Darryl Anka (Bashar) Interview

Summary

Darryl Anka describes how UFO sightings led him to explore channeling and eventually channel Bashar. The discussion examines channeling as an altered state, how knowledge and personal preparation shape what comes through, and how beliefs relate to negative influences.

Questions This Interview Explores

• How does someone begin channeling?
• What happens to a person’s awareness during channeling?
• Can artists and scientists access a channeling state when they create or make discoveries?
• Can negative entities possess or control a person?

Key takeaways

• An open-minded skeptic asks questions while staying willing to revise their views; cynicism rejects evidence in advance.
• Channeling depends partly on the channel’s preparation, language, and ability to translate ideas.
• An altered state of focused absorption can make it easier to access ideas and creativity.
• An entity’s message still has to be received and translated through a person’s own capacities.
• Fear-based beliefs can align someone with negative patterns, but a person can change that alignment.

Transcript

Rick: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer, and my guest today is Darryl Anka, who channels an entity known as Bashar.

Well, first of all, welcome, Darryl. Thanks for doing this.

Darryl: Thank you, Rick. My pleasure. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

Rick: Yeah, well, this is gonna be fun. Those who have been watching this show for some time know that I have a fairly eclectic understanding, or orientation, towards spirituality. I feel that the universe is far more vast and diverse, and complex and mysterious, than most of us realize, and that it’s all pervaded by Divine intelligence, and that Divine intelligence has a lot of tricks up its sleeve [chuckles]. You know, a lot of different ways of enabling people to more fully realize that deep reality. So I don’t rule out much of anything as a valid spiritual path, and I think that people choose the paths which they feel the most resonance or affinity with, and that’s cool with me.

So I feel that the purpose of this show is to expose people to a variety of teachers and teachings and paths and spiritual orientations, and let them use their own judgment as to what works for them.

So I say that as, you know, a little bit of an introduction because I know that some of my audience will think, “Oh, channeling, aliens and all this stuff. What does this have to do? I’m into Vedanta.” And so I’d say, great. Enjoy Vedanta, but Vedanta isn’t the only game in town. And if you happen to resonate with what we’re going to talk about today, and I’m sure many of you will, then that’s good. And if you don’t, then I’ll do another one next week on a different topic [both laughing].

So, Darryl, one thing that, when I was listening to your various recordings of Bashar, there’s one in which he distinguished between, I believe it was, skepticism and cynicism.

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: Yeah, I like that one, and correct me if I’m wrong, but he defined skepticism as a sort of a healthy, open-minded inquisitiveness, where you’re free to ask questions that may arise, but you keep an open mind and you’re willing to revise your perspective if new evidence is presented. Whereas cynicism is more like a rigidity, or a closed-mindedness, where you feel like you’ve got it all figured out, and you reject evidence that clashes with your worldview as being kooky or erroneous, or fallacious, or whatever.

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: So by that definition, I would consider myself a skeptic—and it’s sort of a complimentary term—and I’ll probably be asking some questions that may seem skeptical, but they’re asked with all respect and appreciation for what you do.

Darryl: Yeah, that’s fine.

Rick: Yeah, they may be questions that people we’re talking to have in their own minds, so we want to cover them.

So, with that introduction, I think this interview will probably break down into two main sections, and there may be sort of an intermixture between the two sections, but one will be about your life: who you are and how you got into this, and how that whole thing unfolded. And the other is about Bashar himself and the knowledge that he is bringing forth. And so those two are intertwined but somewhat separate.

So let’s start with the first one first. As I understand it, you’ve been doing this for decades now.

Darryl: 30 years.

Rick: 30 years, yeah, long time. I know you’ve covered this in other interviews. There was a great interview on something called Waking Universe. I really appreciated that one. That guy did a good job. But since the people listening to this will probably not have listened to that, let’s cover some of the same ground, and maybe I’ll ask some different questions.

Darryl: Sure, absolutely.

Rick: So let’s start by just—how did this whole thing start?

UFO Sightings That Sparked an Investigation

Darryl: Well, for me it began back in 1973. I actually had two very close, broad daylight UFO sightings here in Los Angeles. The first time, about 150 feet away; the second time, only about 70 feet away. Both times it was an equilateral black triangular ship, about 20 or 30 feet on each side. Now fortunately, I had witnesses with me both times, so I knew I had some collaboration and some corroboration in that experience—in both those experiences. But it was those UFO experiences that started me investigating, “What’s this all about?” Because now I’d seen something like that, I knew that the world wasn’t exactly as I had been taught it was, and I needed to find out what was going on.

So in that investigation in the following years—of course, back then there weren’t a lot of books on a lot of metaphysical subjects. You’d walk into a bookstore looking for UFO books, and books on psychic functioning or channeling or things like that would all be on the same one shelf in the back of the store. So I just kind of went down the line and picked up these different books and tried to ascertain if one had anything to do with another. I became familiar with channeling through the Seth material from Jane Roberts, and I found it to be…

Rick: Hang on just one second before you proceed. About the UFOs: Los Angeles is a populous place. I mean, was this broad daylight, did you say?

Darryl: Both of them were in broad daylight, yes. I was on the freeway the first time. We were actually looking around to see if anyone else in any of the other cars, while we were driving, were looking up at this thing. Everyone in my car saw it, but I couldn’t tell if anyone else was looking up and seeing this thing. It was hovering just above and outside of this hotel, which was maybe about 12 stories tall.

Rick: And it didn’t make the news or anything?

Darryl: Well, not that I was aware of, although I have subsequently seen more and more reports of triangular UFOs since that time. But I think it took about two or three years after my sighting before I actually heard of another report of a triangular UFO. They seem to have been pretty rare back then; now they seem to be more and more common.

Rick: Okay. Did you have any spiritual or esoteric tendencies before this, or was that the catalyst that got you going?

Darryl: Not really. That was really the catalyst. I mean, my family had raised me Catholic. You know, I didn’t really resonate with the idea of religion in that sense; it was just kind of surreal to me. And so, no, I didn’t really have any leanings in any particular spiritual direction, but this really ignited my curiosity about what was going on.

Rick: Okay, good. And so later on we’ll talk a lot more about the UFO phenomenon and all that.

Darryl: Sure.

Rick: But you were about to talk about your exploration, and you mentioned you stumbled upon the Seth material—Jane Roberts.

Darryl: Yes, yes, and so that gave me some degree of introduction to the idea of channeling. And 10 years after the UFO sighting, I was actually introduced to a channel who was holding seminars at the time. I went to listen to the information coming through that channel, and after a few months I thought, “It’s interesting information. It seems to be constructive. It seems to have the capacity to help people make positive and constructive choices in their lives.”

Now eventually, that entity offered to teach a channeling class. I went into the class, not because I thought I was going to become a channel; I was just trying to further my research, because I didn’t understand how channeling could be taught to someone. My understanding at that point was that it was just sort of something that happened to you out of the blue. But in the class, which was basically a series of guided meditations to put you in touch with whatever you wanted to get in touch with, be it more creativity, your own higher mind, or, you know, whatever, I received what I can only describe as a telepathic hit. And in that one instant, an actual memory came back of having made an agreement of doing this channeling with Bashar, in this life.

In that instant, I understood the UFO had been shown to me on purpose, to get me to start doing the research I was doing so I would be ready by the time it came time to do the channeling. And the information in my head was, “Now that you know you made this agreement, now you know it’s time to begin. Is this something you would still like to do?”

Rick: So this is an agreement that you made before your birth?

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: And so maybe that’s why the other people on the freeway didn’t see the UFO, because it was really meant for you. And maybe they couldn’t isolate out the other people in your car [chuckling].

Darryl: And I’ve heard this happen many times from other people who’ve reported UFOs. Sometimes they’ll be standing around a group of people, and only one or two people in the group will actually be able to see the UFO. So they may have a way of tuning the frequency to a particular person and making themselves essentially invisible to anyone who’s not on that wavelength.

Rick: Hmm. Maybe the people in your car were somewhat like-minded, you know, more open-minded, higher-consciousness kind of people, or something.

Darryl: Somewhat. Sure, well, you know, like attracts like. They were my brother, my sister, a very, very close friend of mine, and her brother. So in a sense, we were all family.

Rick: Okay, good. So you got this hit. You realized, “Ooh, I had made an agreement to do this,” and continue.

Darryl: Yeah, so for a little bit I thought, “Okay, maybe I’m hallucinating here. Maybe this is just my imagination. It’s a side effect of the meditation we’re doing, I don’t know.” But the instant this actually happened in my head, the entity coming through the teacher stopped talking to the class and turned to me and said, “There’s an entity here for you now, if you’re ready to begin.” And at the same moment, I glanced over and noticed that one of the other classmates had also somehow picked up on this peripherally, what was going on, and was actually sketching an image of Bashar that I had seen in my head. So I already had two external validations that this wasn’t just going on inside me. For that reason, I decided, “Okay, let’s explore this and see what it’s all about.”

Rick: Okay.

Learning to Channel in a Psychology Study

Darryl: So I went further in the class. I did well enough that the teacher actually asked me to co-channel the next class with him. And after that class, I was introduced to a woman who was doing the first doctoral thesis on the connection between psychology and channeling, and I became one of her subjects and started channeling at her house for her friends, while she wrote notes to write her paper.

But the first week, you know, it was like five friends, and then the second week was 20, then the third week was 40. And then we had to start doing it like twice a week, and then renting auditoriums, and then people would pass the recording around. And before you know it, I was being invited to different cities, different countries, and it just took on a life of its own, and here I am 30 years later.

Rick: Now I heard you say that you pretty much don’t remember, or while it’s happening you’re not very cognizant of what’s going on. It’s like you’re off in some daydream or something.

Darryl: Yeah, I don’t hear the words so much. It’s kind of like if you’re really lost in a daydream, and somebody walks in the room and tries to get your attention. And they have to call your name three times before you actually hear them?

Rick: Happens all the time with my wife [laughing].

Darryl: Exactly! So it’s like that. It’s like the conversation might as well be in the house next door; it’s so secondary and so far away. I’m paying attention to what I’m experiencing, which is a lot of energy, a lot of imagery, a lot of feeling, but I’m having my own experience. And whatever’s going on with the translation in my brain for the person sitting in front of me really, in a sense, is none of my business, so I just don’t pay attention to it.

Rick: Hmm. It seems that happens to different degrees with different channels. Like Edgar Cayce, as I understand it, was really checked out, you know?

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: Some other channels, if their house was on fire, you’d say, “Hey, your house is on fire,” and they’d get up and jump. I don’t know, maybe you’re just wired in different ways.

Darryl: Yeah, but I’ve also noticed, in talking to and observing other channels, a progression, let’s say, generationally. I think we, those who choose to channel in this way, are becoming more and more involved. So it’s like, I’m conscious, I know there’s something going on, and I could probably stop it if I wanted to, but I just don’t choose to stop it. I’m more conscious and more aware than, I think, people you’re mentioning, like Edgar Cayce or Jane Roberts.

Because I think it’s important for the channel to now know, at least to some degree, and to participate to some degree in what’s happening, because the information coming through is also to be applied to yourself, as well as to the people that you’re talking to. So I think you’re going to see more and more involvement in a conscious way.

As I become, let’s say, more my own version of Bashar, by simply using the information that he brings through, I can tap into my own higher mind, and I don’t have to go into the altered state at all to bring a lot of the information through myself at this point. So I think that’s part of the idea: that we become more conscious and are still capable of tapping into that level of reality and bringing through what we need.

Rick: It seems like some channelers—well, you in particular—adopt a very different voice while you’re doing it. I do a pretty good imitation of it, actually. [laughing]

Darryl: Here’s the irony: I actually can’t imitate that voice. I have trouble imitating it, but it happens absolutely naturally. The breathing that you hear happens naturally by going into the altered state. The voice changes and the energy changes happen just as a side effect of going into that state and allowing his personality to be translated through me.

One of the things—I don’t know, we can touch on this later—but right now we’re actually in the middle of… My other life is in the film business, and right now we’re making a documentary about how I became a channel and who Bashar is. One of the things I’m most excited about in this documentary is that I actually did a channeling session with my head wired to an EEG machine. So, for the first time, we’re actually going to be able to demonstrate physically what the differences are in the human brain between the normal waking state and the channeling state.

Without giving a lot of stuff away right now, I will definitely say people are going to see, for the first time, that there are profound differences between the two states. And for the first time, I think we’re going to be showing some scientific evidence that this is truly a real altered state. Not that anyone has to believe that Bashar is real, but the channeling state is a true altered state that we all actually have the ability to get into, and that a lot of us actually do get into from time to time when we’re in that zone, or doing what we love to do—when we’re just doing it, not thinking about it, and not noticing the passage of time. That’s a channeling state, and we all do that.

So, for the first time, I think the documentary is actually going to show the scientific side of what’s happening in the brain in that state. So we’re really excited about that.

Rick: Yeah, it’s interesting. And of course, a lot of that kind of research has been done with meditation. They’ve identified that meditation evokes a really distinct state. It’s not just some minor modification of the waking state; it’s a major state, just as waking, sleeping, and dreaming are distinct from one another.

Darryl: Yes, there are some similarities we discovered to the meditation state, but there are also some profound differences in addition to the meditation state.

Rick: When you say we all channel from time to time, perhaps without even knowing it, I’m wondering if, like… Well, you’re channeling someone whom you say is actually a future version of yourself—Bashar is some future version of yourself.

Darryl: Yes, that’s the way he presents himself.

Rick: And that’s something we can get into later in more detail also: time is not so linear as we think, and we’ll get into that. But then how about great geniuses like Mozart, Beethoven, and Einstein? Do you think they were channeling?

Darryl: Yes. They’re in the channeling state. It’s really just expressing more of yourself, more connectivity, more accessibility to knowledge that exists throughout creation. It’s just knowing that everything exists in the moment and tapping into that present moment so strongly that you can bring through what you need to bring through without really thinking about it.

Rick: Yeah, and there’s the ancient idea of a muse, you know, who inspires a great musician or artist or something. So do you think that these guys like Einstein and so on were just tapping into a deeper aspect of their own creativity, or do you think that some higher being or power said, “Okay, it’s time for humanity to know about relativity, and here’s a good candidate. This guy’s smart enough; let’s bring it in through him”?

Well, it could be both. It could be both, and in a sense I feel it has to be both. Information permeates existence itself, and whether another entity is involved in helping deliver it, the person receiving it still has to be on the right wavelength, still has to be in the right state of being, or the right vibrational frequency, to receive it.

Darryl: Well, it could be both. It could be both, and in a sense I feel it has to be both. Information permeates existence itself, and whether another entity is involved in helping deliver it, the person receiving it still has to be on the right wavelength, still has to be in the right state of being, or the right vibrational frequency, to receive it.

So I think it’s got to be a two-way street. You’ve got to be able to tap in and be open to receiving whatever it is that’s available to be received. Whether someone is intentionally sending it to you or not, or whether you’re reaching out and getting it, to me is just sort of an issue of what mechanism is being used. But you still have to be in the right state to be able to translate it through.

Rick: Not only the right state, but you also have to have the right education. I mean, Mozart knew about music, and so therefore he could channel all these beautiful things. Einstein knew about mathematics, and so on.

Darryl: Exactly. But one of the things that I’ve noticed in my life early on, and one of the things that people often say when they hear the channeling, is that I have, I guess, a relatively large vocabulary, so that Bashar can really translate a lot of what he’s saying into the necessary words. [chuckling]

I noticed that in my life growing up, it was kind of one of the things that happened for me automatically. My parents said that I was reading magazines when I was a year and a half old. English in school was never a problem for me. I never understood why people couldn’t understand punctuation, grammar, vocabulary, you know—things like that.

So I think that now, in hindsight, I needed to program myself with a large enough vocabulary so that very esoteric concepts and ideas could translate through me into language we would understand. And so, yeah, I think there’s a lot of preparation involved in these things, but a lot of times it just happens in your life where you gravitate to that thing to give you the tools you need to be able to function on that level or translate those concepts at some point in the future. Yeah.

Rick: Yeah, and obviously you wouldn’t be a very useful channel in Brazil or speaking Afrikaans or something. [chuckling] Bashar, if he wanted to talk to those people, is probably going to have to go through somebody who speaks Portuguese or something.

Darryl: Yeah, because that’s a common misunderstanding that people have about the idea of channeling. It’s not that it’s impossible for an entity to sort of “override” the consciousness of the channel’s programming and sometimes actually pull another language through, but it’s really not what’s easiest for the channel’s brain. The channel has been programmed with a particular language, and therefore, yes, you’re right: in some sense, it’s easier for the entity to actually go through a person who’s already programmed with a different language.

I’ve actually seen that happen with Bashar. At one point, many, many years ago, while he was helping someone else learn how to channel, he was acting as a mentor for them temporarily and allowing them to bring him through just temporarily, until they could get a handle on what channeling was and then channel their own entity. He actually came through a woman in Japan! And therefore, he was speaking through a female, in Japanese, but it was still distinctly his personality, his cadence, his style, his mannerisms. So that was kind of a very odd thing for me to experience personally.

But, yeah, most people have a misunderstanding because, see, he’s not speaking anything at all; he’s just sending thoughts. The thoughts are being translated by the biological translator that we happen to be, and I’m programmed with English, so that’s what you get.

Rick: Yeah, how about on the dark side? I mean, were guys like Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Charles Manson channeling something?

Darryl: Well, I suppose you could say they were channeling their negative egos, or their fear-based egos. [chuckling] But the idea of channeling is something that, by definition, is integrative, connective, and expansive. Things that are perceived more negatively are segregative and disconnective, reductive and destructive.

So the idea is not so much to say that they might have been, quote-unquote, “channeling” in the sense of an integrated, positive, expanding, mechanical concept, but that perhaps they were experiencing so much disconnection and fear-based belief systems that they were simply bringing through more and more of their own negative ego, without actually being able to express a connection to a higher source.

Fear-Based Beliefs and Negative Channeling

So the idea is not so much to say that they might have been, quote-unquote, “channeling” in the sense of an integrated, positive, expanding, mechanical concept, but that perhaps they were experiencing so much disconnection and fear-based belief systems that they were simply bringing through more and more of their own negative ego, without actually being able to express a connection to a higher source.

Rick: Well, I guess maybe to rephrase the question: are there negative forces in the universe who would like to use men like them as means or channels to bring about negative impacts on humanity?

Darryl: It’s possible. You know, the universe is both positive and negative, and I’m sure there are entities out there somewhere that don’t necessarily have everyone’s best interests at heart. But what I’m saying is, a person has to already be kind of gravitating toward that wavelength to attract something like that. And the idea, again, is that negative energy, by definition, is segregative instead of connective. So even though someone might be aligning with a negative entity, or a negative entity may be aligning with someone on Earth who is negatively oriented, there’s not much connection, because connection, by definition, is positive. So aligning with something like that is probably very difficult.

I think when people talk about things like “possession,” and ask whether a negative entity is taking over, to me it’s really simply more a matter of—in terms of speaking of it as if it were physics—the person, based on their own negative belief systems, is putting themselves in a negative vibrational frequency. By doing so, they may be emulating another negative frequency that might have a similar negative intention.

But it’s not like they can really be controlled or possessed. It’s simply that, for whatever reason, their belief system is getting them to agree to function on that same low vibration or wavelength. So they’re emulating or mirroring what another negative entity might also want to do, but they’re doing it themselves. They’re totally in control of that. If they change their mind about being on that wavelength, they would sever that experience in an instant, but their belief system doesn’t allow them to do so.

Rick: Okay. So you’re saying that a negative person like Hitler, for instance, is not the polar opposite of somebody who’s channeling a lot of positivity, wisdom, knowledge, and so on. He’s more mired in his egotism and has just assumed some kind of role and has some kind of charismatic personality that enables a lot of people to get enthusiastic.

Darryl: Yeah, it’s a fear-based belief system. It’s a belief system based on limitation, lack, and fear—the negative definitions that you’re somehow disconnected from Source. If you feel like you’re disconnected from Source, then the ego sort of goes into this negative space where it feels like it has to control and manipulate everything in order to feel the power that it doesn’t allow itself to feel, because it believes it’s disconnected.

People who feel connected to Source, who know that they are connected—it’s not that anyone can actually be disconnected, but you can have a belief that you’re disconnected. And if you believe you are, it’s like being abandoned, like being isolated. You’re going to try to do everything in your power to find that connection again. But if you don’t understand that the power is within you, you’re going to assume that it’s out there, and you’re going to manipulate your reality and other people, and force yourself on them in order to construct a reality that makes you feel powerful or comfortable.

But really, anytime anyone forces something on anyone else, it’s just a sign that they don’t feel their power at all and are trying to make up for it in some sort of artificial way. Great power, as Bashar said, really requires the very gentlest touch. So anytime anyone is forcing something on anyone, what they’re actually saying is that they don’t believe they have self-empowerment.

But really, anytime anyone forces something on anyone else, it’s just a sign that they don’t feel their power at all and are trying to make up for it in some sort of artificial way.

Great power, as Bashar said, really requires the very gentlest touch.

So anytime anyone is forcing something on anyone, what they’re actually saying is that they don’t believe they have self-empowerment.

Rick: Just to belabor this point a little bit more, from what I’m gathering, you would probably say that what we see in terms of humanity—all the dramas that have played out over hundreds and thousands of years—is not necessarily a surface manifestation of a tug-of-war between positive and negative forces, sort of like Star Wars.

Darryl: No.

Rick: The negative forces, at least in the examples I’ve mentioned, are just manifestations of human ignorance and ego. But the positive forces, you seem to be saying, could actually be a channeling of some higher intelligences, which…

Well, what I’m saying is that creation has both positive and negative energy in it. In that sense, you can say, yes, there are both positive and negative forces, based on what beings choose to align themselves with. But what I’m saying is that the expression of positive or negative has to do with what an individual, based on their belief systems, chooses to align with.

Darryl: Sure.

So if they are in fear-based belief systems, they’re going to align with a negative side of reality and express it through themselves. If they’re in positive-based belief systems, they’re going to align with the positive side of reality and express that. So basically, what I’m saying is that it still comes down to the fact that individuals have a choice as to what to align with. It’s not necessarily even that the so-called positive and negative forces, on a very basic physics level, have an agenda. It’s just that this is what positive energy is and this is what negative energy is. If you align with one or the other, you’re going to express through yourself what is relevant and reflective of that energy.

So the real battle is really just taking place within yourself, more than the idea that the battle is taking place “out there” somewhere. Creation contains both sides, and it’s not that it’s battling with itself. But depending on what you lock into, the expression of love or the expression of fear can be personified through any particular individual, based on what they align with.

So the real battle is really just taking place within yourself, more than the idea that the battle is taking place “out there” somewhere. Creation contains both sides, and it’s not that it’s battling with itself. But depending on what you lock into, the expression of love or the expression of fear can be personified through any particular individual, based on what they align with.

Rick: Okay. Yeah, I mean, just in mythology and scriptural accounts, especially in the East, there are so many accounts of the gods and demons battling it out, you know.

Sure, sure, but I think that’s symbolic of what’s going on within us. It doesn’t mean that consciousness can’t express itself archetypally in a seemingly external, autonomous being—it can. But I think we only perceive and experience that when we’re on that vibrational wavelength first.

Darryl: Sure, sure, but I think that’s symbolic of what’s going on within us. It doesn’t mean that consciousness can’t express itself archetypally in a seemingly external, autonomous being—it can. But I think we only perceive and experience that when we’re on that vibrational wavelength first.

Rick: Right, yeah, that’s good enough. And we align ourselves with one or another of creation’s tendencies according to our proclivities—according to choice, according to our makeup, and our karma, whatever.

Darryl: Sure, sure. So you’ll get the experience you’re on the wavelength of. Anyone who’s in that fear-based belief system is going to experience an archetypal, autonomous, demonic reflection. Because everything is conscious and made of consciousness, of course it will have its own consciousness, and it will present itself as an external entity with an agenda. But it’s actually activated by someone choosing to be on that wavelength, and then seeing and experiencing the reality that they’re on the wavelength of.

Rick: Okay, good. One other thing, just looping back a little bit: I get the impression that some channelers are very drained, and it even takes a toll on their health to do it. I think Jane Roberts might have been a case in point. Whereas in your case, you’ve found it nothing but energizing and enlivening, and it’s enriched and enhanced your personal life as Darryl.

Darryl: Yes, yes. For the first couple of years, it was tiring. But I think what happens is that it takes a while for a person to get used to the level of energy that is coming through when you make a connection like that to a higher-plane entity. At first, there might be resistance within the person, and I think that resistance to that energy is what causes the exhaustion.

But if you open up, eventually, ideally, I think the idea is to relax and trust it, and open up enough so that when you really let that energy through without resistance, you find that it actually does start to sustain, support, and energize you. So if people are only experiencing exhaustion and feeling drained by it, that might be an indication—I’m not going to say in every case, because I can’t speak for everyone; everyone has their own path—but it might generally be an indication that perhaps more internal work needs to be done to let go of any negative belief that might be causing resistance to that higher frequency. Therefore, the channel working on themselves a little more might ease the resistance to that energy and allow them to experience it in a much more positive, sustaining, and uplifting way.

Rick: And perhaps it’s not even just belief, but neurophysiological wiring might need to be rearranged a bit before you can really do it without obstruction.

Darryl: Sure. Well, it goes hand in hand. I think that anytime you change your belief system, you actually do change your neurological wiring, and it becomes more reflective of the fact that you can handle more energy. That’s one of the reasons, again, why you see me go into the altered state and hear the breathing and things like that change, because I think you’re actually seeing a physiological reflection of the different neurological state that the body is going into to be able to sustain that energy without causing a detriment to me.

Rick: Yeah. You’re probably familiar with some people who have been on television, like Theresa Caputo, the Long Island Medium, and James Van Praagh, and three or four others.

Darryl: Sure, and John Edwards…

Rick: John Edwards. Do you consider what they are doing channeling? Because they don’t really seem to check out at all. They seem to be all there, and they just say, “Oh, I’m just picking up something here,” and “I’m talking to your mother.”

Darryl: Yes, yes, and that’s typically the form of channeling that’s referred to as “mediumship.” They’re acting as a conscious medium. They’re sort of hearing or picking up on symbols in their own consciousness that are translations of what a spirit entity might be sending, and they’re just translating it through to you as a medium. In a sense, it is a form of channeling, just maybe a different form of channeling.

But I think they also represent what I was saying earlier, as kind of where channeling might be heading in general. The idea is not necessarily to check out; the idea is to participate, but do so in a way where you know you’re not, let’s say, filtering or interfering with the information. So I think we’re going to see more and more examples of people remaining relatively conscious while at the same time developing the ability to tap into those things and still participate while they’re delivering the information, without really putting their own filters on it. So, yeah, it’s a form of channeling. And I guess you could say channeling is a form of mediumship. They’re just kind of different styles of the same idea.

Rick: Might it be the case that if someone like Theresa Caputo is connecting with somebody’s mother, that entity—her mother—is not so dissimilar from her or the people she’s conveying it to that she doesn’t really have to go into a deep kind of dissociated state? Whereas if you’re channeling some kind of alien from the future, maybe that life form is so different that you really gotta sort of…

Darryl: Maybe, maybe. I mean, it could be the case for me personally. Again, based on maybe the belief system I was raised in, it just might be easier for me to go into a state that way, to allow something that I consider to be so different to come through more easily. I don’t think it has to be done that way, but that’s just maybe the way it works for me.

Parallel realities, time, and free will

Rick: Okay. I bet some people have asked you this, and I’ll ask you in case it’s on some people’s minds. When you first began dealing with this stuff, you thought, “Whoa, what’s going on?” You began reading a lot of spiritual books, and you probably immersed yourself and read a ton of them. Does Bashar say things that you couldn’t have learned from reading? Does he surprise you with things he comes out with that you’d never even heard of before, and all of a sudden, this thing is coming out?

Darryl: Yes, all the time. There are people who have spoken to him who are very well-trained psychologists, and people who have spoken to him who are physicists. They’ve walked away happy with the information he’s given them, which I wouldn’t have a clue how to give them. So yes, there are definitely perspectives, ideas, and concepts that he’s come through with that are beyond anything I’ve ever studied. Yeah, that does happen.

Rick: Okay. You alluded earlier to the fact that you say Bashar is actually a future you, in the future! How far in the future are we talking here?

Bashar’s Place in Time and Parallel Reality

Darryl: Well, here’s where we get into some bizarre temporal mechanics, because from Bashar’s perspective, everything really does exist at the same time. But he understands we’re perceiving things a little more linearly, so he’s expressing things in a more linear fashion. In the way we think of time, he’s saying that he would be considered about 300 years in our future. However, he’s also saying that because he exists in a parallel reality—another alternate dimension—his reality vibrates, for lack of a better term, 10 times faster than ours. So evolutionarily, they’re actually 3,000 years ahead of us.

Rick: Oh, I see.

Darryl: In their civilization. But in terms of how we would relate to them, in our linear sense, he says we would think of them as about 300 years in the future.

Rick: Yeah. Even if he weren’t you, there are civilizations, I believe, that are functioning on different levels or dimensions that we would consider to be thousands of years ahead of ours.

Darryl: Yes, absolutely.

Rick: I mean, does he ever tell you how things have turned out? What’s happening with climate change?

Darryl: Well, that’s when things get odd with temporal mechanics, because he’s saying there’s no such thing as a prediction of “the” future. There are an infinite number of probable future realities, and depending on the decisions we make in the present, that determines which probable future reality we will choose to experience. But they all exist at the same time.

Now, he can sometimes look at the energy that exists right now, which is basically what he’s saying a prediction is. It’s not a prediction of the future; it’s a sensing of the energy that exists at the moment the prediction is made. If that energy doesn’t change course, then it might have a high degree of probability of coming to pass. If it does change course, then, of course, another probability will come up. So that’s always in fluctuation.

Now, he can sometimes look at the energy that exists right now, which is basically what he’s saying a prediction is. It’s not a prediction of the future; it’s a sensing of the energy that exists at the moment the prediction is made. If that energy doesn’t change course, then it might have a high degree of probability of coming to pass. If it does change course, then, of course, another probability will come up. So that’s always in fluctuation.

From time to time, on very rare occasions, he has said, “All right, I’m sensing right now that there’s something going on in your collective society that has so much energy and so much momentum behind it, for one reason or another, that it seems unlikely that it’s going to change.” But this happens very rarely, and it has to have a lot of energy and a lot of momentum behind it.

One of the examples I can point to is that I know there’s actually a recording from a session, I think in 1998, where he did say that somewhere around the year 2001 there would be a terrorist attack in New York City. That came to pass. So the only reason that it was possible for him to make that prediction is that, for some reason, when he scanned all the probable timelines, it seemed relatively inevitable that we were heading down that path, somehow. And so he felt it was unlikely we would go into any other probable future reality.

That’s kind of how it works for them. There are some other generalities where he’s said, “Yes, I can see this has a high degree of probability of coming to pass,” but he’ll never say, “This is an absolute.” Because once you actually let someone know where the energy is going, we could decide to change it. So, in a sense, a prediction can actually make itself obsolete just by becoming known.

Rick: Yeah, and there are all those sci-fi movies about going back and changing something in the past. And your parents aren’t born as a result, and so on. [Chuckling]

Darryl: Yeah, and from Bashar’s perspective, it doesn’t really work like that. It’s more along the lines of what physicists are saying when they talk about the “many worlds” theory in quantum mechanics. Everything exists as a parallel reality, and you can’t actually go back into your own past. You might shift over into a parallel reality that looks like your past and meet a version of yourself that looks like your younger self, but whatever it is you’re doing in that reality is another reality and has nothing to do with your timeline.

Rick: Hmm. So would it be true to say, based on that point, that you and I are living parallel lives in other parallel universes that are similar to the ones we’re living, or a little bit different in certain respects?

Darryl: Yes, or very different. It can run the entire gamut, according to Bashar. You can experience or perceive a parallel-reality version of yourself that is almost indistinguishable from what you’re experiencing, and you can perceive a parallel-reality version that’s so different you probably wouldn’t recognize it—and everything in between.

Rick: Hmm, interesting. So maybe in one parallel universe I’m just wearing a different shirt, and in another realm I’m a professional baseball player or something?

Darryl: Right, and in another, you may be a different life form altogether. [Phone ringing in background]

Rick: Interesting. Okay, so before we lose the point you were just talking about, it sounds like you’re saying there are all these probabilities, and the future is malleable, the present is malleable, and there are certain probabilities that have a lot more momentum behind them, while others are probably less probable.

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: But it’s not set in stone, and it’s not predetermined. You would say, I suppose, that we do have free will. I mean, some spiritual teachers say that we don’t have free will.

Darryl: Well, I think it’s a combination. I mean, you can look at it paradoxically from almost any point of view and be correct. Bashar’s recently talked about the fact that—okay, here’s one level of it: You can say that, linearly speaking, before this life, your “soul” decided to experience a certain thing, to explore a certain theme. You could say that’s your destiny; you will live this life.

Rick: Yeah, like you signed up to do the Bashar thing.

Destiny, Free Will, and the Hallway Metaphor

Darryl: Yeah. But how you do it, how you get there, how you experience it, the way you go about it—that’s up to your free will. It’s up to what you prefer, how you feel best doing it. It’s like saying, “Well, you’ll walk down this hallway”—that you can’t avoid. But you can run down the hall, walk backwards, upside-down, left, right, slow, fast, wearing this, wearing that, singing a song, being upset. How you do it is your free will, up to you, but you will walk down that hallway.

So he’s saying that, from that perspective, there’s a combination of the ideas of destiny and free will working hand in hand to create your experience. On another level, he’s saying you could look at it and say, “Well, you are your destiny.” In this particular theme, you can’t be anything but you, so that’s your destiny. How you choose to express who you are can again involve the idea of free will, but it’s still always going to be you expressing that. And therefore, you could say that now you’re fuzzing the borders between free will and destiny, because you can’t express yourself as anything other than you. So now they become a little more blended.

On a third level, he’s saying you could also look at it as, well, let’s say, for example, you come to a crossroads and you go, “Well, I can choose to turn left or right.” Now you say, “Okay, my destiny is to come to this crossroads, but my free will is to choose to turn right or left.” Well, he’s also saying, how do you really know that? You could choose right, but how do you know that wasn’t your destiny? Then you could change your mind and say, “No, no, no, I’m not going to go here. I’m going to choose left.” Well, how do you know that wasn’t your destiny?

So ultimately, what he’s saying is it’s kind of a moot point, because from this level you can’t really tell whether it’s free will or destiny. So it can be either, it can be both, and it can be neither. It’s really just about the experience that you are, and that experience informs you, and you do what you do. It almost doesn’t matter whether it’s free will or destiny, because the ultimate outcome is the same: you’re having an experience that adds to the expansion of who and what you are as a conscious being. That’s really the bottom line, and it doesn’t really matter what mechanism you’re using—destiny or free will—to achieve that.

Rick: Would it be true to say, then, that we have a certain destiny, but most of us perceive ourselves as having some wiggle room, some latitude in which we can choose this or that? It may be that from some ultimate perspective it’s all predetermined and there isn’t any free will. But as long as you perceive yourself as having free will, then it’s not helpful to philosophically play with the notion that it’s all predetermined, because you perceive yourself as having free will and you’re responsible for exercising it intelligently, as best as you can.

Darryl: Yes, and that’s the experience you’re having. See, I think what Bashar is actually saying is that the structure of existence never changes; that’s predetermined. But your experience of the structure is what changes, and that’s the idea of your free will: you can experience the structure, the destiny, from any perspective you want to. As an experience, it’s real, but it may not necessarily be representative of the fact that the structure already exists and never changes.

So you’re using a structure to create different “real” experiences of that structure, and it’s the experience that matters, because that’s what creates change, growth, and a difference of perspective, whereas the structure never changes. So it’s kind of both-in-one, and it’s the experience that really matters. The process is the point.

Rick: Yeah, good. At this point I want to interject a few questions that people sent in. They’re kind of related to what we’ve been talking about. One person asked, “I’d like to know if Darryl activated his Merkabah”—and you’re going to have to define that, because I don’t even know what it is—“before he became a channel, after, or if it was always activated? Bashar comes to and through him to give channeled information. Does he ever travel to Bashar? And if so, what happens?” [Chuckling]

Darryl: Is that all one question? [Laughing]

Rick: I guess that’s two questions from the same person, so maybe the Merkabah one first.

Darryl: Okay, a Merkabah, in general, is considered by a lot of people to be an energy matrix that represents a certain state of alignment, which allows one to express more of one’s full being into this reality. How to answer that question? I think of it from that perspective, because in a sense, a Merkabah is just a translation of an idea. It’s a permission slip, as Bashar says; it’s a way of looking at a process. It’s not necessarily an absolute description of the structure of existence, but it may be a way of interpreting the structure of creation or existence.

In that sense, yes, of course I think the so-called configuration of my theme—if you want to refer to that as a Merkabah—was always there from birth. But certainly it was activated by several incidents in my life, one of the strongest being the UFO incident itself. That may have activated my ability to bring through what was relevant to that particular matrix or structure you’re calling a Merkabah.

In that sense, yes, of course I think the so-called configuration of my theme—if you want to refer to that as a Merkabah—was always there from birth. But certainly it was activated by several incidents in my life, one of the strongest being the UFO incident itself. That may have activated my ability to bring through what was relevant to that particular matrix or structure you’re calling a Merkabah.

I’ve had experiences with Bashar directly in dreamtime. The only thing I’ve ever experienced directly in physical reality is his ship, twice—his ship. But I’ve had about four dream experiences where I’ve either gone to his reality or we’ve had conversations all night long in some sort of other, alternate dimension. I know they’re not just normal dreams, because that’s all that’s happening: I’m talking to him like I’m talking to you right now, and certain things happen in that dream state that are very unusual. So I guess in that sense, yes, you could say there are times when I’ve gone to him, but it usually happens when I’m asleep, at least so far.

Rick: Okay, so that, I’d say, answered both questions. So that ship you saw back in Los Angeles many years ago—that was Bashar’s ship?

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: Okay, and was it just sort of an interdimensional kind of ship that came up from some other dimension, or did it come from another physical planet someplace that we can see through a telescope?

Darryl: Well, it can do both. It can do both.

Rick: Does he have a home planet?

Darryl: Yes, yes, they have a home planet, but like I said, it’s in an alternate reality. So we can’t actually see it unless we shift to that dimension, in the same way that they can’t really perceive our reality as physical unless they shift into our dimension.

If we were to overlap our reality with their reality, his star system would be about 500 light-years in the direction of the Orion constellation. But again, it’s invisible to us unless we shift into their physical reality. But yes, they do have a home planet.

Rick: That’s interesting. So the universe that we see through the Hubble telescope or whatever—we’re just seeing a layer of the cake. It’s just one dimension. And if we had a telescope that could not only see far away but could shift dimensions, we would see whole different configurations of stars and galaxies and planets in those other dimensions?

Darryl: Yeah, in much the same way that here we have a visible spectrum of light. We can’t really perceive infrared or ultraviolet light with our eyes, but we have instruments that can do that for us and allow us to peer at something our senses can’t naturally pick up. So yes, Bashar’s people have the ability to do that naturally. They’ve developed and evolved to the point where they can perceive other dimensions with their own actual senses, and that’s one of the reasons why he can make connections to his past self, which is me. For them, time and space are not as rigid or fixed as they are for us at this point. But we’re evolving to a point where we’re gaining the same kind of flexibility that his civilization already experiences.

Rick: You know how astrophysicists talk about how maybe 96% of the apparent matter and energy in the universe is invisible—dark energy, dark matter—and they can’t account for the way the universe behaves based on what we can see with our eyes? There’s all this mass that somehow causes gravitational effects; they call it dark matter. Is that mass actually related to these other dimensions of the universe you’re referring to?

Darryl: Maybe, but what I’m actually referring to is something that looks similar to our own universal reality—perhaps with its own matter, its own dark matter, its own dark energy—but it’s just in a different vibrational state.

Perhaps a better analogy would be the idea Bashar often uses, which is like our TV programs. When you’re watching a particular program on TV, you know there are hundreds of other programs playing at the same time, but you don’t perceive them because you’re not on that channel. If you switch channels, then you’re perceiving a completely different program, in much the same way as the program you were just watching. Now you’re no longer perceiving the one you were looking at before, but it’s still going on. So it’s more like that. Each is its own real reality, its own real universe, but they’re on different frequencies and so they interpenetrate and overlap. We only see the universe that we happen to be tuned to.

Rick: Yeah, and all the channels that you’re getting on your satellite dish or your cable are actually all coming in at once, and they’re not conflicting with each other. It’s just that your tuner is selecting a particular one or another.

Darryl: Right. So I think that’s how dimensions function. They’re all real, they’re all existing at the same time, they’re all overlapping at once, but we have a very, very fine-tuned frequency that’s relevant for this particular reality experience. We need to expand our ability and become a broader-spectrum antenna, so to speak, before we can really start picking up on these other realities.

Now, I think we do that sometimes, from time to time, inadvertently. This is where people have experiences of other dimensions, of another reality, the spirit realm, or what have you. Sometimes our antenna might get a little bit more broad-based for one reason or another, and we start perceiving things that are going on at the same time. We get kind of a double exposure of the two, three, or four different realities that do exist simultaneously. So it does happen from time to time, but for the most part, let’s say 99% of the time, we’re focused on basically one particular frequency of reality, because that’s what we wanted to experience.

Rick: And so would it be kind of simplistic or misguided to try to map the topography of one reality to another—to say, for example, that if you could shift to a different dimension, there might be another planet between here and the moon? Or are they really so much in their own realms that it’s not sensible, practical, or meaningful to try to match them up or compare them?

Darryl: It depends. It depends on whether or not that’s relevant for the person doing that kind of exploration or research. It might be very relevant for certain people. Maybe this, in some sense, is what some shamans or enlightened masters are able to do, to use a general term. It’s more relevant for them—they’ve made it more relevant in their lives—to be able to perceive things that, in general, others don’t. Therefore, they can tell you, “If you tune this way, you’ll see this. This is what I’m seeing.”

But it may not be relevant for everyone, because most people have a particular theme they’re exploring, and certain things may not be completely relevant for them to explore in that life. But they may be very relevant for other people.

Rick: I have a few friends—several close friends—who perceive these other realities routinely. They see angels and stuff like that all the time, and they see them attending to people. Like, you might be at a restaurant and see, okay, these subtle beings are attending to that table or something. So there does seem to be, in the case of those beings, an interface or interconnection between their reality and ours, and they’re serving some function in our reality.

Darryl: Yeah, and I think this is happening more and more. I mean, I think this is actually part of what this transformational age is all about. We’re developing more ability to perceive what we heretofore could not perceive, and that’s a reflection of the expansion of our consciousness. I think that’s one of the things that’s going on in this age of transformation.

Rick: Good. Here is another question that somebody else sent in. We kind of covered this, but I think there’s something new here: “Darryl has said that Bashar is him in the future and Bashar lives on another planet. Does Darryl feel that he is a Starseed, in that he usually carries out his incarnations on other planets and comes to Earth for specific tasks at specific times?”

Darryl: No, well, I suppose I could say that, from a specific perspective, the answer to all of that could be “yes.” But again, because Bashar has explained that time is not really linear, that everything exists all at once, I wouldn’t necessarily put it in the same framework.

Let’s just say I know that, like a lot of people, there are probably incarnations going on simultaneously in other civilizations that I’m connected to. There are probably other incarnations going on on Earth in different time frames that I’m connected to. Some of those lives in both areas probably serve certain functions that have to do with the transformations going on here on the planet, and some of them probably don’t. So I would say maybe the best answer is “all of the above.”

Rick: Okay, good. There’s another one: “I’m in a similar boat—or perhaps spaceship is a better term,” someone wrote. “I found that experiencing life on different dimensions, including knowing something about the jobs I do elsewhere, has completely erased any doubt about what happens after we leave this incarnation. Not to mention, it puts this incarnation in perspective.” That’s more of a statement than a question.

Darryl: Yes, I would agree with it. Some people—that works for some people. Some people don’t need to do that, and I’m not saying that one is better than the other. Again, it comes down to what theme someone is exploring. There are people who don’t want to know anything about their connections to other realities, other lives, or what have you. They get along just fine because they need that focus. For other people, it’s part of the expansion to be aware of those things, and I agree that it can put this experience in a different perspective that can be very expanding and very helpful for people.

So that is sort of the same spaceship that I’m in, and in that sense I find a lot of familiarity with that statement, sure.

Rick: Yeah, personally, I find it very gratifying—even if I’m not experiencing all that stuff—to realize that there’s far more to the universe than what meets our mundane senses. You know, it’s thrilling, it’s exciting.

Darryl: It is. It’s a much bigger reality than we think.

Rick: Yeah, and perhaps it also roots out the tendency to think, to say, “It’s only this.” Whenever anyone uses the word “just” or “only” about reality, you realize they’re kind of locked into a rigid view.

Darryl: Sure, yeah, and that’s okay if that’s what they need, but there is more to it than that.

Rick: There’s a line from The Incredible String Band, whom you’re probably too young to remember, but it was, “Whatever you think, it’s more than that.”

Darryl: [Chuckling] I may be older than you think.

Rick: Can’t tell with that bald head, you know? [laughing] Okay, let’s shift a little bit more. We’ve sort of been weaving around here, but let’s shift from the Darryl story to the essence and some of the details of what Bashar actually teaches. If you had to sum it up in a nutshell—the elevator-ride version of what Bashar is actually here to convey—what would it be?

Darryl: Basically, the thing that I love about Bashar’s information is that he takes a lot of [sound of dog barking in background] metaphysical concepts and really—no pun intended—brings them down to Earth, with very pragmatic and practical understandings based on physics as to why they work.

The one that I think is one of the most important things is that he talks about what everyone has now been hearing for years: follow your passion, follow your bliss, act on your highest excitement. The reason he says that is so critical is that the sensation we experience as passion, excitement, joy, creativity, or love is your body’s physical translation of the vibrational frequency of your true, natural, core being. Anytime you act on something that contains, expresses, or reflects that energy of excitement, that energy of passion, that energy of living your dreams, or bliss, you are in alignment with who you truly are.

The thing about excitement, as he explains it, is that it is a complete kit. What he means by that is that excitement and acting on it are the driving engine of your life. It is the organizing principle of your life, the path of least resistance in your life, the thread that leads to all other expressions of your excitement, and the reflective mirror that points out anything within your belief system that might be out of alignment with your excitement, so you can identify it, integrate it, and bring it back into alignment with your excitement.

So the formula he’s talking about when he says, “Yes, act on your highest excitement,” is fundamentally three parts: Act on your highest excitement to the best of your ability, without any insistence or assumption as to what the outcome of that action ought to be. Following that formula allows you to take advantage of the fact that excitement is a complete kit, and that it will bring you, synchronistically, everything you need, at the right place at the right time, to allow you to continue to expand your experience of living your excitement. It will support you however you need to be supported. But you must use the tool in the way it was designed to be used in order to get that effect.

People are still, in many ways, “practicing” the idea of really acting on your excitement and what that means, because a lot of times they forget parts of the formula, parts of the equation, such as letting go of what the outcome needs to be. Thus, they are in this state where they are learning what the physics of following your bliss is all about, and allowing their actions to really use that tool in the most precise way possible.

But I can guarantee that when you do—because I’ve experienced it myself over and over again—it does work! But you have to really use it precisely for it to work. I like that Bashar is capable of explaining why it works as an energy tool, and I think that’s probably one of the most important things he has to say and has delivered to us.

Rick: Hmm. Jim Carrey gave the commencement address here at the university in my town.

Darryl: I saw that.

Rick: Did you see that, on YouTube or something?

Darryl: It is very Bashar-like.

Rick: Oh, cool.

Darryl: Or Bashar is very Jim Carrey-like. [laughter]

I think the idea really is that when you tap into that understanding, truth is truth. You get the idea, and just about everything he expressed in that commencement speech was very much in alignment with what Bashar has been talking about for 30 years.

Rick: Yeah, he talked about how his father wanted to be a comedian, I believe. He said his father chose a job as an accountant so he could support his family. And he ended up losing his job, and the family had to struggle. So Jim Carrey said, “You can fail at what you don’t love, so you might as well take a shot at what you love.”

Darryl: Exactly! Exactly. So why not? At least you’ll be doing something you love to do. You’ll be experiencing joy and happiness no matter what happens, because it is something that is more in alignment with who you are. And really, just by doing that, you haven’t failed. In some sense, if you want to say there’s any failure at all, it’s being something that you’re not, or not being who you really are. So why not take the leap? Because it really isn’t an idea of a leap of faith; it’s really knowing that this is you and getting the reflection that that’s true.

Rick: And what would you say to a guy who, let’s say, has a family and several kids, and he’s working a job that he doesn’t particularly like, but he doesn’t have a lot of financial buffer and he has to take care of his family? He really wants to be a professional musician, but he hasn’t even begun to start moving in that direction. I mean, it could be very irresponsible for him to just drop his job and become a musician.

Darryl: Absolutely, and my response would be the same as Bashar’s response. As long as you’re holding on to a belief system that says your excitement cannot support you as well as what you’re already doing, even if it’s not what you love to do, you have to honor your belief system. Because it doesn’t serve you to jump off a cliff if you don’t believe you have a parachute. [chuckling]

By all means, you must hold on to whatever belief system you believe you need to hold on to, so you can feel comfortable, safe, and supported. But what Bashar is encouraging us to do is to recognize that you have the ability, at least sometime, to start taking action on your excitement, to the best of your ability, without any insistence on what the outcome ought to look like.

The more you are willing to at least take some steps in that direction, the more you are able to prove to yourself, eventually, that your excitement can support you. At whatever rate you are comfortable changing, you can let go of the things you don’t prefer to do and only start doing the things you do prefer to do, and see that those things can support you—maybe even better than the things you didn’t prefer to do!

But it does not do anyone any good to just jump off that cliff if they don’t really believe there is a pillow down there that they’re going to land on. So honor your belief system. Be honest with yourself—really honest with yourself—about whether you believe your excitement can support you or not. Hold on to the things that will support you until you know for a fact, for yourself, that what you’re really, truly all about is also capable of supporting you, as I said, maybe even better than what you’re doing now that you don’t prefer. But it’s got to be a balancing act.

Rick: Yeah, and the transition doesn’t have to be abrupt, necessarily.

Darryl: It can be, but it doesn’t have to be. Absolutely not.

Rick: And you might actually suck as a musician. [laughter] You have delusions of grandeur, you know?

Darryl: Exactly. That’s where the honesty comes in, and you need to drop the expectation about what you think is going to happen. Because sometimes things that excite you don’t necessarily excite you because the thing itself has to come to fruition. Sometimes you’re lured by your excitement simply because you need to move in that direction, and that’s the only carrot that would get you moving.

Rick: Yeah, maybe something else will unfold.

Darryl: Something else will unfold and may look absolutely nothing like the thing that initially lured you in that direction. That’s why it’s important to be very open about what the end result really needs to be, because the physical mind doesn’t really have the capacity to know how something actually needs to happen. Only the higher mind has that ability.

The physical mind is designed to experience what’s happening now, in the present. If you’re open to the idea that the higher mind will bring you exactly what you need in some way, shape, or form, even if it looks nothing like you expected it to look, and you go along with that and align with that, you will see that whatever comes does actually serve you and get you where you need to go, even though it might be by a completely unexpected route.

But that’s the surprise of life: not to be so rigid that you think you have all the answers about how you’re going to get somewhere. Let life show you, and let your higher mind show you the truly unexpected and surprising route that you actually will take.

Look at myself, for example. If somebody had told me 30 years ago I was going to wind up being a channel and going all around the world and channeling for thousands of people, something that presents itself as an extraterrestrial entity, I would have said they were completely out of their mind. [laughter] But just by following my excitement, with no assumption about how things were going to turn out, I’ve had a pretty unusual life, and it’s brought me some pretty extraordinary experiences that I wouldn’t necessarily have had any other way. So you have to really leave yourself open for those surprises, because that’s the joy of life, the delight in life: to find something about yourself that you didn’t even think was possible can actually happen.

Rick: Yes, it’s a great point. In my own case, very often I’ve wanted and expected and pushed to have things happen in a particular way, and it’s not working out. What actually ends up happening is far better than what I was trying for.

Darryl: Exactly, exactly. The higher mind knows what’s really best for you and what will really light you up. When the physical mind insists that it knows better, very often it falls quite short of what your higher mind could actually bring you—something that could be many, many times more enjoyable than what you thought you could ever attract.

Rick: Someone defined humility as “not insisting that things happen in any particular way.”

Darryl: Yeah.

Rick: There’s a great verse from the Bhagavad Gita, too. It says, “You have control over action alone, never over its fruits. Live not for the fruits of action, nor attach yourself to inaction.”

Darryl: Exactly. It’s exactly what Bashar says. When you act on the thing that excites you, you have to act on that thing for its own sake, not because of what you think it’s connected to, not because of where you think it’ll lead, not because of what you think it will get you. Very often, doing what excites you takes you down a very different path, but that path will always truly be in the most alignment with who you are, and it will allow you to experience the most joy in your life.

Rick: Mm-hmm. Here’s a note that I wrote down when I was listening to one of your things. It was, “Everything is God experiencing Itself as everything.” Want to comment on that?

Darryl: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it’s very similar, again, to what Bashar said. We’re made of God; we’re made of All That Is. There is nothing else but All That Is. You can say, from a certain perspective, that we are all the ways that God has of experiencing itself, in all the ways that it can—all the different perspectives, all the points of view, all the kinds of experiences that creation can have of itself.

It doesn’t take away from what we are as individual autonomous beings, but simultaneously, we are all the different perspectives that creation has of itself. So, I would agree with this statement.

Rick: Hmm, here’s another one: “Aligning with the vibration of who you actually are…” Let me tag a question onto that. Would you say that each of us, all seven billion of us, ultimately, fundamentally, are all the same person? We just referred to that when we were talking about God—we’re all the same thing. But in terms of our individuality, would you say that there’s a core, unique quality, entity, or seed of what we actually are, and we’re all aligned or misaligned to varying degrees with that? And that life is really all about getting aligned with that unique expression?

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: In addition to the universal consciousness, there’s also a sort of unique dharma or individual channel or flow through one’s life—the Tao for one’s own life—that needs to be attuned to?

Darryl: Yes. I mean, that’s the point of having the experience. It’s the theme that you’re exploring: rediscovering yourself from a different point of view. That’s, in a sense, why we forget who we are. Because if we don’t forget who we are, we can’t remember who we are from another point of view. We can’t rediscover ourselves in a unique way if we retain all the knowledge of what we are.

So we limit ourselves on purpose, in a sense, in order to have a unique experience of rediscovering ourselves in a new way. And that’s what adds to the expansion of creation: that new perspective of ourselves, that new discovery of who and what we truly are.

Rick: Kind of a cosmic game of hide-and-seek.

Darryl: Yeah, kind of, but we’re just playing it with ourselves. [Laughter]

✨ Enlightenment, identity, and ongoing growth

Rick: A lot of the people listening to this show usually focus on concepts and terms such as enlightenment, liberation, self-realization, God-realization—that’s their whole orientation. They don’t usually think much about UFOs or entities from the future and all that. But how does Bashar’s teaching segue with that whole…?

Darryl: Well, his teachings are all about enlightenment. His teachings are all about understanding and knowing the self—the true being—and knowing that you are always connected to Source, always connected to all that is, and that what you’re experiencing is just a self-created experience to rediscover yourself from a new point of view. To me, that is enlightenment, so his teachings are very much in alignment with that.

Rick: And you, of all people, should have realized the self even more so than people to whom you speak, since you live and breathe Bashar.

Darryl: Maybe. [Laughter]

Rick: So what is your experience in terms of that kind of thing: self-realization, enlightenment, God-realization?

Darryl: Oh, it’s definitely changed my life profoundly. I mean, I’m a very, very different person today than if you’d known me 30 or 35 years ago. I feel much more that I am the creator of my reality. I feel much more transparent, and much more in tune with existence itself. I see the structure more transparently every day—the underlying structure of existence itself—and things become kind of, I guess for lack of a better term, obvious.

It’s sort of like Bashar said one time: If you’re holding a red rose and somebody asks you what color the rose is, you say, “Red.” Well, is that an opinion? No, it’s an observation. So many of the things that people look at as opinions or theories, from Bashar’s perspective, the information he’s delivering is not an opinion; it’s actually an observation, because he can see the underlying structure of existence. And that’s rubbed off on me more and more and more every day.

So, certainly, I feel that life is more joyful, less effort is expended, and things happen much more synchronistically, much more magically—if you want to use that word. Sometimes the synchronicities that happen are absolutely ridiculous, one thing after another. You’ll think of one thing and, moments later, suddenly you’ll get that thing or see that thing, or it will just appear with absolutely no idea how it got there! These things are really the way life, in a sense, can be when you allow it to be that way. And I’m experiencing more and more of that every day.

Of course, again, I was born here, I was raised with belief systems similar to a lot of people’s, and with similar limitations. But again, that’s my journey: to transform those limitations in ways that are reflective of who I chose to be. I do feel that, certainly after 30 years of channeling Bashar, I’m doing that with far more ease, far more joy, and far more understanding.

Rick: Cool. In other words, you feel like you’re a work in progress, to some extent?

Darryl: Of course!

Rick: I certainly feel like everybody is. If you’re breathing, you’re still evolving [chuckling]—or even if you’re not breathing.

Darryl: Yeah, absolutely, because, you know, the idea of progress and expansion still goes on even on other levels, beyond this one. And each level has its own idea of what that expansion contains, what kind of experiences are relevant to the idea of expansion. But of course, I think everything is always a work in progress. I don’t think that ever really ends.

Rick: But I have people who say to me, “Well, if you’re really awakened, then you’re settled in some sort of ground state of existence—some unbounded awareness—and you’re just not seeking experiences anymore. There’s just this sort of complete peace and folding back into the self, from which you have no inclination to emerge, to explore different things here and there.” I don’t know that I agree, but I’m just throwing that out, you know?

Darryl: Yeah. Well, I think what we get caught in is this idea of dichotomy: things are either this or they’re that. And really, from the perspective that Bashar comes from, things are this and that. So, yes, you can get into a state of perfect peace, perfect bliss, perfect centeredness, and I would say that when you’re in that state, you actually start experiencing an unbridled curiosity to explore even more. [Rick chuckles]

Because when you’re in that state, you become more aware that there is more to explore, and that exploration doesn’t have to feel the same as it did from the other level you were just in. But I still don’t think it stops. It may not feel like an effort anymore, but I think that’s just because you become more aligned with it. It’s more representative of who you truly are, and so you don’t feel the resistance to it anymore. There’s not as much difference between you and what you’re exploring, but I don’t think you stop exploring. Because I think becoming is also the essence of being. I think it’s one and the same thing.

Rick: Hmm. I think there’s actually a Zen saying: “Always being, always becoming.”

That is the same thing. It’s this and that. Being your true self is always becoming something more, and becoming something more happens more strongly from a state of centered beingness.

Darryl: That is the same thing. It’s this and that. Being your true self is always becoming something more, and becoming something more happens more strongly from a state of centered beingness.

Rick: Very beautifully put. It’s inspiring to hear you say that. It resonates with… my orientation, anyway. And wouldn’t you say that being established in being, as we’ve been saying, doesn’t mean further exploration implies that you’re lacking fulfillment and need this, that, or the other thing in order to complete yourself? It’s more that, from a state of completion, there’s plenty of icing to add to the cake, plenty of interesting things yet to understand?

Darryl: Sure, because you could, in a sense—and I’ll use the word you used, “completion”—in a sense, you will never be complete, but you can be complete in the idea of who you are at that moment. In other words, right now, you are the absolute perfect version of whatever you are at this moment. That doesn’t mean you won’t become something else. And in that moment, you’ll be the absolute perfect version of whatever that is. That doesn’t mean you won’t become something else.

So one does not contradict the other; one doesn’t exclude the other. You can be absolutely centered and absolutely perfect for whatever you are at this moment of experiencing yourself, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you can become something else that will be equally perfect for what it is in the next moment.

Rick: Yeah, and that way of putting it has an individual connotation, but to put it slightly differently: you are the absolute, you are the ground state of the universe, but you are also an individual expression. And that individual expression has certain capabilities, proclivities, and inclinations, and those can be enjoyed and exercised.

Darryl: Yes, because that’s the point of the individual perspective. So it’s like, yes, every individual being is all that is, experiencing itself as a part of all that is. It’s one and the same, but it’s two different perspectives on the spectrum.

Rick: Yeah, okay, good! [Chuckling] Did that one. [Laughing] Moving on.

Here’s one: “Bashar was talking about parallel realities during one of his talks”—and you and I have talked about it during this interview—“is there a Hiroshima where the bomb didn’t drop?”

Darryl: Of course.

Rick: Really?

Darryl: Anything you can imagine, somewhere, somehow, it’s playing out. Now, whether it’s in the same kind of reality as ours, who’s to say? But Bashar has basically said, “You can’t imagine nonexistence. So anything that comes into your imagination is part of creation in some form or expression.”

So I would say that the example you just gave has a higher degree of being more literal, in the sense of another physical parallel reality, because it’s so similar to the one we’re experiencing. But sure. I mean, science fiction has explored this idea for a long time: things that happen in one reality can have a completely different history in another parallel reality, and still seem to be a very similar kind of Earth.

So, yeah, absolutely, there are parallel realities where that didn’t happen, parallel realities where the Nazis won World War II, parallel realities where John Kennedy is still alive, and all of the above. Because there are an infinite number of those experiences, so sure.

Rick: Seems like they would diverge quite dramatically over time if certain things didn’t happen, you know?

Darryl: Yeah, right, exactly. So that’s the whole point of having an infinite creation: you can experience every single possible variation there is to experience, and it is being experienced by some aspect of all that is. And it’s just as real to them as we feel we are real.

How reality and space travel work

Rick: Okay, here’s another one sent in by somebody: “Bashar talked about how time and space in our reality are created frame by frame,” and I know this guy—he’s a friend of ours who has computer expertise—so he says, “That would take an unbelievably large amount of computing power, processing power, especially at very high frame rates.” [Laughter]

Darryl: Well, yes, but we are that powerful. Creation is that powerful, but at the same time, it’s also exceedingly economical. In essence, again, this is a case of not “this or that,” but “this and that.” Yes, the idea that there are billions of frames per second creating the illusion of our movement and our physical reality, and that time and space are side effects of our consciousness shifting through those billions of frames per second, like a projector light projecting through different frames on a film strip to project an illusion of movement on a screen—you could say yes, that’s one way to look at how the idea of physical reality is created.

At the same time, no pun intended, there is only one moment in existence. Everything is always now, but it’s the same moment from a different perspective. So, in a sense, it’s this, and it’s also that. The fact that there’s only one moment means that there doesn’t have to be an incredible amount of computing power, because there really is only one moment being looked at from a number of different perspectives, at a very high frame rate. But the frame rate is a perspective of a particular reality, so it creates the illusion of a need for a lot of computing power, which may not actually be necessary.

You’re looking at it from two different perspectives, so you’re using the terminology and the language of two different perspectives. It’s true to say there’s a high degree of frame rate and a high degree of computing power from this perspective, but from the other perspective, where there’s only a single moment in existence, no computing power is needed. So it’s just, again, on that sliding scale of how you want to look at the idea that determines the terminology and the process that you believe is necessary to understand that perspective, if that makes sense.

But yes, looking at it linearly, Bashar has said, “Time is a side effect of our consciousness shifting through billions of parallel reality frames per second, and that’s what creates the illusion of time, space, movement, and change.” In fact, everything is just all happening at once. It’s all just one big frozen moment in which everything exists holographically, but we are capable of creating an experience of looking at it from different perspectives in a linear sequence. But that’s just an illusory perspective.

Rick: So we’re like movie projectors, which take the film going through many frames and turn it into an intelligible movie.

Darryl: Yes, yes, and all frames exist at the same time, as the projectionist knows.

Rick: So, using the movie metaphor with a movie film—in fact, I watched a thing on CNN last night about the Kennedy assassination. They took the Zapruder film, and you could see frame by frame, [speaking slowly] by frame, what was happening. So if you take a single frame of these billions of frames per second that you say is the nature of our reality—I don’t know if this is a meaningful question, but what would that frame consist of?

Darryl: It would consist of a potential that has no experience and is timeless. There is no experience, no change, no variation in that. It’s a frozen snapshot.

Rick: Is it like trillions of atoms in my fingertip, all with their electrons just poised at a certain point, and then the next frame is that the electrons have shifted slightly to their next point?

Darryl: You can look at it from an animation point of view and say that is true as well. At the same time, you also have to realize that the atoms you’re talking about are also frames. Because there really aren’t different atoms; it’s all one thing expressing itself as different atoms.

So it depends on the perspective you’re looking at it from as to whether it looks like millions of different atoms or whether it just looks like one concept of potentiality. It’s really just about perspective. You can frame it, you can describe it with any kind of terminology you want, as long as you understand that that terminology is just where you are on the sliding scale of “everything exists now” to “there’s an infinite experience of time and space.” It’s just different perspectives of the same thing.

So yes, you can describe it the way you described it, and that’s perfectly valid from a point of view. It doesn’t discount any other way of describing it on that timeline.

Rick: One other thing to throw into the mix here, and perhaps you can comment on it, is that physicists tell us that we shouldn’t stop at atoms in our analysis of the universe. If we keep going deeper, we get down to subatomic particles, or get more and more to the point where there’s nothing of any material nature. And, you know, if string theory is correct, we eventually get down to these vibrating strings, which are just potentialities with no physical components whatsoever. And that’s really what the universe is: this nonphysical field of potentiality, or it appears to be physical…

Darryl: Or even something simpler than that. One of the things that Bashar has talked about from his perspective—if you want to say it’s a simpler version than that—is what he calls the “Prime Radiant.” That’s how it translates into our language. Basically, he’s saying, all right, he still needs to, for the purpose of the conversation, talk about this as if it is either a wave or a particle, so he’s clear about the fact that he’s simply using analogous terms.

But what he’s describing is a thought experiment. Basically, he’s saying, “Imagine this. This isn’t necessarily, absolutely representative of what reality is, but it’s an analogy that can help us. If you imagine that there’s only a single particle in an infinite void of emptiness, and there’s nothing else in that void, just that single particle, well, there are no laws of physics here. The particle is not beholden to do anything, because it’s just hanging in an infinite void, and there are no limitations on it.

“So if there are no limitations on it, that particle could actually move at infinite speed. There’s no speed-of-light law going on here. So if a particle can move at infinite speed, that means it can actually be everywhere at once in that infinite void. And being so fast that it can actually appear everywhere would create the illusion that there are a number of different particles, when in fact it’s all the same particle appearing next to itself over and over again so quickly that you can’t tell it’s the same, single particle.”

Bashar is basically saying that’s a better analogy, and it actually is a physical analogy of how we are all one. He’s basically saying, if you want to even think about it as a particle, you’re actually all made out of the same one particle. Not the same kind of particle, but literally the same one particle, in the ultimate timesharing framework. Every single particle in me is literally the same particle you are made of. So that’s the way they choose to look at it, as an analogy in the physics context, in the quantum context, if you will.

Rick: I’ve actually heard physicists, as I understood them, say those very same things, too. So it’s not an unheard-of notion.

Darryl: Right.

Rick: I know you’ve talked about this in other Bashar sessions, but we introduced this interview talking about the fact that you saw spaceships. And there are some people who say, “Oh, that wouldn’t be possible because it’s, you know, so many light-years,” and “How could they get here?” and all that business. So maybe just dispel that.

Darryl: Yeah, I think that’s really kind of an idea that’s on its way out at this point. I think there are even now physicists coming up with an understanding and formulas for how there are ways around that idea. There are ways of contracting space, warping space, and so on, that don’t violate the speed of light; they just get around it. Space itself can actually expand at any rate it wants to. It’s not subject to the speed of light, because light exists within that space. But, in a sense, the idea of space-time is above and beyond that, so it really has no limitation on it in terms of how fast it can expand.

I think there are civilizations that have learned this trick. And although Bashar, in describing how their spaceships get here from another dimension or travel light-years in the blink of an eye, has expressed a very unique and very different understanding of how that works, he’s basically saying that we think of an object as existing in a location. His perspective is that location is actually one of the variables of the object.

In other words, if you have an object here, and then it moves to here, this represents two completely different, let’s say, vibrational equations. They may be very subtly different, but they’re different. If you could isolate the locational x, y, z variable in the object here and impose on it, somehow, the locational variable of here, then the object has to stop existing here and just instantaneously start existing here, without actually having traveled in between.

That’s how their spaceships work. If they’re in one location in their solar system and they simply impose upon the ship and everyone in it an overwhelming energy frequency that is representative of the locational variable in the equation of our solar system, their ship just pops out of existence in their system and pops into existence in ours. They haven’t violated the speed of light because they actually haven’t traveled in normal space-time; they just redefined the locational variable.

Again, if everything actually exists all at once, that means it potentially exists everywhere at once. So what they’re doing is taking advantage of redefining that variable, to stop existing here and just start existing here. That’s how their ships travel. Again, I think a lot of physicists on our planet are beginning to get the idea that “you can’t get there from here,” or “you can’t get here from there,” is a very outmoded idea. We’re actually learning now, even in our own science, that that is possible and how to do that.

Rick: Let’s say they’re 300 light-years away. How did they know how to fine-tune the locational variables so precisely that they don’t accidentally end up manifesting in the middle of the sun or something like that? [Laughter]

Darryl: Well, the basic idea is practice! [Laughter]

Rick: Practice could be rather disastrous. [Laughter]

Darryl: Well, yeah, they actually have had a long time to get used to this idea, like any technology. I remember Bashar talking at one point about the fact that, in the beginning, when they were learning this technology, they did lose people.

Rick: Like our airplanes, you know—the Wright brothers, in the early days, a lot of airplanes crashed.

Darryl: Exactly. So they’ve had to have their tests and perfect this technology for themselves, but they’ve also had thousands of years to do that. At this point, it’s not impossible that they still might go astray now and then, but I think they’ve probably reduced that probability to a very small fraction of a percentage. They understand how to chart the universe as a series of vibrational equations, so basically now I think it’s just relatively formulaic for them to do this.

Rick: So if they wanted to chart a particular galaxy that they hadn’t visited yet, they’d have a way of charting that remotely before actually teleporting themselves to it?

Darryl: Yeah, they can extrapolate from the map they already have as to what the likely frequencies are over there, at least enough to probably get close, then perhaps refine it from that point forward.

Rick: A friend overheard me yesterday at the grocery store, talking about the fact that I was going to interview you, and he got very excited and sent in a question here that’s related to the topic we’re talking about, which is going to seem pretty far out to some people, but whatever. [Laughter] Take it or leave it. He said, “I am already teleporting in my sports car.” In other words, he says, “I can jump 40 or 50 miles.” And I say, “You sure you’re not just spacing out?” But he said, “I’m wondering if there’s a similarity in teleporting in a spaceship as the Yaya do?” [Rick tries to pronounce it correctly] Whoever they are? [Chuckling]

Darryl: Yes, Yaya. It’s another civilization Bashar has talked about, but yes. I would actually say yes, it’s identical, if that is actually happening. In fact, again, based on what we were talking about before, it’s actually what we’re doing all the time when we even experience any movement at all, because in a sense we’re jumping from one frame to another. There’s no intervening traveling; we’re just jumping from one frame to another. All that Bashar’s people are doing is doing it over a larger number of frames.

Rick: So you don’t have any problem with believing that he actually may be teleporting in his sports car? You knew people who actually do that sort of thing?

Darryl: I actually do know people who have done it. It’s not something that happens regularly. I’ve experienced it in my life once. I know someone else who did experience it more than once. They were—let’s see, how can I describe what happened to them? They were in an apartment with a roommate. They were standing in the bathroom, brushing their hair in the mirror. It was a small apartment. There was no way to get from the bathroom to the kitchen without going through the living room. The roommate was in the kitchen. The person walked into the living room and into the bathroom to talk to her roommate. When she got to the bathroom, the roommate wasn’t there. The roommate suddenly realized that they were standing in front of the fridge, in the kitchen, with the hairbrush in her hand, staring at the fridge, wondering how she got into the kitchen. [Rick chuckling]

The roommate came back into the kitchen and said, “How the hell did you get past me and into the kitchen?” She said, “I don’t know.” So I know that’s one strong example where there was corroboration that the person actually popped from the bathroom to the kitchen with no intervening traveling.

I experienced this once in my life when I was with a friend up near San Francisco. They were supposed to meet me—pick me up—and we were going to lunch in a nearby small town. Now, neither of us knew anything about this area. I’d never been there before; she had never been there before. So when she came to the hotel and picked me up, we went to the front desk and said, “How do we get to this town?” The person at the front desk gave us very simple, very direct instructions on how to get to this town to have lunch. We followed the directions to a T, got to the town, and had lunch.

On the way back, we reversed the directions and suddenly realized we were several miles north of where we should be, and it didn’t make any sense. So we turned around, got back on the road, went back to the hotel, and said, “Now wait a minute. How did that happen?” We followed the directions again to retrace our steps to see what had happened, and we realized that the person at the front desk had given us the wrong directions. There was absolutely no way we could have followed those directions and gotten to that town, but we did.

So in that instance, we knew by proving it to ourselves that somehow we had just believed her directions so strongly that it didn’t matter that they were wrong; we still got where we needed to be. And the directions were just too simple to have made a mistake; it was literally just one off-ramp away. So I had the experience myself of that whole slippage of space and time that is possible when you’re in the proper altered state.

Rick: I’m sure that cynics, as we defined them in the beginning, would feel that there were a lot of alternative explanations for what you just described, but I would encourage cynics to keep an open mind.

Darryl: Oh, of course. But that’s why we were skeptical, because we couldn’t believe that that had actually happened. That’s why we actually followed the directions again, but we absolutely proved to ourselves that there was no way we could have gotten to the town by actually following her directions, now that we knew the layout of the land. It was only because we had no clue whether her directions were right or wrong that we actually wound up getting to the town following her directions. But her directions were wrong, and it was absolutely too simple to have made a mistake.

Rick: This fellow further asks, “I’m wondering if the ability to teleport in a car opens an energy in the collective consciousness of the planet that will allow teleporting of the Yaya here in their spaceships?”

Darryl: Yes, because anytime anyone exhibits any example that stretches the boundaries of what we think is possible, I think that adds something to the collective energy that makes it more possible for other people. I think this is what people generally refer to as the “100th monkey syndrome.” So there is a collective consciousness, I believe, and when you do something in that—when you do break a barrier—I do think you actually kind of set up, let’s say, an energetic lubricant that makes it easier for people to slide along that same path again and again and again.

Rick: Yeah. Another question he has: “Do you have any more information about teleportation that you have not put in your previous YouTube posts?” Anything new?

Darryl: No, it’s really just about state of being. It’s really about letting go of preconceptions. It’s really about expanding your understanding that you actually are already, in a sense, everywhere all at once, and just sort of reidentifying your perspective from another point of view.

Finding a positive perspective and choosing your experience

Rick: Okay. So, is Bashar an optimist? [Laughter] I know there are a lot of dire situations right now on the planet, and it almost seems to be heating up, getting more and more dire. And the heating up, literally, with the global warming thing—and also, geez, I mean, what’s going on in Syria and Iraq right now, and all kinds of things.

Darryl: I mean, he’s not… You say he’s an optimist—yes, I could say he’s an optimist because he’s always looking at how this situation, regardless of how it looks, can deliver a positive outcome for you, a positive point of view, a positive experience. He will always look at it from a positive point of view. At the same time, that doesn’t mean he’s in denial about recognizing that many of these situations have been created from a negative point of view. But just because he observes that we may have created things from a negative perspective doesn’t mean we still can’t reverse them and turn it around and get a positive result from this.

So he’s encouraging us to redefine these things in a positive way. For example, he understands that there’s a lot of struggle and strife, war and conflict, and so on, but he says, “Here’s another way to look at it: You’re accelerating these things on your planet. You’re bringing more and more and more and more out into the open so that you can decide that you don’t prefer this anymore. You’re giving yourself more examples of negativity to make yourselves so sick and tired of it that you finally start choosing only positivity.”

So from his perspective, that’s a positive way to look at the negativity we’ve created: we’re getting it all out on the table. We’re now able to see it all in front of us and have a dialogue between all of us: “Is this really the direction we want to go in? Is this what we prefer?” Yes or no? And if it’s no, how can we do something about it? How can we really change this? How can we make a difference in a positive direction?

So he’s basically saying that all the negativity coming up, bubbling up to the surface now, is us getting all our fears on the table, really examining our fears, and finally deciding to let those fears go, so we can actually have a reality like we say we prefer to have. So he’s looking at it as an opportunity to be more in control, more responsible, more self-empowered, and make decisions that are more in alignment with who we really prefer to be.

Rick: Okay. This question is related to what you just said and perhaps will bring out another flavor of it: “Does Bashar concur with the notion that the planet, as a conscious entity, Gaia, is waking up, and all the beings on it are waking up? And that it’s kind of like when a dog wakes up and starts scratching its fleas, and it starts to get a little turbulent for the fleas? You know, things were kind of peaceful when the dog was asleep. But now things are beginning to really shake…”

Darryl: Sure, we’re shaking ourselves awake.

Rick: Yeah, there are certain things which really don’t belong on the planet, which need to be somehow removed or purged, and the purging process is not necessarily going to be smooth for those who are committed to those things. It may seem things are really getting crazy, but it’s actually something good happening if you zoom out to see a big enough picture.

Darryl: Yes, and another way, again, is to go back to the idea of infinite parallel versions of Earth. Because Bashar is basically saying, “It’s not that you’re changing the world you’re on; it’s that you’re changing yourself and shifting to a parallel version of Earth that is already more reflective of the change you made within yourself.”

Rick: Ahhh!

Darryl: So the people that are staying, let’s say, locked into the idea of resistance and negativity are simply shifting to versions of Earth that are more and more reflective of struggle, strife, and negativity, and may experience disastrous transformations. People that are shifting in a positive way, are more in alignment with themselves, are going to experience themselves shifting to versions of Earth that are already more reflective of that idea.

And so the people, ultimately, who are no longer vibrationally compatible with being in alignment with yourself may start to disappear from our lives, and vice versa, over time. And as we shift to more and more and more diverse versions of the Earth that already exist, it’s more like that rather than changing the world you’re on. Because that version of Earth will always exist, because everything always exists. It’s just a matter of what neighborhood do you want to live in, what Earth do you want to live on, and changing yourself so that you shift to a reality that is more representative of that change within you.

Rick: Yeah, I can see two interpretations of what you just said. One is that one might be undergoing a spiritual awakening, an upwelling of more bliss, consciousness, all that, and might be feeling like, “Wow, life is really getting good for me,” and yet at the same time, all hell could be breaking loose in various places around the world. The economies could be collapsing and so on, but from one’s own perspective, life is really getting quite heavenly. That’s one interpretation.

Another is that, as we finish these lifetimes in these bodies, are you saying that perhaps people who are really attached to one version of Earth will take rebirth in a version of Earth that’s more in tune with their proclivities, whereas those who are going the other way will take birth in a different version, a much more positive, heavenly version?

Darryl: Yes.

Rick: Okay.

Darryl: And everything in between. Yeah, so there’s any number of varieties that one could choose to dwell on according to which way you want to steer the boat.

An infinite number of experiences on an infinite number of realities. That’s really what it comes down to: choose what works for you.

Rick: Do you yourself do some kind of spiritual exercise other than channeling Bashar?

Darryl: No, not so much, because the channeling process—the experience of being in that altered state—is, for me, extremely intense and extremely capable of delivering a lot of information, a lot of perspectives, a lot of concepts. And I find that that’s really what works for me.

Now, I guess you could say that in making films, that’s my way of expressing my excitement. That’s my way of putting myself, as myself, into that state of acting on my bliss and then expressing what Bashar is talking about in my reality. So I suppose you could say filmmaking is my other way of being in the state where I’m expressing these things in my life as the person that I am.

🧘 Practices as permission slips

Rick: Does Bashar offer practices that other people can do on a daily basis?

Darryl: He does, he does, but he refers to all such practices as “permission slips.” Basically, what he’s saying is: all tools, all techniques, all rituals, all formats, and all objects are basically permission slips that we’re using. We’re attracting ourselves to these tools, these techniques, these rituals, because they happen to be in alignment with the belief system that we have. And for some reason in our belief system, we believe we need to use this tool to give ourselves permission to be more of who we are.

It’s not that the permission slip itself—the ritual, the practice, the object—is really doing it. We’re doing it, but for some reason, our belief system says we need this thing in order to give ourselves permission to be more of who we are. And that’s fine. But basically, what that means is any permission slip can work. They’re all valid.

If you think religion is your permission slip, that’s fine. If you think Tarot cards are your permission slip, that’s fine. If you think crystals are your permission slip, that’s fine. If you think nothing is your permission slip, that’s fine. But they’re all permission slips because they’re all representative of what your belief system is in alignment with, and what will allow you to relax a limitation and give yourself permission to be more of who you are.

So anything will work, and if you’re attracted to it, you’re attracted to it for a reason. It’s probably indicative of where you are in your belief system and what ritual will work best for you at that moment. That’s why you’re attracted to it. And if you change your mind tomorrow and are attracted to something else, that’s because you’ve changed, and now you’re attracted to a different permission slip.

But ultimately, the idea is to understand that they are just permission slips, and you don’t need any of them to give yourself permission to be more of who you are. It can just be a decision; that can be a sufficient permission slip.

Rick: Yeah, so in a way, that’s subtly dismissive of the value of practices and techniques, but at the same time, it also endorses them if you feel attracted to them. He’s not saying, “Well, go ahead and do it if you feel attracted, but you really don’t need it.”

Darryl: No. No, no, no. He’s not dismissing it, because he’s valuing the belief system that believes that that’s what will work, that that’s the process, because, again, the experience and the process is the point.

So it’s not dismissive. It’s just saying it’s okay to use those things, because that’s the process you’ve decided you require to have this experience of yourself, and that’s absolutely valid. He’s also looking simultaneously at the underlying mechanism that creates that experience. So he’s revealing the simplicity of the mechanism without invalidating the experience, and at the same time simply saying that when you achieve a higher level of understanding, you realize, as part of your valid process, that you don’t necessarily need that permission slip anymore.

In the same way that, as an adult, you don’t need the same kind of things you needed as a kid, that doesn’t invalidate the fact that you needed them as a kid. It doesn’t dismiss them; it’s what got you to where you are, to the point where you realize you don’t need those things anymore.

Rick: Yeah, if you’re crossing a river in a boat—you’re saying “Exactly” in the background—you kind of need the boat when you’re in the middle of the river, but when you get to the other shore, the boat is not needed anymore. In fact, if you keep clinging to the boat, you’re kind of not able to enjoy the shore, right? [Chuckling]

Darryl: Yeah, so it’s not a dismissive thing; it’s simply: right place, right time, this is what you need now. And then you get to a point where you don’t need that anymore, because this is how it works.

Rick: Yeah, okay, that’s good. So, we’ve been going on for almost two hours. This is great. I really appreciate this discussion.

Darryl:[Chuckling] Time flies!

Rick: Yeah. Is there anything else that you feel is important that I haven’t thought to ask you that you want people to hear?

Darryl: You know, the idea of what I do, like I said, on my own as a filmmaker. We’re in the middle now of doing a Bashar documentary. My production company, Zia Films, has done another film called Dearly Departed, which is an exploration of the idea of the afterlife.

So this is what excites me. It’s what gives me joy, gets me acting on my bliss to my highest ability. And as an example in that sense, I would absolutely, certainly encourage everyone, at whatever rate they’re comfortable with, to act on their highest joy, because it is exceedingly rewarding.

Yes, there are going to be challenges. Yes, absolutely, there are going to be things that might turn you inside out. But if you always know that whatever is happening can be used in a positive way, and you always give it a positive reason, from personal experience in making the movies that we’ve made, I can guarantee you that by staying in that state, you will always get a positive outcome that’s many times better than you imagined. It just always works that way.

So, in following my own bliss, I can definitely say that Bashar’s principles do work when you apply them. And I would encourage everyone, to the best of their ability, to act on their highest dreams, because that’s really what you’re all about.

Rick: Will these movies be available in theaters? On YouTube? On Netflix?

Darryl:Dearly Departed is now available on Gaiam TV and through FastSpring. They can go to our Ziafilms.com website and order Dearly Departed if they’re interested in that. Of course, they can also go to Bashar.org to order any of the recordings that have been made of Bashar events.

We are planning to present the Bashar documentary, which is called First Contact, to film festivals to see if we can actually get a distributor to put it into theaters first, before we go to DVD. And Zia Films, as its own production company, has many projects that we’re creating and developing that will get out there on TV or in theaters, or in some way, shape, or form. But yes, they can find out what we’ve already done on Ziafilms.com or Bashar.org.

Rick: And I’ll link to this stuff from your page on BATGAP.com.

Darryl: Okay, thank you.

Rick: So people won’t have to know how to spell it or anything. They can follow those links.

Darryl:[Chuckling] Thank you.

Rick: The friend who was asking me about teleporting in his car was also asking whether you do private sessions—Bashar does private sessions—that you can get together with people somehow, either in person or over Skype, or whatever.

Darryl: No, I only do them in person at this point because of the way my schedule is in terms of film production. But all of that information, as to how to set up a private session, is just based on availability on my schedule, and that can all be found through the Bashar.org website.

Rick: Okay, so they’d come to L.A. or wherever you’re gonna be?

Darryl: They would have to; they would have to be in L.A. I actually don’t usually have time when we go to other nearby cities to do private sessions. And because of my production schedule at the moment, we’re not actually traveling to cities that are farther away from L.A. than I can fly up in the morning, do the session, and fly back the same night.

At this point, film production is keeping me as close to L.A. as possible. But we are doing things in San Francisco, we’re doing things in Orange County, and we sometimes go as far as perhaps Arizona. So they can, again, find our schedule on Bashar.org, where Bashar events will be, but private sessions will need to be in Los Angeles, yes.

Rick: Do you mind my asking how much the private sessions cost?

Darryl: Private sessions are $300 for an hour, for one, two, or three people.

Rick: Okay, good. When you do travel places—well, they’ll get it all on Bashar.org. If they want to find out your schedule, if you happen to be speaking in New York or something.

Darryl: Yes, it’s all on the website.

Rick: Do you have some kind of newsletter people can sign up for to be notified of things like that?

Darryl: Yes, again, that’s all through the Bashar website.

Rick: Good. Well, we’ll link to all that. Well, thanks, this has been great.

Darryl: Yes, this has been fun.

Rick: Let me make a few concluding remarks of a general nature that I always make. I’ve been speaking with Darryl Anka, who channels Bashar. You know that by now [chuckling] if you’ve been watching this. And we’ll be linking to all his things—his films, Bashar.org, anything else he wants to have linked to—you’ll find it on his page at BATGAP.com. B-A-T-G-A-P.

So, if you happen to be listening to this in an audio file that someone sent you, or seeing it on YouTube, if you go to BATGAP.com, you’ll find sort of a mothership of all these interviews that I’ve been doing. There are about 230 of them so far. There’s a place there to sign up to be notified by email every time a new one is posted. There’s a discussion group that is set up for each interview, specific to that interview.

There is a link to an audio podcast, so you could subscribe on iTunes and listen to it on an iPod or some such device. There is a donate button, which I appreciate people clicking if they have the wherewithal. That’s the sole means of support for this whole enterprise. Thanks again, Darryl.

Darryl: Thank you very much. I really appreciate you having me on the show. And thank you for the work you do, so that information like this can get out to people. I really appreciate that.

Rick: Yeah, next week I’ll be interviewing Richard Lang, who is a protégé of Douglas Harding, who had a teaching called “The Headless Way.” And I believe the week after that is Peter Russell, a scientist who’s written all kinds of great books that I’ve been a fan of over the years. So thanks for listening or watching, and we’ll see you next time.

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