Tanis Helliwell Interview

Summary:

• Introduction: Tanis Helliwell has seen higher realms and communicated with masters, angels, and elementals since childhood.
• Elementals: She describes elementals as beings like leprechauns, brownies, pixies, goblins, trolls, elves, and tree devas.
• Multi-dimensional Universe: Tanis explains that our three-dimensional reality is a hologram and that we are moving towards higher frequency realms.
• Spiritual Transformation: She founded the International Institute for Transformation in 2000, focusing on spiritual transformation.
• Books: Some of her popular books include “The Dragon’s Tale,” “Hybrids, So You Think You Are Human,” and “Good Morning, Henry.”
• Aquarian Age: Tanis mentions that in the next 2,000 years, telepathy, clairaudience, clairvoyance, and clairsentience will become the norm.

Full transcript:

Tanis: This is in many ways available to all of us and that this is becoming more and more prevalent  and this is where we are all going to be going in this Aquarian Age.  So, within this next 2,000 year period, we are looking at telepathy, clairaudience, clairvoyance,  and clairsentience as being the norm.

Rick: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer.  Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of conversations with spiritually awakening people.  My guest this week is Tanis Helliwell. Tanis has seen higher realms and spoken with  masters, angels, and elementals since childhood. And by elementals, we mean things like leprechauns,  brownies, pixies, goblins, trolls, elves, tree devas, and more. She walks in many worlds.  She has led tours in this world to sacred sites for two decades and was a management consultant  working for over 30 years. And in 2000, she founded the International Institute for Transformation,  specializing in spiritual transformation. A true mystic, who has worked with masters in higher realms  since childhood, her gift is assisting others to develop a soul-infused personal life in harmony  with spiritual laws. Her knowledge and understanding of other worlds and spiritual realms can be found  in some of her most popular books. I’ve read three of them in the past couple of weeks,  including “The Dragon’s Tale,” “Hybrids, So You Think You Are Human,” and “Good Morning, Henry,  An In-Depth Journey With The Body Intelligence.” So, Tanis, I was thinking we could start by trying to  lay a foundation, because, you know, some people are going to hear leprechauns, brownies, pixies,  goblins, trolls, elves, and tree devas and think, “Oh, where? What happened to Rick? Did he go nuts?”  And so I’m going to ask you some questions that will enable you, enable us to put all this in  context and perhaps make it easier for people to understand how such things could exist and  why an understanding of them might be relevant to someone who aspires to self-realization,  for instance. So maybe you could start by just explaining the multi-dimensional nature of  the universe.

Tanis: Oh, well. Do we want the one-line version or the two-hour version here?

Rick: Somewhere in between.

Tanis: Okay. Most of us here are looking at this three-dimensional reality,  but it is a hologram. So, beings, enlightened beings from all over the world, have always  said, we are a dream within a dream. This is a dream being dreamt by God. So, what I see  is, yes, here we are, but we know scientifically that we are 99.9% ether. But people don’t see  us as ether, Rick, we see ourselves as physical reality. So, in other words, we don’t actually  see reality anyway. We don’t. So, in my way of looking at it, this is a kindergarten for  all of us to learn how to become conscious creators. So, I don’t want to put it down  and underestimate its value. However, there are many different realms, and we are now moving  to the astral realm, a realm of higher frequency.

Rick: We, meaning humanity.

Tanis: Humanity. Humanity and the Earth and all beings on the Earth, actually. But we are moving  up now to a higher frequency. And in this other frequency, in this astral world, there are  many, as Jesus said, “In my house there are many mansions.” So there’s the astral,  elemental world, and that’s just a little bit higher than the frequency we’re in. And  this is why so many people are interested in elementals, nature spirits by another name,  and why they are even having breakthroughs and seeing elementals.  You might see it out of the corner of your eye, just going quickly by you.  You may hear a word, something like that.  But there are other domains as well.  And I was, when I was preparing for this, and I probably haven’t prepared as well as you  have, but when I was preparing for this, I thought that I would read something. When I meditate,  my personal way of meditating is Self-Realization Fellowship, and that was founded by Paramahansa  Yogananda. And there is a lineage there. And his master was Sri Yukteswar. And after Sri Yukteswar  died, physically died, he appeared to Paramahansa Yogananda, and this is in the “Autobiography of a  Yogi.” And Yogananda was able to physically hold him for two hours and ask him, “What are you doing now?”  And Sri Yukteswar said, and I’m going to read this, the exact words, if I can find the exact words,  he said, “I’m in a higher astral universe.” And he says, “The ordinary astral universe is peopled  with millions of astral beings who have come more or less recently from the earth and also with  myriads of fairies, mermaids, fishes, animals, goblins, gnomes, demigods, and spirits,  all residing in different astral planets in accordance with karmic qualifications.”  And when he said this, he said there are people who will need to know about this in the future.  So write it in your book. So this seems to be my life work. For many years I wrote about elementals,  but I have seen other beings for a long, long time, ever since I was born, actually. So,  it’s almost as if, in myself, it has unwrapped itself, and that I started with elementals,  and then went on to some of these other beings who are also working with humanity.

Rick: So when you see elementals, and have seen them throughout your life, is it like it would be for  me seeing birds on the tree and squirrels on the ground and things like that? Are they that obvious  or is it somehow more ethereal or vague or, you know, almost imaginary in some respect?

Tanis: Well, I see it with my third eye.

Rick: Okay.

Tanis: So, it’s helpful for me. It’s like a radio station, and I just tune it to a different station.  So right now, I’m with you, but I can tune it to a different station.  And it is extremely easy, just like someone turning a dial.

Rick: Can you be on two stations at once?  Could you be walking down the street or talking to me and seeing me or seeing the street and  yet seeing like subtle beings?

Tanis: Almost, almost.  For example, say there was a third person in our conversation here and I’m having a conversation  with you, but there’s some important question that person is wanting to ask.  I will pick up what that question is.  So for me, it’s not just seeing, it’s also hearing.

Rick: Okay, so different senses.

Tanis: Yes, it is.  And I really believe that this is, although we’re focusing on me currently, I believe  that this is, in many ways, available to all of us, and that this is becoming more and  more prevalent, and this is where we are all going to be going in this Aquarian Age.  So, within this next 2,000-year period, we are looking at telepathy, clairaudience, clairvoyance,  and clairsentience as being the norm.

Rick: Yeah.  And, of course, there have been people throughout history who are reputed to have had those capabilities,  And you know, many people wouldn’t believe that they did, but many people would.  And there are some scientists like Dean Radin and others who are trying to verify that people  can have these abilities.  And of course, there are near-death experiencers who see things down the hall or across the  earth while they’re under anesthesia, and then that’s verified.  And so there’s Rupert Sheldrake, you know, dogs that know when their owners are coming  homes, even dogs have such abilities. So, you know, this kind of stuff is in the histories  and folklores and mythologies and everything of humanity all over the earth, and either  everybody has the same imaginations about such things, or there’s actually something  going on that people have chronicled.

Tanis: That’s right, that’s right. And now that we’re a global community, we can actually  examine how this is coming out everywhere, and I know you’ve been speaking with a lot  of scientists, and scientists also are starting to cross over to where spirituality was.  So they’re in this realm now where the two are meeting, and I think this is wonderful.  I mean, as Einstein said, you know, unless a person has a sense of awe, they’re like  a candle without a wick.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: And so, we’re moving into this place.

Rick: Yeah, it’s great.  So, you actually made a point that alluded to a question, the next question I was going  to ask you, which is that, you know, you mentioned that all of humanity might be rising to a point  where such capabilities become the norm, and you know, you opened your book, “The Dragon’s  Tale,” with the question, well, why would somebody who was interested in self-realization even  care about these things?  And you went into a whole story about your stay with Prajnaparamita, who I consider a  friend.  I interviewed her about nine years ago.  She has an ashram in France and, you know, she is a non-duality teacher.  She doesn’t teach the kind of things you talk about, but she invited you there to talk to  her students about this kind of thing, and so how would you answer that question? How  is all this stuff relevant to somebody whose primary motivation is self-realization or  enlightenment? Couldn’t this stuff be a distraction to them?

Tanis: Well, isn’t this funny, because Prajnaparamita emailed me today.

Rick: Hmm. I’ve been meaning to email her and say, “Hi, I’m going to have this interview,”  but I didn’t get around to it.

Tanis: I never mentioned to her I was having this interview with you because I didn’t know that  you knew her.  So you see, these are the kinds of “coincidences,” synchronicities that allow people to know  they’re on the right track, right?  If we listen to these and we act on them, it becomes confirming for us.  So I think the reason that Prajnaparamita, who is a friend as well, wanted me to go to  her ashram to teach about the astral world, is there’s many ways through.  And being a non-duality teacher, as you said, her goal is to help people with self-realization  or enlightenment.  And that is the path up, it’s the direct path.  But that path is not available to all of us.  That path can be the Galahad Path, if you like, in the, you know, the story of the quest for  the Holy Grail.  I am a Percival person.  I’m in the, I work with people in the dark night of the soul.  I work with people, I mean, I’m a psychotherapist by training.  So I work with people who are having spiritual breakthroughs, but they are not enlightened.  They’re starting to, you know, see things or having intuitions or their life is falling  apart in the third-dimensional reality, and they’re wanting assistance with this.  So, I think that it’s very important, if we’re still living in this world, this third-dimensional  reality, and we’re not enlightened, that we are grounded and that we are functioning.  And so, in order to do that, we need to be able to work our way through these various  realms and still stay grounded and functioning and know how to make a Zoom call and pay our  bills and drive our car.  Otherwise, we have to, as Eckhart Tolle did, sit on a park bench in Vancouver for seven  years, waiting until he could function.  But there’s no time for that now, Rick.  We’re going through this massive transformation, this quantum leap, currently.  So we who are here are pioneers to bridge the two worlds, the Piscean and the Aquarian.  So I’m not fully in the Aquarian, I’m a bridge.  And so, my talent, if you like, is to help people find the linkages as they go up through  these various realms.  Did that answer your question?

Rick: Sure, but I have more.  But wait, there’s more!

Tanis: Good!

Rick: Yeah, so the word “enlightenment,” I always have to qualify it if I use it or anyone uses  it, because it kind of implies an end point, and I don’t think there is an end point for  anybody.  In fact, one of my favorite quotes is from St. Teresa of Avila, she said, “It appears  that the Lord himself is on the journey.”  And so, you know, if God is, then certainly Yogananda and Babaji and Prajnaparamita and  you and I and everybody else are moving along up some endless spiritual spectrum, if you will, and  um –

Tanis: We are on the same page. I believe God is evolving as well.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: And that we’re part,  our evolution is part of his evolution. And the more that we grow, the more he or she or it grows.

Rick: Yeah, that’s well put. In fact,  some would say, Vedanta would say, that there’s nothing but God or Brahman, and so if we are  evolving, then in some respect, God must be evolving.

Tanis: I am absolutely convinced of this same thing.

Rick: Yeah. And it would stand to reason, it seems to me, that if there’s, I mean, we  could play around with the word enlightenment for a minute. You were talking a minute ago  about needing to remain grounded and integrated, regardless of how cosmically aware you become.  Ram Dass said something about remembering your social security number when you’re kind of  exploring the cosmos or something like that. And to my, if I’m going to use the word,  the way I like to define it is a holistic development in which all the various  faculties, emotions, intellect, sensory refinement, and whatever other faculties we have, are  simultaneously developed.  Ken Wilber talks about lines of development, and he talks about how consciousness, the consciousness  line can get way out of whack with some of the other lines,  so a person could seem to have highly evolved consciousness and yet be emotionally stunted and perhaps  behaviorally abusive and so on.  So, you know, I kind of like that holistic, and if enlightenment is a holistic development,  then at some point, it’s going to include the subtle sensory capabilities that you talk  about and write about.

Tanis: Yes, well this for me, what you’re describing, to evolve all aspects of ourself simultaneously,  is what I think is the Percival Path, and it’s much more integrated.  However, who knows what our destiny is, right?  Some people, as you mentioned, could be enlightened, and I won’t dispute that, but they may be  emotionally very stunted.

Rick: Yeah.  In which case, I don’t want to use the word enlightenment.  Let’s not use that word.

Tanis: But let’s just say that they have had a breakthrough in consciousness where they  are, where they actually know, I like that word know, they actually know, so it’s not  a theoretical idea that this is an illusionary world, that they actually have a breakthrough  in consciousness of knowing and living and being that.  Right now, I’m not enlightened.  Prajnaparamita says there’s only the thinest veil between enlightenment and where I am,  but that’s very kind of her.  But I’m not enlightened, but this idea for me of progressing through the steps is quite important  because this is just one incarnation we have, and even after we finish this incarnation,  I believe we have to go through astral incarnations and then causal incarnations.  And in the astral, we do need to work on our emotional state and make sure that we can neutralize  negative emotions and move towards positive ones.  And then in our causal state, we have to work on our thoughts that produce the positive or  negative emotions that result in positive or negative actions. So, if we do our work here  where we’re working both emotionally and mentally, then this hastens the amount of time we’re  going to stay in these astral or causal states, because we are working on all levels simultaneously.

Rick: Yeah, and wouldn’t you agree that we may have many more human incarnations, too,  in addition to spending time in these subtler realms?

Tanis: Oh, yes.

Rick: Yeah, because we made it sound like, okay, right after this life, we’re going to  the astral and causal and we won’t be coming back here again.

Tanis: Well, it depends on our evolution, doesn’t it?  And you know, as many people say, I don’t know if you would subscribe, maybe, to the  idea that possibly, before we even get to the point, Rick, where we’re having a conversation  like this, we have had thousands of lifetimes worked up, you know, through our animal state.  Mm-hmm.

Rick: Yeah, which is also things that, I mean, Yogananda,  I’m sure, talked about this and, you know, many others.  So who was his name?  I interviewed a guy about him recently.  You know, he’ll come to me, that guy who didn’t speak for 50 years or something, Meher Baba,  he had this book about, kind of detailed, long book about all the various stages of evolution  one can go through before becoming human.  And actually, I have a question about that, because you talked about it in your book a  little bit, this is a little bit of a tangent, but, you know, if you consider the number  of microbes in a cubic centimeter of earth, there’s probably thousands if not millions  of them, if those are actually little beings that are going to evolve up the scale over  a long, long period of time, then it somehow seems that when you get to more evolved levels,  there must be either a conglomeration of souls, if those beings have souls, or something,  because there are fewer of us than there are, I mean, there are probably, you know, 10,000 earthworms  in my yard, but there’s only two humans in this house.  So how do you account for the math involved if souls evolve up and yet when we get to higher  levels there seem to be fewer of them?

Tanis: Well, one thing that occurs to me is that we’re group souls.

Rick: Mm hmm.

Tanis: You know, that there are group souls at lower levels of evolution.

Rick: We humans are like a beehive as a group, so…

Tanis: Yeah, we individualize.

Rick: I see.

Tanis: So at some point, there’s more individualization that occurs, so that maybe at lower levels of  evolution, there are more groups evolving. But then, another part of me, because I’m kind of a  both/and person rather than an either/or person. But another part of me thinks, hmm, collective  unconscious. So, yes, you could say you and I are both individualized, but there are only so many  patterns that humans go through, really. So many fears we have, so many vices we could have,  so many positive emotions that we could have. There’s only so many patterns.  And so, in the collective unconscious of all humanity, whether you’re living in Africa or in  North America, they’re still all human. So, there’s this collective. And this collective,  to me, is also a group soul. So that, yeah, so that as we take responsibility for affecting  our own lives in the most positive way we can, I think we talked about changing God,  and maybe God’s evolving, and maybe the whole collective unconscious of humanity is evolving  at the same time.

Rick: Yeah, so what I hear you saying is that, at every level, there can be group souls.  You know, there could be, I don’t know, eagles have a kind of collective eagle consciousness,  or beehives, a collective consciousness, and so on. And humans, although we are individual  consciousnesses, we also are comprised of trillions of cells, each of which have their  own little consciousness, so we, in a sense, are a collective. And even the microbiome, which isn’t  even human, there are more of those kind of cells than there are human cells in us. And so that, you  know, all in all, we’re a collective. And then you’re taking it out to broader levels to say  that there could, you know, there’s a collective Canadian soul and a collective American soul and…

Tanis: Yes.

Rick: And so on, and a global soul.

Tanis: Yeah, I really I think that’s true and I often talk about the archetypes that each of our countries  works with. So, for example, you have the eagle, we have the beaver.  Almost every time. I know, industrious, hardworking, sticks in its own little pod and  makes a nice environment for others, but, you know, doesn’t go very far away. And I think there’s  something that, in the Canadian personality, it is very, yeah, very at home in this kind of  a small world. If Canadians want to become famous, Rick, they leave Canada. Oh, I’m serious.

Rick: Like Joni Mitchell.

Tanis: Yeah, well I could go on. Neil Young and even Eckhart Tolle. You know, we could go on because we have something in our personality which is so compromising that we almost are more comfortable with mediocre.

Rick: Hmm, and the positive side is that Canadians have, and I’m sure there are always exceptions, but they have a  reputation for being nice, you know,  polite and, you know, not kind of in your face like your typical New Yorker.

Tanis: That’s right because we  often do not stand up for ourselves.  We compromise, and we’re, you know, and so that is a wonderful quality.  But taken to its extreme, it isn’t good.  So, when I think of, you know, the most wonderful world archetype we could have, it would be  putting together sort of the American and the Canadian, would mean, okay, we’re assertive,  but we wouldn’t step on others.

Rick: Yeah, so the reason we’re saying all this and the reason this is relevant is that we’re saying that there’s a  collective consciousness to each  area, each nation, which in itself is like a being, and it has a personality,  and it is perhaps influenced by  all the individual humans who make it up but it’s more than sum of its parts.

Tanis: And why are we born in one country than another? You know, often people look at  the fact of, you know, who is my mother, who is my father, and that this  determines me. But I think what determines us also is the country we  choose to be born in, that this affects our personality, and for good reason.  The spirit doesn’t have any accidents.  It’s got a plan that it has to mold us in a certain way.

Rick: Yeah, and you just made a point that my guest  last week also made, which is that we choose to be born to a particular set of parents,  in a particular set of circumstances, which some people would like scratch their heads  at, why would I have chosen this?

Tanis: Well, some people, I always say it’s, you  could call it a challenge or you could call it an opportunity.

Rick: Yeah.  Okay, good.  So, let’s keep going.  So, what we’ve covered so far is that there are all these higher realms, all these strata  of creation, that most people are, most humans are not aware of them, but there are beings  in all these levels which may or may not be aware of us.  You know, they could just be locked into their own strata, right, their own dimension, and  not interact with humans.  Others might interact.  And so, tell me if you agree with that and explain, let’s elaborate on why this is significant,  why it’s important to understand. What practical or spiritual value does it have for us to  consider it?

Tanis: Yeah, that’s a very interesting question, and you’ve asked it a few times. And this  idea of, as Jesus said, many mansions, and that some of them are much higher frequencies  than ours, these various worlds. So, why would they want to, such as the dragon world, it’s  a much higher frequency than our Earth world.  So why would they want to interact with humans?  Maybe most of them would not.  It might be more like, you know, a certain mission that one would take on if you were  a dragon to come and want to work on lower, heavier frequencies with the poor humans, to  help with their evolution.  So that would be my argument, in that case.  The other is, my brother just died recently, and he was a born-again Christian and believed  very strongly in Jesus, and I believe in Jesus, of course, myself, Jesus the Christ.  He would not say “the Christ,” he would not believe there were other Christed beings, he  would just believe Jesus was the only one. So, I have no doubt my brother has gone  to a heaven, an astral realm, which is a Christian astral realm, where he will be  comfortable with others that have his particular mindset. And should I die or  when I die, I don’t think that is the one I’m going to go to. I’m going to go to a broader  astral universe. Now, maybe I’m going to get visiting privileges with this other one. It’s  possible, but it all depends on our belief system and what we are thinking about. So,  for example, Tibetans in T”he Book of the Dead,” they talk about what you’re thinking about when you die  is the realm you go to. And that’s what I’m saying, because that’s where our frequency is.  That’s where our thoughts are. So, that’s where we will normally just go to.

Rick: Yeah, I’ve heard other people say this too.  And it’s like there’s some kind of departure lounge, which is designed for you, you know,  to fit with your preconceptions of what might happen after you die, so you’ll be comfortable,  you won’t be shocked by the transition, or find yourself hanging out with a bunch of  Hare Krishnas all of a sudden or something. But some also say that after that initial,  you know, transitional phase, then we kind of graduate to a more universal stage that many  people–who’s that guy who wrote Life Between Lives? You know, that psychologist guy,  forget his name.

Tanis: Thomas Verney.

Rick: No, another guy. Yeah, Newman was it? Anyway, it’ll come to me.  But he was a hypnotist and he was hypnotizing people and I think at some point he was doing  past life hypnosis and stuff, and he began to find that people were going to between lives,  and so he began to specialize in that.

Tanis: Newton.

Rick: Yeah, Michael Newton. And so, he began to,  you know, specialize in that, hypnotizing people to go to the between life phase, and he did  hundreds of them, and he found a remarkable consistency between what they all reported  and, you know, what they experienced, what the setup is, who you meet, and then how you  prepare for your next life. It’s called “Life Between Lives,” by Michael Newton.

Tanis: Hmm, I know another one by Thomas Verney, actually.

Rick: Yeah, similar idea, maybe.

Tanis: Yeah. Yeah. I think it all has to do  with frequencies, and that who we are here and what our main resting frequency is, is where we’re going  to go. Now, there can be variety of all the different frequencies that are comfortable for us  in that in-between time, but it’s unlikely that, if we’re a murderer here, when we’re between lives,  all of a sudden, we’re going to be a saint.

Rick: Right. Might have some stuff to work out.

Tanis: Yeah, we may have. Yes. Yeah. So, I think it’s more like that.

Rick: Yeah. Okay. And it’s interesting, as we’re having this discussion, and I’ve had many such  discussions, both on BatGap and in my life in general, I always think like, okay, how do we  really know this? You know, we’ve acquired this belief. I haven’t personally experienced any of  this, maybe you have in some third eye way, but somehow it just feels intuitively right to me.  And maybe it’s because I’ve read so many books and talked to so many people, but there seems to  be a rather common agreement about what we’re talking about here, at least within a certain type  of person. So, it’s just interesting to consider, you know, how do we know what we know?   Have we all just made up a nice fantasy that makes us feel good, or are we all intuiting  some kind of more universal reality?

Tanis: Yeah, and when you first started doing this, Rick, I mean, how many years now have  you been doing Buddha at the Gas Pump?

Rick: Well, I’ve been doing this for 15 years, but I’ve been meditating since I was 18 and  dwelling on such topics.

Tanis: Right, so you have this well-developed inquiring mind and incredible curiosity, and you just  interview people from all different walks of life who are asking similar questions and  coming up with different pieces of information, and you’re putting all these pieces together  in like this pie for yourself.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: So, and this is, you know, and this is wonderful to do that, and when you, and the more pieces  you get to it, the more that substantiates or reinforces your belief in the rightness  of this.  But underneath it all, you have an intuitive sense of this being right.  So you’ve been going fact-finding for all these years, but underneath is your intuition.

Rick: Yeah.  I like something that Aldous Huxley said, he said that the greatest innovation of the  scientific revolution was the scientific method itself and the development of the idea of  the working hypothesis.  So to me, everything is a working hypothesis, you know, all the stuff that you say, all  stuff that anybody says, I think, “Well, interesting hypothesis. Now let’s explore it. What kind of  evidence can we find for it?” And Oprah Winfrey once asked Eckhart Tolle, “What do you believe?”  And he said, “Nothing in particular,” you know, because belief is kind of an irrelevant word.  We’re talking about experiential verification of these things.

Tanis: Yeah, and because I was born seeing and hearing what other people were thinking, or seeing  these other things, I’ve had to come at it a different way.  I’ve had to come at it, because I kept all this secret for a long time.  I’m talking about decades and decades of keeping these things secret and functioning in the  world as like a management consultant or a psychotherapist.  So I’ve come at it from looking for others and other facts to substantiate what is happening  to me.

Rick: Right.

Tanis: Like, do, yeah, do other people see it?  Do, you know, and who are they?  And, you know, how did they get there?  And that kind of thing.

Rick: Yeah, do you know that guy from Findhorn?  What’s his name?  I’ve interviewed him.  It’s not coming to me, but he’s been seeing this stuff all of his life.  And of course, a lot of people have.

Tanis: Yes, they have. And it doesn’t mean  they’ve talked about it all their lives, because there can also be so many traumas that we’ve  carried from other lives about where we’re killed for having these particular things,  or practicing it, or talking about it.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Mm-hmm.

Rick: You were burned as a witch like 500 years ago,  if you talk about this stuff.

Tanis: Yeah,  absolutely, and my mother, my  mother actually, we’re Irish,  and my mother had these kinds of things,  but I grew up in a hardware store,  very practical, very concrete,  and my mother never talked about any  of this,  and yet I would witness like a  customer coming in and she would say,  “Oh, you want a foil roasting pan?” and the  customer would say, “Well, how did you know?”. And I’d see my mother backtrack and say, “Oh,  I was dusting them. I must have had it on my mind.”

Rick: Interesting.

Tanis: And she’d cover her tracks.

Rick: Yeah. David Spangler, that’s the guy I was just thinking of from…

Tanis: Yes.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Lorian, the Lorian Foundation.

Rick: Right. Yeah, so it’s kind of, coming back to your earlier point about, you know,  we’ll evolve as a society, hopefully, and you said 2,000 years, hopefully a lot of it will be a lot  sooner than 2,000 years, we’ll evolve as a society to the point where this kind of thing becomes the  norm. And it’s interesting to consider how quickly norms can change. I mean, if you think of what  things were like in the 1850s, for instance, and what we understood to be possible compared with  what we now take for granted, with our airplanes and cell phones and moon landings and all the  other things, norms can change dramatically and people just get accustomed to them.

Tanis: Yeah, I think that truth evolves. If you think of what you believed when you were 20 and what you  believe now, and yet we’re the same person, but our truth evolves as we become more conscious.  And I think this is why Jesus, for example, he spoke in parables, and that allowed people  at one level to hear one story, and it worked for them. And for very wise people, they heard  quite a different story being told. So, how can we do that? You know, be able to speak on many levels  so that it makes sense to, I think that’s the trick, to be able to do that. So, we stay in the world,  we’re functioning, we can talk at so many levels that people can hear it in different ways.

Rick: Yeah, that’s good. There’s an Indian saying that when the mangoes  get ripe, the branches bend down so people can easily pick them.

Tanis: Oh, that’s good. That’s good. Yeah, or I remember the Dalai Lama, one of the things he said, he said,  “Oh, you know, if I had been not born the Dalai Lama,” he said, “I would have been an engineer.  I love tinkering with things.” And he always liked to minimize his gifts and his status,  to bring himself down more to every day level to be able to talk to people. What a gift.

Rick: Yeah, he also said that something like,  somebody asked him, “Well, what if science should conclusively prove that this or that aspect of the  Buddhist teaching is invalid?” And he said, “Then we should change the teaching.” You know?

Tanis: Yeah.

Rick: Yeah. I’m kind of reminded of the 100th monkey story, although I don’t know if that’s a true  story, but how, you know, the monkeys started washing their coconuts in a certain way and then  the monkeys on other islands started doing the same thing because the idea was enlivened in  the collective consciousness of monkeys. So, I’m thinking about, you know, the kinds of things that  you and I are talking about, and we’re going to get into more details in this conversation,  and about how, you know, if one person enlivens this, wakes up to it, it sends ripples,  it propagates into collective consciousness and it increases the likelihood or ease with which  other people can begin to develop the same things. In fact, I think it was Darwin, when he came up with  his theory on the evolution of species, somebody else actually came up with the same thing almost  at the same time and somehow Darwin got the credit, but very often that’ll happen that certain ideas  will just pop up simultaneously or in close succession in various parts of the world because  they’re ready to pop in collective consciousness.

Tanis: I agree, and I think everything that we say or do is recorded in the ethers.  And some people think, “Oh, I haven’t done anything with my life.  I haven’t been very successful.”  And they put themselves down a bit.  And I think, “Oh, no.”  Every single thing in every life matters, that everything is being recorded, and we cannot  evaluate the success of our life based on this one dimension right down here.  We can’t evaluate it.

Rick: That’s true.  And I would just add that life, no matter what you’re living, is a precious opportunity.  It’s a rare opportunity, some would say, to get the chance to be human.  And we can always make great progress, even if we’ve screwed up a lot for quite a while.  I mean, I know people, I’ve interviewed people who were drug addicts and things, and then  had a turnaround and actually their experience they had as a drug addict enabled them to  help people in ways they wouldn’t have been able to otherwise.

Tanis: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, some people go, you know, resist, resist, resist, jump. And  other people go kind of step by step by step by step along, and is there any right way?  I don’t think so.

Rick: Yeah. Another thing I’ve heard, I’m just doing this as a stream of consciousness interview,  but you keep triggering these memories.

Tanis: I know, I’m liking a stream of consciousness interview.

Rick: Yeah. Another thing I’ve heard is that, you know, I don’t know whether people got this  from a near-death experience or how they remembered it, but in their life review,  they were told that some little act of kindness they had done 30 years ago or something was so  significant and it had such a ripple effect and they were really kind of given a nice  pat on the back for that little thing that they had totally forgotten about. So, you never know.

Tanis: Yeah, no, we don’t know. So, all we can do is every day we do our best.

Rick: Yeah. Okay, good. So, let’s get more into the meat of what you write about and talk about and  and everything.  The three books I’ve read, and you’ve written several other books, what would you like to  tackle first among the things I’m familiar with or even some things I haven’t known about  yet that you talk about and write about?

Tanis: I really don’t mind.  You know, Rick, I kind of have no preferences.

Rick: Okay, you want me to call the shots then?

Tanis: Yeah, you call them.

Rick: Alright, so let’s start with the elementals thing.  So in one of your books, “Hybrids, So You Think You’re Human,” you talk about how many  humans, and maybe you can tell us what percentage of humans, are actually a hybrid between human  and one of these subtle beings that we’ve been talking about, such as a leprechaun or  or brownie or something like that. And it doesn’t mean that these subtle beings bred with humans  and you became, it’s more like a merging of souls or something. So, you can describe it  a lot better than I can. So, what’s the basic idea here? And how common is this?

Tanis: Okay, so I’ll go back a wee bit and talk about  when I was a practicing psychotherapist, so we’re going back a good 30 years, and I had  had my experience in Ireland where I had gone to a haunted cottage in order to become enlightened,  and it was haunted by a leprechaun family.  And this leprechaun, by the name of Lloyd, wanted me to write a book about that, 10 years  later, which became “Summer with Leprechauns,” 10 years later.

Rick: Okay, now let me just interrupt you. So you got to this cottage, and did you see little  leprechauns with curled up shoes and whatnot? I mean, how did you know it was haunted by  leprechauns?

Tanis: Well, because I see things.

Rick: So they were pretty obvious to you.

Tanis: Yeah, it was pretty obvious to me. There was this male leprechaun, a female leprechaun,  and two children leprechauns. And I am in this cottage, you know, and I’ve rented it sight unseen,  on the far west coast of Ireland, on Achill Island, and I am there to become enlightened  and to meditate. So, obviously, my summer changed. And this leprechaun, Lloyd, told me  all about elementals and how important they were and how they build everything in the  the earth and, you know, everything. There is a plan and elementals build it.  So he said, in 10 years we want you to write this book about nature spirits and not before  because right now people are even having difficulty believing in angels.  So we’ve got to get people believing in angels before they’re ready to believe in elementals.  So anyway, he’s been in my life all this time.  And —

Rick: Now, interrupt you again.  So what did he look like?  Was he green?  How tall?

Tanis: He looks —

Rick: If we got a good artist to work for you, could he make a picture of him if you could  describe him?

Tanis: To me, he looks similar to a human.  He comes up to… he’s large for — he’s large for a leprechaun.  He comes up to about here on me.

Rick: Your shoulder, okay.

Tanis: And I’m not that tall.  I’m only 5’2″, so that gives you an idea.

Rick: So, he’s 4-something.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah.  And he’s a bit chubby.  He is middle-aged.  Elementals live longer than we do, so he’s actually over 100 years old, but he only looks  middle-aged.  And, and he wanted to work with me.

Rick: And so, when you see him, when you saw him, or even you still do see him, is it like  kind of an etherial form that you can see through, or does he look as solid as if there’s a little  guy in a leprechaun suit?

Tanis: No, it’s as I said earlier, I can look through this eye or I can  look through these eyes.

Rick: I see.

Tanis: So if I’m looking through my third eye, then, and sometimes I can  shut my eyes and do it. Sometimes I don’t have to do it. And then I see and I hear. We have  more than two eyes. We have a clairvoyance. We have more than two ears. We have also clairaudience,  so we have more than two ears. And we’ve got, in our hearts, another way of knowing if people  are nice or people are really not so great, you know, we have another way of knowing it  in our heart.  And so, these senses have always been quite open for me.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: So, and I’m only saying that I see Lloyd  in a human-like way.  Now, in his realm, mostly when I go to the elemental realm, they all look semi-human,  although they all have idiosyncrasies, okay?  So I became well aware of all these different elementals, and we could talk about maybe ten  different kinds of elementals, brownies and pixies and goblins and trolls and elves, and  how each one of these kinds of elementals has a particular function in the elemental  world.

Rick: Do they all cohabit the same realm and mingle with each other? Or… so they don’t each  have their own little realm?

Tanis: No, they cohabit in their elemental world,  they cohabit.

Rick: Okay.

Tanis: But they are more like in various castes. So, like a leprechaun would know what a leprechaun  was gonna do and would marry a leprechaun, kind of thing. So, they’ve all got their own  unique functions. So I became aware of this and wrote a couple of books on it. Meanwhile,  I’m a psychotherapist. Now, people started to come to me and I realized, “Oh my,  these people are not fully human. They have partial elemental ancestry.” And I started to notice  unique kinds of qualities that they would have as elementals. And I didn’t have a card saying,  “specializing in elemental psychotherapy,” right? But when I started working with them and broached  this topic, this was of interest to them. Now, so what happened was, after a while, I started  to notice that I was attracting, in my workshops, just in my life, because I do a lot of different  teaching in different places, that I was attracting people who had various hybrid ancestry. So,  I started teaching a workshop called “Hybrids, So You Think You’re Human.”

Rick: And so, you knew this or suspected it because you were so familiar with these elementals  and what their characteristics, and you saw that various people embodied those characteristics.

Tanis: Yeah, absolutely.  And that’s when, and as I said to you earlier, I see things and I know things, and then I  look for proof.  So then some people who were studying with me said, “You’ve got to write a book about  this.”  So I said, “Okay.”  So then I started looking for myths around the world that talked about dragons, for example,  or myths around the world that talked about dolphins being people of the sea and the consciousness  they had, or myths around the world talking about mermaids and merpeople.  And these cultures had nothing to do with each other.

Rick: Yeah, no way of communicating with each other.

Tanis: No, they had evolved by themselves about these particular stories.  And so that was, for me, gathering proof to support that there really were different evolutions  evolving on the earth, interacting with humanity, and interbreeding with humanity.  And now don’t ask me, Rick, how that happens, right?

Rick: I was just going to ask you.

Tanis: I know.

Rick: I’m wondering, was there actual sexual intercourse or was it some kind of a soul merging thing?

Tanis: No, soul.  Soul.  So, as I understand it, on higher levels, if you’re a dragon hybrid, for example, and  you’re wanting to come onto the earth to help humanity, then you approach the beings who  oversee the evolution of humanity, you approach the beings who oversee the evolution of dragons,  and you see if this is a fit.  And then you get the appropriate soul and physical characteristics that would help you.  So this has been, this has almost been 30 years that I have seen and worked with that, but  I only wrote the book,  I think, in 2015.  After I had checked it, rechecked it, and rechecked it, as many ways that I could, because, you  know, I believe if we put out false information into the world, into the ethers, that we are  creating a karmic mistake, a really bad error.  And being a cautious Canadian, I usually sit on things for decades before I put them out.  And then, about the same time that this happened, is when I read what Sri Yukteswar had said  to Yogananda, that there are myriads of fairies, mermaids, fish, animals, goblins, gnomes, demigods,  and spirits all residing in different astral planets in accordance with karmic qualifications,  and that he’s working with this. And as soon as he said, as soon as I read this, and this is after I  have, you know, been working for 30 years with this stuff, after I read that, I said, “Oh my God,  Sri Yukteswar has actually been overseeing my work with Elementals all this time.” Right?  You know, somebody’s overseeing it. And also now, here I am going to be working with all these other  ones, the merpeople and the dragons.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: So, it really has been this evolution in my whole life that things come to me for  proof at different times.

Rick: Mm hmm. And in the Vedic scriptures, which Sri Yukteswar certainly read, there  are many passages where they’ll give you a whole paragraph listing all kinds of beings  with Sanskrit names, but they’re not human beings. You know, there’s the Kinnaras and  the Gandharvas and the this and the that, and they go, you know, dozens of them. So, that  culture is very familiar with the kind of thing you’re telling us here.

Tanis: Yeah, and a lot of those would be demi-gods.   Like you,  I’ve been a meditator since I was about 21 years old. And it came  from a near-death experience, where I was actually offered a choice, hanging by my neck from  a rope tow when I was skiing.  Yeah, I was hanging and no one shut off the power.  And how they say all time stops, it did.  I had no fear, absolutely none.  And I saw two options.  I saw I could go, I could leave, but I saw, if I went that path, my parents would be devastated.  And then I saw this other path, and it said very clearly, “You’ll have to put in time  till you’re 28 years old, because you won’t be able to start your real work till then.”  And then I was given the choice, stay or go, and I stayed.  And yeah, and it was when I was about 28, I started taking people and doing past life  regressions.  And that’s how I met Dr. Tom Verny, who also wrote a book, “Life Before Life,” and he sent  people to me to regress them.  So that’s how my spiritual work started, was by doing past life regressions.

Rick: Okay, interesting.

Tanis: To see people before this life, to see why had they chosen to come into this life.

Rick: Yeah.  So, another question then about hybrids.  So let’s say I was a hybrid, I have no idea, probably not.

Tanis: Well, you probably are.

Rick: Well, maybe I am, but…

Tanis: You probably are.

Rick: And you actually have a thing in your book about how to determine which one you might  be.

Tanis: Yeah.

Rick: I didn’t, none of them really rang a bell, but who knows, but let’s say I am one and you said…

Tanis: Let’s say you’re a star being okay. Let’s say you are.

Rick: That sounds good.

Tanis: I think you are okay, you are  a star being. I don’t think you’re an elemental.

Rick: All righty.

Tanis: And yeah…

Rick: I’m sorry go ahead’ continue.

Tanis: Yes, and star beings, and I divided ‘Hybrid, So You Think You’re Human,’ into three sections,  so there’s the Earth ones, the human cousins, and then there’s the star beings. So,  the star beings, they can be angels, they can be els.

Rick: Now, you’re not saying E-L-F, you’re saying E-Ls.

Tanis: E-Ls, yes.

Rick: Okay, which I had never heard of. At first I thought you were saying elf.

Tanis: No, they’re els and they came originally from Sirius   and they came, I am an el, I am actually an el, okay? I remember, I remember and I  don’t just remember, I’ve actually, I’ve actually left my body and gone to  Sirius. I mean left it, it’s not breathing, left it, gone to Sirius and I’m an el.  I’ll tell you some other ones, people who are els. I didn’t write it in the book  because I could have gotten sued, but there’s the Dalai Lama is an el. No,  Mother Teresa, an el. I just forgot his name, the man who, the black man in South  Africa.

Rick: Nelson Mandela.

Tanis: Nelson Mandela, an el. And els are the same ones that they talk about in the Bible.  If you read the Old Testament, they talk about the els and

Rick: By that name or some other name?

Tanis: Yeah, no, as els. E-L-S.

Rick: Okay. I’ll be darned.

Tanis: Yeah, at the beginning. And the els, think about my name. My name is my, I haven’t  changed it. Hell-i-well.

Rick: Yeah, well, you’ve got a lot of Ls in your name.

Tanis: I got a lot of Ls in my name and the els help  elementals, they are helpers of elementals, but els are creators of form on the planet  and  they’re very mental and they also are warriors.  They go in there and they’re warriors. Now  I say I’m, you know, there’s warriors of power and there’s warriors of love.  I think I’m a warrior of love, but I’m a warrior.

Rick: Sure.  And, you know, when you consider the challenges that the Dalai Lama and Mother Teresa and  Nelson Mandela, who spent decades in prison, all faced, it wasn’t just an easy ride, but  they brought about huge changes nonetheless.

Tanis: Absolutely.  And so angels, my partner is an angel, and angels imbue form with essence.  So it’s very nice I have an angel to help me.

Rick: Yeah, not too many women can say their husband’s an angel.  Or would say it.

Tanis: No, that’s so funny. I guess I’m just fortunate. But so, I’m not trying to make you into an  el. I’m not trying to make you into an angel. I don’t know how we got into it, but you asked,  “Oh, what are els?” So I thought, “Well, a little bit more about els.”

Rick: Yeah, well, I was just wondering, well, did you want to say something more just now?

Tanis: Yeah, so also star beings could be dragons, they could be merpeople, mermaids, mermen,  and they can be the pan-hybrid, like literally the pan-hybrid.  I have, you know, a lot of my students are all these various kinds of hybrids, by the  way.  So these are all star beings.  Now when star beings come down onto the Earth, they can enter other evolutions.

Rick: Right.  So by star beings, you mean their place of origin is some other solar system someplace?

Tanis: Exactly.

Rick: Yeah, okay.

Tanis: Exactly.  So Draconis, Alpha, Draconis is the star for the dragons, for example.  Copernicus is the star for the pan-hybrids.  There’s the Horus hybrid also that I talk about as being the Christ of the Egyptians, the bird.

Rick: Right.

Tanis: The bird.

Rick: The bird head.

Tanis: With the bird head, yes. So, these are star beings. So, I just think you’re a star being and I  don’t want to, you know, make any assumptions or do anything on air that’s very uncomfortable and  I would never –

Rick: Well, that’s okay. I don’t mind being called a star being.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah. And if you think of your work, one of the commonalities about star beings  is that they’re very forward-looking, they’re always trying to bring new advances into the  world in some way, and they, so they’re pioneers, and they have this sense of wanting to create  something good.  There’s really this impulse to help humanity and to help the Earth.  Help the Earth is almost as important as helping humanity, for star beings.  Are any of those qualities yours?  Would you say, Rick?

Rick: Pretty much all of them, yeah, and have been most of my life. Didn’t start out that way, but once I  kind of got my head together a little bit, you know, and got on a spiritual path, that was my  incentive.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah. So, and yet when they come down, they could end up entering merpeople  evolution and/or dolphin evolution or something else.

Rick: Okay, so my understanding is getting a  little clearer now as you speak, so I’ll explain what it is now for the sake of the audience.  So, um…

Tanis: I even forget that we’re having an audience.

Rick: Yeah, there’s one, there’s 108 people  on at the moment.

Tanis: Oh, that’s very nice. I hope they’re enjoying our chat.

Rick: I hope so, and they  can send in questions if they want. So, so if I’m a star being, let’s say, I’m not saying I am,  but if I am, then what that means is it’s not that some star being soul merged with  the human soul that has been going through numerous incarnations, it’s that a star being  might have, you know, let’s say he decided, okay, I want to come to Earth and he either came with me  into my physical body for his first incarnation on Earth, or he might have gone through 100  incarnations on Earth.

Tanis: Yes.

Rick: One body after another, but he was a soul, he, she, could have been she  in many lifetimes, is a soul that hasn’t been on Earth since its formation necessarily, but that  kind of is a relative newcomer from some star system.

Tanis: It depends. I remember being here when  the Earth was a gas. A gas. It was a gas.

Rick: Okay, four billion years ago or something.

Tanis: Yeah, and I remember, with my mind, bringing form together. It was a gas and I was  mentally bringing form together.

Rick: Helping to congeal it into…

Tanis: Yes. Yes. And of course, this body, this, of course, was not the body. It was just the thought.

Rick: Right. Which brings it, oh, I’m sorry, go ahead.

Tanis: So, what I’m saying is, everybody would have a different time when they thought that they entered.

Rick: Yes.

Tanis: If they were a star being.

Rick: So, it could be billions of years ago, it could be like, you know, this lifetime is the first one.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah. And for a different reason. There are very evolved beings coming in right now  who have not had to go through these myriad of incarnations and they’re coming in right now.  So, how wonderful!

Rick: Yeah! So, what you just said reminded me of something which we alluded to earlier,  and that is that I get the impression from this conversation and from various people I’ve talked  to and books I’ve read, that all these elementals are instrumental in the orchestration of pretty  much everything in the universe and on our planet, which would include, you know, the formation of  the planet and/or the formation of the sun, for that matter, and plant life and animal life and,  you know, all kinds of things. It’s not just dumb matter. Everything is orchestrated by  divine intelligence, but divine intelligence has its specific impulses or agents or, you know,  helpers or whatever that are really nothing other than divine intelligence essentially,  but that play specific roles.

Tanis: Yeah, and I don’t know, I focus on elementals on the Earth and the Earth evolution,  and that kind of thing, so I can’t speak to the elemental forces in other solar systems  or universes. I can’t speak to that.

Rick: Mm hmm. But undoubtedly, they are there, I would say. And these days with our, you know,  the Webb telescope and also the Kepler telescope, I think it is, that, you know, we now realize  that there are planets orbiting virtually every star. So, there are more stars than there are  grains of sand on all the beaches in the world, and therefore, there are probably, you know,  about more planets than that even, and if even 1% of them are inhabited by intelligent life,  there are trillions of intelligent planets out there.

Tanis: Yeah, incredible, and how little we see and how little we know. And yet, we, each of us,  don’t we, have to focus on the job we’ve been given.

Rick: Yep.

Tanis: Yeah, that’s all that each of us can do is focus on the job we’ve been given.

Rick: What’s that saying? Think globally, act locally.

Tanis: Yeah.  Yeah.

Rick: Okay, so you have alluded to how we’re entering into a really interesting phase, possibly,  for the next 2,000 years.  And I have a good friend, he’s kind of well-known on the internet, I won’t mention him, but  he became very depressed after the last election.  And he had actually, well, I won’t go into too much detail, but I haven’t had a chance  to talk to him since he told me that, but I think I’m going to encourage him to broaden his focus  because, you know, there really is a kind of a divine orchestration of things and  things appearing to get darker could actually mean the dawn is getting closer, you know, that saying,  it’s always darkest before the dawn. And so, with all the investigation you’ve done and the beings  you’ve communicated with and all that, do you have any sense of what’s coming and, you know,  what the possible timeline might be? Are we talking about some significant changes within our lifetime  or is it, are we talking about, you know, it’s going to be a thousand years from now before  things really get a lot nicer or what?

Tanis: It’s interesting talking about this because  I had a strong feeling that this was the most important thing that we would share today.

Rick: Oh, okay.

Tanis: Yeah, not about my books. I mean, that’s all  very nice that you want to talk about my books. But just about this time we’re going through  because people are struggling so much.  And I’m seeing…  What I see is that there is  massive swings in frequency going on.  And it’s the… it used to be  that our frequency on the Earth was relatively stable  with humans being able to  agree that these are the ideas and the morals and the ethics that we ascribe to, and having  some sort of peace, although there was always little hot spots, but some sort of peace.  And in these last years, and not just this last election, it’s just when it’s kind of  come into visibility more maybe. But in these last years, we’re seeing increased frequency  things moving like this. So there will be, you know, the best of times, and oh yes, we’re going  to go into the Aquarian Age, and the worst of times, oh no, this is the Armageddon that we’ve  all heard about.

Rick: Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities.

Tanis: That’s right. And so I’m seeing  these massive swings and this…

Rick: Polarities.

Tanis: Yes, these polarities. And both exist simultaneously.  So it is not a neither/or, it’s a both/and. And I believe there are incredible cosmic  energies coming in right now.

Rick: From where?  Subtle realms or whatever?

Tanis: Yeah, the divine.

Rick: Okay.

Tanis: That’s just a universal intelligence.  I call it that as well as you do.

Rick: Okay.

Tanis: Universal intelligence, the creator of our universe, if you want to call it our universe,  because I think there’s many universes.  So the creator of our universe, this massive, that this is the timing.  This is the timing where our entire solar system, not just the Earth, is going through a rise  in frequency.  It’s a quantum leap.  But in order for that to happen, because each of us, as you alluded to it before, Rick,  each of us is a cell in the body of the whole.  So we’ve got, you know, we’ve got all these cells in each of our bodies, but each of us  is a cell in the body of the Earth.  So, whatever is happening to the Earth, is happening to us individually.  So there’s no separation from the cosmos to the solar system to the Earth to us.  It’s all happening simultaneously, this quantum leap.  However, and this is the problem that’s going on, is because we are now moving to a higher  frequency, which is this astral frequency, where we are going to be able to be clairvoyant,  clairaudient, clairsentient, and to become conscious creators on this planet and guardians  of this planet.  That is our destiny in this 2000 years, conscious creators and guardians of this planet.  Okay, so, we have to, first of all, get through what’s called the hell realm.  We have to get through the bardo.  We have to get through this lower astral frequencies of everything that humanity has created that  is not in alignment with higher consciousness.

Rick: So all this stuff has to somehow be flushed out of the bushes and exposed and thereby somehow  neutralized.

Tanis: And transmuted.

Rick: Transmuted, right.

Tanis: Yeah.  And that means that each of our, you know, yours, mine, everybody’s, each of our unique thought  forms which are out of alignment, our thoughts, our feelings, are going to be triggered.  Because each of us has a responsibility to do this ourselves and to move this ourselves.  No one can do it for us.  We can’t wait for God to do it.  We have the responsibility to do it ourselves.  So everything in us is being triggered, and so sometimes we’re feeling, “Whoa, I’m  doing all right,” you know?  I’m feeling, I’m meditating today, I’m thinking positive thoughts, and other days  we’re thinking, “Oh, God,” you know?  “Look what’s just happened in the world, and how many wars do we have going on simultaneously,  you know, get me out of here.” We have to deal with both of this. So, and our job is to stay  in non-attachment and in a neutral place, with positivity and optimism, so that we confront  it in ourselves, that’s our job, and do our job and then try to stay the course as we  go through this. This is, I think we’re having the dissolution of our old structures, I think  you must agree with me. It’s the complete disintegration of our old structures. So, we’re going to  see, I believe, massive collapse happening financially, environmentally, all over the  the world, at the same time, as on a higher frequency,  there are programs like yours happening.  There are books like mine coming into the world.  There are more and more of us becoming conscious and raising the frequency.  So these things are existing simultaneously in the ethers.  Does this make sense to you?

Rick: Oh, it makes sense, yeah.  I want to explore it more with you.  I’ve sometimes said, you know, a rising tide lifts all boats, but if some of the boats insist  upon remaining anchored, they’re going to capsize because the water’s going to rise, but the  boats won’t be able to.

Tanis: So, it shivers when you say that.  That’s a wonderful, you know, metaphor.

Rick: Yeah, so it’s kind of, it behooves people to raise anchor, you know, and rise with the  tide, but a lot of people seem, you know, rather determined not to do that. And so, when you say  all kinds of things are going to collapse, economies and whatnot, you know, some people  are a little bit apocalyptic in their predictions that there could be a lot of people dying and  a lot of misery. And I’ve always thought, not always, but I’ve often thought that the spiritual  teachers who’ve been coming to the world, like Yogananda and some of his people who came after him,  foresaw this kind of change coming and wanted to just do as much as they could to  make it a smoother transition than it otherwise would be.

Tanis: Yeah, I think so too, and all we can do,  you know, us little people, is to plant seeds. You know, that’s what I think. All we’re doing here  is, with your work, with mine, with so many wonderful people that you have the  privilege of speaking to, we can plant seeds and some of these seeds will grow in others.  It may grow immediately and it may grow in three decades when the pain gets so great.  I often think the pain, unless the pain gets big enough, great enough, we will not change.

Rick: Yeah, I mean, they say with alcoholics,  they often have to hit bottom before they’re willing to get help. And it’s a shame that it  has to be that way, because, you know, there’s a lot of suffering involved in an alcoholic hitting  bottom, and there would be a lot of suffering involved in the world hitting bottom, in terms  of everything having to collapse and all that, but when you think about how crazy and how harmful  so many of our industries and environmental practices and other things are, and yet how  powerful they seem to be, how much money is behind them, you know, you think, well,  they’re not going to give up voluntarily, so what’s going to bring them down if we’re going  to transition to a world in which such ways of doing things are no longer possible?

Tanis: That’s right. I think we have to take to the streets.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Yeah, that there will be a massive,  you’re right, there will be a massive global uprising of the collective, of people collectively.

Rick: Yeah, and that doesn’t necessarily mean, to my mind, massive global rioting and protesting and,  you know, that kind of thing. Uprising could mean…  I mean, people who are really driving the change are out of sight, out of mind.  They’re kind of shifting their consciousness in rather secluded ways, and yet all the big  changes are bubbling up on the surface as they do so.

Tanis: This can be happening, and if we just were refusing to buy into the collapsing system,  Right?  Like a refusal.  I’m thinking of Peter Finch in that movie, where he says, “I’m mad as hell and I’m just  not going to take it anymore.”

Rick: Right.  Network, I think it was called.  [Laughter]

Tanis: Yeah, it was Network.  Or Gandhi just saying, “We’re marching to the sea.”

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: It’s a collective movement of consciousness of people.  like, think about recycling. It was the massive human, ordinary people who forced governments  to get into recycling.

Rick: Yeah. Unfortunately, a lot of governments ship all the garbage to  Africa, who get paid to take it, and they just dump it and it flows into the ocean.

Tanis: Yeah, well, these ways of seeing it, it’s sort of like half bad, half good, right?  It’s like we’re still not thinking far enough ahead.  We’re only dealing with this.  We’re not making decisions based on, as First Nations people have always said, seven generations.  And this is going to shift as well.  There are infiltrators in the… When I worked in organizations as well as doing all of my  cuckoo stuff, I worked for IBM, I worked for Forrest Companies, I was a faculty member for  the Banff Center for Leadership for 22 years, I worked for banks.  I was an infiltrator and I call us “Cancers for Good.”  We go into, and there are people who, bless their hearts, are within those organizations,  staying there and working from within.  I’m not capable of that.  I could only be a consultant to go in.  But our frequency changes things, Rick.  We change things.  I become aware, it’s not my words, it’s my frequency.  People get anywhere near me and they start going through changes.  And I bet it’s the same with you.  They get near you and they start going through changes.  It’s our frequency.  And so as people, people think, “Oh, well, I have to do something radical like lead a  protest movement or something.”  They only have to change themselves.

Rick: Yeah, who was it, Gandhi who said, “Be the change you want to see in the world”?

Tanis: That’s right.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: It’s our, because everybody has a certain frequency and when we are optimistic  can we keep to positive thoughts of love and compassion and forgiveness and tolerance and  good humor and all these wonderful qualities, our frequency rises.  And it doesn’t mean we’re a Pollyanna, that we are totally, you know, unable to see what  is going on in this other part.

Rick: Yeah, now we started this discussion by talking  about all the inhabitants of the astral and higher realms and, you know, we touched upon  the point that some of them might be concerned with human affairs and some not, but, you  know, in the last few minutes we’ve just been talking as though it were humans alone  who are affecting the kinds of changes that we expect to see coming. But to what extent  and do you think that the involvement of these subtler beings is a catalyst for these changes?

Tanis: Well, the book I wrote, “The Dragon’s Tale”, which only came out this year, is about  how dragons are returning to the Earth, especially a great cosmic  dragon, in order to help birth the Earth into consciousness and how these energies, the  dragons are beings of all four elements: earth, air, fire, and water.  They’re an integrated being, and they’re using their kundalini energy, their fire, in order  to catalyze us individually and also collectively.  So I find this very optimistic, and as they said, they’ve been here before, it’s just  that we didn’t want to hear about them before, we were busy wanting to kill them, St. George  and the Dragon.

Rick: Right.

Tanis: Christianity wanted to do away with any of those stories.  So, I’m very optimistic about the wonderful beings who are here right now helping us.

Rick: Yeah, so the dragons are kind of like what you were, they’re consultants.  They get called in when there’s a need in a particular place.  You make it sound like, you know, if there’s some great dragon, and we might want to elaborate  on what dragons actually are, that has come to help facilitate the changes that the Earth  is undergoing, he might be kind of like a traveling doctor who has gone to various other planets  when the need is, when they’re ready for his help.

Tanis: Yes, well, that’s what the dragons were telling me, when I went to the dragon  world, that that is exactly what their function is, is to help with the birth of, into consciousness  and into higher consciousness, of races and solar systems, even.

Rick: Yeah.  So, you said it was Babaji who encouraged you to write a book about dragons, and I think  you might have said that Babaji himself was a dragon, but not in a dragon form necessarily,  appearing in a human form.  So maybe you could elaborate on that.  And since we’re mentioning dragons, just with the assumption that people know what we’re  talking about, I think we do need to elaborate a bit, because everybody has, you know, their  idea of what dragons are, and that might be a bit of a stretch if we don’t explain it  in greater detail.

Tanis: Okay, for those folks who may have just come on, we were speaking about 22 different races  of beings who have been involved with the evolution of the Earth and one of these races is the  dragon race and that dragons, if we’re talking about elementals, which are gnomes and goblins  and whatever being, here’s the Earth in frequency, here’s the elemental world, just a little higher.  Here’s the race of the merpeople, mermaids and mermen. They’re in a higher astral consciousness.  And if you go up here, to a very high astral consciousness, really a causal world of thought,  going right into this borderline causal world of thought, you have the dragon frequency,  the dragon world.  And so, all these myriad worlds exist in different frequencies.  And the dragons and their dragon world, when I write “The Dragon’s Tale,” I have it divided  into two parts.  The first part is a dragon coming to the Earth to talk about their evolution of the Earth  and humanity, and then the second part is me going to the dragon world to see what it’s  like to be there.  Now, as you said, it was Mahavatar Babaji who asked me to write this book, and he is on  the same lineage as Paramahansa Yogananda and Sri Yukteswar.  So it’s Christ, Krishna, Mahavatar Babaji, the hearing Messiah, Sri Yukteswar, and Paramahansa  Yogananda.  It is the same lineage.  So Mahavatar Babaji, I had never spoken to him before, Rick, and he is the deathless  youth of the Himalayas that works with high initiates, and I had meditated.  It’s the lineage I meditate with.  I had meditated and he had tapped me on the head many, many times, but no communication.  And on this particular occasion, all of a sudden, I was grabbed by him and taken into  a higher frequency where I could look down on the Earth and I could also… and he said you’ve  written enough about elementals, what about dragons? And I saw the dragon world, and I saw  the world of the merpeople, and I knew I had to write about these. And it wasn’t my first  experience of dragons. I’ve had experiences for 30 years with dragons, but not going to  the dragon world and having a responsibility to write about them. So, that’s what happened,  and I put it off for a year. And then, as we were speaking earlier, I went to Prajnaparamita’s  ashram over in France to teach. She invited me to go and teach about astral worlds. And  I no sooner got there the very first night than she said, “Tanis, we had…” And she  didn’t know anything about this dragon stuff that I’m telling you about, right? She didn’t  know I’d been told to write this book about dragons or any of this. And she said, “Tanis,  you know, a dragon has come and landed in our forest and I’ve been keeping everybody else  away, but I think you have to go and talk to it.”  And it was the dragon from the dragon world who had wanted to speak with me and was getting  impatient with me going there.

Rick: How did she know it was there?

Tanis: Because they had been doing some fire ceremonies with pandits from India, and these pandits  had come and one of their people had said that a black dragon had landed in their forest.

Rick: Okay.

Tanis: Yeah, interesting, eh?

Rick: Yeah. And these dragons, they actually look like the kinds of  dragons that are depicted in the folklore, right? They have wings and they breathe fire sometimes,  and they have scales and big teeth and the whole deal.

Tanis: They do. They have the whole deal.  But that’s the way I see them, okay? Because we all see things through our own filter,  Rick, you know, so that’s what I want to make clear to people, you know? I see things through  my own filters, and I’m not going to negate somebody else’s way of seeing.

Rick: Yeah, that’s interesting. I mean, could it be that our cultural conditioning  has created filters which causes someone like you to see these things in a certain way that are , actually quite unlike the way they would see themselves. They’re very different, you know,  than they might actually appear to other dragons or to other beings. But, you know, there are  stories like this in science fiction and all where someone appears like a human but they’re really  some kind of totally different being in a human guise, like, was it ‘Contact?’ No, it’s that one  with the old people, ‘Cocoon,’ you know, remember that movie?

Tanis: Oh, yes.

Rick: Yeah, where there are these light beings, but they were in human bodies and so on.  Could it be like that?

Tanis: It could be. Like when I see Christ, for example, I see Christ as a  a sparkling light. A tremendously sparkling light, like remember those sparklers you get?

Rick: Right.  And how far could you run?

Tanis: Only massive, massive.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Yeah. So, that is the way I don’t see Christ on the cross or Jesus on the cross  or in the manger, I see that. So, I think we see, also, depending on in which dimension we’re  looking at the time. Yeah.

Rick: Yeah. Okay, good. So, you said that this  topic of the changes that the world will be undergoing might be one of our main purposes  in this conversation. What more can we say about that that we haven’t said?

Tanis: Well, getting back to your friend and how you’re going to see if you can have a conversation.

Rick: Cheer him up.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah, just to put it in terms of both/and.  I find that that is extremely helpful for people, that they don’t get into either/or,  because that’s the duality of the old illusionary world we’re leaving, is the either/or.  And the both/and encompasses it both, and encompasses it on many different dimensions, what reality  is.  And, as you said earlier, and boy, that was wonderful what you said about, you know, basically the  universal intelligence knows what it’s doing. And yes, like how can we down here think  that we know better what the universal intelligence is doing?

Rick: Yeah, there’s a saying in Vedic literature that Brahman is the eater of everything, and Brahman  is the totality, right? It’s like there’s nothing outside of Brahman, everything is contained within  it. And by that phrase, I think they mean that all the various diversities and polarities and paradoxes  and forces and whatnot, they’re all harmoniously contained within this totality. And, of course,  most people don’t own the totality, they’re kind of fragmented, they’re off on one or another spoke  on the wheel. And so, to them, there’s so many things that seem to be in conflict with their  their particular orientation, you know?  But if one could really become the totality,  then you subsume everything, you contain everything,  and you’re able to harmonize differences  within your awareness.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah.  So just having faith in the process, I think,  and to have faith that we’re at the right place,  at the right time, we’re the right gender,  we’re the right age, we’re in the right country, there’s not an accident, and that our life  has meaning and to fully embrace what we’ve been given, whatever opportunities there are,  whatever challenges there are, that we embrace them.

Rick: Yeah, yeah.  Yeah, good point.  Right place, right time.  It’s not like accidental that we’re in the situation we’re in.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah, and I think people alive right now are pioneers in creating this bridge to  the new way, and we’ve got the right faculties to be able to do it.  Another thing that came to mind was that we have to get over our fear of death, this feeling  of, you know, that death is terrible, as opposed to that we’re eternally alive, it’s just a  change of state.  And that makes sense to people theoretically, but we have to work through our fears.  All of our fears are all at the end, they are related to death.

Rick: Yeah. What I found helpful in culturing that perspective is just, long before I started  BatGap, reading near-death experience books. You know, you read a bunch of those and I’ve  interviewed so many people now who’ve had near-death experiences, you just, after a  while, it becomes kind of an ingrained assumption or knowledge that, you know, the death of  physical body is a relatively minor matter in the big scheme of your life and your evolution.

Tanis: Yeah, very much so. And if people could even separate out the two things, one being death,  where some people will say, “Well, actually, I’m okay if I just wake up, you know, I just die one  second and I’m awake the next.” But also this idea of pain, and that it is  maybe not going to be that pleasant. And here we have to have faith that once again, you  know, the kind of death that we experience, we’re up for. I think we’re set up to succeed  in what our life purpose is, not to fail. I think each person is being given exactly the  opportunities to succeed.

Rick: Yeah. Regarding pain, Woody Allen said, “I don’t mind dying, I just don’t want to be  there when it happens.”

Tanis: Yes. Yes.

Rick: Have you ever heard the story of the old Chinese farmer?

Tanis: No.

Rick: I’ll tell it really quick. It pertains to what we’ve been talking about, about sort  of trusting in the flow of things and not being too attached to particular outcomes.  So there was an old Chinese farmer and he, you know, barely got by, he had one horse  and he had his son and a small farm.  And one day the horse escaped and the neighbors came and said, “Oh my God, what are you gonna  do?  You can’t operate the farm without your horse.”  And the farmer said, “Well, we’ll see.”  And so then, the next day, the horse came back and a bunch of wild horses followed it into  the corral and they closed the gate and the neighbors came and said, “Oh, you’re a wealthy  man now, you have all these horses, and it’s so great.”  And the farmer said, “Well, we’ll see.”  So the next day, his son was riding one of the wild horses, trying to tame it and train  it, and he fell off and broke his leg.  And the neighbors came and said, “Oh, your son broke his leg, what are you going to do  now?  You can’t run the farm without your son.”  And the farmer said, “Well, we’ll see.”  And the next day, the army came through, and they were conscripting all the young men to  join and go off to battle. And, you know, there you go. I mean, he couldn’t go because he had a broken  leg.

Tanis: Yeah, what a great, great story. And if we just stay in this neutral, I call it the neutral  positive, you know, we’re neutral, we’re not attached, but we’ve got hope. Right? If we stay  in that place, that, you know, it’s going to get us through.

Rick: Yeah. And recognize that there’s some  kind of divine orchestration calling the shots.

Tanis: Yeah, yeah.  And that the Holy Spirit is inside us as I write in, you know, that other book, “Good  Morning, Henry,” the Holy Spirit is our body intelligence.  It is in here and it is awakening.  It’s awakening every cell in our body.  That’s happening.

Rick: Yeah.  A couple questions came in.  Let’s ask them.  So this one is from Matthew McCartin in Uxbridge, Ontario.  He says, “Could you say something about the importance of the relationship of the birth  of the higher Self and the simultaneous birth of intuitive gifts?  I have learned that this is critical to perceive the hidden creative dimensions of reality  and the only way past our common problems.”

Tanis: Intuition is a high spiritual gift and just as you, Rick, spoke earlier about gradations  of evolution and that God is evolving, I believe it’s the same with our intuition, that we  become more and more and more and more intuitive.  After a certain point, it’s a kind of knowing that happens. And knowing is quicker than any kind  of mental process of going back and forth looking for reasons or concrete evidence or anything.  It’s just a knowing.

Rick: Okay, good. The next question is also from Matthew McCartin in Uxbridge, Ontario. He  “Could you also comment on the importance of Rudolf Steiner?  I feel Rick’s show has not connected with the importance of this spiritual teacher, too  often associated with theosophy, but only in error.”

Tanis: Well, interesting he mentions this because in one of my books, “Summer with the Leprechauns,”  which was one of my earlier books, the elementals, Lloyd, talks about meeting Rudolf Steiner,  who was the founder of anthroposophy.  Now many, many, many anthroposophists come and study with me, and I find this quite interesting  that there is this fractal in my life.  You know how if you look at the fractals in your life, you say, “Oh, this is really quite  interesting.”  Well, I have a fractal which I attract anthroposophists  and from all different countries, and I am not an anthroposophist. I believe he was a medium.  He was a mystic. He brought so many pioneer forms into the world. He brought biodynamic gardening,  which is more organic than organic. He brought the Waldorf systems of education. He brought  a doctor’s, a certain kind of healing. He brought a kind of movement,  eurythmy. He brought, he was to plant seeds in many different disciplines  around higher ways of looking at things. So, boy, when he only lived to his mid-60s,  I think he did a marvelous job.

Rick: Yeah, sounds like he must have been an el hybrid or something.

Tanis: I think he might have been, actually.

Rick: Yeah, okay. So, there’s a lot of things in all of,  in your books and, you know, I heard many points as I was listening to your books and thought,  “Oh, it’d be fun to talk about that,” but I didn’t take notes because I figured we’d just  go with whatever came up. But, you know, if we have, you know, 10 minutes left, is there anything  that you’d really like to talk about that you feel that we haven’t touched upon?

Tanis: No, I think that, you know, the only, the point I just made recently, just a minute ago,  about “Good Morning, Henry,” and speaking with our own body intelligence, and that this is actually  the Holy Spirit. And Eckhart Tolle has said it, I believe it, too, he said, you know, the way through,  and he’s talking about consciousness, the way through is not, you know, to go beyond the body,  it’s to go through the body. And we’ve been talking about this. And so, there’s three aspects  to the Holy Trinity. There’s the Holy Spirit, which is the Divine Mother, Sophia, which is  consciousness in form. That is consciousness in form. It’s the active intelligence of the Creator.  There’s God the Father, which is unseen, unknown, omniscient. And there’s God the Son, Christ Jesus,  love. So, the first one that most of us is going to encounter, the first one that most of us will  encounter is, and the most accessible for us, is the Holy Spirit. And we can call that our  conscience, we can call it our Higher Self, we can call it our deep knowing, it’s the  spirit in giving us our feeling of rightness, our moral compass. Do you have anything to  say about that, Rick?

Rick: Rick Well, what came to mind as you said that is that, for a number of years I’ve had a  great concern about the moral fiber of spiritual teachers because there have been so many  instances in which spiritual teachers have behaved immorally and have harmed their students. And it  has puzzled me because you figure that, I mean, you associate saintliness with enlightenment or  higher consciousness. But there are so many well-known spiritual teachers who’ve, you know,  behaved like bad, you know, naughty high school boys in their behavior, not, you know, world  teachers. And so, I actually helped to found an organization called the Association for Spiritual  Integrity, and we now have over 700 members and over 50-something organizational members, and we’ve  given presentations at Harvard Divinity School and the Parliament of World Religions and  things like that. I just feel like greater appreciation of ethics is sorely lacking,  sorely needed in the contemporary spiritual world because, as we’ve been speaking about,  you know, beautiful changes that humanity might undergo, if spirituality is the most  fundamental engine behind those changes, then teachers who behave egregiously with their  students are sabotaging the whole enterprise. And it’s really, it has implications far beyond the  harm that they’re doing to themselves and their students.

Tanis: Yeah. Yes. I think that’s wonderful, what you’re talking about, and I didn’t know  you had formed this organization.

Rick: I’ll send you a link to it.

Tanis: I’d like to join it.

Rick: Good.

Tanis: And you should put a little note right out here in your little chat box so other people can know about it,  because I think that’s very important.  And as I said earlier, sometimes I sit on ideas for decades before I release them into the world,  because, it’s not just what I do with my sexuality which is important,  although, you know, people can look at my sexuality and not find that I’m sleeping with any of my students.  But, which is good, but also, it’s –

Rick: Well, you aren’t, but a lot of teachers are.  [Laughter]

Tanis: No, I know, but I’m just saying, I’m just speaking, you know, Irish humor, right?

Rick: Okay.

Tanis: So, yeah.  So, it’s not just our sexuality, I think, when we’re talking about moral integrity.  We have to look at what we’re even talking about.  And that’s why I don’t write a book, or release it, until I really have done as much inward  and outward searching to confirm my right ideas, because misleading people is also a moral  error.

Rick: Yeah, that’s very good.  Very important.  I was talking with a friend this morning who’s a spiritual teacher and she was saying how  it seems to her that a rather high percentage of spiritual teachers are narcissists, like  they’re narcissistic personality disorder people are attracted to the profession because  of the attention they get.  Maybe it happens with politicians too.  And, “yeah, maybe,” Irene is saying!  And that of course it’s a vicious circle where, you know, the attention amplifies their narcissism  and then, you know, it’s kind of a feedback loop.  So I think, and narcissism is, you’re a therapist, right?  You are.  And as I understand it, narcissism is a very entrenched and intractable personality trait,  very hard to unwind and eliminate.  So I think it kind of is incumbent upon students to use their discrimination and evaluate teachers  and not assume that a misbehavior on the part of a teacher is some kind of “crazy wisdom.”  It could just mean that the guy has some serious problems and you should probably leave.

Tanis: Yeah.  So as you say, you know, you say discrimination, I always say discernment.  And yes, it’s the same word.  We want to keep our critical awareness always.

Rick: Critical thinking skills, that’s another one.

Tanis: Yeah, it’s very important to keep our critical awareness, and not just with a spiritual  teacher, but with everything you hear.

Rick: Everything.

Tanis: Everything.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Yeah.

Rick: And of course, there’s that saying, “Do your own research.”  Yeah, but if you’re not a molecular biologist or whatever, you might want to give a little  bit more weight to the opinions of people who actually study the stuff deeply than being  an armchair expert yourself.

Tanis: That’s right. And if we develop this inner moral compass, which we’re talking about,  the Holy Spirit in us, the body intelligence in us, our body soul, if we develop it, we  have that discernment in spades and it doesn’t matter what people say, we feel it. We feel  where they’re at no matter what words are coming out of their mouth.

Rick: Yeah. And of course, it’s like riding a bicycle. You have to keep balancing. You know,  you can’t just, you know, figure, okay, I’m balanced, I’m good. It’s like, what’s his name?  Buddhist sage, I forget, but anyway, his name will come to me, but he said, “Although my awareness is  as vast as the sky, my attention to karma is as fine as a grain of barley flour.”

Tanis: Oh, shivers. Yeah, that’s right. I often say to people, like, don’t judge yourself by anyone else,  only you know when you are off, right? And only you have the responsibility to get yourself back in.  Some other person may not even know it.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: But you know it. And at a certain point,  like when we haven’t developed our frequency so much, I guess, maybe we haven’t had so many lives,  we are allowed many more errors, but the more that we are, you know, becoming more spiritual,  more committed, more dedicated, being given more gifts, more responsibility, it has to be like this.  So we can’t judge ourselves or think anything is permitted, you know, “Oh, they could do it,  why not me?” Oh, no. We may be on a very tight rein of what we’re allowed.

Rick: That’s a very good point. Carlos Castaneda’s  teacher, Don Juan, said, he used the word warrior to refer to a spiritual aspirant. He said,  “A warrior has time only for his impeccability.”

Tanis: Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. It’s this moral  compass, the impeccability, it’s being our, and ultimately when we die, that is who judges  us.  We judge ourselves.  We see everything, we see everything, and we know everything where we made an error  and everything where we, well done.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Well done.

Rick: Okay, well, well done, Tanis.

Tanis: We’ve had a great chat, haven’t we?

Rick: Yeah, we have.  I’ve really enjoyed it.  I’m sure we could go on for another two hours, but I’m not sure the audience would stay with us.

Tanis: No.  It is it as you said, it’s been freewheeling and that is, it’s been wonderful,

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Getting to know you.

Rick: Yeah, and, you know, thank you so much.   I really love this aspect of what I do. It’s just meeting wonderful people like you and, you know,  building this web of friendships around the world.

Tanis: Yeah, this is the most important thing you’re doing, really wonderful wonderful work. Thank you for your   dedicated service.

Rick: Well, thank you for everything you’ve been doing.  We’re all in the same team playing different positions, you know.

Tanis: Yeah.

Rick: Some are pitchers, some are catchers, some are shortstops, whatever.

Tanis: That’s right. Yeah.

Rick: “Some are dogs,” Irene says.  I mean, since we’ve got a couple of those down here,  wanting snacks.

Tanis: And we talked earlier about how my partner is an angel hybrid. Now your wife, your partner…

Rick: Are you asking me what she is? I don’t know. What kind of hybrid are you, Irene?  Are you a leprechaun, a brownie, a pixie, a goblin, a troll, an el, a tree  deva, an angel, or a pan, or a dragon, or a bee?  We’ll have to get you on the phone with Tanis sometime,  she can diagnose you.  She’s something weird, that’s for sure.

Tanis: Well that is a common thing with hybrids, too, is they always feel that they’re a little  bit different.

Rick: Yeah.  Which is a good thing.

Tanis: It is a good thing.  Find out our uniqueness and then work with it.

Rick: Yeah.  All right, well thanks so much, and thanks to those who’ve been listening or watching.  And so how can people, you’ll have a page on BatGap and I’ll put links to  your books and your websites on there, and people can get in touch with you through those.  And besides your books, what have you got going on?  Webinars and…?

Tanis: Yeah, I have a Visit Magical World starting in January.

Rick: What’s that?

Tanis: January 9th. Well, we’re going to be studying three of my books over three months. We’ll be  starting with “Good Morning, Henry,” which is about our body intelligence or Holy Spirit in us. Then  we’re going on to “Hybrids, So You Think You’re Human,” to find out what kind of hybrid those people are.  And then we’re going to go on to “The Dragon’s Tale,” and people will find out more about the  the dragon’s message and working with dragons.

Rick: Cool. Those are the three books I read, and in that order.  [Laughter]

Tanis: And in that order. And the reason we’re doing over three months with this is  to give people a chance to read it.

Rick: Sure.

Tanis: But my intention on this whole series of Visit Magical Worlds is help people to  raise their frequency. That is the intention. Yeah.

Rick: Okay. And there’s all kinds of other things, you’ve got little courses and meditations  and whatnot that one can download. So, that’s all on your website.

Tanis: All there.

Rick: Yeah.

Tanis: Yeah.

Rick: Okay. And so, you know, since people might be watching this three years from now,  you’re talking about January of 2025, but they can just check in on your website and  see what’s going on then.

Tanis: Yep. I’m working, I always work in Europe, May and June, so I’ll be in four  different countries and they can catch me there, or I’ll just write another book, or I’ll  see them in astral realms.

Rick: Yeah. Alright, well keep having fun and doing great things.

Tanis: Yeah,  and thanks for having me. I really, really loved our chat.

Rick: Me too, thank you. And again,  thanks to those who’ve been listening or watching, and if you haven’t ever visited the BatGap website,  please do that and check out the menus and you’ll find some interesting things there.  And there’s a PayPal button if you’d like to help support the whole thing.  Alrighty.