142. Eliza Mada Dalian

It is said that out of a thousand beings who become enlightened, only one becomes a master who is able to individually guide others out of the complexities of their personal illusions. Eliza Mada Dalian is one such rare being. Affectionately known as Mada, she brings an evolutionary approach to health, personal transformation, and enlightenment. Mada is a modern day mystic, spiritual guide, internationally acclaimed master healer, seven time award-winning best-selling author of “In Search of the Miraculous: Healing into Consciousness,” creator of “No-Yes Active Meditation” CDs, and “Transcending the Fear of Death and the Unknown” guided meditation. She is also the founder of the evolutionary “Dalian Method for Health and Consciousness” – a groundbreaking self-healing method that helps you identify and permanently erase the causes of energetic blocks, fear and pain from the body’s cellular memory, transforming ailments into health and self-empowered consciousness.

Mada’s own quest for truth began at age five when she witnessed her grandfather’s death. At age twenty-four she came across the teachings of the renowned 20th century spiritual teachers George Gurdjieff and Osho. Their words deeply affected her and she left behind her training in education and architecture to devote herself to the search for truth and spiritual enlightenment. After years of meditation and introspection she was blessed with many profound experiences that led to the “ultimate” experience of enlightenment at age thirty-three.

Mada is a no-nonsense practical teacher who doesn’t encourage dependency, rather, self-responsibility. Her teaching style clearly embodies the Chinese proverb “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.” Mada unconditionally and compassionately guides individuals through their life challenges and helps to fast-forward their journey to greater health and spiritual awakening. Mada travels internationally offering private sessions, workshops, self-healing seminars and retreats to individuals, children, and organizations. She also conducts Online Courses and DM Teacher Training. For more information visit:

Mada’s website: MadaDalian.com
FACEBOOK: www.facebook.com/MadaDalian
TWITTER: www.twitter.com/MadaDalian
YOUTUBE: www.youtube.com/MadaDalian




Interview recorded 10/13/2012

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

239 thoughts on “142. Eliza Mada Dalian

  1. Humblest thanks, to you both, Ising and Snow.

    Not to turn it into a one-man show, here is the last one from a while ago. Btw, Anvar is my middle name:


    Were all the rush has gone –


    Suspended will, desires are none –


    No remorse left, instead –


    Only the humming of bees –


    Soothing the Heart, broken into –


    Who am I ? echoing –


    I’m That, never born –

    Ocean of ever flawing



    – Anvar, Sep 2002 -

  2. Valentino:

    Is that a shaka hand gesture I see in your pic? Can’t absolutely tell ’cause my ‘puter is a dinosaur..

    If is it, aloha!.

    My daughter was born on Oahu.


  3. Peter,
    Yes, that’s a shaka sign, the photo was taken last year on the island of Oahu, while I was hiking to a small waterfall off the old Pali highway.

    I have visited Hawaii 3 times, with one visit for 30 days, so I did get a taste for the local lingo, customs and food, but wouldn’t consider myself a local. Never fully got into the Pidgen slang language. I did visit Philippines several times totaling about 2.5 years, so I am familiar with the island lifestyle though.

    South Park’s most recent episode #12 of season 16 actually pokes fun of Hawaii, their customs, and the separation between locals & tourists. It also shares some great insights into anger, Butters who is normally overly positive, kind, nice and a bit of a pushover, suddenly goes ballistic and is pissed off at anyone and everything. But with that anger, he is also brutally honest and shares some very critical but also honest observations of the other characters and their flaws. Sometimes some TV shows share some great lessons on human psychology, the writers have to be both creative but also have studied human behavior.

    The latest South Park episode is available for free online at southparkstudios dot com.

    Mahalo for the greet..

    Aloha nui loa (very much love, very much aloha)

  4. Valentino: I love South Park, I have referred to it here before. No holds barred on that show, and yes, some wonderful insights into human psychology. And sometimes, it just feels good to laugh your arse off. They make it an even playing ground. No one, and I mean no one, is off limits or too special to be made fun of. Irreverant and enlightening simultaneously. oops……this should be in general comments.

  5. I am surprised by the analysis of children’s perception of kissing and sexuality. Yes children call kissing by adults “yucky” and are not eager to see it, but is this due to conditioning? My parents never told me to look away from kissing. Are we to attribute all age-related differences in perception of sexuality to heavy handed onerous conditioning by parents and religion?

  6. If sexual abuse were higher among clerics that are abstinent, how would one demonstrate that as a fact and a cause? How would one really know that? The alternative hypothesis would be that some sexual abuse victims later in adulthood enter professions where society says they can “check their sexuality at the door” in hopes of avoiding the psychic shadow of the trauma of youth. I worry when gurus make big assumptions about sociology.

  7. I suspect, batfly, that the boobtube exerts a lot of influence in how its addicted viewers respond to kissing and sexuality.

    I grew up watching the grown-ups of Father Knows Best, The Donna Reed Show, and Leave It To Beaver sparingly kiss. Kissing, on the boobtube today, is a whole different viewing experience then it was then. So are sexual acts.

    I cannot think of a bigger influence today… in the arenas of sex and displays of affection… than the boobtube.

    P.S. I grew up wanting to be as good a kisser as James West was on Wild, Wild West.

  8. I was raised in a family where overt, comfortable displays of tactile affection, even hugging, let alone talk about sex, were not the norm. Not that there was no affection at all, or an implicit sense of it, but for whatever reason — personality traits, past parental influence, cultural tradition, media taboos, all such forms of conditioning — it just wasn’t encouraged. I would be hesitant to generalize, however, because I know of other families of the same era, and similar milieu, who were more open and at ease about it. And not surprisingly, in both examples, those tendencies tended to be passed on to the next generation. In any case, it would seem unlikely that there is any innate human trait in children, to be uncomfortable with seeing their parents, or any adults, kissing publicly. And if they should consider it ‘yucky,’ that surely has to be learned, conditioned behavior, from any number of possible influences, not just their parents.

    Regarding batfly’s comment on those who have been sexually abused as children who grow up to become sexual abusers, and why they may be attracted to certain walks of life, I would tend to agree. However, it would seem most likely that there is a clear tendency for them to enter careers, or pastimes, where there is regular involvement with kids — leaders of youth organizations, coaching youth sports, etc — for the obvious reason of opportunity. Case in point, here in Canada, it has been recently revealed that Scouts Canada has had issues with volunteers sexually abusing youth in its care, for a very long time. And, unfortunately, there are many similar examples all over the world. So certainly the clergy, and the practice of sexual abstinence in general, are not alone in culpability.

  9. Eagerly awaiting the next interview. I sure hope the only mention it makes of Osho is Phlbrrrttt! since the guy makes my teeth ache ;’)

  10. Deep thoughts Ernest and Valentino.
    I love the devotional side too, especially the singing, the bhajans etc
    Only love will satisfy, the attempt to work it all out leads to more confusion …and a headache.
    Val you are an empath, bringing us back to emotional realities..”So heavenly minded, no earthly good”, can I use that? Life is wild, isn’t it?
    Nice poems.
    Here’s a quote for you cyber from a certain Mr. Rajneesh, is that better?
    “life is a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved”
    That’s a rare superpower he’s using on you from his ashes…
    Will you be needing a trip to the transcendentist, or maybe some Dynamic meditation… ;-)
    Vama vs Mada showdown…bring it on. Tickets at the box office… :-)

  11. @cybervigilante It was a certified Osho-free interview. Hope to post it before I leave for the SAND conference tomorrow morning. Taking a bit longer than usual to prepare for posting.

  12. My apologies to Igor and everyone who has been waiting for my note. I’ve been very busy… so here we are!

    Let me start by saying that though on some level I feel the moment has passed and much water has flown down the Ganges to meet the ocean, to honour my earlier commitment to write I will address some of your points raised earlier.

    Firstly, I must confess that I do not enjoy intellectual banters! I have never read a single scripture in my entire life. I can only comment on my personal experiences. My work is practical and to the point. I see what is in the energy (layers of the unconscious patterns) and give guidance on what one can do to transform their pain and suffering and experience the inner stillness and light of consciousness for themselves. The Truth is already within each person. All that is needed is to peal away the layers of unconscious beliefs that are preventing one from recognizing their eternal being that is never born and never dies. With this in mind, I will do my best to say a few words about my experience about deep sleep and consciousness, keeping in mind that consciousness is intrinsically built in within everyone and everything in existence.

    Just as there are many levels of wakefulness, there are also many levels within sleep. Osho names 5 and describes each level very eloquently. Every person experiences all these levels at various times and in various degrees but rarely becomes aware of them all. The level of awareness through these levels will greatly depend to how much consciousness the individual has cultivated in their current and previous lives. All the five levels could be recognized if the person is fully awake in their ability to watch and witness everything at all times. Our ability to witness and remain conscious during sleep is proportionate to how much we are able to witness in our wakeful state.

    My experience/awareness of deep sleep is that of space similar to the gap that exists between incoming and outgoing breath. What I mean by “black hole” is a state where you are in the universal belly of existence, much like the mother’s womb, where everything is dark. This darkness, however, is conscious and full of possibilities and potential, like the unborn child, or the new day that you will enter after coming out of sleep. And of course, no one knows what those possibilities are, unless they are lived, experienced and manifested into material reality.

    In the state of deep sleep, the “gap” is also where we enter into an absolute state of transcendence where nothing moves and the ego does not exist. Thus my description of it using the word ‘nirvana.’ In this state of Nirvana there is simply consciousness that is aware that the Universe is a vast unknowable space out of which arise all the possibilities that come to light moment-to-moment, in the here and now. Light is simply one of the manifestations that arises out of darkness. The darkness helps for the light to be seen. In other words, the darkness the black hole helps for the light of consciousness that emerges out of it to be seen.

    The second point: you say, “she put herself above a thousand teachers she has opened herself to criticism.” The statement that out of thousand enlightened souls one become a master comes from Osho. This is a profound statement that only masters can understand! To be a master one must have a deepest understanding of human condition, compassion for human pain and suffering, and a willingness to find ways to existentially elevate suffering caused by unconsciousness. A master is someone who knows that this cannot be done through words and scriptures alone. Though helpful in the beginning, they become a barrier to the seeker experiencing the truth for themselves. A master is someone who knows that talking about Truth can take the seeker only to a certain point, after that they need to experience the Truth for themselves. To help the seeker experience the Truth for themselves and heal into consciousness , the master creates practical tools.

    Another important role of a master is that he/she can see deep into the seekers inner darkness and can shine his/her own light so the seeker can see into their inner darkness and thus transform it into consciousness. A master does the “dirty work” of stepping into the seekers unconscious and helping them face and transform their fear, pain, conditionings, and array of so-called ‘problems.’ By doing so the master knows that during the process of transformation the seeker will many times doubt, question, and even attack the master for disturbing his/her sleep.

    A teacher on the other hand, is someone who imparts knowledge and concepts. He or she cannot see what is happening inside the other person’s unconscious or directly help them identify and transform the causes of their suffering.

    Lastly, have you ever thought that experience of enlightenment can be manifested differently for a woman as it is for a man? Even someone the caliber of Osho humbly stated that he could not fully comment on how a woman would experience the gift of awakening because he was a man (and I must say that he has come the closest to knowing and describing how it is). A woman is not interested in logical representation of Truth. And as far as I know, no woman has ever created scriptures or talks much about them. In other words, she does not impart knowledge but rather works from a place of inner wisdom and compassion that reside in the depth of the heart. She is practical and down to earth. We call women who know the truth wise. Similarly, the men who are called wise are those who are able to surrender to the wisdom that abides within the woman’s heart.
    Love and blessings to everyone :)
    ~ Mada

  13. “Firstly, I must confess that I do not enjoy intellectual banters! I have never read a single scripture in my entire life. I can only comment on my personal experiences.”

    No finer source (personal experience) to form your observations, Mada. Kudos for acknowledging that.

    The dance of conceptualization can be an intoxicating one. Clean and sober has its distinct advantages.

    “The Truth is already within each person. All that is needed is to peal away the layers of unconscious beliefs that are preventing one from recognizing their eternal being that is never born and never dies ”

    I appreciate your assignment of the primacy of authority to the individual himself/herself, instead of an external authority figure.

    And I also appreciate your observation that the only task that deserves our attention is… unveiling/unlayering that which veils us from what is already there: the Truth.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond here. Something that few interviewees do.

  14. Re: rank, title, hierarchy, level, role, duty, position, talent, skill, special powers, etc.

    This a great topic that is worth exploring deeper. Modern spirituality has the benefit of mixture of a wide variety of experiences, teachings, and traditions. But it also lacks a common structure, language, standards, and also limited regulation or oversight.

    It’s easy to turn this into some sort of black/white issue, ie – anti-guru people vs. guru is necessary people. Or some fall into my guru is better than your guru type positioning. Or some say titles are bad vs. titles are good. etc.

    I acknowledge that there are benefits of having titles, rank, hierarchy. From a strictly practical level, it’s a very efficient way of transferring information and organizing people. If everyone was at same levels, nothing would get done, or if it did, it would take 3 times longer, and results would most likely be worse.

    There’s also a lot of harm and abuse that can come from hierarchy. There are many well known stories of teachers, gurus, priests, etc. who have abused their positions of power or influence. But peers and students can equally be just as harmful. Defending someone blindly, putting too much power and faith into a projection of their teacher or guru, too much emphasis on their own rank and progress over humility.

    A lot of the harm and abuse comes from PRIDE. Taking credit for what is only allowed by divine grace. Or giving credit to a teacher or guru, it may seem a benefit from some form of transmission, but everything is allowed only under grace. Or some people are born with blessings of unique talents, awakening experiences when young, or just unusual gifts. That talent was given, by divine grace, identifying, taking credit for, and putting yourself above others due to that, is very prideful.

    Instead of pride, if grace has blessed someone with awakenings, realizations, talents, special powers, mastery, etc. The focus would be better placed on personal DUTY; to best use those gifts from divine grace, that would be a sign of gratitude, appreciation and humility.

    There’s too much focus on blaming positions or others, projecting responsibility onto the external world. There needs to be equal focus on personal responsibility and inner motivations.

    ……… Just some food for thought… ;-)

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