619. Lucy Grace

Lucy GraceLucy was raised in a low socioeconomic household and neighborhood, by a young single mother in New Zealand in the early 1980s.

The lack of resources available in childhood resulted in a shrinking of her outer world to what she thought of –  years later – as a kind of welfare-child ashram. Within the home, and outside of it, there were few distractions or ability to go anywhere else, and significant trauma – all forcing her to go within to what she thought of as “the deep stillness and light inside” to rest, find nourishment, solace, and strength.

At 19 she experienced her first shift, seeing through the personality, and subtle perceptions revealing themselves.

She never thought much of it, there had already been so much light inside, and she was so thrilled to be in the world finally so she simply went on with living.

After a brief stint in television journalism, Lucy spent 15 years in Europe and New Zealand working for international humanitarian aid agencies.

On return to NZ at age 31, she suddenly became extremely ill.  For six months, she was mostly bedridden. Doctors, both natural and traditional, could not find the source of the illness.

Over the next few years, she had to work to earn an income but there was no strength for much else. The pain in her body was ever-present, and the fear of not knowing if this was her life forever now, was sometimes crippling.

She was forced to exist in a kind of in-between world again – of much aloneness and silence, aside from work.

After a few years of significant illness, she recovered strength enough to live a semi-normal life. But any time she tried to do too much, she was knocked back into illness.

By 35 she was in a leadership role at a non-profit, married, with a baby on the way, just surviving day-to-day with the pressure on her physical body.

On becoming a mother, she was plunged into a level of blackness that was completely shocking and previously unknown.

For more than two years she descended into complete separation and couldn’t hear the guidance that had always accompanied her in her life. For the first time ever she couldn’t feel God.

In 2018, after more than two years of immense struggle, an unexplainable and absolute surrender took place within, in a moment, as her two-year-old cried and reached for her.

Within two months she had left the career she loved to rest in what she thought of as silence. For around a year and a half, she couldn’t do much else.

Lucy had never been exposed to spirituality, nor did she know anything about its concepts or traditions. She thought meditation was for “those hippy people.”

Because there had been no conscious spiritual search, she had no context for what was happening. Often it was so beautiful and joyful – she didn’t need to know. There was an innate sense of trust and recognition that went beyond what needed to be seen or understood with the mind.

When the need to understand did arise – some online searches helped a little, but often it all felt overwhelming, and she preferred sitting in silence to hear from within. Guidance and teaching were always present and given through hearing and images. Despite this, when particularly strange things would occur the need for the mind to understand would return.

One night in 2019, before sleep, in heartfelt prayer she asked for help to cut through all the online noise and finally really grasp what was going on. There was a felt sense of need for community.

As she was awakening in the morning, she heard the words “Buddha at the Gas Pump”. Lucy says, “I was stumped. I had no idea what that meant, but Googled it and found BatGap. As a result, my life has changed. Over the years BatGap has supported me deeply in the process – nurturing trust and allowing everything to unfold as it wants to.”

From then until now, Lucy has been called over and over into deeper surrender. She has had further shifts and many clearings. Her career of 15 years, husband/partner of 16 years, many friends, and her home – all things she loved dearly – have fallen away.

She has never had a teacher and has read very little. She is not selling anything and makes no claim to know anything.

It seems to her that there is nothing to know, or that can be known. There is no one way and no right way. There is only your way, to be honoured and cherished and fallen into more and more deeply in every breath.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded October 9, 2021.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

615. Jeff Vander Clute

Jeff Vander CluteJeff Vander Clute is a friend for the spiritual journey and an adviser to love-based businesses and organizations. He is committed to realizing a healed and transformed world filled with people, communities, and entire societies that are profoundly aligned with life.

Using the science and technology of awakened consciousness, Jeff guides people through the complexity of these times to illumined possibilities. The work creates a subtle field of loving presence that accelerates spiritual awakening and the development of advanced human abilities – in service, and in joy.

Jeff is a co-founder of Enlightening Journeys & Expeditions and Sourcing The Way, and he is a member of the Evolutionary Leaders, the Global Compassion Council of Charter for Compassion International, and the Association for Spiritual Integrity. He serves on the board of directors for Alliance for the Earth, Garden of Light, and Source of Synergy Foundation.

Website: jeffvanderclute.com

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded September 12, 2021.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

594. Lisa Rose

Lisa RoseAll I ever did was emphatically declare, “I want to know God, NOW!”  It wasn’t long before I was fast-tracked into a reality I didn’t know existed, an inner world full of extraordinary gifts and ultimately liberation of the mind.  I’d stumbled upon a pamphlet that outlines a formula to regenerate one’s human race consciousness to Divine Consciousness, like a reboot, by calling forth into one’s mind higher, more universally aligned modes of Being.  That pamphlet became my bible, my book of living, and thru contemplative practice expanded the I AM presence within, attracting that which is stable, immutable Principle into my self-consciousness.  The art of surrender as put forth by Ramana Maharshi played a huge role along the way, although at the time I had little clue who he was.

The regeneration occurred in February 2016, followed by three full years of Bliss, a state of Consciousness I am convinced is that of a newborn.  I wallowed in that cocoon, integrating the expansion that I sometimes felt might never end!!! until the desire emerged to step back out into the world.  A two-year investigation of kundalini life energy, universal consciousness, and fractal/plasma physics has continued my evolving perception and experiences.  The real fun has truly begun, my book of living has become my Book of Life!

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Books mentioned during the interview:

Main points discussed:

  • Initial awakening occurred after three years of intense contemplation and desire to know God.
  • Holographic and telepathic encounter with Ramana Maharshi.
  • Three-year blissful contemplation on the “Omniscient, infinite and eternal nature”. The bliss eclipsed human emotions such as fear and animosity.
  • The bliss subsided as the awakening became more integrated.
  • Most people don’t relate God and ‘consciousness’.
  • Shift from fear to divine love. Heart-brain coherence ended 20-year problem with heart palpitations.
  • Recognizing that consciousness is primal and not a product of the brain accelerates our evolution.
  • The importance of balancing experience and understanding.
  • Your higher self knows everything about you and knows what is best for you.
  • No such thing as coincidence.
  • ‘There is no bridge between here and here, we are all that is, we are sovereign beings.’

Six main points:

  1. Update your science. Understand the non-solid nature of physical matter.
  2. Set your Intention. “I want to know God.” “I want to know my Creator.” “I want to Awaken.” “I want to Embody only Truth.”
  3. Claim your True Identity. Recognize and assert your Divine Origin, your Universal Nature!
  4. Give in, give over, completely give way to your Creator!
  5. Focus your attention on your intention!
  6. Do not sway. Be a rock, do not roll. Unwavering.
  • The power of attention.
  • Self-healing comes from the omnipresent nature of our consciousness.
  • Discussion of the pineal gland.

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Interview recorded April 10, 2021.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.