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Jane Anderson-Ross Interview

Rick Archer: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer and Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of interviews with spiritually Awakening people. There have been well over 300 of them now and if you’re new to this, go to batgap.com, check out the past interviews menu and you’ll see them categorized and organized in various ways. Also, this show is dependent upon the support of appreciative viewers and listeners. So if you feel inclined to support it, there’s a “Donate” button there.  My guest today is Jane Anderson-Ross. Hi, Jane.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Hi.

Rick Archer: Jane is a wife, mother, and grandmother currently living in Rochester, New York. She was raised in the Jersey suburb of Philadelphia. She always had the gifts of love and compassion, even as a young child felt that her life was to help others heal. But in 1988, during the throes of her own trials and difficulties, Jane had a transformation that was prompted by a singular prayer. She surrendered to the Divine Creator and asked, let me be your eyes, your ears, your hands and your heart. From that prayer came what she can only describe as a rebirth, a profound transformation with a pure Divine Directive. However, still very much Jane, she continued on as a devoted wife and mother of two babies. What became extraordinary to her though, was the Divine events, healings, and transformations that touched not only her own life, but that many others who came into contact with her. Nevertheless, Jane’s love, humility, and simplicity never wavered, and she decided to enter into the field of Holistic Healing Arts. She began sharing her gifts through a spiritually based newsletter, which included divinely inspired writings and poetry. Later, she added more formal professional training became a Shiatsu in Thai massage therapist, Reiki Master, aromatherapy and naturopathic esthetician. Other modalities included ancient palmistry and psychic mediumship. Jane is happy to share her story with all who ask and feels that her expression is best stated by the following: It matters not what we do, but from but where we come whilst doing it. But from, but from where we come whilst doing it. Let me read that again. It matters not what we do, but from where we come whilst doing it. Okay, great. Well, thanks, Jane. That gave everybody a little bit of a synopsis. And where would you like to pick up the story? And instead, I just want to say that, you know, a lot of people on who come on to the show are pretty well known. And they’ve written books, and, and so on. And, and but the original intention of the show was an effect, the subtitle of the show is interviews with spiritually with ordinary spiritually Awakening people. And sometimes people even grumble that I have all these famous people on, what happened the ordinary people? So you’d sort of fall into the, I mean, yeah, as I was about to say, and as Irene just said, we can, I consider everybody ordinary, I mean, we all perform the same bodily functions. But it’s nice to have somebody on the show from time to time who, you know, isn’t well known. And because I think people can sometimes relate to it better. Sometimes there’s an aura of specialness around somebody like Eckhart Tolley, or Deepak Chopra, or something like that. But, you know, we all put our pants on one leg at a time if we wear pants and, and so on. Definitely, yeah. So anyway, where should we pick up the story?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Um, well, I just want to thank you for what you do, first of all, and also, I really liked listening to what you read about my bio, and it touched me. I haven’t read it in a long time. And Charles helped me write it.

Rick Archer: Oh, good.

Jane Anderson-Ross: And it just, it touches my heart again and again. And that’s probably my whole embodiment is how I’m touching someone’s heart. I mean, just saying that makes me feel that emotion. I think that’s where we all connect, in this journey, no matter what we’re doing. And for me, my journey has always been about simplicity. And I think what happened to me in ’88, came from embodying simplicity, innocence, and some level of purity. Because before I had this awakening, I think it’s hard to say what you are when you are it. Do you know what I mean? But I perceived myself through myself, as a pretty pure hearted being, child, and finding myself very sensitive. Not really understanding maybe, how other children were treating other children or I sort of was always connected to nature and always looking up at the sky. And, but you know, I was out there playing hard and climbing trees, but then I would sit in the trees.

Rick Archer: Yeah.

Jane Anderson-Ross: And I would commune with the trees. And I have had friends that do that, too. I mean, a lot of us did that back in that day and time, wish, wish people would do it more. And-

Rick Archer: Did you have much of a religious upbringing?

Jane Anderson-Ross: My mother was turned off by the church, and we were raised Catholic, so I didn’t. So mine was pretty much just being in nature and my own connection. But I did have a reentry into our religious upbringing when my mother came to her own spiritual awakening. But it was a little, it was different than mine, because it was within her paradigm of Catholicism.

Rick Archer: There seems to be something in your bloodlines, because your cousin also had an awakening, which we’re going to talk about. So that’s, I think that’s actually kind of interesting and significant, you mentioned purity. And, you know, there’s that, saying, in the Bible, the sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons or some such thing that, that there can be a certain degree of purity or impurity in and that it can actually be passed on from generation to generation. And of course, one can work, work through it if something negative has been passed on, but, but often, you do find that there’s a correlation between parents who have, not always but sometimes, parents who have a spiritual awakening or a spiritual inclination or something. And then children who also do like the specialness kind of is handed down.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah, I would think that I would cling to anything that had to do with love…

Rick Archer:  As a child?

Jane Anderson-Ross: And…yes. And so that part of what I saw in the religion, my eyes were always fixed on where love was coming from. As a child, about five years old. One of the pivotal things that I remember is going to the doctors, I love the doctors-

Rick Archer: Really?

Jane Anderson-Ross: In a sense that I loved what they were doing, how they were reaching people and helping I mean, I had such a, you know, what was I doing all day, I wasn’t doing very much, but I really enjoyed that healing aspect. I think that’s why my life gravitated to that. We can talk about later how it became instrumental and more professional. But anyway, I used to tell my mother, very expressively, like achingly, that I love people. I love them so much. And I want to be a doctor. But I said, but the kind of doctor I’ll be, will be someone that goes door to door helping people, but I won’t charge them any money. And I was so passionate about that. And I understood it later.

Rick Archer: That’s nice. There are some medical traditions, I think maybe China and India or at least  they used to be, where the doctors got paid, as long as people were healthy when when people got sick, the doctor stopped getting paid.

Jane Anderson-Ross: I agree with that.

Rick Archer: Interesting. So in 1988, are there more significant things we should touch upon before 1988?

Jane Anderson-Ross: So when my mother had her awakening, we didn’t really know about it, except that I just wanted to touch in on that religious aspect.

Rick Archer: Yeah, sure.

Jane Anderson-Ross: We were brought in to the church. So suddenly, in Catholic Church, you have, we had our baptism, we missed the Holy Communion for Catholics out there. And our confirmation in my case, because I was 11, I think at that time. And what happened was, I was excited to be in this place where people were talking about love, like in a community. Because earlier in my life, I had sensed love. I was connected to love. I was in nature with that. And, and here was me and some of my classmates in this catechism type thing talking about, singing about loving each other, sharing each other’s burdens, sharing each other’s joys. And usually, you know, the boys were usually like trying to push you out of the way to get in line. So I’m like, this is like, what I’ve been looking for, this is it, you know, and so I was very grateful about that. But then it’s sort of petered into teenage years.

Rick Archer: Yeah.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Which has its own interesting plays.  And but what- about 13, I was very attracted to and God knows where it came from, Carlos Castaneda, my first book outside of the storybooks that you would have to read was the teachings of Don Juan.

Rick Archer: Right. Impressive- 13. Yeah, yeah.

Jane Anderson-Ross: And I don’t know if I should say it or not. But I, I actually felt this lift and I felt like I could fly. And I only had a one story bedroom, I, we a two story house and I, I jumped out, I remember, my father got mad. It wasn’t much of a jump for tree climbing people like me. But well, there

Rick Archer: was a thing at the end of one of customers books where he jumped off a cliff. And that was the end of the book. And you had to wait till the next book to see what was going to happen. And I really, I hope not too many people actually tried that. It sounds like you did.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah, I did. And who knows, maybe it was sort of like you, you know, as you bring up maybe an initiation or sort of a passage into, into trying to understand whatever it is that I was trying to understand about who I’ll be or who I am.

Rick Archer: Did you kind of expect you’re gonna fly when he jumped out the window? No,

Jane Anderson-Ross: no. But anyway, so what’s interesting is, this is pivotal. Because I started getting my mother would cut her hair back in the day, and I would get my hair cut. So I kind of get my hair cut mom getting teased at a little at a salon. And there are these really cool ladies that work. They’re sort of hippie, ladies. And I remember having sort of therapy sessions, you know, with your hair dresser for the first time, and another adult and someone who was open and someone who seems somewhat esoteric, if I could imagine what that would have been at that age. And what was interesting is that years later, I lost track with her and grew up I was about in my 30s. And I reconnected with her at another salon. And I said, you know, it’d be interesting to find out what I was like, in your eyes at that age. Because I had gone through my transformation in 88. And she said, she said, Jane, she said, You dance you you beat to a different drummer, would

Rick Archer: you march to the beat of a different drummer.

Jane Anderson-Ross: And she said, and I ate when I listened to you, because you had this wisdom that 11 year olds, 12 year old 13 year old shouldn’t have you know, and and you were struggling to fit in with your peers with that, you know, everything seemed very, there was a lot of common sense in my personality. And I couldn’t understand why some friends and I would say certain things to them, and they think wonder what’s wrong with you, you know, why aren’t you? You know, just going along with everybody. So I kept quiet. I think I just started to be more introverted if I wasn’t already. Interesting. Yeah.

Rick Archer: So did you. You mentioned teenagers, a lot of people interview, like, who had profound experiences as a child ended up losing them during their teenage years, you know, and even sometimes getting into drugs and stuff. But were your teenage did you come through your teenage years relatively unscathed?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, um, what was what was interesting, as I look back is that I guess, age 13. In my area, where I grew up, which was just over the bridge from Philadelphia was a blue collar area. No, no cam, a couple over from Camden, Maple shade, Maple shade near Cherry Hill. So anyway, um, a lot of the friends of mine started turning in doing drugs and testing things. And, and I didn’t want to do that I wanted to keep myself pure. And I was very sad that I couldn’t find anybody that wanted to do it and my best friend, because when I love friends, I was loving, very, like holy, with a w. H, holy, just holy. And so it was very disappointed that my best friend was turning in that direction and asked me if I wouldn’t follow. So it’s really hard as a teenager trying to keep that. I mean, at that point, it would have been nice to enter the ashram. Yeah,

Rick Archer: it does mean that you had a concept of purity. Because a lot of kids, I mean, I didn’t really have any concept of it. At that age. I just sort of did whatever kind of felt good, you know, and then had to do a lot of repair work later on. But it’s, it’s a blessing that you had that.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, I didn’t know what it was purity. I just, it just was absolutely right. It was absolute. So I had a couple years where I didn’t involve myself and I would go to school, and I come home and I get teased. So you know, I kind of was called names and perhaps viewed as being stuck up because I was just on my own in my own I was doing what I had to do was like, these years were tough. And let’s see how we can get through them. Yeah, that’s great. So maybe that was important to, you know, to have that.

Rick Archer: Oh, I think it was Yeah. That’s a good example. I mean, if any young people are listening to this, yeah. Might be an inspiration to them. Not to succumb to peer pressure.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes. And that inspiration translates to my Well Charles a nice daughter. I had two others from my First marriage, they’re the ones that were around during the time that I had the rebirth, what I call a rebirth, because I didn’t have words back then. Yeah, you know, I didn’t know what to call anything, which makes the experience interesting because it’s organic. So even though words came to me through understanding and transformation would be a key word, we’re moving ahead a little bit to 88. It’s, it’s just stays with you when it when it sort of reverberates throughout you as a way to understand what’s happening to you. But I wanted to just go back. So when I integrated back into the teen scene, quote, unquote, I kind of came back in on my own terms, I came in and just saying, you know, no, I will do this, you know, maybe I’ll try a cigarette. And these things are okay. And, you know, hanging out this way is okay. And, you know, when I hung out with whoever they were, but I hung out on my own terms, I said, you do what you’re going to do? And I’m going to stand as because I did that. I think it shocked everybody. You know, they were like, Oh, they didn’t know what to say. And you know, what, what do you do with that? You know, and I just stood there, I stood my ground. And I said, you know, I wouldn’t want to smoke pot, because I just think it just it makes you foggy, and it makes you you know, why do you want to be like that, you know? Yeah. And so they would let me stand there, you know, and like, say, Don’t let my mom watch this? She probably still doesn’t know. Well, I mean, that’s what happened. I mean, that’s what was happening. That’s great.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I know, I shouldn’t keep talking about myself so much. But when when I kind of decided to clean up my act, I went through a period of several months where I didn’t have any friends, I just walked the dog every morning and meditated and stuff like that. And just because I felt like I had to make a clean break with people who were doing stuff that I knew I shouldn’t keep doing. And you know, and then eventually your life gets reconstructed with new friends and new habits and patterns. There’s a there’s an ancient Bengali saying, which is that if no one comes on your call, then go ahead alone. So it’s a good guiding principle of not sort of succumbing to peer pressure and doing what you know, to be the right thing.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes, and we have near she just turned 18, or daughter, Charles and I and, and she’s walked that same path, and we’ve encouraged it. And she’s really getting her steer spirits strong and understanding what that means. And like, this is wonderful that you’re carrying this with you into your life as you get ready for your life. But that’s Pivotal, what I teach my children, don’t go out there without your suitcases of security and your suitcases of strength, your faith, all of those things, then go out because otherwise you’ll go back and forth. Yeah, when they’re out. I want them out.

Rick Archer: Is it? Alright, how old were you in 1988 2626?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Okay,

Rick Archer: and so that was your big breakthrough time.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah. If I wanted to just preface the torture. I’m glad

Rick Archer: you’re doing this week. Yeah, you have the timeline in mind. And I appreciate that.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah, I actually don’t think that it’s coming through that way. And I was hoping it would, because details sort of elude me and have eluded me through the years as you integrate. And it’s been a while just to remind, it’s been 27 years since 88. So anyway, I’m back in. I guess I was 21. And I had gotten married. I got married at 20. And so 21 I had become pregnant. And I didn’t realize I didn’t I wasn’t really expecting that. And but then I lost the baby. And I suffered. Oh, great. wasn’t very far along. But I suffered very, very deeply for the whole time I would have been pregnant. And in that suffering. Yeah, all the things that grief, grief. Yes. We’re all moving forward to that. Sure. And it was at that time that I was searching a little bit more about the suffering and I I wanted to know why I was suffering why I was so in such pain and agony and how this can was a connecting point for me. And so a friend of my husband I the time I was reading Edgar Casey so I was like Edgar Pacey. What’s that, you know, well, that sounds awesome. And, you know, and he seemed real cool about it and stuff. And so, there was this one day and my agony I decided to go to the library supposed to meet my cousin and she actually couldn’t go and so I decided I needed to go, I need to go there. I don’t know why. And so then I went there and I didn’t know exactly where it was going. But I was in a state of surrender. And I said, I just want To the certain area, I didn’t know what the topics were, I looked down and there was Edgar Casey’s story of Jesus. And I thought, wow, that connects Jesus, what? With your Casey and so it was sort of broadening my horizons. And I went home and I just devoured it. I stayed up till midnight reading, reading, reading. And finally I got to this point, I was halfway through the book. And I did this thing that probably a lot of people do open the book to the passage of something that gives you the answer you need. And so I opened up to this passage, and it said, You have a great love for children. Because of what he gave, I forget exactly the words at the moment because I’m live. But it is, as Rachel who is not comforted until that which is lost is placed in her arms materially again, and I had been reading about Rachel in the Bible. So I was thinking, she really suffered and really wanted a child. So it was relating to that. And that was very personal for me. And prior to that, I had a had a dream, where I was literally woke up from the dream, and I was having my arms out like this. And I literally had this dream that was sort of at the same time a waking dream that a baby was placed in my arms, and I knew that I would have a child. So this passage that I read, actually confirmed that. And that was my way of finally understanding the personal relationship that I have with God or the divine or whatever you want to call. And it was so real and so palpable, it took away everything. And an example of how it takes away everything in that relationship for me is, I had then eventually tried to get pregnant again. And I went to my obstetrician, who was the head of obstetrics at one of the major hospitals. And I had actually started losing the baby again. And he just said, you know, go home, put your feet up, it’s probably not going to work out. And I said, Oh, no, I said, God promised me a baby. And I said, and I will have that baby. And I certainly gave me an ultrasound, and certainly the baby’s heartbeat was there. And that is my son. Great. So those that made me and that’s important, because I think it made me believe and understand that I was in contact, through all of my experiences through all of my suffering, that I was still that contact wasn’t broken, that I was still seen that I was still heard that I was, I was still known that that I was still answered, My prayers were still answered.

Rick Archer: That’s beautiful. Thanks for telling that story. That’s great. And it might be worth adding that of course, it goes without saying that everybody is you know, whether they know it or not. But there’s, there’s always that divine intelligence that’s and the various agencies of that divine intelligence that are orchestrating everything.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes. Cool. So but to add the purity, the innocence and the simplicity. So if we start adding the equation of this life, and then we add to it’s something that you you know, absolutely, you just don’t doubt there’s no, nobody’s ever told me I should doubt. You know, so perhaps this like, is like the ashram even though it’s a nine to five life. Yeah.

Rick Archer: And regarding purity, innocence and simplicity, you know, except to be a little children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. I mean, that that kind of sentiment is expressed in every spiritual tradition that those sorts of qualities are necessary and conducive to spiritual realization.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes, yeah.

Rick Archer: Yeah. And regarding the ashram point, there’s no harm in going into an ashram for a while, or, you know, going into periods of retreat. But it certainly isn’t obligatory or mandatory. As this show is evidences. I mean, there’s so many people who never did that, who are having profound spiritual awakenings.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yep, I can only speak for myself though. Yeah, sure. I mean, what I’ve experienced, and and that aspect of it, because I think that you know, that aspect, like you said, it’s an everyone. So what’s nice is that we can find those moments in our life. We can find those times where we were alone by the sunset, you know, while we were crying, and we felt that maybe the sunset was part of our comfort. You know, so everybody has that within them. And we certainly can see it in our children being I’m here representing the mother. I have my grandchildren, you know, and they, they absolutely speak to you without those constructs, you know, like I have just recently I hurt my knee. And I was so worried because I didn’t know what it was. And my grandson got on Skype with me. And he just said, get up. He just kept saying he’s to get up. And he’s like, why would you say that? He never says that. Usually it’s whatever they do. He just says, Get up, grandma. Get up. That was his way of letting me know. I’ll be okay, good.

Rick Archer: Okay, so 1988.

Jane Anderson-Ross: So now I have two children. I had, and what what was it another period in 1988? You did? Yeah. Yeah, because I had my son in 86. And then in 87, I had, and I can’t verify for sure if it was near death, but it felt like a near death experience with my second child. So I had what was called placenta abruptio, which the placenta detaches, and I was hemorrhaging to death in my home, and was taking a while for the ambulance to get there. And I went into shock, which is interesting when you’re in shock. By the way, another thing to examine were consciousnesses, because I could hear everything that everyone was saying because I was losing massive amounts of blood. And, you know, I was answering them, which was interesting. But they weren’t there wasn’t good enough. Because it wasn’t wasn’t using my mouth. Right? Yeah. And then, you know, but they said, I told them later, I said, Why didn’t you when I, you know, they got the fluids and everything. Why didn’t you hear me was like, in a way, you know, they said, We didn’t hear you until we we need to make you speak, we need to like bring your consciousness forward. So you, we can keep you around here. But it was very close touch and go. So when I was in surgery, something happened then I imagined or I actually felt as if it was real that I was running through a field. And it was the happiest I’ve ever been in my existence in a field. And so I’m running and I’m running and my son happened to be with me, which is, you know, if you have a near death as your little son with you, but where’s time in this? Who knows, you know, so what happened was, I felt this sensation after I was completely happy. And I guess it could be like, people might see this as like a heaven experience, you’re running in the fields and to happen. And then suddenly, there was this feeling of being ripped away from the scene just absolutely against my will just ripped. And suddenly I’m in my body, but I’m in the middle of surgery. And so that then I started thrashing. When they actually told me it took like six guys to hold me down. And I was upset, and I was angry. Later, I saw the anesthesiologist, you’re

Rick Archer: angry because you’ve been brought back from the field or what?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes, it was the contrast. Yeah. And so later, I saw the anesthesiologist, and he said, Oh, so this is what you’re like when you’re not thrashing around. And I said, I had this dream that I was on this wonderful place, you know, and he said, you could not be dreaming now. There’s anesthesiologists listening. And I’ve talked to them. They said that you, you can’t really be dreaming when you’re under and that you woke and you felt the tube and your throat. They said that so there’s no real, there’s no way that you could have been dreaming. And I said, I was absolutely dreaming. And it was wonderful. You ruined it for

Rick Archer: me, but well, you know, I mean, you I’m sure you’ve read near death experience stories, and there’s so many people have these marvelous things going on when they’re in comas and, you know, give it up, give it up for dead and then they come back and tell about it and everybody tries to rationalize it away. But, you know, this, this just so much evidence about that, it’s kind of overwhelming,

Jane Anderson-Ross: so that that next year was kind of dark before 88. So we’re talking about she was born July 87. But then, in 1988

Rick Archer: So that baby that we had the placenta abrupt for Yep. Good, good. Good.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yep. And so then I had two babies and diapers and bottles. So that’s what makes the story come to an interesting type of experience is that I you know, that’s that first year is kind of dark for anybody who’s had babies kind of back to Yeah, you don’t get sleep and all that. Yeah, just basic functions, if you can get to them. Yeah. And so whatever was happening then and brewing in me, I started to that’s when I made my prayer. I sort of reached out because I was not seeing anything in life. Around me I was seeing the way man was and the way people were treating each other. It sort of came to this culmination where I was very dissatisfied with the way of the world and I felt almost like you know, a mother feels like a slave at that time, and I felt almost a slave to it. And so then I am put out this prayer that I’m, I’m done. But I pray, you know, like everyone from time to time, oh, geez, you know, helped me with this or that, but going through this, but this one, there was some kind of contact that it felt in a place. And it’s hard to put into words, but it felt like it came from a place that was so much who I am. And it had the right and the integrity to ask for this one time prayer. So it’s that place that I sometimes evoke, but not always, it’s like a sacred place that I won’t go to unless it’s like, it’s like your call a friend card to make it like, oh, on the quiz, like you get, like, you get three cards to be a millionaire, right? That’s how it feels, it’s like, you get three cards I

Rick Archer: see. So you don’t you don’t use this prayer. trivially, it was like,

Jane Anderson-Ross: you get what three for your life on polling one, I’m just making up an amount. Sure. And I didn’t want anything in this experience, other than to be the eyes. And I want to say it emphatically because you know, I want to feel it, I want that feeling to be translated. And I want to be your mouth, I want to be your ears, I want to be your heart. It just flowed straight out of me. And straight to God, I didn’t ask for I didn’t have a master or Guru. And even though Jesus is part of Catholicism, I didn’t reach anything. And I gave it a name. And I gave it the name of the Creator of all that is, was and ever will be, you know, something like that. I tried to make it all encompassing and say with, even though these words are small in comparison to that, which is everything, it’s that, that I wish to be totally given to. And to be totally a vehicle for nice. You know, so I’m adding some words, but it was it was absolutely implicitly

Rick Archer: kind of your own version of the prayer of St. Francis.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah, very close to see Francis and was considering being, what did they lay a lay person in that order.

Rick Archer: And so when you had when you voiced this prayer, ardently that precipitated the awakening.

Jane Anderson-Ross: So then this was like in the spring of 88, I think. And so what I started noticing happening is that things that were deep within my heart, and only important to me, and this, I think, is really pivotal as well, it’s about self love here is they started to show up in the world, because usually now you have to thank your mother and your last on the plate, get the last piece of pie. So you don’t have any expectations. And from the world. And this is good in a way, you know, because you’re learning I’m learning about this through my life, about expectations from the world and what the world gives, and I surrender that world. And so then these things that are meaningful start to manifest and there I can’t remember the details. But I remember it was like, it felt bigger than a synchronicity.

Rick Archer: Can you think of an example or two?

Jane Anderson-Ross: I think the one that comes to my mind, it’s just, it’s just silly little things, but it would be simply purposeful and important to me. You know, if someone simply said, um, you know, I’ve gotten tickets to that concert you’ve always wanted to see and that was one of the things actually the concert didn’t happen because they got sick. But I was like me, it was like something inside of me never thought that I could ask for something just for me personally. And that started me on the road to understanding how this precipitate self love precipitated the extraordinary experiences that happened. And so what what I determined is that the synchronicities as I was looking back through my life started to get bigger and bigger, and sort of closer and closer together. And

Rick Archer: well, I was gonna say, so did they. It’s always nice to ask, for example, so I get the sense that they became more significant than concert tickets. So bigger, more important, more profound things.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Not necessarily Oh, because, sorry, with all lovers. Because who knows what’s meaningful to our hearts? You know, only you know what, what really touches your heart and why? And because it’s a concert ticket, it’s just an external representation of what it is that’s meaningful to you. Perhaps it was that particular music and happened to be Pink Floyd. Okay. And you know how that sort of takes you into a transcendental place and I love have that as a teenager, and I didn’t know why I just gravitated to that, and, and songs like that sort of probably that music really was important to me. So being in a live concert would really would take me, you know, take me to whatever space that was. So it isn’t meaningful, it is meaningful. And an even though it seems trivial, it’s meaningful in the whole grand scheme of things. Yeah. Good. So the synchronicities, grow and grow. And they actually get bigger. So they’re bigger in a sense that they enlarge. They enlarge sort of Oscars to use the word inside of you. It’s it’s getting louder, it’s getting louder. And the way I thought to describe it is that imagine that in the culmination, the apex, which I’m getting to have a spiritual awakening that you had a the most profound synchronicity that you ever had, and magnify that, in time, spread it out into time, every minute, every moment, every hour, every day, for days and days at a time,

Rick Archer: just out of curiosity, in addition to the synchronicities in which things you wanted, were just coming to effortlessly. Did you also find that there was a sort of a resist a sort of unfulfillment of things you wanted that you probably should weren’t in your best interest? Or, or were you too much in alignment to have that sort of thing.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Things that were that I didn’t want that were just pleasing? And

Rick Archer: well, like, for instance, when I started this show, I wanted it to be I had this idea, I’m going to do a an interview show on the little local radio station here in Fairfield, and it hasn’t a radius of about 10 miles broadcast and kind of kept getting resisted and resisted, resisted, you know, why don’t they want to do it? It seems so appropriate. Everybody in this town, meditates. They love it. Because it was a stupid idea. And And finally, when I, you know, thought, wait a minute, you know, let’s get this out on the internet, make it a bigger thing, then it started getting all this support, and, you know, and success. So the desire was there. It was just not. It was just a little bit misaligned. You know, what I would? My concept of it was just in inadequate.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes. No, not at this point. There’s no resistance at this point.

Rick Archer: But I mean, back in 88, when, when you were 88, prior to this shift,

Jane Anderson-Ross: correct. That’s what I mean. That’s what I meant, at this point where I’m talking about an 88 there was no resistance, right. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, um, for the first time, any, and I have to preface this by saying that, you know, as a mother with two, now, they’re one and a half to two. And if you can’t get out of the house, I’m being I hope I’m not being too redundant with this. But I have to preface the mother part of it.

Rick Archer: I think mothers listening will be able to relate, oh, God bless

Jane Anderson-Ross: y’all. But anyway, there’s real, there was really no way for me to get out. And with all due respect, respect, my ex husband has passed away. And he was not wanting me to go anywhere. Probably want to do anything I was doing is like, that’s crazy. wants to do that. And he worked all day. And that was enough for him. So then, um, so what happened was, I just lost my place.

Rick Archer: Well, you couldn’t get out of the house. And you’re well, yeah,

Jane Anderson-Ross: I saw I started to see things that were going on outside. And I noticed that there was this like, adult education class in the new consciousness. So I was like, Oh, wow. So I had a little bit of time for myself. So I was like, very, very cautiously. Could I could I possibly do this class at six weeks exploration, I’m thinking Casey and things like that. And I thought, and this is valid in September, October now and 88. And so my awakening was in December timeframe. So I, I quietly asked, my husband said, if I put the kids to bed, if I do every possible thing, and it’s only you know, whatever it was $50 and I’ll be gone from seven to nine, and I’ll be home and, you know, and so, okay, so we came to an agreement. And so there I learned a little bit more about chakras. It was a very, very basic introduction, you know, there’s all ages, but in there was this, this woman that I was compelled Lee drawn to her and I didn’t understand and she was an older woman. And she just had her eyes on me and I don’t know what it was. And I just, I was so afraid and so timid, but finally I let her know, I said to her, I feel like I love you, and I don’t even know you. Um, she says, I said, I think about you all the time. And so she said the same about me. And so she said, You know, I go to this healing group and this in this healing group, I asked What this was to I was curious, what is the strong compelling thing I’m feeling with this lady. And so she said that her whoever ran the group and was the facilitator, and had the ability to see, you know, said that all because she’s a gem to God, or something like that. But first, she didn’t want to tell me that. She said, I’m not going to tell you what he said, because I don’t want you to get a big ego. And I said, Oh, please, something, somebody give me something that’s good about myself. And so she finally said it, and I contemplated that I’m a gym to God. And when I say that, I don’t mean me apart from anybody else in the world. But because I was so contracted and into myself, as I’m not worthy or teased a lot through, you know, you just you start to develop this belief about yourself. But it was that contact with the possibility of being absolutely loved. And absolutely special in some way that I wasn’t aware. That I think, was an important part of opening this, this this doorway to the heart between myself and the divine into unity. Nice.

Rick Archer: Great. So any more preludes to the 88 Awakening thing?

Jane Anderson-Ross: I hope everyone’s on the edge of their seat. Yeah, the popcorn is being consumed in massive quantities. That’d be fun. Yeah. So um, so then, um, okay, so 88 in September, and then October. I can’t remember exactly as it started to happen. But at the time, my cousin and I were, we were studying herbal a little bit, trying to find natural ways to help ourselves. We lived in the farmlands of New Jersey out in the pine barrens. And so I tried to get a lot of things natural, and but it was at the time that our lives joined, and she had children and she lived in the same area. But we were speaking more. So she joins me in this experience of this awakening. And if she didn’t I, without having any context, I would have thought tried to wonder what it was that was happening to me. Because prefacing it, I didn’t know that anyone else in the world had this experience. I didn’t know anyone would want this experience, or try to have it, you know, it was so simple. And so the Awakening was just starting to happen, where I was having these experiences of, I guess, the, our, our bodies, our vibrations, were like I said, that was getting more like synchronistic you and your cousin feeling this? Yes, we were feeling we were giving it words like communion. And we were feeling like sort of elevated and sort of high. And this, you know, like, our hearts were racing a lot. And, and we were feeling we both knew it was that this this, it was God, you know, but we didn’t know what was happening. And then we’re in the midst of taking care of our children and everything. So we started to, from time to time call each other and it was getting so heightened that every time we talk to each other, it would, it would get even more heightened, you know, and then we would have to get back leak, hang up and get back to what we were doing. It started to be internally broad and immense and consuming. But I could speak to her and I would say today, I felt like I was walking this path that Jesus walked, I felt like I was going through some kind of purification. And I don’t know what it means. And she say exactly what I felt. And you know, so we kept conferring and it was all happening simultaneously. Which I had no idea that anything could happen. I don’t even know if anybody’s had simultaneous awakenings and mushrooms or anything.

Rick Archer: I have heard stories of people who are connected with one another like there were two sisters on my on my TM teacher training course who would have remarkable experiences and they would they’re even though they’re living in different rooms in the in the place and everything they they would come down to dinner or whatever, they’d both been going through the same thing. So some people are connected like that.

Jane Anderson-Ross: So so here we get to this time now where I begin to sort of heat here within myself hear and know what’s happening. I hear and know whatever my contact is with God. And it’s a different voice than any voice I’ve ever heard. And it and I want to describe this and it makes me emotional too. It feels like when you hear this voice that everything in you is satisfied the body quiets, the mind quiets every level that needs some kindness. satisfy pain disappears, you just become immersed in this absolute fulfillment, you feel completely satisfied, completely fulfilled. And so these kinds of things where and you’re just drawn to it, and it expands, it even expands into your everyday life and everything that’s happening becomes a miracle, you can see that all of life is perfect.

Rick Archer: Is it an actual voice speaking English? Are you speaking kind of metaphorically here?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, you understand it. Um, sometimes a word would come that was meaningful and impactful. But it was more like, gosh, the language of the Divine it’s, it’s it’s a knowing understanding. That’s the only thing it’s it’s one whole complete concept that you understand beyond words, I guess that’s how I would put it. And it was, so it evokes such peace and stillness. It took care of all the fears, any fears that I might have had? Trying to describe it again? Again? Yeah. Although, I have to tell you that I haven’t told anybody this. And maybe four or five people in my entire life. So now I’m telling everybody, your husband

Rick Archer: and a few people. Yeah. So let’s try to drill into a little bit more, so that people can get a clearer understanding, I just need to take a breath through it, you take a breath, and I’ll ask you a question or two. And the So so far, what I’ve heard you say, you know, the qualities like the silence and the peace and so on, are typical of people’s descriptions of awakening, because they say, Well, my mind became completely silent. And I just felt like this absolute stillness and things. And but hearing a voice is not so typical that so we need to elaborate on that a little bit. And And usually, when people talk about a spiritual awakening, they they discuss, you know, well, I, I realize my true nature, I realize I’m not just this individual, but I am that I am that you know I am I am pure consciousness, I am being I am pure existence or whatever. So they speak in that kind of terminology.

Jane Anderson-Ross: I got something so, okay, good. I didn’t know what that was either. So I what I did is I saw through the church, they call it in Catholicism inner location. I’ve never heard

Rick Archer: that word have heard, but please define it.

Jane Anderson-Ross: That’s just the term for what I said is sort of like a dialogue. That’s what it becomes. It’s like a dialogue. Oh, let’s

Rick Archer: see what with whom,

Jane Anderson-Ross: to divine. So I sort of like if you imagine some of the saints and how they wrote, This is how I understood it. It’s like they were making this connection, and it was flowing, and it wasn’t coming through their mind, there was a dialogue, you know, there was inquiry, and then there was this beautiful dialogue that was unfolding, but the unfolding satisfies at all levels, and it’s sort of exudes, and you want to express it, and you want to write it. And because I didn’t have a place to put this, I started writing because my husband didn’t want to hear about it just you know, was wanting me to get busy to take care of things. So it became very, very internal, except for the times I talked with my cousin. And it still gets to a greater epiphany, because what happens is, I start to see and notice that and I didn’t have experience with my third eye, but that it was throbbing and that if I was speaking to anybody, and I heard some element of truth, that was it’s pure level, and I have would have to come from the heart. But I would almost want to grab my head because it would just feel like it was throbbing out of my head. So I only had also my mother to discuss this and she had had a mini awakening with but she didn’t understand the eastern part of it. Okay, so, yeah, so I was still struggling with, you know, having some kind of person to help me navigate at the same time taking care of the children and the family. And you know, and also this was fulfilling anytime I was sort of like, where do I go outside of myself, what was inside would come and fulfill that and teach me and broaden me and satisfy me and love me. And the love became so great. That you know, I describe it in one of my poems is just a mere drop of the love that’s available in that ocean and if I had one Inkling more of it, I would explode. It’s just beyond any possible thing that even the amount of everything you experienced in love in your life, compiled and intimacy and It’s much just a tiny drop of that it’s like, and so along the journey of even with the love it, it felt like this voice kept saying, kept coming in. And in the same time I had this choice, you know that I could sort of say yes or no to it. I was still in that phase. And, and I would you, it’s like you’re saying to it, I would always say, stop, because it was so extreme love, that it felt explosive that I would say stop, but don’t stop. And you do that, you know, something like that. Like that. So it’s like, Mark, can you moderate it? Tone it down. So you know, at that time, I would just say stop, but don’t stop, you know, yeah, treat me with it perfectly, which was doing anyway, it’s perfect anyway,

Rick Archer: was it in hampering your functionality in any way, as a mother as a person? were, you know, you’re able, I mean, sometimes you hear people going into ecstasies, where they just kind of fall on the floor. They’re unconscious or something, because they’re so drunk with the divine, you know?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, the ecstasies became started to happen as a phase of it, too. And they happened. Well, I had my example, as I was putting toast in the toaster. And then I was having ecstasy. So my kids were there at the table getting ready to get their food. And I guess they’re chattering enough that they don’t realize mommy saying, oh, you know, just I had you there was nothing you could do that could contain the voice. But you know, I had to let out of an ecstatic cry. So I was letting out ecstatic cries through the day while I’m making toast, and thank God, I had such simple routine life, because you know, when you, you know, I’ve heard some interviews to where people say it’s hard to function. Yeah, you know, but at least I had routine, it’s like, you know, you don’t have to think about when you’re driving to work, you know, where you’re going, you don’t look at what you’re doing. So that routine, this and the simplicity, and the beauty of my children really kept me grounded, they keep you grounded. And I have to say that, that that age, they were absolutely in tune with this. And some of the things the epiphanies that would happen, for example, it was a hot day, where were we I know, we weren’t This was further along. But because this lasts for years, though, it’s though it’s a two week period where it’s absolute communion 24/7, I had a two week period of this. And it still includes other things that I haven’t mentioned. For example, my daughter, I guess, I was having some kind of inner touching at the moment, and I had them a lot, even through the years, though they did span out in time, but my daughter would come over and just start washing my feet. And I would start crying. You know, it was like a way for the outer environment, the outer world, the purity and the environment to come back and touch me and say, this is valid, you’re valid or whatever it is that I felt that needed attention.

Rick Archer: So you’re kind of getting signs from the environment, kind of what would be the word sort of confirmations?

Jane Anderson-Ross: confirmations? Absolutely. Yeah. And even small children like for

Rick Archer: I remember that from Carlos Castaneda, actually, there’s something where they were done one and Carlos were discussing something and then teakettle went off or something and and Don wanted the teakettle agrees.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah. And I thought of, I know, I’ve talked about Catholicism a lot. But this was heavy in my life at that time. You know, like, I think Jesus said, If I don’t say who I am, even though the rocks and the trees and everything will speak it, and that’s just that, that exact place that I was the place where I am, knows that I am. And so it knows that everything else in its environment is in the same place with you. There’s, you know, I had to break it down, but there’s no separation between that state and the state around you. So everything is speaking the same language. Everything is that knowing that understanding everything, so when I looked further into that, even just walking out into my front yard, at one point, I looked at a leaf and that as I saw into that leaf, I saw its structure, its molecule I saw, I felt the love that made it I felt its integrity, I felt its beauty and perfection and the majesty of, of of how special it was, you know, and and I remember peering into it and feeling like, you know, in the movie ghosts, where he goes through the door where he’s trying to put his hand through the door. Yeah, he goes Patrick Swayze. And he starts to see like, the the woods structure and he’s like, you know, you know that. It’s kind of like that. It was kind of like that. Like, I’m looking at this leaf and I’m seeing it’s I guess I’m not subatomic structure or, you know, you universal fabric.

Rick Archer: Yeah, that’s really cool.

Jane Anderson-Ross: I pulled back, because I felt like it felt like if I kind of like Patrick Swayze, because when I saw that I was like, that’s a good example. I felt like you see the interview with

Rick Archer: Bruce Joe Rubin a couple weeks ago, by the way, no, but he was the screenwriter. For ghosts. I interviewed him about two three weeks ago. Oh, he won the Oscar for it. Oh, wow. Yeah. Anyway, I didn’t mean to get you off track. That’s okay. I thought maybe that’s what he thought of ghosts.

Jane Anderson-Ross: No, I just that scene was an extraordinary way like in you know, when he’s getting into the woods, the fabric of the woody sort of, you know, and the idea was to get through that for him. But for me, it felt like if I went into it, that I would never I would lose myself completely.

Rick Archer: Was that just the initial reluctance or hesitancy? I mean, have you since acclimated and adjusted and you can allow yourself to?

Jane Anderson-Ross: It was just an experience. Yeah.

Rick Archer: I mean, well, okay, go ahead.

Jane Anderson-Ross: It was just an experience, and it was an awareness, but it had all the components of something that would be long lasting. It’s like these experience sort of burn themselves into you, that you can tap into because it’s, it’s it’s monumentous and magnanimous enough that it translates through your life. It’s like I can I can remember all of that. I don’t see that now. I don’t need to see that now. Yeah,

Rick Archer: that’s it. That’s an interesting point. Let’s, let’s dwell on that for just a second. You know, a lot of I’ve heard people discuss this also, where they’ll have some really profound experience. And it’s like, that’s all you need, you don’t need to sort of have that profound experience. 24/7, it’s like you, you extract the juice from that experience, just having it for as long as you have it. And then you’ve got that under your belt, so to speak, and you move on, but it taught you what you need to know about that particular thing?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, you don’t want to lose yourself in it, I didn’t want to lose myself in it. It was like, okay, that’s there. If at any time ever, that my consciousness needs to explore that, right? I can do that. Because that muscle so to speak, I think what was happening and here’s another way to describe you could describe it is that I was creating, and I’ll just use the word portal, there was a portal being created. And I guess that chakra is opening up, which I learned later. Yeah, you know, um, so this portal, this entry into this place, that there’s communication, there’s understanding, grand understanding and knowing of the Absolute, an absolute was a big word for me. Because it’s, it’s still is it’s a way to encompass like, words were so important to me, if I got one word that I can just reflect on what is then people could do that with the absolute they use it, I’ve seen it, it’s the grand way to describe it, because it includes it’s inclusive, inclusive of everything.

Rick Archer: We’re there are many such things. And the leaf was just a case in point. I mean, were there like hundreds of little epiphanies, and you just kept metabolizing each one and continue. If

Jane Anderson-Ross: you modulate it back, then you can see it’s sort of like where you see yourself. I wrote a poem that I’m watching, you know, the the bugs flying in my yard and the but they’re dancing, but no one sees that. Yeah. And I wrote this poem that actually got published. And then it ends with it sort of ends with this. Oh, my gosh, the grass is growing all the time so fast, and we don’t see it. And yet I am the grass that ends with I am, you know, all of that. So you have that experience without going into subtonic atonic. structure, but you you’re sort of interfacing, you’re interfacing with the, the reality that’s mostly not seen that’s mostly, you know, it’s comes out in poetry and art. And you understand some deep level of where that comes from. And if I was like, you know, Deepak Chopra, I could probably tell you this, what I saw, but yeah, it’s enough. I think

Rick Archer: Deepak Chopra would be a little bit envious of some of your experiences. And, and you actually, you know, you may not quite have his gift for gab. But I think you’re very articulate and you’re explaining this stuff very well.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Thank you for the affirmation. Appreciate it.

Rick Archer: Yeah. And what you’re saying here actually really fascinates me because I often I find myself dwelling on this all the time of just how incredibly miraculous the everyday or ordinary, you know, as we call it, everyday, ordinary reality is and we take it for granted. We’re sort of, you know, look at this copper, something and if you could actually see what’s going on here. And what an immensely complex bundle of intelligence this is, you know, on every single molecule and every single atom. And the whole thing is just like this living breathing impulse of intelligence and what to say of a cup, I mean, a ladybug or a dog or anything else, there’s, we’re kind of swimming in this ocean of intelligence, and every one of his expressions is miraculous. And yet, we just kind of go through our day, not really, you know, appreciating that. And I think if we could fully appreciate it all the time, we’d be unable to function because he’d be so thunderstruck. But well, that’s,

Jane Anderson-Ross: yeah, that’s it. And you are, and I’m going through my day like that, and I’m having ecstasies. And one of the ecstasies, during the toast experience, was the formation of the universe. And this is really interesting, and pivotal to me, too, and probably, will be, is that I was being sort of fed this clump, it’s a, like a clump of information that has to do with the how the entire universe was made. And I can’t remember and I remember thinking, what am I going to do with this? You know, and the kids are right at, right below meeting? And I’m like, what, what’s gonna have what what why is this important in my life, you know, and, but what I and then there would be this sort of wave of understanding where it said, it is, it is form, it is for my dispensing, and in my time, interesting. And it comes with this all it really does with this all of like, a, like a boom, not a, you know, there’s sort of this boom, you know, like the God Presence. You know, like, you’ve heard, I think I’ve heard, I’ve heard about several interviews, and I’ve heard on backup, and I heard one person say it, it’s sort of this reverberating awesomeness that’s just has this quality that it just feels like a cuts got to be God kind of thing. I mean, there’s no doubt about it, it’s just, you just stand still. And it’s like even I thought, you know, even if you were like, absolutely out of your out of this type of touch with what I’m experiencing, and perhaps you’re engaged in criminal activity, it would just stop you dead. Like maybe like Paul and you know, mascus Yes, it just stops you in your tracks. And at the same time, it absolutely loves you for what you are, aren’t, will be weren’t anything, everything. It’s absolutely loves you. And I remember feeling like when you get that kind of love, and you probably have had it in relationship with your special someone, you want to just say I just love you immensely, you don’t know how to give back that kind of love. And so you muster it up and you just want to return it back to that divine, that’s, that’s fulfilling you and the minute you do that, you say you are the most awesome, and this happens a lot. You are the most awesome, you are the most beautiful, amazing. I the gratitude that I have for you in the Divine is immense. And then you let it go and it comes back to you and says You are the most amazing, the most awesome, the most beautiful, my creation, my child, and then you’re weeping like the cycle of this all day. And as a matter of fact, my husband at the time very grounded, very 3d, very go to church on Christmas, maybe, you know, he’s like, are you having a love affair? And I said I absolutely am. But it is not with a man. It is not with any one human and it is with everyone human. That’s beautiful.

Rick Archer: I got goosebumps all over my body while you were saying that. It reminded me of some Sanskrit phrase. I can’t remember the Sanskrit but the English translation of it is my gifts that like gifts my Lord I surrender to the

Jane Anderson-Ross: yeah, yes. And there’s so much even then the look, you know, after you say at this look that we have it transfers it to us. And um I just want to jump ahead a little but there was a lady that came into my life that helped me with the Eastern esoteric nature of this because I needed someone to talk to someone to help me understand what was what I was going to do with all of this and because I didn’t know about it. And so she took me to a youngin meeting. She would take me little places here and there who is this is like, I’ll tell you about her in a minute my friend Kathy but she actually took me I just wanted to bring this in because it fits. She took me to a youngin meeting and she was around my mother’s age. She was a helper and friend of my mother’s helper in my my navigating. And she would slowly introduce me to things to show me that we can find some similarities in some things that People that are out there and what they’re doing. And at the end of the meeting, there were three or four of these PhDs and psychologist talking to me and I was talking about a piece of music that was on the piano stand that I was reading and feeling. And they’re saying, they were examining me they’re like, look, it’s like it’s coming from her eyes. So I was like, looking at my like, they can see it. And this is how they see they see, it’s coming through the eyes, what was coming through your eyes, whatever this love. And this translation of this piece Beethoven wrote or something that I was reading and expressing, and I play the piano. So I was expressing what I felt but from this god point of view, and so they were seeing it and feeling it. And it’s like, they almost wanted to see where it was coming from. And for them, it seemed that it was coming from the eye. So perhaps, like, Darshan or something cool. But I didn’t know what star shine I just

Rick Archer: was it they say the eyes are the windows of the soul.

Jane Anderson-Ross: That’s what I thought, That’s what I thought when they said, well, the eyes are the window to the soul, right? Simple.

Rick Archer: So there’s something we haven’t, we’ve kind of been, we haven’t quite congealed this whole thing yet. I don’t know if we’ll be able to. But, you know, you’ve been describing this beautiful awakening and various facets of it, the experience with the leaf experience with the young ends the experience, you know, with the, what you described as that love affair, and so on. But if you had to define awakening, let’s say, as you know it as you experienced it, or have experienced it in a sentence or two, if you had to sum it up, you know, put it on a business card. How would you define it?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Um, I would have to say what I had when I was 21, was an awakening, and awakening. Because and that was the word that was used this may bring an awakening to like no other May. This is written in that book, the Edgar Casey book. And that was an awakening. And this in my, in my perspective,

Rick Archer: this meaning that 88 thing,

Jane Anderson-Ross: the 88 binder I had, yes, I just want to say this, because I think it articulates it’s pertinent to how I see things, is asked for a word for what was happening. And I got transformation and felt like a rebirth. And I knew that I was reborn, I absolutely knew. So I can only use descriptions like two sentences, I’m not sure. But I would say that it is from what I’ve seen, and other people, it has these markers that I’m talking about, and stories and pieces of my life and experiencing this. And there’s still a couple more markers that that’s still it’s still crescendos. And it goes to unity where I knew that a god and I were one. I, I wasn’t even knowing it, I was it. And it got to that point where it was a struggle to say, Gee, I would say, Jane, when I would talk to some people or this one, and I wanted to say that. So I think these markers are important. You want to say this one, or you want to say Jamie, I wanted to say something other than me. Because it seems like limiting. Yeah, I wanted it because I was in that all inclusive nature that felt like you know, I’ll use a movie buddy, the elf I’m in love, and I want everyone to know it. I’m one. And that’s the way it is. Yeah, we’re one you know, and we don’t know it. And so they’re these these absolute markers that I think that my whole entire speaking to you highlights these absolute markers that like I said, Paul, like you your, your studstill you cannot move. And it envelops your life in such a special loving way that it compares to absolutely nothing that you could ever Fathom and muster in your life experience. And I’m I have no doubt of that.

Rick Archer: So would it be fair to say that the whole nature of your life ever since 88, at least, has been one of wholeness, oneness unity, and abiding realization, but it’s hard to describe that because it’s kind of universal. It’s kind of amorphous in a way. And so when you tried to describe it, it’s easier to describe specific experiences such as the leaf or, or, you know, this or this. But that that doesn’t do justice to it.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah, you know, I love you I love listening to that. And at the same time, it sort of feels so contracted to try to limit it, to try to limit it into a tiny little understanding. Because the whole expression of what you’re asking was, in the moment when you had goosebumps and tears, that’s where it lives. It’s it’s in, in that absolute intimacy, that’s only that lives with you all the time and knows you. And even when you’re separate from it, it’s there for you. And I was I was meditating before we came together for this meeting. And I was recalling a time in my meditation. And so I can sort of go through this portal into the space, as I’m, you know, it’s like dialogue through my heart. And I was thinking of this time when I was having pain after the experience emotional pain, because coming back into this, slowly coming back into this reality is stark, and painful. It’s like, you know, when you come out of people who have near death experiences, it’s the same kind of face very painful and start. So I would get up in the morning, my husband would get up first, and then the children and I would get up before all of them. And it was dead, winter and cold. And I would walk in the stillness in the cold when no one else was out. And I would walk in through the cemetery in my backyard, behind the backyard. And, and I could feel what I felt on the inside, on the outside, and the crispness of the snow and in the marker, graves with different lovely things on them, and yet this absolute stillness, but seeing life, like people putting little flowers and knickknacks and things, and it’s sort of what it did is it it made the balance of what I was feeling inside, equal on the outside. And so there was no separation between the inside and the outside. And in that perspective, that is it’s with me in the pain. It’s absolutely there. And if and speaking of St. Francis, and I love for other sons system, and I watched it 1 million 100 Lots of times, anyway. So many elements in that movie are are very telling and if someone wanted to try to discover it, watch it and listen to the music of the blessitt Donovan, those simple musical melodies and those simple words, you know, day by day stone by stone. If you just say those, those that’s your mantra to it day by day, stone by stone, in my heart, you know, all of this, it’s not words, it’s, it’s, it’s that what translates it’s the love, it’s what you’re feeling when we talk, it’s, it’s the absolute touching the absolute, and it isn’t a concept. It’s a living, breathing, loving you.

Rick Archer: That’s beautiful. I kind of love the way you’re putting it in your own terminology and your own way of expressing it. You know that so many people that I interview and talk about this stuff that are basically using words that everyone is using, and that they’ve gotten from Ramana Maharshi, or from various things. And I tend to do that too. I have my own terminology, but it feels like you’ve kind of evolved your own expression of it from your own heart, you know, from your own experience.

Jane Anderson-Ross: And what’s pivotal there, and that is that, um, I wasn’t directed to be around people. Speaking of the word shorty, you know, think of those monks, I’m thinking that go, you have to go 500 million feet up into the mountains to write you know, and if you survive that, then you’re there. Well, I was kept from people. And so there was a pain in that because there suddenly became this stark separation. Suddenly, my husband wasn’t the love of my life. He was a man. He was a consciousness that had its way of seeing its clouds and its lenses. And he wasn’t seeing the fullness like I was seeing. So he wasn’t with me. And thank God, I had my cousin who was with me, she was what saved my life. Because if I didn’t, and believe me, I didn’t know that anyone on the planet. This you’re so immersed in this and so, and I had no reference. And it was it was almost frightening because I thought, oh my god, what does this mean? Please don’t make me a saint or anything like that. I think we talked about that in my little pre interview. I just was like, you know, why me? Why would this happen to me and I’m just a simple lady. This living this very simple life and, and it came to me that reverberating God voice that said, it is in the uncluttered mind that I come. It is in the and forget what we’re all you Just tethered heart, I’ll just say that something like that, that I live. And then I could accept that I could accept that I’m like, Okay, well, I can earn that. Because I’m ordinary. And I’m simple. And I don’t know what’s going on. And you chose me. And also, in that beautiful pure tea, like when you see your, you know, newborn children, you when you start them out, and you want them to be absolutely protected, and you don’t want the bad stuff to come in, well, I was treated that way. And I wasn’t allowed to sort of indoctrinate in any way. And I used to just ache for that, because I wanted some kind of company. And I still ache for that. And that’s it’s that’s been my problem all this time is that I feel a part from everyone that I know and love, because I can see where they’re at consciously. And the only time I get to be to have company is when someone’s heart opens. When someone like, you know, when you’re having goose bumps or you’re having, you know, you’re crying. And then it’s like this little bit of heart opening gives me that at the finest meeting, divine company that I longed for that I no longer can have.

Rick Archer: Well, that brings, that brings up a couple of things. Yeah. I mean, first of all, isn’t the divine your best buddy. You know, I mean, you’ve always got that, right. I guess you’re saying, Well, it’s nice to have human company to who can appreciate this. But on that note, you know, within a week or so 5000 people will have listened to this. And I’m sure that there are many people who very much resonate with what you’re saying and who could be your best buddies if they happen to live in Rochester, but but who may want to reach out to you through Skype or something, you might end up establishing some very beautiful friendships. I mean, I can think of just half a dozen people off the top of my head, whom I’ve interviewed who, you know, could be really good friends of yours if you connected. Yeah, I’d be happy to help you make that connection. But I

Jane Anderson-Ross: love a couple of them already. I contacted one the day video I

Rick Archer: just did David. Yeah, he’s great. But I

Jane Anderson-Ross: just Yeah, I just completely feel like, yeah, I want to just hug him. Yeah, he’s a wonderful guy, probably one to two. Great guy. Yeah, you can just tell I mean, so that’s just, that’s just an example of someone who has an open heart. And it’s interesting, because sometimes, like, I’ll go to like a little satsangs were involved in some setting. And there’s this one lady and she’s so open, and she just runs over to me and puts her head she’s the only one and puts her head right into my chest here just buries no inhibitions. And I’m like, Oh, thank you. I mean, she feels it seems like she needs that. You know, but I need that too.

Rick Archer: Yeah, that’s sweet. There’s a at the science and non duality conference this year, they had a new thing, where on your badge, you could have a little sticker put on that said huggable. So if you’re if you’re, you know, so everybody’s walk around with these huggable badges, but I don’t want to make it sound too hippy trippy. But a lot of hugging tends to take place at that thing, because the heart value gets so enlivened with everybody. Absolutely, yeah. Now, you’ve alluded to you’re and feel free to interject anytime, if there’s something that I’m not thinking to ask you that you want to say. I mean, we’re just flowing along here. But you’ve alluded to your cousin a few times. And when we spoke a few months ago, and we were talking about doing this, and you mentioned that you’re you know, you and your cousin kind of had these parallel awakenings, but that your cousin didn’t get it kind of accepted or supported in the same way you did, and ended up running into some difficulties. So yeah, maybe we can talk about that a little bit if you don’t think your cousin would mind. And yes, and also, I think the very fact that the two of you synchronistically had had this transformation take place is is interesting.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes. And let me just, there’s one thing that I’ll say before I talk about her is that though I had her too, I had that I had God, my best friend, but I had to say it lightly. I did have some human interaction that way with my cousin. Um, but because so many people in my family didn’t understand this new way that I was or speaking, this way that I was speaking or what was happening because people in my family knew what was happening. They know something. They knew something was happening, they couldn’t understand it. But my husband got a little frustrated with because then when it starts to get into the family, and I’ll tell you about this is

Rick Archer: your previous husband who is with us, right? Yeah.

Jane Anderson-Ross: I said fine. I said I will go to a psychiatrist and I will tell him everything. And I will let him be the determining determining factor. You know, because a lot of People can just sum it up as crazy. That doesn’t come on. And so I did. And I kind of put my life on the line there, because being somebody who’s just going through the ship quite roll and like a newborn, and I’m putting myself in the face of this man,

Rick Archer: that’s kind of a crapshoot, too. Because there’s so many different types of people who were, you know, licensed psychiatrist, taking

Jane Anderson-Ross: Oh, yep. And so he just, I just said, you know, I don’t know what it is. I said, but when I speak to people, and I don’t even have to say the word God, this is how simple I was at 26. I said, but they start crying. And, you know, maybe I was just talking about their uncle or a tie that that was given to them. And I didn’t know, you know, but somehow it opened their heart. And so it was tell him a lot of the things I went through. And he just said, I have nothing to say, except that you’re very wise or nice. So then I went back with a report.

Rick Archer: I go right. Stamp of Approval from psychiatrist. Yeah.

Jane Anderson-Ross: But my husband’s take was crap happens. I won’t say the bed. And mine was everything happens for a reason. Yeah.

Rick Archer: That’s it. That’s an interesting thing. I mean, that’s very good. I mean, there’s that popular bumper sticker, you know, and I think Forrest Gump coined it when he was running in stepped in something. I know you’re kind of a movie buff. But, you know, it does imply randomness and arbitrariness and sort of a cold mechanistic universe, whereas everything happens for a reason implies that you know what I was saying earlier, we’re swimming in an ocean of intelligence and that nothing is arbitrary or capricious?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes. And so for on behalf of my cousin, though, we haven’t had a lot of time to speak, because she’s had a very rough time in her own personal life, with health in her children’s health in her family and lots of things. But I did call her and asked permission, she said, you know, to talk about and some of the things that I wanted to share. So she has given me a have a little outline over here that I’m looking at. Okay. But you know, she did, she did go through this, and it did turn out different, you know, but the first thing that she said is, what is the moral of the story? Like for her? It’s like, what was the outcome of it? And she said, the outcome is, and I said, Well, what is the moral story to you? And she said, not to have faith in any person, that it’s all God, take the good and leave the bad. And things like that, you know, of that nature. But she verified all that we went through. And for her, there was a more traumatizing aspect to it, because my mother had some type of awakening and openness. And her mother, though, she’s my mother sister. She made she did not I want to be careful what I say about people, you know, when I’m talking about them. And so this, there was more fear. And her husband was quite as quite fearful because she was having ecstasies that were somewhat uncontrolled, that were that were very uncontrolled. And she believed that some of the things she said she felt there was a mixture, that some of the things were not good, and some work good. So she felt like some was like hallucination. But there’s a lot of mix of fear and trauma in her experience. Apart from when we were together, and what happened is it culminated, and she did want me to say that it culminated in her ecstatic epiphany being carted away to a mental institution in a straitjacket.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, it’s hard to give a pat assessment of such a thing, my mother, when had, I guess, what you was diagnosed as a nervous breakdown, and she started to see auras around trees, and she started, you know, feeling like she was communicating with her deceased mother and having all these perceptions. And, you know, even though there was some kind of awakening taking place, in some sense, she really was becoming unhinged. And I’ve been communicating with a woman in Australia, who, whose daughter is going through something really intense and open, she’s opened up to all these subtle realms and she can’t shut it down. And, you know, she’s being sort of hounded day and night by some subtle entities and you know, she can’t sleep she can’t eat. I mean, so, I would just caution that not not everything that might pass as a spiritual awakening is necessary. Sara Lee wholesome and 100% You know, great. There can be all kinds of little bit pathological things mixed in. Maybe you can take it from there.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah. So what happened is we were not allowed, especially with her side of the family. They started to try I’d say Where’s it coming from? Well, it seems to be more pronounced when she’s to Jane and her together. So, you know, we’re going to keep her out. And so you know, all kinds of witch hunt things start happening and Where’s this coming from? And so um, but I did get to hear I forget how but I would get to hear like, what’s what’s going on with her from time to time, I guess your family member family member and back then my mom to me, but she was people were getting healed in, in the presence that she was there for a couple weeks. They drugged her up and people were getting healed. And here’s this event in mental hospital. Yeah. So I was like, you know, yay, that’s it doesn’t matter where you are, it’s happening, even that she’s drugged. So So is it really a problem that this happened this way? Or was it perfect? Yeah. And one of the examples was, there was a young teen fellow who had, she said, this, a swastika on his third eye. And he was into Satanism. And so he believed in that power of wholeheartedly, and when he met my cousin in their group, he could see and he said, through her eyes, and through her, you know, her, he could see that there was a God. And so he completely renounced his way and his belief. And he brought his parents to her and said, Mom, you know, Dad, this is the woman that saved me, she didn’t say, anything you know, about you should, you know, follow God or anything, she just, she was just living her experience, and probably articulating her connection that she had with God, you know, her divine source. And there were people that were very stuck, like, there was a Vietnam vet who was really, really stuck, that she said, was instrumental, she was instrumental in Oh, I guess whatever, he just kept going through therapy, therapy, therapy, therapy, and he was not unlocking from whatever he was trying to unlock from. And so he, you know, so she was at the right place in the right time, and you learn that very quickly that, you know, you could be placed in the fire and you find that you’ll never burn and, and those kinds of things happened, you know, even, for example, to get off that this topic, but add to it, I was sent to the inner city with my friend Kathy, who helped me and my mother to the youngin meeting. And so we had to take the subway back through Philly, and it was like midnight, and I just not, I’m not a city, now. I’m a country male. And I was young and 26, and girly. And, you know, they were like mother types. So it was a little frightening for me. And so I was discussing in the subway. And there were lots of lovely seedy characters there. God loved them. But you know, they sort of are the type that they put in the films that make you worry about what your next step and move might be around them. But there was this one very tall, ominous looking fellow, and he kept, I was talking to my mom and Kathy about my experiences in this young GI and meeting, and how it was touching my heart from my perspective, and, and he kept looking over at me, and I’m thinking, Oh,

Rick Archer: could I hear you could hear what you’re saying, Okay, we were

Jane Anderson-Ross: in the subway. So like fo a, and he wasn’t too far from me. And I could see him looking and listening. And I’m thinking, oh, boy, and then he starts walking toward me. And I thought, oh, gosh, I am, I’m done. And I before I defended him, you know, in some way or, and he came over, and the first thing he said is, I’ve been listening to what you said. And I was like, oh, no, you know, sorry. And, and he said, I feel that Sr. And he just started rolling with his, whatever he was getting, you know, if it was a transmission or something, he was just, he was being fed by the Holy Spirit. And he was announcing and I’m pronouncing it and I was like, oh, okay, so, you know, that in itself was a story, it’s still a learning, it’s a very powerful learning that it doesn’t matter where you’re sent. And so, for me, I go wherever I need to go. And because I haven’t spoken about this in 27 years, to only a few people, you know, I asked a good friend of mine, you might know John Moshe, he’s like names for Mother Father type of thing. It was in TM with you back in the day, I guess, right. He’s helped us a lot of different things. But, um, so you know, I said, Bob, going on public what, you know, I usually like being hidden and, and in the background in my life, or one on one or something. And so, you know, I’m uncomfortable with being out in the front. And he said, What is it that’s, that could limit is limiting you from that perhaps that’s what needs to happen. And I said, oh, so something’s in the way. Okay, so I need to just do and go where I need to go, do what I need to do, and not think about and not let it be my business. And that’s my practice is to get out of the way and not let it be my business. Yeah. After the long haul, of integration and weaning off of this epiphany experience in 88, because there is a weaning, there is definitely a weaning process. And there’s after that, and there’s a depression. And for my cousin, she was in a year long, dark depression, where I was moving through it a little bit more, I was able to make contact with this lady Kathy is another important having that person, that key person that is well versed this, this is a lady who understood Eastern philosophy. She’s somebody who was able to connect herself with the Spirit, she has a rich spiritual life. And so for example, when I first met her, she was absolutely accepting. And I was afraid because a lot of people are like, what do you? What do you mean? Or what do you mean, you’re awake? And when you mean, you’re reborn? And what does this? You know? And what do you mean, your one this is that that’s like heresy. You know, but she was like, so I’m so fortunate to meet you today, she embraced it. And she started me with a good book. And it was neat, just how perfectly I would say the divine allowed her to filter in purely to me just what I needed at the right time. And it was Heinz feet in high places, it’s an allegory. She started me with an allegory. So there were no names, there’s just did you ever read that or no, haven’t heard of it. And so it just talks about joy and love reaching the mountain on the apex. And it’s about their journey. And so I could find what I was experiencing in that in a very soft, like a newborn like a storybook. And it suits my soul as I transition from that place in this, this, this, this expanded place, and this all loving, all knowing place into this world that has rebellion and cruelty and, you know, harshness and its levels of consciousness, that filter in front of what its heart really is.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I just want to loop back to your cousin a little bit, just that, you know, we’re talking about how kind of awakenings are not always 100%. Integrated, they can, they can be some kind of, you know, actual imbalance or pathology pathology going on. But by the same token, I think a lot of times, I think there are probably a lot of people locked up in psychiatric hospitals, who have had genuine awakenings and nobody understood them. And this ties right into what you’re saying, Now, it’s so important to have somebody who understands you and kind of affirms what’s going on. So I just wanted to kind of balance out the thing I had said previously, but let me ask you, so how is your cousin doing now?

Jane Anderson-Ross: So when I talked to her, and like, we rarely have, in 27 years had time to talk about this? And I moved away? And it seems like it’s still taboo in in her family. It’s like, we’d have to go somewhere, but doesn’t really allow for that. So, um,

Rick Archer: seems like she’s old enough to be your own girl now. Yeah. So she

Jane Anderson-Ross: is very faith filled person. And the struggles that she’s had to deal with in her life. She has a very, they can’t cure her daughter, she has a very difficult disease. And they there’s no cure for it. So she has to live. Like, they don’t know how she keeps living. I mean, she’s just we’ll see. She’s nearly 40. Thank God. But anyway, she has that and several other things. But she said, what it gave her she said, is the strength to endure the next 27 years of her life. And people say, How does she do this? How is she still loving? How is she still patient, and she isn’t always patient. But there’s some embodiment of patients. I mean, patients, I think in people burn, it burns into you through life, and you have kids, you have to be patient, or whatever, you know, you have to learn patience, but there’s this. There’s this patience that comes with it that lets you see that everything is unfolding in some other plan. That’s way beyond yours. And so she has that scope. And she says that the magnanimity of it translates into her life devoid of, of what happens. And, you know, there’s been times in my life, though, it’s been more fortunate for me that I’ve called on her when I’ve had hard times where there’s a culmination of issues in the family, or my children, and I’ll call her and ask her like, one thing, and she’ll come back, she’ll get me back in line, you’ll just, she’ll just say, why not you, you know, like, if I say, Why me in this situation and this calamity, and, you know, something like that, and she just sets me right, you know, so it’s that kind of thing.

Rick Archer: That’s good for her. Yeah. So it seems you’ve given you gave a fair amount of thought to this interview before we started doing it, which is great. And you know, and a number of times I’ve jumped The head and you say, wait a minute, we got to cover this point first. So what points have Do you also have in mind that we haven’t covered yet? Because we’ve just been sort of going, you know, one step after the other as we talk.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah. And what’s interesting is it again, in the, in the the element of perfection. Getting out of the way allows things to unfold most perfectly. And I have to tell you that you know, last night I had been Charles calls it my husband, the last little bits of the remnants of, oh, geez, what if I don’t remember, I’m not chronologically right, or, you know, or I have a headache or something, you know, it’s like all these human things. And everybody feels that, you know, and that’s just totally acceptable. But you know, it definitely wrestle with it, there was some, I said, finally, I said, My soul is wrestling. And he said, You’ll wake up in the morning, and you’ll feel better. So there’s always that that wrestling, that occurs as you go through your life and getting out of the way includes that. And one of the things that in that is, naturally flows from this experience is for me is contemplation. You get to this place where you experience the divine. And all you want to do is contemplate it’s like what is the contemplating the divine navel, they say it’s like, you just, it’s just, it’s just an offshoot of and it’s all you really want to do. And there’s been times in my life when I’ve been in dark night of the soul where I’ve had been cut off for years, like from any inspiration. And that was a time when I moved to Rochester and several family members died in a row. It was like a warzone. My father, my grandmother, key people, my very special spiritual aunt all in one year. And then a year and a half later, my ex husband suddenly died young 48, my children were still teenagers. So then I had to deal with all of that. And even in that absolute darkness, even if it was just a memory, because you can’t feel that love at that moment. You’re you’re you’re on fire with pain, and grief. I mean, Grief is a powerful process. And I delved into it, like I did when I walked in the snow. And when I was walking by those graveyards, gravestones, and, you know, feeling what that outer experience feels like. And sometimes you can’t even get to call the divine, you’re so stifled. But those experiences are important. And those experiences are important because they give you a report with the people that God touches through your lives. That’s what makes it easy, easier for me to know and be compassionate with people because I feel I’ve been there. I know what it’s like, I’m just as darn human down to the blood and everything, sweat and tears that you’ve cried. And in that. I mean, I learned that back in the rebirth because there were at that time in the rebirth period. I’m crying because I’m so sensitive to anybody who’s unkind. I mean, unkindness, just felt like so visceral to me, like, in the face of this absolute enormous love. And, um, and I remember I had often turned my head because I was crying so much, and I don’t want my husband to say, Why are you crying about now? And I wasn’t, I was just crying out of epiphanies. And these were, this was years later. And I would hear something that was consoled me that would say, and for every tear that you cry, the angels in heaven cry 1000s. Wow. And I would feel like my grief, though it felt so big, was so small to the immensity of the beings that are so much pure, and see the suffering through those level of pure eyes. My pure eyes felt immensely small. My tears felt and pain felt immensely small.

Rick Archer: It’s beautiful, Jane, you haven’t written any books. I know. You have a blog.

Jane Anderson-Ross: I have, like, through the years, I have a tote full of stuff.

Rick Archer: So you’ve been noting stuff down? Because you have a beautiful way with words. I think you could distill some of this into some books.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, it must be time.

Rick Archer: Yeah. But the point you just brought out I think it’s nice to just touch upon it again, which is that, you know, as they say life is was it. Joni Mitchell song I think life is for learning was one of the lines and might have been from Woodstock. And in any case, you know, what the point you just made is beautiful, which is that everything we I mean if if, if it is a divine universe, if the Divine is really omnipresent, and is just sort of, you know inner acting with itself. And we are the eyes and ears and noses and stuff of that. Then how could How could anything not be ultimately, in our best interest, some sort of lesson, some sort of experience that is going to add to our toolkit, you know, to make us more or better for others or whatever.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah. And so before we talked, I had this experience that my meditation I think, is pertinent. And so what it is, is that it sort of comes in the statement that God is not in the argument. That was the statement that it formed around. And it’s like this, that when we talk about the experiences, that’s when and I think you can feel more viscerally what what’s transpiring between us when we talk about the love, when our hearts are healed, when they’re open, we get out of the way, we’re just like a little kid. In essence, that’s just oh, you know, like you may be when you see your loved ones after you pass, and you imagine seeing them and hugging just that you just run into the arms of that we’re so starved from it. I’m not, you know, not everybody in audit all the time. I don’t mean to categorize, I’m just trying to express. But that’s where it is. And it’s so simple that we look everywhere else. And I noticed that when sometimes questions come that it seems like it closes a door, it almost closes the door on the beauty of that moment, it’s like when you analyze your your child’s your newborns first glances at you, you can’t translate it, you have to just stay with it. And that’s where it is. And it’s so simple in this, this world has so many mechanics to it and, and thoughts and judgments and our hearts have them too. And so when you remove all of that you have that essence that we all long for, that we all want to be with. And not only that, but for some people, it’s very uncomfortable, it’s too vulnerable, they are not ready to let down that guard. And so sometimes I experienced retaliation, you know, back in that day, you know, if I would bring something forward, because the love was so transparent, that, you know, it would be painful, and someone would use something harsh, you know, say something harsh, or push me back. So I learned that, you know, I have to be very patient and sit back with my love. And it doesn’t matter if you’re sitting back 1000 miles away, and you still feel that you can translate it but maybe not face to face or in words. You can sort of modulate how you express it. Yeah. And I think that’s that what God does, there’s a modulation we have our own will, we have our own timing. And like I said, you know, I even cried out modulate this love, please, because I’m going to explode, you know, and yet don’t modulate it explode me. You know, it’s like you’re ready to be explode kind of a balancing act? Yes, there’s a there’s a lot of paradox in that and there is a lot of opposites. In our, in our world?

Rick Archer: Well, you kind of touching on the pearls before swine principle here, you know, just you have to sort of there’s a verse in The Gita that let let him who knows the whole not disturb them who only know the part. And so you have to sort of modulate it, you have to parcel it out, according to the openness and receptivity of the listener.

Jane Anderson-Ross: And my daughter, my teenager said, Mom, what are you talking about for two hours? Well, that’s something you could talk about for a lifetime. Yeah, that’s kind of how I feel. And you do and you do.

Rick Archer: What could be better to talk about, you know, more interesting, more profound.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yeah, some people are talking about it when they’re when they’re putting, you know, doing art and, and poetry and music. They’re speaking it that’s this the same language. I mean, it’s like God language, what is God language, it’s just that we’re having this in an awakening, you’re having this absolutely condensed experience of it. So like the art becomes alive, living living art and you become living art. Your expression is living

Rick Archer: there about 40 people listening or watching live as we speak. And I just want to remind people that if any questions occur to you, you know, on on the upcoming interviews page on BatGap There’s a form at the bottom you can type the question into and it’ll come to me here and I’ll ask Jane So, what is your day to day life now? Like now, you know, like right now this morning, tomorrow and yesterday? I mean, how and how does your day to day life? Compare and contrast if it does with what it was when you first had that awakening, and

Jane Anderson-Ross: I I am regularly, contemplation, contemplating, but I’d like to slow down a little bit. So that helps kids grown up, you know, yeah, daughter just started college and the others are all out to married. And so that makes a big difference. But the contemplation has never stopped even though you’re in the mix of whatever you’re doing,

Rick Archer: and the fun contemplation as you, you’re using it.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes. So I’m always learning. And, you know, if I was taught learning, I was telling you about God, it is not an argument, I’m understanding at a deep level what that means. So that still goes, I’m still learning and I’m still contemplating all the time, that’s all that I really do and enjoy in my life, that is my life. And then what I do on the external part of my life, is sort of like the karma yoga. It’s like, I’m going through my day and doing the things I do. But what’s interesting is when you interact with people, and living things, there’s a difference in that quality. It’s, um, there’s almost an absolute joy that somehow we get to meet. You know, I feel like when I teach cake decorating, and it’s been like, why am I teaching cake decorating, but who knows, right? It doesn’t matter what you’re doing. And these lovely people come and they start to open up about because they’re in this creative flow, it’s a creativity. And they start to tell me about their life and the hardships little by little they trust. And so there’s a rapport that’s built. And so the healing takes place in those interactions. And I did this. It’s called a soul blueprint reading. I did like a year ago. It’s an astrology form that only several people do in the world, something done for yourself. And I had this, this blueprint done for myself. So the fella starts to tell me certain things. And I said, Wait, wait, can we cut to the chase? Can I just tell you that I, this, I had this experience, and I wanted to know why I’m so uncomfortable. You know, so I was contemplating my being uncomfortable for 27 years. And he’s any, you know, he said it. And it’s helped me a lot. He says, it comes with the territory, Gene. And I said, and why do I feel like this is so hidden, like you just feel like you want? I don’t know, I sort of have a very quiet hidden life. And you would think that it would be something that would be more prevalent. I think that from time to time, I contemplate that from time to time,

Rick Archer: and was comfortable. I mean, you I guess you sort of said, well, you know, you’re a bit of an odd fish, because you don’t really, you know, you don’t know too many people who are on the safe way, same wavelength. Is that what you mean by uncomfortable?

Jane Anderson-Ross: You’re, it just he said, it comes with the territory. And in a way it’s sort of like this unfolding into the world. And these layers are being constantly the contemplation is, there could be a million examples of what I what I’m contemplating. But whatever it is that I’m learning and growing, and reaching, and whatever is reaching through me that’s learning and growing. And what I’m learning when I interact with people, through my experiences, it’s everything that I contemplate everything in my life, if I’m frustrated, why am I frustrated? So everything sort of goes into that big pot of soup, you know, and I just keep staring through it and staring through it and finding myself in the center of the eye of the hurricane and back Dalton and finding the I within the swirling pieces that I go into on the outside of the hurricane attaching to that, and why am I attached? And, but so in the uncomfortability, he said, you know, sort of when you have that expanded consciousness, you’re in the eye of the hurricane. And so you’re wondering, you know, what, when you come back out, it’s like, what, you know, it’s like a whole new it’s, that’s why I call a rebirth. Because then you’re, you’re contemplating, where was I and what is this now? And you know, it grows, it grows and grows. And so just off shoot.

Rick Archer: Yeah, just to make sure we’re clear. So when you say contemplating, so you’re, you know, you’re cooking, you’re cleaning, you’re driving, you’re doing cake decoration, you’re talking to some friend or something. But you’re saying that kind of inside, there’s always this sort of self referral going on this kind of self scrutiny or this sort of probing into the I don’t mean significance in an intellectual sense, like analyzing it to death, but, but sort of like where’s the divine hand in this? Is that what you mean by contemplating?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, a lot of things that I contemplate, get, go get used, it gets integrated, it’s like digestion. Yeah. So everything that you know I meditated this morning and I want little me I wanted to just keep quiet and just keep everything quiet. So I didn’t start to feel nerves or anything. But this beautiful divine dialogue and picturesque vision of life. I was walking in the field. Yeah, finally, I, you know, in my little fallenness, I say, Well, I just wanted to be quiet. And then I kind of get the sense. But this is important for what’s to come. So that’s, that’s an example.

Rick Archer: To come in and you our conversation, yeah, you need to have that vision in order to be able to convey it in the conversation. This

Jane Anderson-Ross: is what’s want this is what this is how the Divine is translating. So this is what’s important for what I want to say nice. Everything is being said anyway. But in this particular moment, in this form, that’s what’s wanting to be said. And what’s interesting is that that time, the sun, and we’re in Rochester, which is very cloudy and cold and known for not having sun broke through the window and shine on me. And it happens often like that. And this always happened, and probably other people know what I’m talking about. It’s sort of signal. It’s a signifier, like how could the sun being literally land right on me? And at a particularly pertinent moment? Yeah. It’s, it’s a way of showing that you the the element is reaching you, that element that is that all it is, is reaching you? Yeah,

Rick Archer: there’s a whole, I mean, that there’s a whole topic of omens good and bad. And you know, the fact again, that we’re in an intelligent universe. So even something like that, I mean, obviously, can be easily dismissed as well, the sun shining, because the sun shining, but there, there’s a kind of a divine timing to everything.

Jane Anderson-Ross: And speaking of Ray, I had this particular experience that in the beginning that showed me that the sun rays, they sang plays into this. I was when I was writing and doing a spiritual newsletter. I mean, I was writing it by hand from my home while the kids were sleeping. And it was a completely cloudy day, and I had skylights in my house. And I usually turned myself over what do you want? How do you want to use me today? And I was thinking about going to take these, because I mailed some to people letters with newsletters to the mailbox. So I close my eyes and contemplate and meditate for what the what the divine wants to use me for. And today, and I opened them in a sunbeam nowhere else, just one little tiny one, landed right on the letters on the table. Like I just put them on the table. I didn’t, you know, they weren’t lined up astrologically or, you know, it wasn’t it but it was lined up astrologically that that sunbeam would be in the right place at the right time. And that’s what happens next. And you find this, that this this happens that each person, the closer you are to that, that that place that is open to all this, that’s why I’m always saying get out, I’m getting out of the way I’m getting out of the way is because then the nature of miracles, which is an everyday occurrence happens, and sometimes I get to witness it. You know, sometimes I don’t, but I know that it’s always happening. So I get in that space as often as I can. Because it isn’t that it isn’t me that I serve anymore. That’s another characteristic is that you no longer serve yourself. Your life is surrender and getting out of the way. And that’s a, I think, a big marker. And any type of ego that says that it’s going to be something or teach something is in the way. And if you’re giving like you’re giving beautifully in your experience, it’s from your heart that you do what you do.

Rick Archer: Yeah, nice.

Jane Anderson-Ross: It’s not to get anything. Right. Yeah. So that’s what keeps people in the background. I think that’s what keeps them not putting themselves in the front in the forefront. And I’ve talked to a fellow meditator of mine, friend of mine, and he said, all the people that you don’t see on interviews are like he was saying, like, really, however you put it, you don’t see them, because they’re not really putting themself they’re not interested in putting themselves. They you know, like, there was times when people were building things like churches and stuff. And it was always these big egos starting churches as a new church, the church like it, we lived in Sedona. So it was like the Church of the mother, father, God, this man, moly, and it starts out with a pure intention. And, and I seen this time and time again. I always seem to get hooked up with grassroot projects right at the beginning, somehow there’s, I’m seated with it, and then it always turns into politics. Yeah. And that’s religion. I mean, religion had a pure pure, pure beginning. And then it’s politics. And and it’s, and if you have a stickiness in it, you’re not bringing through the most pure feed.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Well, I know what you mean. And actually, if you watch that panel discussion we had at Sofia University a couple months ago, a month and a half ago. We talked about this quite a bit, but there’s a sort of a, you know, it’s, it’s a paradox, it’s a catch 22 Because on the one hand, you know, Christ, Christ said, Don’t hide your light under a bushel, you know, you want us Let it shine. And on the other hand, if you begin stepping into some kind of teaching role prematurely, it can go to your head. And you know, there are so many examples of people who kind of get caught up in, in the, the adulation, or the fame or the attention, they begin to get when they when they’re into the role of a spiritual teacher, and then they, you know, they kind of spin out of control and often crash and burn. So it takes a lot of strength and purity and innocence, some of those qualities you mentioned earlier, innocence and simplicity and so on, to assume a more public role, and not let it be your downfall.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Yes, and it also takes the fire of suffering through it these years, these long years that I’ve been through these dark nights, where I wondered, why am I in a dark night for 10 years? What how are you going to use that information? You know, it’s like, you still get in this place. Like, you could be out speaking to people, you could be Healing Hearts, you know, but you’re in hearing in grief, and you’re crying and, and actually had a grieving group. So I mean, I definitely went to was working with people within that group, and they were touching my heart, we were all gently being taken care of. And I learned from that I felt that I was part of that experience. So it’s, you know, it’s your try, you really are tried through it. Yeah, I experience.

Rick Archer: And you know, there are some traditions, I think I was talking about this last week or the week before with somebody that in certain traditions such as Zen, if you have an awakening, you know, the teacher says you Okay, fine. Now, wait 10 years before you start teaching, you know, there’s supposed to be this, this sort of, you know, holding period, where you mature into it, and you don’t just go rushing out and put up a shingle.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Oh, no, in the beginning, it’s like, it’s heart fluttering. It’s like, you know, when you can contain it, when you’re in love, you know, you can’t contain it, and you’re making a fool of yourself. But you know, and then you think after you integrate this, there’s some kind of tests, the tests get harder. And the challenges and the firings of life, get harder. And though maybe, you know, it feels like sort of you’ve been through this purification, but your life has become a service to all life. And whatever your fires are, you embrace them, and where you can embrace them, is where you need to burn.

Rick Archer: Yeah. So now that you have done this interview, and a lot of people are going to find out about you. Do you see yourself playing a more public role? Or is it just going to be this interview? I mean, do you want to interact with people in a more proactive way than you have been?

Jane Anderson-Ross: Well, it seems to appear that the blog appeared, yes, there needs to be something it

Rick Archer: was not a heck of a lot going on with that blog is not a heck of a blog.

Jane Anderson-Ross: There has been people that have contacted me through Skype, you know, and phone consults.

Rick Archer: So do you feel like you could be a benefit to people doing phone consults, and Skype consults? And you would want to charge a little bit of money or something for your time or whatever, however you want to do

Jane Anderson-Ross: it? Yeah. So it doesn’t, I have to get out of the way and do whatever’s next to do and if that’s what’s next to do, then that’s absolutely in line. Yeah. But I’m not, I’m not really attached to it, but I’m open, you’re open to whatever. Yeah, whatever needs to unfold, you know, I don’t know what that would be like. So I can’t really surmise. But I am open, because I’m always open to loving and loving hearts. And people that I’m most attracted to, or people that really want to do the work that really are looking to find their heart. You know, those are the people that I love to have around me, people that have been through a lot of fire and haven’t even had some kind of connection or personal relationship. You know, people that suffer a lot, they tend to be around me. And so then they’re able to find love, find compassion, and friendship and acceptance. And I think acceptance is really important. So I think people like that, you know, not people who are trying to find the answer with the minds and, you know, like, what, what am I going to tell you? What could I tell you? I can only love you. And I think that’s the whole message. Nice. And that’s the defines message.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Is there some kind of a contact thing on your blog, so if people want to email you or contact you, they can

Jane Anderson-Ross: No, but I’ll have to make sure there is

Rick Archer: no better to do that by Monday. Okay,

Jane Anderson-Ross: I will. By Monday, my husband will help me hopefully, yeah.

Rick Archer: And it’s a debt. Well, I’ll tell you this later is just a technical thing about your blog. But um, okay, so Is there anything else that we should cover? That, you know, you’re going to think about? And our Fernanda, I should have said that anything else like that

Jane Anderson-Ross: I just listened to one of your interviews and there was a fellow los Richard strips. And he said, and he said, There’s nothing you need to do. What did he say? Oh, so beautiful. There’s you can you just need to love this person, you know. And I think that that’s just the whole, that’s the entire message is to get out of the way. Keep loving. And keep finding, keep finding your heart and don’t give up. Know that you are love. And that’s the entry point. Find your goodness and expand it.

Rick Archer: That’s beautiful. And I won’t try to improve upon it by elaborating, but that’s great. Okay, so yeah, thank you, Jane. So I’ve been speaking with Jane Anderson Ross, who lives in Rochester who is available by Skype to any place in the world. And we’ll see how things unfold for you who, who appears to have a book or two in her or in her notes. And it’ll be interesting to sort of see how things go for you. Yeah, because I think you’re kind of a little different, you know, then a lot of people I’ve interviewed and there’s, there’s just something very, kind of, like you said, well, love word is that really comes across as a lot a lot. irradiate a lot of love. And there’s kind of a few uniqueness and originality or something in the way in the way you present yourself, which I really like. I think other people like it too

Jane Anderson-Ross: appreciate that. Yeah.

Rick Archer: So I’ll be linking to Jane’s blog as I always link to people’s websites and things and you can get in touch with her through that if you’d like and see what comes of it. And as I said in the beginning, and as most of you know, this is an ongoing series of interviews, there are hundreds of them now. And I continue, I intend to continue doing this until my last breath. Because I love it. And you know, it’s my way of being an instrument of the Divine as we the point we started out with in this interview. So if you you know, want to explore some of the older ones, go back to the past interviews menu on BatGap comm. And actually, more people listen to this as an audio podcast, and then view it as a video thing on YouTube. So if you don’t have time to sit for two hours and watch something in front of your computer, subscribe to the audio podcast, you can listen to it while commuting or something. Then also on the site, you’ll see a place to sign up to be notified by email each time a new interview is posted, which is usually one a week. And there’s a Donate button which I mentioned at the beginning, which we appreciate people contributing if they can, and few other things. There’s even like little fun things like you know, ring tones you can put on your phone, the BatGap theme so, so poke around among the menus and you’ll see that stuff. So thanks for listening or watching and thank you again, Jane. Thank you, and we’ll see you next time.

Jane Anderson-Ross: Okay, bye bye

Rick Archer: bye