488. Judy Cohen

Judy CohenJudy Cohen is a former clinical psychologist, former serial entrepreneur, former depressed, anxious, anti-depressant-taking, suicidal despairer. She used to be a seeker of Self Improvement. She used to be a Certified Facilitator of The Work of Byron Katie, and later a Certified Senior Facilitator-Trainer of the Living Inquiries. (** She’s not certified in either method anymore.)

She was desperate to feel better.

Luckily, eventually Judy came to see that the methods she was trained and certified in actually perpetuated, strengthened, the sense of self as damaged.

Several awakening experiences happened. Contrary to popular myth, they didn’t put an end to unpleasant feelings. So all that seeking, the inquiry, the desperation to shift, was for… what, then?

Judy finally realized she could give up seeking because… This. Is. It. As it is.

And what could any teacher or technique give her that wasn’t already here, that she didn’t already have?

She came to see that every experience- good, bad, happy, or sad- is an awakening.

She knew to give up seeking because there was nothing more to get. She’d had it all along.

Much more fun, this no-Judy-to-fix, nothing-to-seek existence.

Though of course she’s also still here as Judy.

Because human continues.

And paradoxically…

That’s better.

Website: irreverentmind.com

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Interview recorded January 26, 2019.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.