The Illusion of Cause and Effect and the Fall of Doership
Lisa Cairns speaks with Rick Archer about awakening, the end of doership, and the way suffering softens when the belief in a separate self begins to fall away. She describes how her seeing changed after meeting Tony Parsons, spending time with Ramesh Balsekar, and living with Roger Castillo in Australia, where many assumptions were seen through and the seeker eventually dropped away.
This conversation goes deep into the illusion of cause and effect, the difference between description and prescription, and why life feels so different when it is no longer interpreted through concepts, blame, or personal control. Lisa also speaks about relative and absolute truth, the role of teachers and practices, the energy of seeking, and the spontaneous intelligence that seems to orchestrate the mind-body system.
This interview offers a clear and lively exploration of freedom, happiness, and the hilarity of ego from a nondual perspective.
Website: lisacairns.com
Interview recorded 1/7/2012
Lisa in BatGap discussion with Tim Freke
YouTube Video Chapters:
- 00:00:00 – A De-scription, Not a Pre-scription
- 00:03:49 – The Illusion of Cause and Effect
- 00:07:20 – Living without Concepts and Belief Systems
- 00:10:50 – Animal Cruelty and Personal Concern
- 00:13:35 – The Funny Story of How I Met My Boyfriend Roger
- 00:16:28 – From Buddhism to Tony Parsons
- 00:19:40 – The Illusion of Cause and Effect
- 00:23:11 – The Need to Hold onto Blame, Good and Bad Perspectives
- 00:26:52 – Indifference towards the opinions of others
- 00:30:43 – Life Showing What Needs to Be Happening
- 00:33:37 – Enlightenment and Spiritual Practice
- 00:37:09 – The Illusion of Happiness and Beliefs
- 00:40:59 – The End of the Urge to Do
- 00:44:51 – The Falling Away of Beliefs and Ideas
- 00:48:20 – The Dog’s Thoughts
- 00:52:05 – The Spotlight on Experiences
- 00:55:24 – The Marvelous Creation of God
- 00:59:00 – Continuous Refinement and Exploration
- 01:02:48 – The Energy of Seeking
- 01:05:44 – The Joy of Laughing with Others
- 01:08:56 – The Awakening and Separation
- 01:12:08 – Overwhelmed by the Beauty of Everything
- 01:15:20 – A Radical Change of Perspective
- 01:18:52 – Exiting the Incubator
- 01:22:11 – The Intelligence Orchestrating the Mind-Body System
- 01:24:33 – Flexibility and Freedom in Being
- 01:27:44 – The Hilarity and Suffering of the Ego
- 01:30:47 – The Metaphor of Lines on Stone, Sand, Water, and Air
- 01:33:53 – Consultations and Donations
- 01:36:53 – The Challenges of Managing Time
- 01:39:29 – Visit BATGAP.com
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