135. Ilona Ciunaite and Elena Nezhinsky

Ilona Ciunaite and Elena Nezhinsky are the founders of Liberation Unleashed, an international network of people dedicated to guiding people to awakening from the illusion of separation. Both Ilona and Elena have seen through the illusory nature of the apparently separate self, which is nothing more than a mental construct—a concept that when thoroughly questioned clearly reveals that there is nothing behind the word ‘me’ at all.

Ilona was born in Lithuania and now lives in the UK. She has a degree in psychology, but has never worked in the field; instead she works as a tattoo artist, running her own studio together with her husband. She is a simple and ordinary human with a mindset to focus on freedom for herself and those who find her. Her blog, “Marked, Eternal“, is a collection of articles and conversations that demonstrate how easy it is to see that there is no self when one is ready and willing to look. She has always been interested in the ‘mind’ as such and enjoyed studying the subject from different angles. Observing her own mind led to a deep understanding of how the mind works, how to overcome confusion, and free it from feedback loops. She has been a seeker like many others but had never attended a retreat or satsang until after awakening.

Elena Nezhinsky met her close friend and a senior teacher of the Gurdjieff Way in 1998, and since then began a serious investigation of the mind and feelings, and searching for the truth of being. The sudden death of her teacher brought her to a Vipassana meditation practice of mind purification, which she did diligently for 7 years in frequent silent retreats. After leaving Vipassana she found Adyashanti and spent a week in retreat with him, which made her ponder that there are other ways to awakening. In 2010 Elena woke up to the reality of “no-self” with the help of Direct Pointing. Since then she has been helping others to awaken and see the truth of anatta – no-self with the same method.

Liberation Unleashed is a rapidly expanding, international project that brings seekers together with those who have awakened and are dedicated to guiding or simply share experiences in a community that is based on honesty and love. There is no greater joy than bringing joy to other hearts and celebrating the gift of freedom.

Interview Recorded 8/18/2012

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introducing Elena and Ilona and their work in “Liberation Unleashed”
  • 00:02:54 – The Silence of the Voice in the Head
  • 00:06:20 – The Illusion of Seeking and Chaos Outside
  • 00:11:34 – The Illusion of the Self
  • 00:15:40 – Degrees of Seeing and Fullness Experiences
  • 00:19:40 – The Journey Towards Self-Realization
  • 00:23:43 – The Process of “Falling”
  • 00:27:38 – Dissipation of Fear and Attachment
  • 00:34:11 – Different Types of Meditation
  • 00:38:44 – The Illusion of Reaching Back for States
  • 00:42:50 – Crossing the Gate of Self
  • 00:45:49 – Working with Beliefs and Identifications
  • 00:49:45 – Experiencing the Illusion of Self
  • 00:55:16 – The Simplicity of Awakening and Language Barriers
  • 00:59:38 – The Complete Package of Embodied Realization
  • 01:03:10 – Sensations in the Body
  • 01:07:33 – The Purpose of the Useful Talk Group
  • 01:11:39 – The Existence of the World and the Tree
  • 01:13:57 – The Nature of Consciousness
  • 01:17:54 – Misinterpretation of Tony Parsons’ Words
  • 01:21:16 – The belief in a separate Self
  • 01:24:07 – Trust in the Flow of Life
  • 01:28:12 – Liberated from Illusion of the Separate Entity
  • 01:31:45 – Discussion about Bentinho’s Approach to Self-Realization
  • 01:35:24 – The Evolution of Teaching Techniques
  • 01:39:19 – Opening of the Heart
  • 01:42:16 – Words as Little Signposts
  • 01:46:00 – Using Different Approaches in Guidance
  • 01:49:38 – The Meaning of Maya and a New Application
  • 01:52:24 – Effortless Contribution and Gratitude from the Community
  • 01:56:20 – Where to find these interviews

066. Saniel Bonder & Linda Groves-Bonder, Pt. 2

Saniel Bonder is the author of Healing the Spirit/Matter Split and the founder of the Waking Down in Mutuality work. He has been a pioneer in the widespread embodiment and mutual, evolutionary exploration of awakened consciousness for over a decade.

Linda Groves-Bonder is Saniel’s full partner in their transmission and teachings and a Senior Teacher of Waking Down in Mutuality. Together they are now co-authoring a forthcoming book, The Human Sun, and founding Human Sun University.

Saniel and Linda’s sites:

Recorded 4/23/2011.

Part 1 of this interview, recorded a week earlier.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Discussion on the Continuation of Ego After Enlightenment
  • 00:04:17 – The Awakening Process and the Extinction of Ego
  • 00:08:20 – Transmission and Integration after Realization
  • 00:12:03 – The Spirit-Matter Split
  • 00:15:54 – Evolution of Ancient Traditions
  • 00:19:21 – Holding Open the Possibility
  • 00:22:55 – The Definition of Ego
  • 00:27:02 – Ramana Maharshi and the Dissolution of the Ego
  • 00:30:01 – Honoring the Soul of Loving Kindness and Forgiveness
  • 00:32:07 – Mithya: The Concept of Dependent Reality
  • 00:34:51 – The Mystery of Life’s Paradoxes
  • 00:37:56 – The Juiciness of Being Human
  • 00:40:50 – Flexibility and Malleability
  • 00:43:51 – Cultivating Awareness and Accessing the Transcendent Ground
  • 00:46:45 – Fulfillment of the Drive
  • 00:49:59 – The Intensification of Subjective Awareness
  • 00:52:42 – A White Hot Moment
  • 00:55:03 – White-Hot Fusion and Simultaneous Hugeness and Tininess
  • 00:57:59 – Stages of Awakening
  • 01:01:15 – The Second Birth Interview Process
  • 01:05:18 – Ground Awareness: Continuous and Impersonal
  • 01:09:09 – The Transition to Second Birth
  • 01:11:58 – The Importance of Confirmation and Support during Spiritual Transformation
  • 01:15:34 – The Maturing Process of Enlightenment
  • 01:19:54 – The Core Wound and Consciousness
  • 01:24:31 – The Vision for a University
  • 01:28:38 – The Purpose of the University and Empowering Individuals
  • 01:32:06 – How to Get in Touch for a Chat
  • 01:35:09 – Embracing Different Spiritual Paths
  • 01:38:29 – Gratitude and Empowerment
  • 01:41:28 – Support the Project

065. Saniel Bonder & Linda Groves-Bonder, Pt. 1

Saniel Bonder is the author of Healing the Spirit/Matter Split and the founder of the Waking Down in Mutuality work. He has been a pioneer in the widespread embodiment and mutual, evolutionary exploration of awakened consciousness for over a decade.

Linda Groves-Bonder is Saniel’s full partner in their transmission and teachings and a Senior Teacher of Waking Down in Mutuality. Together they are now co-authoring a forthcoming book, The Human Sun, and founding Human Sun University.

Saniel and Linda’s sites:

Recorded 4/17/2011.

Part 2 of this interview, recorded a week later.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction of Saniel and Linda Groves Bonder
  • 00:03:17 – A Quest for Spiritual Connection
  • 00:07:17 – A Shift in Perspective
  • 00:10:37 – The Door to a Whole Other World
  • 00:14:08 – Discovering the Teachings of a Spiritual Teacher
  • 00:18:20 – Awakening and the Awakening Process
  • 00:22:26 – The Flamethrowers and the Opening They Created
  • 00:26:48 – The Balance Between Self-Realization and Encountering Others
  • 00:31:05 – The Awakening Process
  • 00:35:15 – Integration and Awakening
  • 00:38:35 – The Importance of Independent Thinking and Freedom from Dogma
  • 00:42:29 – Questioning Catholic Beliefs
  • 00:46:12 – Questioning the Catholic Faith
  • 00:49:39 – A Journey of Exploration and Seeking
  • 00:53:49 – Connectedness with Nature and Creatures
  • 00:57:39 – Discovering Samuel Bonder
  • 01:01:43 – Finding My Ground and Strength in Being
  • 01:06:28 – Linda’s Awakening Experience
  • 01:10:16 – Awakening and the Pain of the World
  • 01:13:41 – The Subtle Washing Machine Effect
  • 01:17:34 – Awakening and Individual Capabilities
  • 01:21:34 – The Post-awakening Process and the Challenges
  • 01:25:36 – A New Developmental Model
  • 01:30:15 – The Shift towards Differentiated Self-Awareness and Dissociation
  • 01:34:48 – The Simultaneity of Consciousness and Matter Realizing Itself
  • 01:38:35 – The Neo-Advaita Perspective
  • 01:42:48 – The Emergence of a New Understanding
  • 01:46:45 – The Agreement on Waking Down into Life
  • 01:50:20 – The Importance of Guidance and Transmission in Awakening
  • 01:54:56 – Awakened Leadership and Human Sun University
  • 01:59:11 – Buddha at the Gas Pump