a semi-normal life. But any time she tried to do too much, she was knocked back into illness.

By 35 she was in a leadership role at a non-profit, married, with a baby on the way, just surviving day-to-day with the pressure on her physical body.

On becoming a mother, she was plunged into a level of blackness that was completely shocking and previously unknown.

For more than two years she descended into complete separation and couldn’t hear the guidance that had always accompanied her in her life. For the first time ever she couldn’t feel God.

In 2018, after more than two years of immense struggle, an unexplainable and absolute surrender took place within, in a moment, as her two-year-old cried and reached for her.

Within two months she had left the career she loved to rest in what she thought of as silence. For around a year and a half, she couldn’t do much else.

Lucy had never been exposed to spirituality, nor did she know anything about its concepts or traditions. She thought meditation was for “those hippy people.”

Because there had been no conscious spiritual search, she had no context for what was happening. Often it was so beautiful and joyful – she didn’t need to know. There was an innate sense of trust and recognition that went beyond what needed to be seen or understood with the mind.

When the need to understand did arise – some online searches helped a little, but often it all felt overwhelming, and she preferred sitting in silence to hear from within. Guidance and teaching were always present and given through hearing and images. Despite this, when particularly strange things would occur the need for the mind to understand would return.

One night in 2019, before sleep, in heartfelt prayer she asked for help to cut through all the online noise and finally really grasp what was going on. There was a felt sense of need for community.

As she was awakening in the morning, she heard the words “Buddha at the Gas Pump”. Lucy says, “I was stumped. I had no idea what that meant, but Googled it and found BatGap. As a result, my life has changed. Over the years BatGap has supported me deeply in the process – nurturing trust and allowing everything to unfold as it wants to.”

From then until now, Lucy has been called over and over into deeper surrender. She has had further shifts and many clearings. Her career of 15 years, husband/partner of 16 years, many friends, and her home – all things she loved dearly – have fallen away.

She has never had a teacher and has read very little. She makes no claim to know anything.

It seems to her that there is nothing to know, or that can be known. There is no one way and no right way. There is only your way, to be honoured and cherished and fallen into more and more deeply in every breath.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Transcript of this interview.

Interview recorded October 9, 2021.

Second interview with Lucy

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:05:28 – Childhood Darkness and Inner Light
  • 00:10:39 – Childhood Connection with God
  • 00:15:32 – Feeling a Presence and Being Guided in Life
  • 00:20:35 – The Big Awakening of 2018
  • 00:25:21 – A Shift in Perspective and Seeing Spirits
  • 00:31:00 – Conversations with Spiritual Beings and Divine Guidance
  • 00:35:49 – Making Tough Career Choices
  • 00:40:26 – Trauma and Healing
  • 00:45:13 – Hiding and Facing the Truth
  • 00:49:33 – Lost Vibrancy and Exclusion from Life
  • 00:54:12 – The Struggle of Illness and Support from Loved Ones
  • 00:59:12 – The Feeling That Hasn’t Landed
  • 01:04:02 – The Violent Labor and Postpartum Depression
  • 01:09:09 – The Birth Experience and Motherhood Challenges
  • 01:13:02 – The Struggles of Motherhood: A Personal Story
  • 01:17:42 – A Moment of Surrender to Motherhood
  • 01:22:26 – The Language of Life Speaking to Us
  • 01:27:11 – The Meaning of Lucy’s Name
  • 01:32:16 – Understanding Unbounded Awareness and the Personality
  • 01:37:02 – Unraveling and Healing Deep Wounds
  • 01:42:21 – Surrender and Breaking Open
  • 01:47:02 – Discovering the Language of Experience
  • 01:52:13 – A Profound Experience of Love and Compassion
  • 01:57:48 – Deep Healings and Shifts in Consciousness
  • 02:02:41 – The Stern Voice and Leaving a Relationship for Spiritual Growth
  • 02:07:21 – Moving Energy through the Body
  • 02:13:13 – Taking the Courage to Be True to Myself
  • 02:18:31 – Living a Blessed Life
  • 02:24:00 – Embracing Human Nature

585. Doug Scott

Doug Scott, LCSW, works as a mental health counselor in his private practice in Dallas, Texas.  After graduating from college in 1997, he served as an international volunteer for two years in Bluefields, Nicaragua. This intense experience changed his life and he returned to the US to pursue graduate studies in clinical social work and pastoral ministry at Boston College. The nexus of spirituality and psychology have always intrigued Doug since childhood and he brings this sensibility to his counseling practice.

Doug grew up Catholic and was always drawn to the mystical lineage within this belief system.  He had experiences with Jesus, Mary, and angels at an early age. He was also secretly attracted to all things paranormal and would spend many hours reading topics such as reincarnation, ufology, OBE’s, NDE’s, ghosts, ESP, pyramids, and other areas.

One evening in 2013, he felt a presence that invited him to listen to a Buddhist chant, which came as a surprise since, at that time, he had not explored other faith systems. He was guided to listen to Om Mani Padme Hum and as the chant unfolded, Doug saw a golden dew overshadow him and activate him in a way that was new.  This marked the next chapter in Doug’s life.

A few months later, Doug was led to the Law of One material and immediately saw that it provided the clearest, most undistorted, exploration of the Perennial Philosophy that he’d ever come across. It also cast a wide net to include all of the paranormal things that intrigued him and made it possible for him to put all of the different threads in his life together in one seamless garment.

Since 2015, Doug has written a blog (cosmicchrist.net) that explores the synthesis of the Law of One material with mystical Christianity and psychology.  He sees his vocation in this lifetime as a bridge-builder between conventional concepts and cosmic metaphysics to help people who seek clarity, normalization, and validation for their own journeys.

Main points discussed:

  • Tapping into the imaginal realms, the subtle realms, through the “heart-eyes.”
  • The chakras of the Logos, God, are densities. Densities are different bandwidths of consciousness.
  • Nature of the Infinite Creator as sentient Love, or Logos.
  • Diversification within the Holographic Universe allows the Infinite Creator to experience Itself, infinitely.
  • Christianity’s need to move into the mystical and nondual
  • Consciousness is measured through degrees of knowing we are one with all, with God, and are God experiencing creation.
  • Brief descriptions of God’s chakras (“densities”).
  • Pantheism AND Panentheism are both true.
  • Third density’s veil-of-forgetting leads to development of faith, notions such as “Original Sin,” and more intense experiences for third-density humans.
  • The novel idea of “finity” against the backdrop of infinity is a way for the Infinite Creator to experience Itself.
  • Many people have incarnated to be midwives to help birth Earth’s 4th.
  • Shift into 4th density is a gradual process that includes an ever-increasing number of 3rd/4th densities double-bodied people.
  • Some of Doug’s background:
    • 1) dual master’s program at Boston College in clinical social work and pastoral ministry,
    • 2) childhood UFO encounter,
    • 3) alcohol recovery leads to greater self-insight,
    • 4) mystical experience in 2013 of Om Mani Padme Hum and the golden dew,
    • 5) Law of One material (lawofone.info)
  • Brief description of Wanderers: humble servants from 4th, 5th, or 6th density who incarnate in 3rd density to aid.
  • Jesus as a Wanderer had a unique mission known as the Jesus Event.
  • The greatest service as an awakening being is to embrace the full plenum of God disguised as our life and ordinary things. Nothing “up there” that is not fully present “down here.”
  • Triune nature of the Infinite Creator: Transcendent to all things, Incarnated as all things, Indwelling within all things.
  • Reality is “cruciform” in that every aspect of the manifested universe follows the eternal pattern of death and resurrection. The symbol of the cross or ankh is the great archetypal symbol that captures this cruciform reality.
  • Learning how to live in liminal space is the mark of spiritual and psychological maturity.
  • Offering our suffering as a sacrifice in solidarity with all others experiencing suffering is a great gesture of love and serves the collective.
  • Learning about social inequities, participating in social justice, and helping to empower marginalized groups helps to activate the fourth density.
  • Spiral Dynamics can help us understand the different levels of consciousness.
  • The Spiral is made up of seven levels in the first tier and has an overarching ethos: “transcend and exclude.” There is no innate awareness that levels exist even though each level mistrusts and even hates any other level, whether above or below.
  • The second tier of the Spiral is difficult to get to, but it is the onset of nondual consciousness. The overarching ethos is: “include and transcend.”
  • Future fourth-density living could be characterized by living from second-tier values beginning at birth.

Spiral Dynamics graphic displayed during the interview:

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Transcript of this interview.

Interview recorded January 30, 2021.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:04:02 – Connection with Spiritual Beings
  • 00:08:26 – The Higher Self and the Logos
  • 00:13:40 – The Interconnectivity of the Universe and Logos
  • 00:17:33 – Incorporating Meta-reality into Christianity
  • 00:21:44 – Understanding our Union with God and Higher Consciousness
  • 00:26:17 – Sixth Density and the Unity of Beings
  • 00:31:04 – Resolving the Cognitive Dissonance of God’s Omnipresence
  • 00:35:32 – The Veil of Forgetting and the Catalyst for Growth
  • 00:40:12 – The Veil of Forgetting and the Faculties of Faith
  • 00:44:27 – The Ubiquitous Human Form
  • 00:49:04 – Evolution and the Experience of Infinity
  • 00:53:41 – The Chaos and Pressure of Fourth Density
  • 00:57:56 – The Knowing on Some Level
  • 01:02:09 – From Alien Encounters to Alcohol Recovery
  • 01:06:24 – A Golden Dew of Energy: Exploring Spirituality
  • 01:11:08 – Wanderers and Higher Densities
  • 01:16:00 – Awakening to Spirituality and the Nature of Jesus
  • 01:20:36 – Living in the Present Moment
  • 01:24:54 – The pattern of dying and rising throughout the universe
  • 01:30:21 – The Power of Holding Liminal Space
  • 01:35:19 – Fourth Density Awakening and Social Justice
  • 01:39:16 – Tools for Living Third Density Well
  • 01:43:51 – Colors and Levels of Consciousness
  • 01:47:39 – Loyalty and Conformity in Blue Culture
  • 01:51:41 – The Birth of Social Justice Understanding
  • 01:55:55 – The Emergence of Yellow Consciousness
  • 02:00:34 – Exploring the Experience of Different Colors
  • 02:04:41 – Levels of Consciousness: From Fifth Density to Coral
  • 02:09:37 – Leo Gura and His Teachings
  • 02:13:09 – Closing remarks and upcoming interviews

533. Leanora Rose

Leanora BauarschiLeanora Rose founded Embody Truth in 2012 as a way to support an integral approach to awakening and embodiment.  The work is originally inspired through a personal awakening and culminates into a coherent and disposable map helping others navigate the terrain.  Using a direct felt sense experience a somatic meditation practice supports unification, integration, and embodiment of all phenomena (traumatic material, identity, essence, back to stillness).

Leanora Rose provides one-on-one sessions,  for those awakening as well as online group programs for ongoing practice, learning, and support.

Born in Africa she has lived in seven countries, including London, and California.  A life of contrasts, from farm girl to corporate America, a variety of careers, from IT to cottage industry within a land-based, permaculture project in New Zealand for 25 years.  She currently resides in Ubud, Bali.

Interview recorded January 17, 2020

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Transcript of this interview

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:05:07 – A Prayer for a Simple Life Close to Nature
  • 00:10:05 – The balancing act of ego and divinity
  • 00:15:08 – Trapped in Obsession and Selfishness
  • 00:19:54 – Balancing Two Nervous Systems and Breathing Techniques for Silence
  • 00:24:32 – The Paradox of Being and Embodiment
  • 00:29:32 – The Paradox of Infinite Discovery
  • 00:34:28 – Healing Trauma and Mastering Vulnerability
  • 00:39:06 – Riding the Edge of the Comfort Zone
  • 00:43:38 – The Subjectivity of Psychedelic Experiences
  • 00:48:18 – Exploring Trauma and Meditation
  • 00:52:59 – Reaching Towards Resolution
  • 00:58:14 – Traumatized People and Service Dogs
  • 01:02:11 – Mastery over Empathy
  • 01:06:44 – Expanding Perception and Resolving Problems
  • 01:10:39 – Finding Balance between the Numinous and Emotions
  • 01:15:11 – Challenging Situations and the Nervous System
  • 01:18:30 – The Intelligence of the Gut
  • 01:22:29 – Guided by the Soul
  • 01:26:23 – Observations on Awakening and Polarization
  • 01:29:51 – A Global Awakening and the Power of Love in Action
  • 01:33:29 – The Power of Inner Silence and Weathering the Storm
  • 01:36:14 – Meeting the Storyteller and Transforming the Experience
  • 01:39:33 – The Power of Sincere Acknowledgement
  • 01:42:58 – The Power of Light and Shadow
  • 01:46:10 – Illuminating the Shadow
  • 01:49:05 – The Difference Between Mind and Body
  • 01:52:48 – The Power of Connection to True Self
  • 01:56:49 – The Journey of Discovery and Self-Healing
  • 02:00:36 – The Light Will Always Wait for You
  • 02:03:24 – Conclusion and Next Steps