Abdy Electriciteh Interview

Summary

Abdy describes a subtle, universal energy that people can access through awareness and that may support healing and expanded consciousness. The discussion also explores inner knowing, manifestation, recurring planetary cycles, and whether free will is real in an interconnected universe.

Questions This Interview Explores

• What is spiritual energy, and how can people become more aware of it?
• Can energy transmission support physical, emotional, or spiritual healing?
• How can we access inner knowledge without relying only on external information?
• Do humans have free will, or are events determined by a larger universal order?

Key takeaways

• Spiritual energy is universal, but people receive and express it through different capacities.
• Awareness allows a person to serve as a conduit for energy rather than owning it.
• Scientific and spiritual energies are interconnected parts of one reality.
• Inner knowledge can emerge when reliance on external information quiets down.
• What seems like personal manifestation may be recognition of events already unfolding.
• Free will may feel real while life remains embedded in a larger universal order.

Transcript

Rick: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer, and my guest today is Abdy Electriciteh. Abdy is from Iran originally. I actually spent a few months in Iran myself back in the ’70s, but that’s another story.

When I first heard about Abdy a few years ago, in light of what he does, which we’ll explain in a minute, I thought, “Hmm, he’s somebody I’d kind of like to interview in person,” but I didn’t know quite how that was going to happen. Then it just sort of fell together, and here he is in my house. So, I’m getting to do it in person, which sort of leads me to believe I should start buying lottery tickets or something.

Abdy, at an early age, realized that his realm of reality was beyond what he could share with others. As a child, his awareness of extraordinary abilities, such as putting light and sparkles on people, could only be rationalized as a dream. Did anybody ever joke around with you about Tinker Bell and Peter Pan and all that?

Abdy: Well, I didn’t share it at the time, so nobody joked.

Rick: That’s what Tinker Bell used to do. When, 30 years later, he realized those sparkles were being received by people, healing them physically, emotionally, and spiritually, he gave up his adapted reality for his childhood reality.

In 2002, he began working around the world, anchoring light and spreading his wisdom. And it’s funny, because when I first heard your name, Electriciteh, I figured, “All right, well, he kind of conveys some sort of electricity to people through this energy transmission, so that must be his spiritual name.” But that’s really your name.

Abdy: Right. I see many people assume that this is a stage name, but my grandfather had the same name.

Rick: Is that a common name in Iran?

Abdy: No. My grandfather was the pioneer of electricity in Iran, so King Reza called him Mr. Electriciteh.

Rick: Oh, okay. Well, my name is Archer, so probably my ancestors were archers. That’s how people got their names.

Abdy works with an ancient energy, which dissipates our inabilities to relate to ourself, higher self, and the universe. When we say “ancient energy,” that kind of puts an age on it, like it’s 10,000 years old or something. But is it really an energy that has a starting point, or are you talking about something more eternal?

Abdy: Well, when you go deep, there’s no time anyway. So, I’ve mentioned it that way because it’s an energy that had not been—it was unearthed for a while and had not been utilized, and now it’s back again. So, it’s not ancient like it’s an old thing; it’s ancient and pure in its original format.

Rick: Let me just probe this a little bit. So, it was unearthed for a while, then it was unavailable, and then it came back again. Now, obviously, there are certain kinds of energies that exist whether or not we’re aware of them, or whether or not we tap into them. So, for instance, nuclear energy has been there ever since the beginning of the universe, but only in the last few decades have we understood how to harness it in a certain way. Would this energy you’re referring to be similar in that way?

Abdy: Well, every energy, in a way, is similar. But generally, I don’t try to label anything. That’s one of the reasons I use “ancient,” because a lot of people say Mitra energy, Christ energy, and so many other labels. So, I just cover that label with something mysterious—which is not quite a mystery, but many people think they’ve got everything clear and classified the way they need to know. But it’s not as simple as that.

So, actually, there are no titles for energies. It’s just the way we relate to a part of energy; we classify that part only. Scientifically, we can measure certain energies, and we label them that way. Then the ones we cannot measure scientifically, some spiritual people name differently. But they’re all interrelated; they’re not just one thing separate from the others.

Rick: Right. Okay. So, when you say you work with an energy, because some people watching this will be familiar with what you do, but many won’t, what you actually do in working with it—is it that you channel it, transmit it, or serve as a conduit?

Abdy: Again, it’s all of it—all of the above. I don’t really do much with it. It’s just with me all the time. And that energy is with many, many people; it’s not just me. I just know that I have it, and I kind of use it.

Rick: Yeah. Well, could we say this? Right now, you and I have radio waves passing through our bodies, with all kinds of news shows and music shows and everything else, but we’re not radios, so we don’t hear the music or the news shows that these radio waves are transmitting. But if we were a radio, or if we had one here and turned it on, we’d hear those things, because that particular instrument is designed to pick up on those particular frequencies of the electromagnetic field and give us music.

So, would you say that this energy we’re talking about is something that is universal and all-pervading, and everyone is ultimately pervaded by it or connected with it, but most people are not radios in the sense that—or at least have not turned their radio on, so to speak—so as to be able to become aware of it, transmit it, or anything?

Abdy: Actually, yes. I always say that everybody is like an antenna, and the nature of your antenna is different from other people’s. The vibration that you receive and transmit is based on your antenna. And, of course, each antenna is not quite the same; it’s just that the frequencies are different. It’s like science.

So, the energy that surrounds your antenna is different from others. But also, some people—even though everybody has a certain vibration that goes through them—the majority of people have no idea.

Rick: They’re not aware of it.

Abdy: So, it’s a certain energy that is different from others, number one, because everybody has a different antenna. Number two is being aware of it.

Rick: Yeah. So, using that metaphor, some people are tuned into one channel, and some people are tuned into another channel on the radio, so to speak. As antennas, they’re picking up different frequencies of the electromagnetic field, and in this case, we’re talking about a sort of spiritual energy, consciousness, or whatever.

And you’re saying—I don’t mean to put words in your mouth, but just to make sure we’re clear on what we’re saying—you’re saying that everyone has their own gift. Your particular gift: how would you distinguish or define your particular gift from that of the average person? What they experience?

Abdy: I personally didn’t have much relationship to it. I could do certain things, and I thought everybody could. Then I realized, no, that’s what I could do. But then other people brought information, because I don’t relate to information.

Information comes when you see something, for example. The only way you can have information about it is if you can classify it mentally somewhere, so that it relates to some mental connection, like a label or whatever. But the way I relate to things is not so much through those mental labels.

So, it’s very difficult to explain what energy is or how it is, but I have an understanding, and I know what that understanding is. Then I can reason why I have this understanding, because the energy that I’m connected to runs through me.

Some people call it different things. Some people come to me and say, “Well, you know, you have Atlantean energy.” Some people come and tell me, “You have Lahorian energy.” Some people say, “Oh, you have Christ energy.” Some people say this and that. But I don’t think all of them are so different. The only difference is that each person relates to a different part of an elephant, and they call it a different thing.

Rick: Yeah, it’s a famous analogy.

Abdy: Yeah. Actually, they have an elephant in front of me, so it was so silly to say that. So, it’s not such a different thing. All of them—even electromagnetism—is a part of it. Science is a part of it. It’s not just spiritual or nonspiritual.

The term “spirituality” is a very funny term, because everything is spiritual. All of the spirituality that science can tap into is also part of spirituality. And when you call somebody spiritual, it simply means that that person is aware of that spirituality. It’s not that anybody is not.

Energetically, it’s the same way, too. Everything—what a spirit is, to me—is beyond three-dimensional understanding. And energy is beyond three-dimensional understanding. Any energy, even electromagnetic energy: we just relate to it through some ways of scientific translation.

Rick: And that’s kind of a handicap of doing an interview show like this, because we’re talking about something very subtle that has to actually be experienced, but we’re just sitting here using words. You can’t push a button and have everybody watching this suddenly have the experience. They just have to get a taste or a feeling or whatever from the conversation, and then, if they’re interested, go and have the experience themselves.

Abdy: Well, actually, that’s not quite true, because some of the people who watch this are going to tap into that energy.

Some of the people who watch this are going to tap into that energy.

Rick: Oh, okay. The conversation itself will be a catalyst for them.

Abdy: Well, the conversation, yes. It’s just how it works, but not for everybody.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: But I’ve had many TV interviews or whatever, and people got—actually, many years ago, the cameraman fell off because of that. [Laughter]

So, energy doesn’t need a medium, doesn’t need a particular way, doesn’t need me, doesn’t need anything.

Rick: It doesn’t need anything.

Abdy: But it uses every possible device to conduct itself. It could be me; it could be you; it could be the situation. So, it flows.

Purpose, evolution, and rising vibration

Rick: Do you feel like the kind of energy we’re referring to here actually has an agenda? What you said just now kind of implied that. In other words, there’s a kind of an evolutionary force or purpose that it would like to further, fulfill, or advance. And when there’s a willing participant—someone who is appreciative of it, able to tune into it, and able to help others tune into it—then we’re kind of anthropomorphizing it here, making it sound like a human being. But that energy kind of rejoices, in a way, at the opportunity to have someone be a servant or an emissary.

Abdy: Yes, but energy also works with the energy body of a person. It doesn’t take somebody’s will, appreciation, or commitment. It does what it needs to do, regardless of people’s wants, needs, or will.

Rick: Incidentally, just to jump topics for a second here, I think Abdy left his home in Toronto at about three this morning or something. First of all, when he heard that this interview was to be done, he rearranged his flight schedule and had to buy a whole other ticket, which I wish he had told me, because maybe we would have worked something out. I’d hate to see you incur the expense, but I thought that was extremely gracious of him.

Then he had to leave home very early to get here, take a couple of different planes, and drive himself down from the airport. When he arrived here, my first impression of him was that he looked fresh as a daisy. He looked like somebody who hadn’t been traveling for the past 12 hours. There’s a gentleness about the man and a good feeling about him that is quite palpable. So, not to embarrass you, but I just wanted to express that appreciation.

Abdy: Oh, I don’t get embarrassed. Thank you.

Rick: All right, we’ll continue to play with these notions. So, reading on in your bio here: “His work—Abdy’s work—is to bring about and support the transformation of humanity and the Earth to a higher consciousness.” This is kind of what I was alluding to just now about this energy having an evolutionary…

Abdy: Yes, everything has a purpose. Some we know, some we don’t. But nothing is in this universe without a purpose.

Rick: And this is carried out—this helping transform humanity and Earth to higher consciousness—by raising the vibration of people and places. He channels an energy that allows an individual to connect to their own divinity.

So, there are some interesting things in here. One is, in a larger sense, do you feel like the vibration of the planet as a whole is rising now? Many people have said that it is, and feel that it is. Do you have any comments about that?

Abdy: Yes, definitely. Well, I can have a long explanation for that, if you want to hear it.

Rick: We have time.

Abdy: Well, every 2,012 years is one cycle of time, and astrologically everything resets itself. That means the energetic possibility of here 2,012 years ago and now is exactly the same. And every seven times that—14,000-something years—is one cycle of the whole universe.

Rick: And this is based on what system?

Abdy: My system.

Rick: Oh, that you just cognized or something?

Abdy: Yeah, and it’s one cycle of the universe. And when you look at 14,000 years ago, whatever happened was that the whole universe gradually went up on its energetic course and into a higher vibration. Earth goes up with the whole universe, too. However, because of humans, we drag the energy of the Earth a little bit below or behind the whole universe. So, every 14,000 years, something happens on Earth so that it catches up to everything else.

Rick: There’s an acceleration.

Abdy: Yes, and it has happened many times. If you look at the time of the dinosaurs, and if you go 14,000 years ago, you go to Atlantean times. Or if you go 28,000 years ago, you go to Lemurian times. This has happened many times. And each time that has happened, humanity kind of eliminated itself. And this is the first time that’s happened.

Rick: You mean everybody died?

Abdy: Yeah.

Rick: Or a lot of people?

Abdy: Well, a lot of them. We had to start again, you know. Yes, of course, our history doesn’t go that far, and scientifically, anything you cannot prove doesn’t exist.

Rick: Well, not from history. We know that people didn’t all die 14,000 years ago.

Abdy: No, otherwise, if they all died, we wouldn’t start again. But if you go to Egyptian times, something happened.

Rick: So, a big shakeup every 14,000 years.

Abdy: Well, yeah. So, this is a time when we are going to end a cycle again. And it’s a cycle that is much more interesting than before, by the way.

Rick: Why?

Abdy: Because it’s a time when elimination doesn’t happen. And one reason—I mean, there are many reasons, but one of them is that so many people do so much energetic work. And each time they do some energetic work, individually or in a group or whatever, they raise the vibration of the Earth to a level where, when it comes to correction, the gap is so small that it won’t be as disastrous as before.

Everything has a purpose. Some we know, some we don’t. But nothing is in this universe without a purpose.

Rick: Even though everybody thinks it’s so bad, actually it’s not that bad. Now, you know, of course, that 14,000 years is just the snap of a finger in the span of time of the universe. It’s going to take eight billion years for the Andromeda Galaxy to merge with the Milky Way. And if we made every second 10 million years, it would still take about 15 minutes for that to happen. So, there must have been millions of these little 14,000-year cycles, if you’re talking about the whole universe.

Abdy: Well, I can relate to seven of them. I don’t know the rest.

Rick: Now, when you say that, is that something that you actually cognized in some kind of inner state? How did you come up with this? You didn’t get it from a book, right?

Abdy: No. Actually, I don’t read.

Rick: You know how to read.

Abdy: Yeah, but I haven’t read anything for 12 years.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: And in my whole life, I probably read two and a half books.

Rick: I heard you say that in an interview, and yet you said you were a top-notch student.

Abdy: Yes.

Rick: How were you a good student if you weren’t reading books?

Abdy: No, I wasn’t reading books in school. Actually, I listened. But if you had to do homework, it’s different. But reading a book for the…

Rick: Just for the honors.

Abdy: For reading a book, yeah. And one of the reasons—I didn’t know—and one of the reasons is just, every cell of your body knows everything. Every cell of anything knows everything, because every cell is in tune with the vibration of the totality of the whole universe. So, the essence of the universe is in your cell. Everything is that way.

We try to tap into knowledge or understanding or whatever through our external connection, which is through our brain. We don’t tap into those cells. And when we are conditioned that way, then we lose connection with our inner knowledge.

So, I have been lazy to read all my life. It’s not that I know these things, but many years ago I realized why. So, I’m going more within to know.

Truth, speech, and manifestation

Well, I don’t share this story with many people, actually, in public like that, but this is the first time I’m doing it. I’m going to tell this story. Many years ago, I was told that anything I say happens.

Rick: Who told you that?

Abdy: Well, I was in a situation with some psychic, and I was initiated into some stuff. I thought it was a joke, but it did happen. So, I had to watch myself. I had to watch my anger, and I had to watch a lot of things.

For a while, I thought it was a curse, because I could get upset with anybody, and I could hurt them. Anything I say—I mean, whatever. So, I had to watch myself very tightly, and I thought it was a curse.

But one day I realized, okay, if everything I say happens, that means I cannot lie. That means whatever I know must be only the truth. If I say this truth, then I start talking.

So, I never read the Bible or Torah or whatever, but I said certain things. And somebody said, “Oh, that’s in the Bible. Did you read that? It’s there.” So, many people from different parts of the world would ask, “You read that book?” And I said, “No.”

And then, over many years, the confidence has become much stronger that there is certain knowledge that I know because I say it, not because I know it.

Rick: Very interesting. I like that. There’s a lot of stories like that in the Vedic literature. For instance, there’s this book called the Srimad Bhagavatam. The way the book starts out, there’s this sage sitting in samadhi, in a deep meditative state.

Some king comes along and asks him a question, and the sage ignores him because he doesn’t even hear him—he’s in this deep state. The king gets really mad and offended, and he takes a dead snake and drapes it around the sage’s shoulders. The king doesn’t even know that’s happening.

Then, a little while later, the sage’s son comes along, and he sees that someone has committed this great insult against his father. He says, “Whoever did this will die by being bitten by a poisonous snake in one week.”

Then his father comes out of samadhi and says, “What did you say?” He says, “Well, I said this because they offended you.” The father says, “Oh my God, now this is going to have to come true, because you said it. You have that level of sattva, that level of purity, that whatever you say is going to happen.”

It turns out that the king found out about this. He said, “I deserve it. I shouldn’t have done that to the sage.” And then the whole book is this narration of a beautiful story, because the king wanted to hear it during the week before he died.

Anyway, there are many stories like that, where if someone says something, it has to happen because they’re speaking from a level that knows only truth. And so, whatever they say happens.

Abdy: Happens. But of course, after a while, I realized something else. For example, many years ago, about 12 years ago, I met my wife. Just before I met her, I was upset, and I said certain things. I called God my boss, and one of my friends said, “Why don’t you ask your boss for a partner?”

I said, “I don’t want any personal favor, but if I don’t get what I want, I’ll go on strike, and I won’t continue my tour.” Two hours later, I met my wife in Hyde Park in England.

Many people said, “Oh, so you wished it to happen, but that’s not true.” It is true, but it’s not. I said it happened. It was something that was happening anyway, and I tapped into that.

So, before, I thought anything I said happened. Then I realized, actually, there is an interrelation between manifestation and what is happening anyway. So, many people speak of what is happening, but because they say it, other people think that it happened because they said it. But it was happening anyway.

So, nothing is going to happen when it needs to happen.

Rick: It’s kind of a chicken-and-egg question.

Abdy: That’s right.

Free will and determinism

Rick: Actually, I listened to quite a few hours of other interviews and talks and things that you have done during the past week, and for some reason, there is a lot of discussion about free will and determinism, and whether we have free will. People are asking all kinds of questions about this.

It sounds like you are saying we don’t, and that things just happen in a deterministic way, but we feel like we are doing them. Go ahead and elaborate on the point.

Abdy: Well, I always flip a coin. I can do it right now for you. I don’t know if I—no, I do, I do. Flip a coin. I’m going to ask you… I don’t know which side is which. That’s the head. That’s the tail. Anyhow, what’s the possibility of this being heads?

Rick: Fifty-fifty.

Abdy: Okay. What is the possibility that this is heads?

Rick: Fifty-fifty.

Abdy: Right?

Rick: Oh, you’re right. It’s whatever it actually is. But we don’t know until we look.

Abdy: It’s 100% not heads.

Rick: Actually, that is heads.

Abdy: 100% heads. So, it’s not 50%; it was 100%.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: But also 50%.

Rick: Until we know.

Abdy: Exactly. You see, what we call possibility has nothing to do with what it is. It has to do with the possibility of our knowing the outcome. So, the possibility of our knowing the outcome is 50/50 in everything.

But what is happening is happening. It’s already happened.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: And you see, everything is tight in the universe. Everything is tight. It’s a tight universe. It’s not haphazard. The sun runs from—everything is set up in a certain way.

Rick: Yes, perfectly orchestrated.

Abdy: Exactly. Like an engine that works perfectly. In a universe like that, why do we think we should be so loose, that we can do whatever we want? In an engine, in an organism, in your body, can you have one system, like a heart, that does whatever it wants? No.

If everything is organized, which is what an organism is, you cannot have a haphazard situation. And if there is no haphazard situation, there cannot be a random possibility. That is how it is. The sun comes from the same direction every day. The Earth does what it does. The trees do what they need to do. Why do we think we can come from the right one day and the left the other day?

The reason we think that way, which is valid and serves our reality, is because we are disconnected from that harmony. We are separated, so we don’t see the connection. We don’t see that we are organized as part of that organism of the universe, or whatever you want to call it.

Because we are not connected, we can be haphazard. But the Earth, the sun, and everything else are connected, and we look at them and see that they cannot be haphazard. So, it’s our illusion that we can create whatever we want to create.

From the moment we are born, we are an energetic entity—a new one, or whatever reformat you want to call it. Energetically, you only have one possibility, and that is not up to you. It depends on the attraction and repulsion of everything else in the universe that’s bigger than you.

That’s how astrology works, by the way. For example, if I put a thousand magnets on this floor and throw one among the others, it always goes in the same direction, based on the attraction and repulsion of the others. It has nothing to do with that magnet.

You are energetic; everything is energetic. Why should we be independent of our environment? If you say you have free will, that means you are independent of your environment, which is not true.

In our reality, you have free will, but how does free will work? How do we choose? We choose based on an emotion. Some people think it’s logic, but it’s nothing logical. It’s basically an emotion or a reaction to something, whatever you want to call it.

Something happens in your environment and makes you choose. I’m not in charge of what’s happening in your environment. So, is it really your choice? You have a reaction. Your choice is only a reaction.

So, I am here sitting with you, but from the moment I was born, I was supposed to have this interview, no matter how many flights I had to change.

Everything is organized as part of that organism of the universe.

Rick: Yeah, it’s interesting. Hearing you describe it, I ponder this thought myself a lot and have discussions with people about it. Hearing you describe it right now, I have a more visceral appreciation of what you’re saying.

Abdy: But also, if you understand it, you see that everybody is in search of enlightenment and whatever. But if you put all that aside, if you really understand this, then you realize there’s no need for ego. You can’t do wrong, and you cannot be guilty of not—if you think you did wrong, you don’t have expectations of others.

All the teachings that come from many people can work if you understand this concept. But if you’re in charge, then other people are in charge. Everybody has to perform, and they all have to fulfill expectations. That wouldn’t work.

Rick: Yeah. Would it be fair to say, in summary, that the more estranged you are, the more detached you are from oneness or source or whatever, the more you might have the feeling that you’re a free agent, that you’re independent, and that you’re calling the shots and pulling the strings?

But if you’re really experientially in tune with the source or oneness, if you’re really living from that level, then there’s just a spontaneous flow in life, and you don’t feel like the doer, the actor, or the decider. You’re just along for the ride.

Abdy: Yeah, exactly. Exactly, that’s what it is. Of course, I don’t feel that way all the time. I know I have to change my flight to get here. I get involved with all those things I have to do. But on a larger scale in my life, I know I have no—I am just showing up to do whatever I have to do.

When I put food in my mouth, I chew, but I’m conditioned to do that. Basically, I know everybody’s different. The reason they’re different is not because of choices they have made; it’s because of their nature and the environment, the universe. You just work with your nature to make the choice you have to choose.

✨ Dimensions and consciousness

Everybody reacts to certain situations differently based on their nature. I have a different way of looking at things, holistically or on a small scale. I believe that to know everything in the universe, to connect to everything, you need to understand 12 dimensions.

Our mind is on three or four dimensions, and whatever we don’t understand—the nine dimensions we don’t understand—we call time. So, on a three-dimensional system, of course, there is choice. You choose everything.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: But when you look at it on a more holistic basis, there is no choice. It’s just—

And the dimension—well, I’ll go one step farther. I mentioned something without explanation. A lot of people talk about five-dimensional time or certain things, but a dimension is simply the way you can relate to something.

For example, one dimension of this is wool; another dimension is gray.

Rick: Another dimension is your microphone, which I don’t want you to cover up.

Abdy: Okay. [Laughter] So, there’s a certain way you can relate to something. Each of them is a dimension.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: We generally relate to everything based on our external situation, so we have given it X, Y, and Z dimensions. Then, whatever we don’t understand, in order for it to make sense—because I’m here and I’m here again, and some time has passed—we have created time to cover up what we don’t understand.

If somebody can connect to five, six, or seven dimensions, they can create something without time passing. We call it a miracle, but it’s not really a miracle. It’s just that they use a connection that other people do not see, like a magician using something—a black cord, for example—that nobody sees.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: So, everything is connected, and there is no disconnection. Understanding that, life is so easy.

Rick: I’ve heard you talk about 12 dimensions before, and I presume this is also something that you didn’t read in a book, that you just sort of know. If we took the time to do so, would we be able to go through all 12 dimensions and say exactly what each one is? If I said, “Okay, what’s dimension number nine?” would you be able to describe it, or is it too abstract to really put into words?

Abdy: It’s too abstract to put into words, because you name something that you know. You cannot name something that you don’t know. If you don’t relate to something, how are you going to name it?

Rick: You may not have words for it.

Abdy: However, I think it’s time for humanity—one of the things I said is that this is a special time, a time of raising vibration—to relate to other dimensions.

I think the next two dimensions that people are going to relate to in the next 25 years—some are relating to them right now—are the dimensions of intention and attention. When you intend, your thought form can manipulate and materialize, and another vibration can affect you. Up to now, yes—

Rick: Though you don’t have free will, you still intend, and it appears like an individual motivation, an individual push to have a certain thing happen. But it’s actually just part of the divine orchestration. It’s not something that you independently are doing.

Abdy: Well, I’m going to say something about that. You see, the divine plays with you to have that intention. I’m explaining how it works, not who is in charge.

Rick: Right, okay, I got it.

Abdy: You see, I always say, if I have a nail and I put it in this wall with a hammer, who is putting the nail in? I am putting it in with a hammer. If the hammer had a brain, the hammer would say it is doing it, but it wouldn’t see its connection to me.

Rick: Right, that’s good. I understand.

Abdy: So, the cause is different, but I’m just talking about the flow. That’s how prayer works, actually. That’s how humanity has been using it for so long. But it hasn’t been valued in some ways. It had some value, and it has lost it, because we are so focused on the three-dimensional format of life.

It’s time for people to relate to the other two dimensions. If they realize that if somebody is not in it—if I’m agitated, sitting here saying nothing—it can affect you. Also, if I have a thought form about you, intentionally I can affect you.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: This has been known to many people for so long, but when you realize that, you also realize the connection.

Each of us is like a cell of a body. Each human is like a cell of a body; together, we create the body of humanity. The way we operate right now is that if you have a toe and it’s not right, you just cut it and throw it away, because we don’t see the connection.

Or we invent a toe because we have some room in it, then we just take it out and chop everything up and sell it for whatever. If you don’t see that the foot is connected to you, you have no value for it.

But when we realize that humanity is one, then no matter when we invade, manipulate, or harm several human beings, we are affected directly—not through biblical terms, but directly. Then we live differently.

Rick: Well, there actually is a good biblical passage for this. You’ve probably heard the quote. Jesus said:

Whatsoever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me.

Abdy: That’s how it is.

Rick: So, are you saying that, if there are these 12 dimensions, spiritual evolution involves being able to live with or incorporate more and more of these dimensions into one’s living experience? There might be people walking around who have eight dimensions active in their lives, another person ten dimensions, and another person all 12—anything like that?

Abdy: All of those, but not to the extent that you’re explaining. You see, everybody has all the dimensions.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: Some relate to your consciousness. Normally, people relate to three or four, or whatever. There are many Reiki courses that teach you how to shift things, change things, and affect your energy body or whatever. Those people learn how to work with the fourth and fifth dimensions.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: A powerful healer can go to the sixth, seventh, or maybe eighth dimension, but that’s it. In the 12th dimension, you don’t need to exist, and you won’t exist.

Life is a process of getting to a higher vibration and eventually getting to a different dimension. Eventually, when we get to 12, you don’t need to do your life anymore.

Rick: When you’re doing your thing, how many dimensions are involved? When you’re meeting people? Because I said a very powerful healer has eight, and I’m not going to rate myself that high.

That’s the way I think of the question.

Abdy: But it’s pretty high. It’s high up, but it’s still below 10. I don’t—because that’s how it is. It’s not something that you graduate from. It’s your energetic body that relates to that consciousness.

Each consciousness is a dimension. There are 12 consciousnesses, or 12 dimensions, or whatever you want to call them or label them.

At a higher consciousness, there’s nothing to do, nowhere to go, and everything is perfect. Because it’s not that way for me, I’m not there either.

Rick: Right, so you have something to do, somewhere to go.

Abdy: That’s right. Yeah, he is showing off here.

Rick: Right, you have to come all the way from Toronto. But then, I would say, here’s what I would say to that: There could be people, and have been people, and are people who, in their experience, aren’t doing a thing. They are not doing anything. And yet, looking at them externally, they seem to be doing a lot. They seem to be very busy, going here, going there, doing this, doing that. And yet their inner silence is so profound that, from their perspective, they’re not doing anything.

Abdy: Well, actually, what you do or don’t do doesn’t matter anyway. The effect that a person has—any effect—is energetically first. What you do is the second thing. What you do, you do for yourself, to be in the energy that you need to be in.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: Some people need to be busy to go in there, some people need to be quiet, and some people need—you know, it’s just what you do. Nobody does anything for anybody. Everybody does it for themselves, and the energy is what impacts others. It might take four months, like, you know, a video or whatever, an interview now, but what it is, is beyond the interview. What you do, or what anybody does, is beyond what they do. It’s that energy that impacts.

Rick: So, if everyone is ultimately doing it for themselves—and I know what you mean by that—and it doesn’t mean they’re being selfish, because “selfish” has a small, greedy connotation—

Abdy: Yeah. Many years ago, I went to write a book, and the reason I didn’t was because I had to change everything in the vocabulary. The way we relate to anything is very narrow. Selfish—well, it’s not good to be selfish, but everything is selfish. Everybody is selfish, but we don’t want to know it.

Rick: I know what you mean. Mother Teresa did what she did because it was gratifying for her. It gave her joy, it gave her bliss, and it gave her meaning in life.

Abdy: Exactly.

Rick: Just using her as a case in point. And probably we could say the same of what you’re doing.

Abdy: For everybody. Any mother is a good mother because her nature mandates her to be that way. They don’t do it for the child.

Rick: They do it because it’s their nature.

Abdy: Exactly.

Rick: Right. Okay, good. I’m actually still reading his bio here: “He believes the truth cannot be learned and can only be connected to from within. Even though most of his work is energy-based, he guides people to realize their gift and their wisdom.” Which is a good point, because sometimes when people go to healers or people like that, there’s a sense of disempowerment. It’s like, “I have to see this guy in order to connect with something that I couldn’t possibly do on my own.” And I think what you’re saying is that you guide people to realize their own gift and their own wisdom. You don’t necessarily want them to be dependent upon you for the rest of their life.

Abdy: Well, I think everybody—Jesus came to Earth to show everybody that. “Look, everybody can be like me. We are the same.”

Rick: And he said so.

Abdy: Exactly. For us, it’s so hard to be like him. If I feel that I cannot be like Jesus, then a third-person ego would think, “Okay, if I cannot be like Jesus, there’s something wrong with me. I cannot handle that. So, what I’ll do is bring Jesus up as something superpowerful, so I can never be that.”

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: Well, of course he was superpowerful, but not because we are so different. He came as an example for everybody to be independent, to be connected on their own. Buddha was the same. But we always, rather than getting the teaching, like the teacher.

Rick: Yeah, put him up on a pedestal.

Abdy: Yeah.

Rick: Yeah. Jesus said, “All these great things that I do, you shall do even greater things.”

Abdy: Exactly. So, I think what it is—what you mentioned, and what I mentioned—is that we are all like a tuning fork, like an antenna, and we resonate with what we need to resonate with. All it takes is sometimes a loud noise going through your tuning fork for you to realize the sound. So, you do it on your own.

Rick: Yeah. A tuning fork is a good example because if you have two tuning forks close to each other and you get one going, the other one will start to hum if they’re the right resonance with each other.

Abdy: That’s right.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: That’s right. So, everything is our vibration. Whatever vibration we are, it affects the people around us. And the purer and clearer we are in our ego, the more powerful that vibration is, and the bigger its impact. Of course, nobody’s doing it to impact others. It’s just how it is, how everybody’s nature is.

And I think when people realize it through step-by-step guidance, we all realize we have no need. You see, if you look at a tree, a tree doesn’t have a need. It’s just there. Everything that it needs is there. It has always been there. And all the animals, they just get what they need. They’re not ever suffering. The only one who suffers is us, who are very intelligent.

If we go deeper, we realize we really don’t have any need. Whatever we need, we already have. Whatever we don’t have, we don’t need.

Whatever we need, we already have. Whatever we don’t have, we don’t need.

Rick: Let me probe you on that one a little bit. A tree needs water. A tree needs sunlight. And an animal, if it gets its leg caught in a trap, isn’t it suffering?

Abdy: You brought an “if.” Whatever a tree needs, it has. It’s not a need that is unfulfilled.

Rick: What if there’s a drought and it doesn’t get enough water and it dies?

Abdy: It doesn’t get upset about it. That’s how it is.

Rick: So, you’re saying that trees and animals are much more accepting?

Abdy: Well, they are more connected. They are connected to their connection. You see, when I’m connected to my whole body and a corner of my toe is infected, as a whole body, I just go to the surgeon and have that infection cut out. There’s no suffering because it’s for the harmony of the body. But if I’m only that corner, with this disconnection, I ask, “How come I’m being eliminated?”

Rick: So, what you’re saying is, if you don’t realize the bigger picture, then there’s suffering.

Abdy: That’s right. Right.

Rick: But if you realize your connectedness with the whole, then all is well and wisely put.

Abdy: Exactly.

Rick: Okay, got it. “Through Abdy’s presence, some people have become healers, spiritual teachers, life coaches, and many have become free from physical and emotional illnesses. But many more have been gifted to see the beauty of life and its participants.” Yeah, I was listening to one girl, and she said she had had this bad ulcer problem for 10 years or something. Then, working with you, the ulcer was totally gone. Now she can eat Indian food.

Abdy: Good for her.

Rick: So, is there a lot of that, where people actually overcome physical ailments? Do you place an emphasis on that?

Abdy: No, I don’t like to. That is not even secondary. It’s way down at the bottom of the list.

Rick: And it’s certainly not something you could promise, obviously.

Abdy: Not only can I not promise it, I really don’t care. Long ago, 12 years ago, I used to go and heal people. Somebody had cancer, and then they didn’t have it anymore. But I got a message that I should not interfere with the universal flow, so I don’t do it anymore. I don’t call myself a healer, and I don’t do healing.

Rick: Okay.

Abdy: But when everything that happens to you is an energetic disharmony and a disconnection in your understanding, of course everything is connected, but you are not aware of it. When you become connected again, there is a new level of harmony. And when there is harmony, whatever physical side effect there might be may go away.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: I’m not doing it. It just happens to them because their energy level shifts.

Rick: Yeah, you help them to get into more balance.

Abdy: I don’t even like that word. We have to choose our words carefully. I’m so particular about myself.

Rick: Yeah, I get it. You are a facilitator in some way, a catalyst. You know what a catalyst does? It facilitates a chemical reaction without itself being involved in the reaction or changing.

Abdy: Exactly what it is. But I don’t want to—I get so many calls from people who have cancer, and they ask me how to help them. I don’t. I send them to other people I know. But it’s not in my consciousness.

I remember many years ago, I was at a place where somebody was dying and asked me to help him. I said no in front of his children. At the time, it was so difficult for me. But when you realize it, what is wrong with dying? The best day of my life is the day I die. Of course, my children don’t want to hear it. I don’t say it out loud in front of them. But that’s how it is.

When you realize the cycle of lives that we relate to, and how energy and the soul exist forever, your physical body is 100 years of that soul’s existence. If you look at the length of your physical body’s life compared to the length of your soul’s existence, it’s like one day of this life. Would you care so much if you had one bad day? No. But why do you care so much? Because you don’t see. If you didn’t know there was a tomorrow, you would care so much about having one bad day today.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: And that’s how we live. We live based on the ignorance of limitation. It’s true: when you are limited, you are so focused on making the best of things.

Actually, many years ago I came up with a theory called absolute theory. That is related to emotion, consciousness, and time. Of course, I’m not going to go into detail about it now. Basically, our full consciousness is fractioned by time, and we create emotion for it. If we realize there is no time, we are fully conscious and we have no suffering, no emotion. I’m not going into detail now because not everybody can understand it. I don’t want to fill up your interview with a theory.

But I’ll give you an example. If you go to a buffet and take food you don’t like, do you get upset? No, you take something else because there is no limitation. But if you go to a restaurant, order something, receive it, and don’t like it, you’re not happy with your choice.

If we realize everything is a buffet, there is no beginning, there is no limitation, there is no beginning and end, the way we deal with everything is totally different. We look at everything as an experience, not as a mistake, not as the only chance.

Rick: Right. I like that perspective. It definitely makes life a lot smoother. Regarding dying, if I were driving a car that was breaking down and needed the head gasket repaired, and it was rusting and breaking down by the roadway, I’d want a new car. I wouldn’t be upset if I traded that car in for a new car.

Abdy: That’s how it is. On the same token, we believe in many things that are the opposite of how they actually are. Through that opposition, we have created a system, a belief system.

For example, we are 12-dimensional beings. We connect to the outer dimension. We are higher consciousness and higher vibration before we are born and after we die. And then we are upset about dying, but we should celebrate it because we get there; that’s the optimum truth.

Then we celebrate birth because, well, it brings some high vibration to a lower, three-dimensional reality. What is there to celebrate? If you go deeper, you realize, for example, that when you sleep, you’re connected to everything. That is your optimum vibration; that is your optimum being.

Most people think they need to sleep in order to go to war, but the reality is that you need to get tired so you connect to your optimum reality. But it all depends on how you are conditioned and which reality you tap into.

Rick: That’s nice. There’s a verse in the Bhagavad Gita that says:

Certain indeed is death for the born, and certain is birth for the dead. This does not bewilder the wise.

Rick: Here’s a question. When someone has been healed—you just said you don’t do the healing thing so much, but let’s just say, let’s not even use the word healing, but whatever it is that happens when you have a session with people—it seems that it’s rare that the effect lasts. Perhaps in some cases where there’s a lot of grace it is permanent, but in most cases won’t the person just revert back to their issues and their vasanas, their tendencies? How can it be practical for someone to be healed or to do sessions repeatedly for more effect? Doesn’t it all come back to the individual to heal themselves?

Abdy: Definitely. That’s why I don’t do any healing. I don’t even believe in that healing word. But you see, what happens is that we are layers within layers.

First of all, we are all run by different energies. What I call energies are emotions—the way we relate to those energies through emotion. Sadness is one energy, anger is another energy, agitation or whatever, and controlling is another energy. The way the energy manifests itself through our life is through our environment, our relationship to our environment, physical or whatever. For some people, that energy makes them not have money or suffer from something or whatever else.

Sometimes, for somebody to come out of that situation, they have to go deeper first. They have to deal with all of it before they can get rid of it. In other situations, they can just come out of it easily, and then they have to deal with a different layer of it, because it’s not just one or the other, and not everything is dealt with at once.

Rick: Yeah, I was reading various testimonials on your website, and there’s one woman in Australia who started doing sessions with you. We don’t want to scare people, but she said that her life started changing so much that she divorced her husband, whom she also considered her best friend, after 25 years of marriage. She started going through all this intense stuff—deep transformation, crying, and all kinds of rigmarole. It seemed kind of dramatic. How common is it for people who get involved with your sessions to have their whole life turned upside down?

Abdy: If they’re very blessed, very common. If they’re not so blessed, not common. You see, energetically, we are surrounded by energy that supports us. For example, the people here have certain energy, certain ethnicities have certain energy, and a family has a certain energy. If your energy has shifted to a high vibration, whatever is around you cannot support you; it cannot exist around you. If it’s a job, a husband, or whatever it is, it’s as simple as that.

Of course, those things happen for the people who have the understanding. You see, that’s a blessing.

Rick: Sure, they realize something. Yeah, and she offered to put a testimonial on your website, so she saw it as a good thing.

Abdy: Yes. Well, I’m not in charge of the testimonials. Somebody has dealt with them. I haven’t heard those things. I don’t read them. I’m so detached from what people tell about me.

You see, our lives happen for us to go through a path that we all end at—the destination where we need to end. It’s like going to school from grade one, grade two, through grade twelve. Each year, you learn something, and you go through whatever you have to go through the next year. If you go to school and you’re happy and nothing happens, you just play and learn nothing. Lives are the same way. If you put a bunch of lives in one lifetime, it’s not a pleasant life.

Rick: You go through a lot.

Abdy: Yes. That’s how it is. But everything will happen. It will happen gradually or fast. It’s like surgery or taking a pill. For different people, it’s different.

But the problem is—well, it’s not a problem, but I’m going to explain what’s happening now. The energy that is on Earth is much more powerful than before.

Rick: Accelerating.

Abdy: Yes. You see, there was an energy that supported human consciousness on Earth from the beginning of existence until December 21, 2012. That energy supported people the way they were. Of course, the Mayan people tapped into that consciousness, and they realized, well, it finishes; that is the end time. But that consciousness finished.

From then until September 2013, there was nothing. It was a time of whatever. And then there was a new consciousness, a new energy, beginning in September 2013. This new energy, this new consciousness, is very powerful.

What happens is that we are all like antennas. The energy goes from our crown chakra through us to Earth. This energy differs from before, like 110 volts or 220 volts. It’s different than before, and it’s much more powerful. If our energetic body is not aligned and doesn’t allow that energy to go through us, it will blow like a fuse.

In our physical body, we create cancer; in our emotional body, we create depression and anxiety. This is going to happen. This is happening. You can go through this or that.

Rick: So, there are billions of people in the world whom I would say are not very well aligned. Would you predict epidemics of cancer? Now there’s this Zika virus, which is a big deal. Do you expect all hell to break loose in a way?

Abdy: It already has. But what is happening also is that the new energy that is coming is the energy that connects your heart and your intuition. It drags you to a different consciousness.

Because of that new energy, a lot of people are opening to spiritual paths. So there is no possibility—but if there was, yes, what you say is correct. However, there is another factor that is opening people before all this happens. People go through it.

That’s why I do what I do, and you do what you do, and everybody else does what they do. You have an interview here, but what you do is beyond an interview: bringing consciousness to people.

Rick: Yeah, that’s why.

Abdy: And why do you bring that? Why didn’t you do it 20 years ago? Because it’s time now.

Rick: Twenty years ago I was teaching meditation, but this is actually more fun.

One thing I infer from what you just said is that if people want to have a smoother ride, then they should align themselves with that energy, attune themselves, and cooperate with it. Then things will be—rather than resisting it or pushing in another direction—perhaps they’ll avert all sorts of unpleasantness in their lives.

Abdy: Yeah, I didn’t say quite that. Nobody is in charge of their energy to align or not align. But the reason we are not aligned is because we are disconnected from our nature. We are natural beings. You are nature, every part of you is nature, and you are part of nature.

Through our mind, we disconnect ourselves. We are making ourselves better; we are the ones who walk on the Earth and make things. So we bring about the disconnection, and then we create that energy. Because we are disconnected, this new energy doesn’t go through. It’s like a fuse that is not fully connected.

So life and situations right now have magnified, causing people to go through a lot of turbulence.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: To release the anger, the sadness, or whatever they need to release; to become purer in their frequencies and become more in harmony and attuned to the universe and Earth.

Gradually, these energies go through them. This is happening to everybody, absolutely everybody, whether they do a practice, come to something, or not. There are other people who just go through a quick surgery. Through whatever format it is, they could go to a session, or many other things happen in people’s lives.

So many people die—not that they die—and then they just open up to something else. What they saw as the disaster of a death has become the blessing of a new birth.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: So it all depends on how you look at everything. But basically, what is happening is a blessing to all humanity. It is a revolution for humanity and a time of celebration. Actually, the Bible and most biblical and ancient religions have promised this time.

Rick: Yeah, a lot of things predicted.

Abdy: So, if you build a new house, you have to destroy the old one. If you don’t see this new house, the destruction is just a loss. But if you relate to the process of what’s happening, it’s a celebration. So it depends on how you relate to your life, yourself, and your situations.

Rick: Using that house metaphor, do you have a sense of when the destruction of the old house and the completion of the new house will happen—in years? And what will the new house be like compared with the old house?

Abdy: Well, it’s very difficult. The new house is just going to be more free.

Rick: I mean, if you describe society 20 or 30 years from now, what would you predict?

Abdy: Well, I think 25 years from now—I know most people don’t like what I say, and they don’t believe it—but in 25 years, I think nobody is going to be only three-dimensional. Everybody is going to be five-dimensional.

Rick: What will that mean in terms of…

Abdy: That means oneness. People will relate to oneness. People will relate to Earth. People will relate to nature. People will relate to everything as a connection to them.

The materialistic value of our conditioned system will be reduced so much. Everybody says there’s a problem with the economy. Actually, there’s no problem with the economy; there’s a problem with having an economy. The economy is a game. There’s a distribution of wealth. And where does wealth come from to start with? From Earth. Everything comes from Earth.

The more consumption you have, the more economy you have, but the more you invade the Earth. So, will it sustain itself? No, because the Earth is much more powerful, and it corrects us.

Rick: And you used to be a financial advisor, didn’t you?

Abdy: That’s right.

Rick: So you know a thing or two about the economy.

Abdy: Yes, but we are conditioned to value certain things now that really aren’t that important, and to totally ignore other things that are very important, like the purity of our water, our being, our sense of humanity and compassion, and connection.

At the end of the day, what puts you in peace or in war is you. That is much more important than anything else that you can have in your illusion of the day.

Rick: Yeah. I was listening to an interview this morning with Erin Brockovich, who is an activist. There’s this big thing going on up in Michigan with the water supply, where there’s lead in the water and the kids are all getting lead poisoning and stuff. She said there are thousands of towns like that which have that kind of problem, and Flint, Michigan, is the tip of the iceberg.

That’s just one small example, but a very significant one for those children. It seems like there are so many things in this world that are destroying the Earth, polluting the Earth, and destroying people because of the pollution, and that actually have no place in the new house you alluded to.

They will somehow have to be rectified, eliminated, swept away, and a whole new structure built in which we don’t kill ourselves through pollution and we don’t destroy the planet, and so on. I’ve always been fascinated with how that transition will actually play out.

Abdy: But it’s not going to be a transition. It’s going to be an evolution.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: And it’s not that we do it.

Rick: Well, evolution is a transition. You go from childhood to adulthood.

Abdy: Yeah, but it’s a very rapid transition because we have to live a certain way. I don’t think we do it. It goes through us. And it’s happening right now.

I mentioned to you that the energy of the Earth has to catch up to a new level. When it does, every element of the Earth acts the way it needs to act. You could look at it like a chemical reaction: when you want to turn water into vapor, you have to apply so much heat and boil it, disturb it, and it becomes vapor.

In our system, you can look at it scientifically or in a native way. The four elements—the element of fire goes to where it needs to go. That’s why the volcanoes are so active now. The element of water does the tsunamis. The element of earth does the earthquakes. And the air does the hurricanes and tornadoes.

So, it is happening. Many years ago, I was telling people in Louisiana that when this hurricane came, everybody said before the hurricane, “Well, life is this, and this is how it is. As long as you’re doing it, you’re happy.” But then suddenly something happened. Even though you could be anybody, something unexpected happened, and then you had to adjust yourself to a different way of life.

Of course, within our system we forget, but it will be the evolution that I’m talking about. It’s nothing that we can forget. It’s going to happen through us. I don’t think, consciously—I love people who care about the Earth—but the Earth doesn’t need me to take care of it. The Earth is going to take care of me and itself, and we cannot handle it when it happens.

Energy sessions and the falling-over experience

Rick: Okay, I’m going to shift gears again. During your sessions, it’s sort of dramatic sometimes. People fall over when you touch them, and somebody is there to catch them. That’s a show, is it? I mean, someone is there to catch them.

Abdy: It doesn’t have to be that way.

Rick: Okay. We had a guy here about four or five years ago, Kenji Kumari, and he did a similar thing where he would touch you in a certain way, and people were all falling over. I just stood there like a dummy. I didn’t feel like falling over. I had no inclination to fall over.

I’m almost afraid to come to your session because I don’t want to set a bad example. But what is all this falling-over business about?

Abdy: Nothing. You see, what happens is, it doesn’t have to be in any form as energetic, but when you are connected to your true format and to your soul, your mind is not in control. Falling or lying down is an easy format because, as long as you’re standing and doing anything, your mind has its own interpretation.

So, it’s not about lying down or sitting. People get something, even if they’re aware of it. Even if they feel nothing happened, it doesn’t matter.

Rick: Maybe they should start lying down rather than bothering to fall over.

Abdy: Yeah, but for the space—and generally, if I had 200 yoga mats or 200 massage tables, that’s what I would do. I can’t bend over on everybody and do that. It’s a nice show.

Rick: Okay.

Abdy: And also, for people, the mind still plays its game and wants to say, “I’m in charge.” They come with so many things they feel or don’t feel. A day later, they tell me that this happened, and then a week later they deny it. But that falling is something they cannot deny. It’s not that easy to deny.

Rick: It shows them they’re not so much in charge.

Abdy: Exactly. So, in many places, when more advanced people come—I also have a retreat or whatever—I don’t do that. With more advanced people, I just tell them to lie down.

Maybe logically, I remember many years ago, when I started, at the beginning of a session I mentioned that if you served in the army or were in the police, you wouldn’t fall back because you’re conditioned to stand, to be like that.

Then I had a session with the Bogotá police over ten years ago—nine years ago, something like that. At first it was difficult. One out of ten or two out of ten would fall back, but it was difficult. Then I went to the general, and when he fell, everybody did. So that’s how it is. That’s an example.

Rick: So, on a subtle level, what are the mechanics of what’s actually happening? Let’s try to get into that a little bit. Here you are, you’re a guy, and you come into a room full of people. You do some things, and people have all kinds of experiences.

If we could see all the subtler dimensions—if we had that sort of perception—what are the mechanics of what’s actually taking place with you, with them, and between you and them?

Abdy: Well, it’s very difficult to explain, but I’ll try my best. Don’t take me literally.

It’s like a laundromat.

Rick: A laundromat.

Abdy: Everybody goes into a bubble that is separate from the outside, and everybody is mixed up together, with whatever additive it is, and some stuff comes out of them.

It’s also a laundromat where you don’t dry them. You just take them out wet, soaking, and they go through life, each person to be dried the way they need to be.

But now I’ll go one step further. Our existence, the way we relate to our existence, is through our mind, but our soul is in charge of it. We are not in charge of anything, because the energy of anything is what is in charge of it, not the thing itself.

So, our soul is as we are. Of course, there’s no such thing as our soul either, because you don’t have an individual soul, but I’m not going to go there.

Your energetic body, through lifetimes, has been altered in a way that has caused you to lose connection with your source.

Rick: Okay.

Abdy: And that alteration is only energetic. The way you relate to those energies is through emotions. Actually, I will say that many people have problems with emotion. I say emotion is the only way you communicate with your soul.

Emotion is the only way you communicate with your soul.

Rick: Emotion.

Abdy: Emotion. Any time you are emotional, your soul reaches to you with something beyond what you believe and what you are in control of.

Through emotion, you do something illogical. Your mind is in charge, but your soul has nothing to do with logic, or with what is right or wrong, or with the conditioning of the mind—mental conditioning.

Energetically, certain energies shift and, let’s say, come out of you. It’s not gone for good; it’s just diluted to a certain, different level of harmony for everybody in the group.

Some people relate to it, feel it, and experience it. Some people have no idea. It’s like if I have a pan that is dirty, I can see that it’s dirty. I put it in the laundry, and it’s washed. I say, “Oh, it’s clean.”

But if I don’t see dirt in it—if I cannot relate to any of the dirt—I have children who don’t see dirt on their pants. They say, “Oh, it’s dirt.” When it comes out, it’s the same. There’s no relation.

So, not everybody relates to it, but basically, it’s being in a time and a space—or less space—which is always that way, but we can relate to it. Some people can; some cannot.

It’s going through a magnified transformation of the self—not into anything, but just reorganizing itself. It’s like a messy room: you put it in order. There’s nothing new to it and nothing taken away from it; you’re just putting some order into it.

That is happening in life anyway. Life does it for us. People come into that situation, and it just happens faster.

I know somebody, for example, many years ago in Australia. Some guy came to my session and then left. I didn’t know about it. Then my organizers called the guy four months later, and he said, “Please take me off your list, because I felt nothing, and it was just a waste of time. Don’t call me again.”

Then the guy called two months later and said, “You know what? Put me back on the list, because over the last two months something happened. I know everything has to do with that session.” So, it took seven months or whatever.

Some people may not notice it. Really noticing something or not noticing something has to do with our conditioning. It has nothing to do with the truth.

Rick: Okay. Yeah, let me summarize what I think you just said, to make sure I understand it correctly.

The laundromat metaphor is that there is a sort of collective consciousness generated in the room when you’re doing these sessions, and everyone gets tumbled up in it and affected by it and washed, so to speak.

There’s an infusion of coherence that influences everyone, but people are only aware of it according to their capacity. There might be a lot of stuff going on that they’re not aware of, because that’s the way life is anyway. Most of the stuff that’s going on, we’re not aware of. We’re just aware of the little thin crust of the surface value of things.

So, anybody who’s in that atmosphere, like being in a washing machine, is getting influenced. It could be that the majority of the change or influence taking place for them is beneath the threshold of their ability to perceive.

But it might manifest or be recognized four or six months later, and yet things have been shifting all that time, unbeknownst to them.

Abdy: That’s right. That’s right. But also, you mentioned before that there’s a certain common goal.

You see, many people who come and feel something might lose the feeling later. It doesn’t mean that it’s not there. If you put your hand in hot water, you feel the heat. After a while, you get used to it. So, it’s as if it’s cold, but it’s not. You just get used to your new energy level.

I’m going back to one of the questions you asked. I thought I answered it, but I didn’t. So, another time they go to another layer.

Going back to this question, exactly: through those energies, if somebody releases sadness, they become sad. If somebody releases anger, they become angry. If somebody releases agitation, they become agitated. And when somebody releases controlling energy, they become controlling. When you control, you experience nothing.

Rick: Interesting. That’s an interesting thing. So, we tend to experience the thing that we’re releasing.

Abdy: That’s right.

Rick: That’s a good little summary of the point.

Abdy: That’s what it is.

Hourly energy transmissions

Rick: Okay. On your website, it says something about hourly energy transmissions, and probably one of them happened during this conversation you and I have been having. What’s the mechanics of that?

Is it something that you are consciously involved in? Does it happen twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week—every hour there’s an energy transmission? It must be something that’s set up automatically, that you don’t have to consciously do anything about.

Abdy: That’s right. This came to me because—I don’t know—spirituality has become an industry, and a lot of people try to sell dependency and new courses and new things.

I thought, well, I want to do something that doesn’t need anything. So, everything works. I don’t even have to come to a place to have a session. I’ve had sessions from other places.

Once, for example, in Brazil, they didn’t let me go because I had a yellow fever certificate—I didn’t have a yellow fever certificate coming from the Amazon. I had a session. I told them, “Okay, you have a session. I’ll have the session from a distance.”

But that particular time, I slept in. I didn’t have a session. So, I’ve learned that it really doesn’t matter. Where the intention is going, that’s what matters.

I have put the intention that every hour I want to share whatever comes through me with the whole universe for twelve minutes.

Rick: Once the intention is established, it just works automatically.

Abdy: That’s right.

Rick: Yeah. They call that sankalpa in Sanskrit. There’s something where, again, you were talking an hour ago about speaking truth. If someone has that sort of resonance with truth, or an intention, it’s going to happen without their conscious intervention once the intention has been set.

Abdy: That’s what’s happening. So, every hour, from the hour to 12 minutes after, people can tap into the energy. Of course, that energy is not quite exactly the same as the one that comes to the session, but it’s a valid version of it. For so many people who are used to it, they absorb it. It’s like a frequency sent out, but what is received is based on your antenna. If you have a good antenna, you receive a lot. If you have a small antenna, you have parasites.

Rick: Yeah. It’s like there’s a reservoir. The amount of water you can draw from it depends on how large the pipe is that you put up to it.

🛤️ Audience questions

Yeah. Okay. Now, a bunch of people sent in questions, and I just want to ask some of these questions that people have asked. We don’t have to spend a long time on each one because there are quite a few. We’re doing okay on time. What time is your thing today?

Abdy: 5:30. I can be there at 5:15. I mean, I can be there at 5:30.

Rick: All right. So, we’ve got another half an hour or so, maybe. Okay. So here are some questions. This is from Trish in Phoenix, Arizona. She says, “How do I know what my healing gifts are, and how do I activate them?”

Abdy: Well, first of all, you’re not in charge of activating anything. When you need to know, it’s been activated for you to know it. Many people look at energetic healing or whatever as if it’s like anything else you learn: you take a course or something. But it’s not that way. For some people, maybe this lifetime is a good time for you to find out; maybe it’s next lifetime or another lifetime. There’s no time, really, for you to find out. When you’re ready for it, you get it. Ready means not that you can prepare yourself. When you’re energetically at a level that you can receive it, you know it and you act on it.

Rick: In other words, if you have healing gifts…

Abdy: Everybody does.

Rick: Everybody does. If they are meant to be activated, they will be.

Abdy: Exactly.

Rick: You don’t have to manipulate.

Abdy: That’s right.

Rick: Okay. This is from Edalia in Bogota, Colombia. You said you’ve been to Bogota. She probably knows you. Abdy, you say you haven’t written a book because at present humanity would not understand what you would write in it. And even if we could understand it, it would not be sufficient because the mind always wants to know more. The question is, “In the language of your heart, what is the mind, and why does it resist the truth?”

Abdy: Well, mind is a part of our nature, and it’s part of our human reality, and it serves us. It’s nothing that we have to go against. My mind brought me here today, too. It’s part of the energy. Mind is part of that energy.

Rick: It’s a fact.

Abdy: Well, yes, it is, but it’s beyond that. For different people, their mind serves differently. Some people are totally mental; they need to understand something. Other people don’t need to. They don’t even use it. I actually have an analytical mind, very much so. And for me to have that and not to listen to it, it’s a very amazing thing.

So, the mind has been created for us to have that conversation, to have that dialogue, to have it go through this side and the other side. And we have to love our mind, even though it plays tricks on us, even though it does whatever it does. We all learn not to use it too much.

Rick: So, what you’re saying, then, is that we need to be more simple, perhaps, and not over-intellectualize things and not try to figure everything out.

Abdy: What I’m saying is that if we try to figure everything out, it’s okay. You can become the observer of it. My mind can do whatever it needs to do. I just watch it.

Rick: Abdy, have you considered writing a book, and you don’t want to write one because…

Abdy: Well, because I don’t think… Again, I have a lot of people. You see, what I say is not necessarily something that people like to hear. So, I don’t want to write a book that is not a bestseller. Why bother? Why bother?

Rick: You said Oprah once invited you on her show. If she would do that again, you’d have a bestseller. Here’s a question from Jean in Nova Scotia. She says, “Our world seems to be ruled by a small handful of people who are in control, no matter which political party is voted in. How do we individually take back our power and collectively break free from the control of this consortium? Or does any of this matter, and will all unfold according to divine will?”

Abdy: Well, it doesn’t matter. The last one is true. But if your nature needs to be participating in something that it doesn’t like or fighting against something, that’s how your nature is. For each person, it’s different. You see, that’s the thing. Writing a book, you have to have one remedy for everybody. But it’s not true. If she thinks that she needs to fight something, she should. Why not?

Rick: Yeah, that’s a good answer. We need political activists, but if you’re not inclined to be one, that’s okay too. That’s your role.

Abdy: That’s right.

Rick: Here’s one from Amy in Hong Kong. She says, “What role does the sense of self, or ego, play?” Is that clear? Is that a good enough question?

Abdy: Well, I think the major role—our reality is through our ego. Everything we know is what that ego knows. So, it’s a big role.

Rick: Some teachers talk about killing the ego or eliminating the ego or diminishing the ego, or that kind of thing. Do you think along those lines?

Abdy: Well, yes and no. Because if you want to kill the ego and diminish it, that means you are in charge. If you kill something very powerful, that means you are more powerful. You still have it.

Rick: Good point.

Abdy: So now…

Rick: What’s going on?

Abdy: Exactly. So, we are in a process in which the ego is being diluted. It’s not that we’re doing it. Our reality, our life, makes it happen. Of course, is it our destination? Before we get there, we might have more ego, for us to realize that it doesn’t serve us. But basically, nobody is in charge of their ego. So, we don’t need to do anything about it except, in any situation, always accept it. If you have an ego, a self-ego, accept it. Say, “That’s the way I am.” You can’t fight anything. When you accept anything, it loses its presence. The fight gives it more power.

Rick: Makes it more powerful, yeah. How would you define ego? I have my own definition, but how would you define it?

Abdy: There are different levels of ego. First of all, ego is what creates our human reality. But what ego says is, “I’m better than others,” or whatever—everything for the benefit of me and everything else. You see, you can look at the whole world as the world and I’m part of it, or you and everything else around you. It’s the way you look at the world: through that ego, that self, or through everything. But for most people, the reality of 99.999% is self and everything else around them.

Rick: Kind of like what we were talking about before, about the trees and the animals and all.

Abdy: So, it is how we are. And if we are that, when you have what you call compassion, you feel that connection, the oneness. So, when you have that compassion and that oneness, then you feel that connection, and the ego is not powerful. If you don’t have it, the ego becomes powerful. It’s nothing you can control, and it doesn’t have something that you can turn this way or that way. You cannot deal with the ego. All you can deal with is observing the connection.

Rick: Yeah. Okay, that’s clear. And she asked a question about Ayurveda, but you probably don’t know much about Ayurveda, do you?

Abdy: I’d rather not answer that one.

Rick: Yeah. And then…

Abdy: Probably you can answer that one. A little bit.

Rick: Well, actually, she started asking about rising with the sun—in other words, being on a certain routine, enabling us to be more in tune with our spiritual nature.

Abdy: Everything is good.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: But actually, I had this—somebody, just one of the organizers in Ferfuri, told me that I have a problem with meditation. I said, “No, I have a problem with dependency.” Everything serves you, everything does. But when you depend on it, it doesn’t serve you anymore. Without that thing, you have a problem.

Rick: Yeah. I was just thinking this morning about an old friend who once said, “I can’t take a shower too long because I can’t wait to meditate. I just have to do it.” There’s this kind of heroin-addict quality to it.

Abdy: So, our journey is to realize we don’t have a need. We do have needs, but they’re fulfilled and beyond. We don’t have to battle for our needs. And whatever need you have in meditation or whatever else, that is taking you away from that journey.

Rick: You yourself don’t meditate, haven’t had a teacher or anything. It’s just happening. Everything is just happening spontaneously for you.

Abdy: Exactly, yes.

Rick: Okay. This might be a good one. Does belief play any role in connection to the greater existence of all?

Abdy: No, not at all.

Rick: What? It doesn’t really matter what you believe?

Abdy: It doesn’t matter, but your connection plays with your belief.

Rick: Say that again?

Abdy: Our belief doesn’t play any role in the connection with existence, but your energy plays with your belief. It’s the opposite.

Rick: Experience will determine what you believe, not the other way around. Is that what you’re saying?

Abdy: No, not experience. No, I’m saying exactly what it is. Your belief cannot bring a deeper connection.

Rick: Right.

Abdy: If you have a connection, it can alter your belief system.

Rick: Yeah, if you have a deeper connection, you’ll have a different belief system. Right?

Abdy: Yeah, that’s what I meant.

Calmness, emotion, and being present

Rick: All right, enough from Amy. Here’s one from Trish in Perth, Western Australia. This is a good one. I guess she’s speaking to you in particular. “What helps you maintain your calmness, your center, or your connection when chaos is all around you? And how can you share how we can integrate this into being present in the moment, instead of trying to escape or leave our body?” I must say, you do have a very calm air about you, despite the fact that you’ve been traveling for the past 12 hours. So, what helps you maintain it?

Abdy: Actually, you know what? I don’t maintain calmness, and sometimes I’m chaotic.

I’m not chaotic, actually. Sometimes I’m not calm, and I cannot deal with chaos. It just agitates me. But when that happens, I’m okay with it. So, there’s an extra layer of calmness. To understand that it’s okay to be chaotic, to deal with chaos, to be agitated—that’s okay. Then there’s another layer of calmness to it.

Rick: Like when you’re going through a busy airport, going through O’Hare and changing planes, and there are crowds of people and all kinds of stuff going on, and your plane is late and you might miss your connection. How do you feel in a circumstance like that?

Abdy: Actually, in those situations, it’s not chaotic for me. And anytime I’m around people, a large group of people, everything is serene no matter what happens. Actually, a lot of people—I had something in New York recently, and I told them, to me, walking in a rainforest in the middle of Manhattan is the same. Because it’s just…

Rick: There’s a deep silence. Yeah. So, in an airport, that’s not a good example. But in situations involving children or things like that, in those individual situations, sometimes I’m acting beyond reason, or from a place of mind and disconnection. But that’s a human being.

Sure.

Abdy: So, I’m not judging myself. If I did judge myself, why did I do that? Then I wouldn’t be at peace. Because it didn’t come to judgment, it’s okay. Many years ago, I used to mention that every emotion is okay. Fear is okay. Sadness is okay. But the problem we have is when we have fear of that emotion. If you have fear of being sad, then that fear becomes a glue that is stuck to you. So, the problem is fear of the emotion that we have created for ourselves.

Through that fear, we have an expectation to be different. If we don’t have the expectation, if it’s okay not to be calm, and tomorrow we are, and we wait just for that tomorrow—and that from now until tomorrow is one second. If you expect that you should have been calm and should be calm, then that from now until tomorrow is a year.

Rick: Yeah, you make the situation worse. There’s an old fairy tale called “The Princess and the Pin,” where she was going to get stuck by a pin the next day or something. She was just worrying, fretting, and fuming, going through all this terrible stuff for 24 hours. Finally, she got stuck by the pin, and she thought, “That wasn’t so bad.” [Laughter]

I don’t know about this, but Trish asks something about an energy shift that happened on the 6th of

January: What happened, and what does that mean for humanity?

Abdy: Well, I just recently wrote a newsletter, and I don’t think—I’m not going to go there. It’s long, and it’s not for everybody to hear.

Rick: Okay. They’ll have to read your newsletter.

Abdy: Well, I share newsletters with some people who understand, because they have gone through certain things, and then they are—it’s just grade 1 and grade 12, and it’s—

Nature, choice, and divine unfolding

Rick: Okay. Here’s one from—this is the final question. This is from Suzy in Tempe, Arizona. This is a good question. How do we utilize our spiritual connection to make the best choices for our lives?

Abdy: Oh, that question is against everything I say, so the answer would be: Your spiritual connection will make the best choices for your life.

Rick: We don’t have to do it. You don’t have to choose it. It just does it.

Yeah. Do you think sometimes in terms of—we spoke of dimensions—in terms of levels of consciousness, higher levels of consciousness, do you ever use that terminology?

Abdy: Yes, but you see, we are not—you see, the question she asked is as if she’s in charge and can do something about it. We are not in charge of it. We are part of the process, and through that process, we go into a higher dimension. Then the connection becomes deeper, and the choices become clearer in the lower dimension.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: And that clarity brings the realization that there’s no choice.

Rick: Right. Well, that’s why I asked you that question, because wouldn’t you say that we just act according to our level of consciousness? We can’t help but do so.

Abdy: Well, exactly. That’s what it is. Her nature is just going to choose what she needs to choose, and the consciousness comes the way it needs to come.

Rick: People sometimes give me a hard time for quoting the Bhagavad Gita all the time, but I just know it really well. There’s a verse in it that says:

Creatures act according to their own nature. What can restraint accomplish?

Abdy: Yeah, but you see, we are—I always say, for example, because we don’t see a benefit in something, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a benefit. For example, a scorpion is created for a reason that we don’t know.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: And we just look at it as a nuisance creature, or whatever. But it’s not that way. Everything is created perfectly, and everything we have is what we need to have, including our pain and suffering. It’s not a mistake that we have pain. It’s not a mistake that we suffer. Nothing is a mistake. Everything has happened to us, through us, and for us—for our evolution, for our higher vibration, and for our growth.

Rick: Yeah. And also, wouldn’t you say that it’s natural? The universe seems to be structured in such a way that there are naturally polarities. We have scorpions and we have butterflies. We have sadness and we have happiness. It’s hard to imagine a universe in which it was all just one end of the spectrum and not the other.

Abdy: Yeah, well, you see, the universe doesn’t have polarity. We have polarity.

Rick: We interpret it.

Abdy: Exactly.

Rick: Yeah.

Abdy: You see, the duality comes from separation. It’s all perception. For example, right now, you are sitting on the other side of this flower, so you are on the other side. In this system, we have a duality: You are on the other side. If somebody looks at the ceiling, we are in the same place. Then, on one higher level, we are in this room and your wife is in another room. But if somebody goes farther up, you are in the same house.

Rick: Right. It’s a matter of perspective.

Abdy: Exactly. So, from a lower perspective, there are a lot of polarities. Up until the 11th dimension, there is polarity. At 12, there is no more polarity.

Rick: And then you say you don’t have to be born anymore.

Abdy: You don’t say it. It just doesn’t happen.

Closing reflections

Rick: Okay. Well, is there anything we haven’t covered that you would like to say? Anything we can think of?

Abdy: Well, I can say many things. Usually, I love it when people ask me questions that I’ve never answered before, so I learn myself.

Rick: Did I get any of those today? [Laughter]

Abdy: So, most of it comes from memory. But no. The last thing I want to share is that everything is perfect. What I said was perfect, whether correct or not. What I didn’t say was perfect, too. And when you tap into that perfection, it’s only joy. When everybody taps into their own perfection, the universe is beautiful regardless of what happens in it. And that is not far. It’s just some roses away.

When everybody taps into their own perfection, the universe is beautiful regardless of what happens in it.

Rick: Nice. Well, I’m sorry I didn’t ask you any questions you’ve never been asked before. Maybe next time.

Abdy: No, maybe you did. I don’t know, but I didn’t come up with anything new.

Rick: There’s nothing new under the sun. Sometimes, from time to time, the same question comes, and I tap into something new. You come with the same question, and sometimes it doesn’t. But this is an interview we’re having. To me, I say a bunch of words and it’s logic somebody needs to hear. But to me, it’s beyond that. I see a dynamic, energetic bubble here. What I see is that through that bubble, there’s a breeze of cords that connect to each person exactly the way they need to connect. Not one goes to two people. Each person gets uniquely what they need to get.

Yeah, nice. And even if a lot of this wasn’t new for you, it’s probably new for 95% of the people listening.

Abdy: That’s why I’m here.

Rick: Yeah, good. Well, I really appreciate your being here. You went through a lot of rigmarole to get down here, and you have two sessions tonight here in Fairfield, which will have happened by the time people see this. Then you have to drive all the way back to Chicago, and then tomorrow night you have San Francisco.

Abdy: San Francisco, then LA, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Sedona, Phoenix, Houston, Denver, Sarasota, Miami, Philadelphia, New York, and home.

Rick: This interview will be online before all those 10 days, and obviously this will be up for years. People can go to your website, which is abdy.info, and there’s a place there that shows what your schedule is and all that stuff.

I guess that’s about it. So, thank you for coming, and thanks to those who have been listening or watching. If this is new to you, this Buddha at the Gas Pump thing, go to batgap.com, where you’ll find about 330-something previous interviews—maybe more by the time you watch this. They’re categorized in various ways under the Past Interviews menu. There’s also an Upcoming Interviews menu, which shows who’s scheduled, and a place to put in guest suggestions if you’d like to suggest somebody.

There’s a donate button there, which enables this whole thing to roll along. It’s possible to sign up to be notified by email each time a new interview is posted. There’s an audio podcast of the show, which about as many people listen to as we have YouTube viewers. There are some other things, too. There’s even a ringtone of the BatGap theme song for your telephone or your phone, if you want. So, check it out, and thanks for listening or watching. We’ll see you next time. Thank you, Abdy.

Abdy: Thank you, Rick. I really enjoyed this.

Rick: Same here. Yeah.