705. Josh Jost

From a childhood in a strict, religious Mennonite community, to leading a healing movement during his youth, to experiencing financial hardship and living in drug-filled slums, to becoming an advisor to heads of Fortune 500s and billionaires, to eventually working with one of the world’s most renowned private islands, Josh’s journey has been, unusual to say the least.

Fueled by his yearning for awakening, his story is about embracing disillusionment as the pathway to enlightenment.

Josh currently lives on the island of Tahiti with his wife and youngest son.

Summary and Transcript of this interview

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded April 20, 2024

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677. Seán ÓLaoire

Fr. Seán ÓLaoire was born in Ireland and earned a B.Sc. degree (major in Mathematics) from the National University of Ireland. Ordained a catholic priest in 1972, he spent 14 years working in Kenya. He is multi-lingual and has an M.A. and Ph.D. in Transpersonal Psychology; he is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist in private practice. He is co-founder and the Spiritual Director of a non-denominational community called “Companions on the Journey” based in Palo Alto. He is the author of five books and co-author of a sixth:

  1. “Ukweli ni Nini?” (What is truth?) – written and published in Swahili in 1983
  2. Spirits in Spacesuits – A Manual for Everyday Mystics”- published in 2003
  3. Souls on Safari” – published in 2006 – Translated into German in 2007
  4. A Sensible God” – published in 2008
  5. Why? What Your Life Is Telling You about Who You Are and Why You’re Here” – published in 2013 (with Matthew McKay, PhD and Ralph Metzner, PhD) – Translated into Korean in 2015
  6. Setting God Free: Moving Beyond the Caricature We’ve Created in Our Own Image” – published in 2021

Summary and transcript of this interview

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group

Interview recorded February 25, 2023

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump. Mythology and ‘Thin Places’ 
  • 00:06:40 – The Wisdom of Proverbs in Different Cultures
  • 00.09:00 Trying to domesticate God 
  • 00:12:16 – The Cycle of Knowledge and Ignorance
  • 00:17:39 – The Disadvantages of Incarnation
  • 00.23:20 Transformation of Consciousness 
  • 00:23:46 – Ineffective Structures and People’s Transformation
  • 00:29:20 – The Rural Electrification Scheme in Ireland
  • 00:34:51 – The Invitation to Self-Transcendence
  • 00:40:08 – The Complexity of Existence
  • 00.41:15 Karma and Pre-conception Contracts 
  • 00:45:44 – Pulling Life Over the Cliff
  • 00:51:22 – The Purpose of Incarnations
  • 00:56:54 – Understanding Karma and Destiny
  • 01:00:45 The Science of Spirituality 
  • 01:02:47 – Reincarnation in Christianity
  • 01:08:15 – The Three Axes of Spiritual Awareness and Metrics in Spirituality
  • 01:14:12 – The Constraints of the Scientific Method
  • 01:20:35 – The merge of science and spirituality
  • 01:26:15 The Global Awakening 
  • 01:26:24 – Awakening to Powerful Spiritual Experiences
  • 01:31:56 – Confrontation and the 80:20 Rule in Spiritual Teachings
  • 01:37:49 – The Types of Civilizations and Our Current State
  • 01:43:41 – The Role of Healing Modalities in Personal Growth
  • 01:43:54 Healing Trauma 
  • 01:49:43 – The End of Reincarnation?
  • 01:55:22 – Separating from Narcissists
  • 01:56:34 The Trifurcation of Homo Sapiens Sapiens
  • 02:00:41 – Forming Community and Overcoming Superiority
  • 02:06:17 – The Unity of All Life
  • 02:12:18 – Communicating with Animals

604. Ilia Delio

Ilia Delio, OSF holds the Josephine C. Connelly Chair in Christian Theology at Villanova University. Her area of research is Science and Religion with interests in artificial intelligence, evolution, quantum physics, and the import of these for Christian doctrine and life. She holds a doctorate in Pharmacology from Rutgers University, Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences, and a doctorate in Historical Theology from Fordham University. She is the author of over twenty books including Making All things New (Catholicity in an Evolving Universe), a finalist for the 2019 Michael Ramsey Prize and The Unbearable Wholeness of Being: God, Evolution, and the Power of Love, for which she won the 2014 Silver Nautilus Book Award and a 2014 Catholic Press Association Book Award in Faith and Science. Her latest book is Re-Enchanting the Earth: Why AI Needs Religion. She is the founder of the Center for Christogenesis, an online educational resource for promoting the vision of Teilhard de Chardin and, more broadly, the integration of science and religion in the 21st century.

Some of the main points discussed in this conversation.

  • What is God?
  • As we enter the mystery of God, language fails us, and the mystery grasps us all the more.
  • The mystery of God is the same mystery at the heart of physics.
  • There’s nothing outside the existence of God. God is existence itself.
  • God’s love is so infinite that there is nothing in this creation that’s un-loveable or unloved by God.
  • This is a finite creation. Wherever there are boundaries there is the possibility of suffering.  Suffering and death are part of the life cycle.
  • Reincarnation discussion. Are multiple incarnations sequential or simultaneous?
  • A deep experience of the mystery of God supports the freedom to speculate, dream, and imagine.
  • Science and religion need one another in order to fully understand the world.
  • The necessity and drawbacks of specialization and the complexification of knowledge.
  • If our hearts are grounded in holy mystery we become more fully God-like in our actions.
  • Humanity won’t have a sustainable future unless we renew the deeper dimension in our lives.
  • Cyborgs and transhumanism
  • The mutually beneficial relationship between spiritual and material technologies.
  • A profound spiritual transformation is underway.
  • Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s idea of a new religion of the earth, retaining the wisdom of the past but creating something new for the future.
  • Wherever in the universe intelligent life exists, it will search for ultimate intelligence.
  • Intelligent design
  • The core energy of the universe – God – is love. The force that creates stars is the same force that manifests as love in humans.
  • Love is the highest knowledge. In the evening of life, we shall be judged on love alone.
  • Making love the lens through which we see all of life.
  • “The more I am in union with another, the more I am in touch with myself because it’s the core of myself that’s in union.”
  • What might the world be like if everyone were enlightened?

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Summary and Transcript of this interview.

Interview recorded June 26, 2021.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:03:18 – The Scope of Topics to Be Discussed
  • 00:05:49 – The Name of God and Absolute Mystery
  • 00:08:11 – The Ineffable Mystery of God
  • 00:11:27 – The Nature of Consciousness and God
  • 00:14:50 – God as the Consciousness of Consciousness
  • 00:18:04 – The Trinity and God’s Creative Potential
  • 00:21:45 – Realizing our Divine Potential
  • 00:25:43 – The Mystery of Matter and God’s Creative Activity
  • 00:29:12 – Matter and Divine Activity
  • 00:35:08 – The Beauty of Life and the Wholeness of Being
  • 00:39:32 – Quantum Entanglement and Multiple Realms of Existence
  • 00:44:23 – The Unity of Science and Religion
  • 00:48:26 – The Tethering of Religion and Spirituality
  • 00:53:05 – The Fragmentation of Knowledge and the Necessity for Spiritual Fulfillment
  • 00:58:00 – Gods and Robots: The Intersection of Spirituality and Technology
  • 01:01:27 – The Unhelpful Dynamic
  • 01:08:20 – A New Type of Science in the Future
  • 01:15:04 – The Allure of Transhumanism
  • 01:18:40 – The Mixed Blessing of Technologies
  • 01:21:53 – Technology and Spirituality
  • 01:25:47 – The Technology of Spirituality
  • 01:28:35 – A New Type of Collective Consciousness
  • 01:32:30 – Creating a New Type of Religious Sensibility
  • 01:36:13 – The Existence of Intelligent Life on Other Planets
  • 01:40:10 – Rethinking Intelligent Design
  • 01:47:35 – The Ultimate Reality of Love
  • 01:53:28 – The Happiness Index and the Consciousness of Shared Being
  • 01:56:58 – Imagining a World of Love
  • 01:59:49 – The Health of the Planet