Sue Morter Transcript

Sue Morter Interview

Rick Archer: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer. Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of interviews conversations with spiritually awakening people. We’ve done well over 500 of them now. And if this is new to you, and you’d like to check out previous ones, just go to B-a-t g-a-p and look under the past interviews menu. This program is made possible through the support of appreciative listeners and viewers. So, if you appreciate it would like to help support it, there’s a Pay Pal button on every page of the website. My guest today is Dr. Sue Mortar. Hi, Sue.

Sue Morter: Hello there. Nice to see you.

Rick Archer: Nice to see you. I’ve been reading your book this week. There it is ‘The energy codes’ and enjoying it a lot. So, we’ll be discussing that let me just read some of your bio I might skim through some of it and because you’re going to tell us all this stuff anyway. But Sue is a master of bio energetic theory and quantum field visionary. I’m gonna have her define those terms in a bit. She utilizes the embodiment of high frequency energy patterns to activate full human potential through seminars, retreats, and presentations. She illuminates the relationship of quantum science and energy medicine, elevating human consciousness into life mastery. Excuse me. Dr. Sue is the USA Today bestselling number one bestselling LA Times and number one Amazon bestselling author of ‘The Energy Codes’, the book that I just held up, ‘The seven-step system to awaken your spirit heal your body and live your best life’. Through the energy codes. Dr. Sue provides techniques to activate untapped energy and neurocircuitry in the body and power human potential and become one’s true essential self. Dr. Sue is the founder and creator of the globally taught coursework, ‘The energy codes’, a multi-level body of work on personal and spiritual development. She also created body awake, R-Y-T. I don’t know what that means. 200 certified yoga program. What does the RYT stand for?

Sue Morter: It’s a registered yoga teacher registered.

Rick Archer: Oh, ok that’s like a PhD or M okay. Good. And it’s co-creator of the bioenergetic synchronization technique. She has served on professional licensing boards providing guidance to health care practitioners on integrative approaches to healthcare leadership. She is also an adjunct faculty at two medical schools at Michigan State University and AAU school classified as one of the top 100 universities in the world. She is the host of Gaia TVs healing matrix and cohost of your Year of Miracles lifestyle training; she was recently recognized for her outstanding achievements as an honored member of the transformational leadership council. Okay, oh, there’s more. I’m reading at all after all, she’s in addition to that she’s She founded the mortar Health Center Health Center in 1987. And as founder and visionary of the mortar Institute for bioenergetics, an organization committed to teaching individuals self-healing techniques, with an inner wisdom-based approach to life based on quantum science and higher consciousness, with three distinct schools representing the unification of mind body and spirit, School of energy medicine School of bodyweight yoga and school for higher consciousness and personal development. She provides tools and avenues to empower the global community to discover and embody a joyful inspired life live from true soulful self. Right, I was going to skim that, but I kind of got into it and decided to read the whole thing. And one thing, you know, as I’ll tell you several impressions, I got from reading your book, first of all, you had some very profound experiences starting at a young age, which we’ll be talking about, and, you know, on the basis of that you have evolved and designed a whole system which can help others experience when you’ve experienced are in their own way. And I really liked that because a lot of times people talk from their level of experience and people listen from their level of experience, and never the twain shall meet, you know, there’s just not a really good connection. And, you know, some people sort of put down techniques and practices and so on. I’ve always been kind of a technique guy myself and it has served me well. And I think most people do need some kind of practice. And I’m kind of impressed by the way, you’ve evolved a whole system of practices based on ancient wisdom, but also kind of interpreted for modern society in modern times. And judging from what I’ve been reading, it’s been very influential and transformational for people. So that’s great. There’s actually a difference between Indian terminology between a rishi and a Maharishi, I’m not suggesting that you’re a Maharishi but, but a Rishi is somebody who cognizes the truth. And a Maharishi is somebody who cognizes it and can impart it to others in a practical way that will enable them to realize it for themselves. So, I think you do that in a in a very effective way.

Sue Morter: Thank you, Rick. It is definitely an inborn disposition. As long as I can remember, I was drawn to share whatever it was that I was knowing, even prior to these illuminating experiences that began as I started meditating, I always found myself in the role of a of a teaching assistant or a teacher or in some fashion all my life. So, it is definitely my purpose on the planet.

Rick Archer: Yeah, some of us are just wired to do that.

Sue Morter: Yeah.

Rick Archer: And actually, you know, I bet your most times when you do an interview, people start you out with that profound experience you had when you were in a big group meditation, and you hovered above the earth and all that, we’ll get to that. But actually, you started having things much earlier. For instance, in your book you talk about when you were six years old, you were playing in a creek bed, and you had some profound experience. Could you elaborate on that one?

Sue Morter: Yes, I would I we had a creek right across the street from our house in a pasture where my father had cattle, and just had a few cows. And I would always go over there and just kind of hang out. And so, I was reaching forward in the base of the creek bed climbing down in there. And this golden shimmering light was glistening off the surface of the water as the sun reflects. And as I reached forward, so I was kind of messing with these little tadpoles that were that were just hatching and burning. And some of them were, you know, swimming about. And I was just fascinated with that process. In a state of really wonder and kind of awe struck, and I, I mentioned that because I now think in retrospect, that that those vibrational frequencies of wonder and awe are a significant piece, they’re a significant ingredient in our ability to pierce through veils and live in a multi-dimensional realm. So, this is what happened for me, then, at the time, I didn’t have any context for it. But I remember reaching my hand forward with this little stick to just kind of toss around the, the leaves and such and, and this glowing off the surface of my hand was more pronounced than the shimmering of the water underneath it. And I could see that when I would move this entire energy field, this radiance would move along with my movements. And if I started to think about, I wonder if I move my hand that way, and that’s all the further I got, in my mind, the field would kind of go that way. And nearly carry my hand with it. It wasn’t that, you know, when I when I was watching it, it wasn’t that I was moving. And then this energy field would come after, it was almost this intentional field that was causing or directing the physical action. Now, I wasn’t a scientist, I certainly wasn’t trained at the time, but I was very aware of what was happening there. And then it had my attention. And I then started noticing that I could see energy fields around people and pets, and you know, anything that was even the animals then there, I grew up on a farm and so the cows would have this, the horses would have this energy field around them that I was constantly marveling over. So,

Rick Archer: Yeah. And, and you thought at the time that everybody saw that, you know, and you eventually discovered that they didn’t

Sue Morter: Yes, it I would talk about it. You know, what’s that yellow thing that follows dad around when he’s talking and what’s, what’s that orange thing coming off the cows and, you know, my parents, their eyes are getting big and they’d kind of look at each other and So I little by little piece together, especially when I went to school, that people weren’t talking about these kinds of things. And I consciously remember, or I remember consciously shutting it down, just thinking, I’m making these people uncomfortable, and that’s making me uncomfortable. And so, I’m not going to do this thing. I’m not I’m just, I guess that’s not what we do. So, the way we learned about manners and the, you know, a decorum or a way of functioning in society, it was, it had that kind of feeling to it, I just kind of corralled it. And to the point that I actually then later, wasn’t able to retrieve it, as maybe 10, or 15 years later, I wanted to get that back. And I never could, until many years later, when I had these meditation experiences that started to light things up, and suddenly that that returned, but in those interim years, I pretty much wondered if I’d been imagining it or making it up. And because I couldn’t get it back. And it was like, gosh, I was young, you know, maybe, maybe that wasn’t really real. And then, you know, lo and behold it, it reinstated, restored itself. Many years later, probably 20.

Rick Archer: I’ve interviewed quite a few people who, you know, the reason I’m interviewing them is that they’ve now had some kind of spiritual, blossoming and, but who say that they had the kind of stuff you were talking about when they were about that age, you know, six, five, and sometimes experiencing, like, you know, auras or angels, or, or feeling like they were in unity consciousness or something. And then, as they got a little older, it started to slip away, whether they wanted it to or not, and then they went through their crazy teenage years, and so on. And then often, the usual pattern is toward the end of their teens or early 20s, they begin to want to rediscover that, you know, and find out what that was, and, and then that gets them going. And eventually it unfolds. But my theory is that I’m, like, Let’s hear yours, too, is, is that, you know, we come into this life at different levels of consciousness, or different levels of evolution. And it’s not surprising that people who had some kind of profound spiritual awakening little bit later in life, were fairly highly evolved as children. And, you know, it just took a little while to mature.

Sue Morter: Definitely, I definitely know that I, I picked up where I left off, I came in very lucid. I didn’t, I couldn’t reconcile how what I was knowing even though I wasn’t articulating it, there was a knowing, and when I didn’t meet with that same realm, reality in front of me, the people, the places, the circumstances didn’t match vibrationally what I, what I really perceived as real, I began to question, you know, something’s awry here. Something’s discordant. And I, as I now feel the soul is going to do for purposes of its own refinement, and polishing, I, I questioned myself, rather than then grounding in that and revealing it outwardly into, into the world. Now, we have, we have knowings, and stories of, of those that have been able to sustain that, and come out teaching at 11 and 12, and 14 years old, who have made tremendous inroads in our spiritual history. However, I, you know, I receded inward and, and, and just kind of sheltered that and developed a way of being in the outer world that was very hesitant and questioning of the self and translated that into shyness or intimidation, and, and, and such. And so, what I know is that in the years since then, the people that I’ve been working with that have felt, you know, suppressed, or have felt hesitant in life, or had been one of the quiet ones in the corner, most of their life, they actually, when we start tapping that and, and inquiring about this deeper knowing they can access it pretty readily. And once given permission to, you know, connect the dots, connect some circuitry on that and start presenting re-presenting it to the surface of their lives. They start finding that they have, you know, quite a tremendous transformation in in a relatively short period of time because it was, it was sitting there just waiting to be tapped and that tapping can’t happen until it can and as it does, we start recognizing, just recognizing this, this True Self that is our birthright. So, yes, I do you mentioned earlier about different levels of consciousness and different levels of operation for different people. And I do feel that, that some of us are not here, doing that, at this time, that we’re here, getting our feet wet, and really grounding ourselves in the physical. And this is the person that, in my experience, doesn’t really want to have anything to do with a conversation about spirituality and, and this deep inquiry, they’re really more, you know, rubber meets the road, give me something tangible and physical to, to work with. And I feel that they are also on the same path, they’re just focusing in a very anchoring grounding, you know, phase of it, and, and are doing their spiritual practice in their own way, it just looks different than it does, you know, to, to someone who is, is operating with it on a conscious cognitive level.

Rick Archer: Sure, St. Teresa of Avila said, “It appears that God Himself is on the journey”. So, I would say that everything from amoebas to God is on the journey. Journey. Yes. And obviously, you know, all beings are just at different stages of it. But there’s this evolutionary current that we more or less flow along with. And at one point a few minutes ago, you said, you came in where you left off where you started in where we left off, which implies reincarnation, which I think you and I both are totally comfortable with. But the idea there is that, you know, whatever level of consciousness we achieve in a particular lifetime, and then this vehicle no longer becomes sustainable. We pick up a new vehicle, and we pretty much pick it up, you know, continue from where we left off.

Sue Morter: Yes, yes. And that, that so then people will ask, often, does that mean that you believe in past lives? And, and I kind of play with that and say, well, actually, no. And then it’s confusing, because we’re talking about, you know, multiple experiences, etc. And, and I say that I really feel that there’s one life, that we’re constantly living in that,

Rick Archer: Well, that’s a good way of putting it.

Sue Morter: This expression physical expression, and then we move out of it, and then then and then add it in, and now, but, but the life itself never stops. And so, it’s comforting for someone to kind of recognize, okay, so I’m actually not going to die. And, you know, a wonderful thing to, to proceed.

Rick Archer: That’s a nice way of explaining it, you know, because, obviously seeing past lives makes it sound like life somehow stopped, and then started again. And what you’re saying is that life is a continuum, but it just kind of goes in and out of different expressions or different forms.

Sue Morter: Yes, so I would be alive here, and then I would be alive elsewhere, and then I would be alive here. And then I would guess, elsewhere. And I always feel this like, sigh of relief in the room, when, when we start speaking about it that way, it’s like something connects in the, in the consciousness and the subconsciousness, of the, of the group of people. And, and it has, it has, it has tied together many life experiences that I’ve had, and memories that I have of having been here, you know, before. So

Rick Archer: Yeah. What age in this life, or this expression, or whatever we want to call it? Did you kind of decide to I mean; did you consciously start seeking again? Like in your 20s, or something?

Sue Morter: Yes, there, there was my parents were both were very interesting people. My father was a pioneer in energy medicine, he was very interested in how do people heal, when they heal? Why don’t they, when they don’t, it was, it was all you know, nature based and working with the nervous system, and the electromagnetism of the body and so forth. And, and my father, my mother, was very into astrology and, and spiritual psychology, and just very curious about all of that. So, I grew up inside of those kinds of conversations and influences, even when I was too young to understand it, the energetic was there, you know, the backdrop was there. And so, I actually was very curious, in around 10 and 11, and 12 and 13, I can, I can remember, looking in between the lines and wondering what it was all about, and watching the crowd, in school do what they did, and, and being, you know, shy and kind of hiding, I observed a lot. So, I could see patterns and trends and tendencies, and I was, I was, it was, you know, was a curiosity that I now consider to be the beginnings of me pursuing this path on a on a more conscious level. And so, I was drawn to books that would, that would describe it, but not so much a spiritual tradition. It was more of, of the, the, the science of it and the possibility of, you know, thought and beliefs and creation of reality is in those terms, and so it was later when, when it became part of more of a spiritual tradition and the way I entered into meditation, which isn’t the way that everyone does some people, you know, just go into, to working with mindfulness and meditation from that perspective, and some people go into to that world as a devotee, and, and working with teachers and the passing down of traditions and such, and, and that happened to be the way that it literally unfolded in, in my life. And I do feel that that played a role in my ability to open to the things that I did eventually open to, and continue to open to, because of this, this heart based devotional piece, I feel that the energetic of the devotion itself, and the role of honoring and reverie and reverence and sacredness, those frequencies in my, my being my awareness, and my heart connected to my attention and, and the consistency, and the willingness to do whatever it took to do, right by the teaching or the teacher, that that piece played a role for me, that caused the heart to be infused into the efforts, if you will, for lack of a better word, in this moment, of putting intention on the meditative piece that had I just tried to sit and meditate, which I actually had tried a few times, prior. Nothing, nothing would nothing happened for me. And, and yet, when I when I was kind of swept into this world where there were teachers and ceremony and sacred ritual kind of thing that was beautiful, and, and enhancing this heart-based world, something very different happened very quickly, almost instantaneously. For me, when the heart and the mind seemed to be so infused together, it gave a different quality, to stilling my mind and allowing for something to be accessible, that that I had not been able to tap before.

Rick Archer: That’s great. Do you mind saying what this group was that?

Sue Morter: There was, I really can’t because as I got into it further, I found that that some there was there was a lack of integrity in some things that were happening. And I unfortunately, in the, in the course of the original years that I started teaching, I never shared the names, but I shared some of the stories, because it was paramount to me that integrity be part of everything that was happening, when the in the groups that started gathering around me, and it became just like, you know, we can do this, but it has to be like this, and this and this in order for me to be comfortable bringing this realm forward for people. And so, some of the stories of points of reference or relativity, by example, of going and collecting monies to build to build kitchens in India, that I later would find that the monies weren’t being used for that at all. But you know, we’re personal real estate purchases and things like that, that that was just not okay, but because I had already told the stories, I really didn’t feel good, because there was also so much good that happened in my life, that I never want to do harm to the individual and the individuals that were running this organization, because it was such a gift in my life. But there were also these pieces that were just not in alignment. And so, I just have always protected it at the same time, you know, being real about, about what is what is significant and important to me.

Rick Archer: That’s great, I could almost say the very same words about what I went through, you know, tremendous benefit and tremendous gratitude for all that. But then again, some things out of integrity. And in fact, I think that experience was part of what inspired me to sort of get on this integrity bandwagon a little bit a few years ago with a few friends we formed something which initially called the Association for professional spiritual teachers, but then changed the name to the Association for spiritual integrity. And we have an organization a lot of people have joined it. And because there is so much lack of integrity in the spiritual world, and it’s unfortunate because I think as you would agree that You know, spirituality in its pure form, has a tremendous gift to offer the world and is perhaps the most critical and fundamental leverage or influence of world events, but it gets sabotaged or hamstrung, when representatives of it are out of integrity. And then people who have been studying with them get totally disillusioned, sometimes thrown off the path for who knows how long. And so it really needs to sort of, I mean, no one’s in a position to police the whole thing but, but, you know, the appreciation for integrity, I think the more it can be enlivened, and the collective consciousness of spiritual seekers and, and the more they can, you know, hold their own teachers feet to the fire, if the teacher is going off the beam, the more healthy the whole thing will be and more effective, it’ll be in producing social change.

Sue Morter: Yes, there’s such a purity that is so powerful. And all one has to do is walk that and, and it unfolds magnificently, automatically, because the power of the universe is behind it. And we’re not forcing it or distorting it by having some better idea than how, you know, reality would just have things be, and so. So it is, it’s always been a wonder to me how, how it is, there’s so much power put into the energetics that are discordant and kind of kind of in a distortion of sorts, and there’s so much Initial Power that appears, but ultimately, it will never be sustainable. And so, I always marvel about, about that. And I’ve made it a personal kind of disposition, just kind of quietly along the way. Just curious about how far would just integrity take me, you know, how, how far would it go? If I, if I, you know, how many people could I reach how many, how many people could be touched how many lives could be enhanced if, if all I ever did was just walk the authentic path. And when people would come forward and say, you need to do this, everybody’s doing this in order to build your business or this is happening. And if I didn’t feel it, I was like, you know, thank you No. And a few times, I truly trusted some of the people and then I would try it, and it just, you know, it was It wasn’t ever out of integrity. But it wasn’t, it wasn’t a heartfelt thing for me, it was just more of an intellectual analytical process. And it would never work for me. And I quickly learned, you know, my path is just to just walk, just walk this and see, see what unfolds, see what happens and see where your life takes you. And I knew that this awakening that was, you know, starting 20 years ago with me, and these things were just unfolding literally visually and experientially that that there was a reason, and I didn’t know exactly in, you know, on this conscious level exactly what I was supposed to do with it. But I knew that, that it, it was significant enough that my life needed to be about that. And, and so that’s what it has. That’s how it has unfolded. And it has us speaking here today.

Rick Archer: That’s great. Yeah, there’s a nice example of that in your book. I liked what you said just now and also a few minutes ago about the head and the heart both being involved. And for you that that really worked. And you know if I’ve said this before on the show, but I don’t like to use the word Enlightenment because it has this static superlative connotation. But if, if I were to use it, I would want to refer to people who are very holistically developed, you know, intellect, heart, senses, you know, the whole, all different facets of our makeup. And very often you see lopsided development, Ken Wilber talks about lines of development that can get very out of sync with one another. But I really think it’s essential for our own wellbeing and the safety of our journey, and our influence on the world that we somehow achieve holistic development.

Sue Morter: Definitely, you know, this is one of the first things that I that I noticed when I came into this this world where there were teachers that were teaching and healers that were healing from this spiritual context and having come out of natural health care, I was very, you know, trained up on and had grown up inside of this world where the body had the ability to heal itself and our thoughts and our emotions had an influence on that and all of this was kind of working in a collaborative fashion and so my, my come from, if you will, was just was just that was very holistic and it’s in its own right at that time. And, and then I started meditating, and almost instantly these openings started occurring for me. And so, I was drawn to teachers, I couldn’t get enough of it when I would, you know, would just sit down in a room with people who were meditating. And, and, you know, a teacher was I was translating information, I knew all of it that was coming out was exactly the truth. And what I was here to be reminded of, and it was, it was my time to, you know, just drink this up. And yet, I would notice that oftentimes, there was extreme obvious health issues or extreme habitual things in their lifestyle that were really out of context, or it didn’t make sense to me, because I thought, number one, speaking again, of the integrity piece, I thought that you had to be an integrity, be a good person, you know, be taking care of yourself and eating certain ways. And, and I don’t know, exercising and those kinds of things that were, that were in my mind at the time, appropriate for vitality, in, in the human form. And, and here, I was coming across, you know, quite, quite a different arrangement, or do a different, you know, collection of, of obvious priorities. And, and then I started realizing, and I started asking, and, and one of the teachers said to me, if I’m a thief, and I become enlightened, I’m an enlightened thief, you don’t have to be an integrity. And, and I, I, you know, that was that was kind of close to the moment that I started parting ways and kind of moving in a different direction. But I was, I was also just, it was striking to my heart space, that, that someone that could be helping, this is another individual who is a healer. And I would see people flocked by the hundreds or the 1000s, to this individual that that was healing, healing people in these great rooms with, you know, just a tremendous high pristine energy, it’s so evident, but yet, there was, you know, just such an extraordinary lack of vital force in this in the body of this person, who was, who was doing this and,

Rick Archer: Where did all that pristine energy come from if there was his lack of vital force?

Sue Morter: Running rooms of people that were holding the space for the work and

Rick Archer: So, the group itself was creating that energy, but this guy was

Sue Morter: Not. Not however, was, was, you know, had these, these, these gifts, or these talents, these Siddhis that were moving energies in ways that most people cannot, and it just had my attention, I was just captivated by it. And also disheartened by, you know, the integration piece not being there. And interestingly, and not I can’t say that that was causal to why my interest became what it was, but, but simultaneously, my interest in integrating these experiences that I was starting to have in these higher realms, I became very interested in being able to repeat these on command, right. And so, my mind trained the way it was, is that I had to do it to get their heads and figure out what I was doing that allowed me to get there and, and after many years figured out, it was not the doing, it was the undoing the not doing that allowed that opening to be present and, and for me to become aware of it. And, and so, what I recognized in those years was that I had to be more in my body, and I had to be more integrated myself, in order to have access to being able to tap these frequencies on a regular basis, to be able to, to sit and sense my way into that, to perceive this stillness required more grounding for me. And so, embodiment became a focus of mine, just it developed itself. It just kind of birthed itself as an a realization that in order for me to tap these realms that I had shot up into, just opened up into in order for me to have access on a regular basis, it required not efforts of this Enlightenment as you’re speaking of it, but really more focus on embodiment, grounding myself coming into the body coming into the wisdom, energies coming into the having frequencies rather than the wanting frequencies and coming into the loving presence, rather than the trying efforting seeking channels. And so, so, landing in the body, more in more ways, is how I started interpreting, I started sensing that, wow, I’m actually more here. And that’s what allows me to be there. And there becomes here when I do that, so, so it, it started to change my perception. Now, I hadn’t joined these meditation groups because I was seeking Enlightenment, I didn’t even know about Enlightenment, I actually began participating in it. And in an attempt for stress relief, I was drawn to meditation for stress relief. And I met someone who was already in a, you know, in the 10, in the, the groups of meditating and, and they took me there and, and in the midst of that relationship, I found myself in the face of, of these meditation, retreats, etc. And it was really for the relationships that I was doing it, as much as it was for stress relief, learn to meditate just where I was coming from, at the time. And, and so, in, in the midst of that, I started having these, these openings. And I’m so grateful that I didn’t know that this idea of Enlightenment was a goal to pursue, because I was very goal oriented at that point in my life, and I would have started pursuing it, to the degree that I know I would have never, I would have never allowed myself, I can’t say never, but I have a tendency to believe that I would have made it harder on myself when I was, if because I would have taken it on as a project, I have to I have to get this done, I have to do accomplish this, I have to do this. And I didn’t even really know that it was something to, you know, accomplish, or achieve. It never has felt like that to me. And, and I think had I perceived it as such, I might have gotten lost in the pursuit and dialed into so much trying and efforting that I might it might have taken me longer to ever sit down and relax and allow and not do rather than how I had accomplished the other things in my life that I had accomplished. So yeah,

Rick Archer: Some good points in there. First of all, I think stress relief is a perfectly legitimate reason to get involved in meditation or yoga or something like that. Sometimes people criticize it and say, Oh, it’s just superficial and worldly or whatever. But why not? Is not that stress release a good thing? Stress relief. And, and next thing, you know, you’re having beautiful, profound experiences. So, if whatever gets you started, you know,

Sue Morter: Exactly. Yeah, I totally agree.

Rick Archer: The thing about grounding, I think is really good too. Reminds me of an old Steven Wright joke where he said that “I broke up with my girlfriend because I wasn’t really into meditation, and she really wasn’t into being alive”. A lot of times people get a slice like a she you know, her sailboat has to have a big heavy keel down beneath the water in order to not tip over. And sometimes people don’t establish that keel in their in their life. And they can get very top heavy and very sort of airy fairy and ungrounded. And it’s, that’s not what you’re looking for. I mean, you really want an integrated development in which you can, you know, have your, maybe have your head in the clouds, but also have your feet on the ground and then span the distance between them.

Sue Morter: Exactly, yes, I completely concur. You know, the analogy of the roots in the tree, and they can’t really grow taller without deepening the roots and rather the foundation of a skyscraper or whatever. Yes, and I love the keel and the sailboat, I love to sail, it’s one of my, one of my lessons in life and, and appreciating working with collaborating with nature and the forces of nature, the wind, and the water. And, you know, that the power that you can feel when you’re integrating those elements at the same time, and that’s really what we’re speaking about.

Rick Archer: Yeah. So, you’ve alluded to these experiences you started having let’s get into some of those, like you had this real Lollapalooza experience on some retreat where you’re in there. Talk about that.

Sue Morter: Sure. So, I, I had been kind of drawn into this community that we spoke of earlier. And I was pulled in closely quickly to the teacher and was serving as an as a personal assistant very quickly just did it you know, like blink blink. And, and I was also my disposition in life was to serve to give to kind of over give and to always be trying to do the right thing and help out and, and it was a little outside of the self, the degree to which that I was functioning that way and, and, and perhaps this, this teacher was on to that and gave me a list of things to do, that were impossible to do in the amount of time that I was given to do them. And so I was running around behind the scenes at this retreat, taking care of all sorts of things. And, you know, making sure this and monitoring that and going and purchasing this for this and just, you know, literally running around in the back hallways with sweat running down my back to try to make this this experience beautiful for 300 people that were sitting in the ballroom with the music playing and the candles lit and, you know, the draperies blowing in the breeze, and it was, you know, I got past the door on my way on one of my errands, and, and realize

Rick Archer: You’re actually a member of this retreat, you just got kind of drawn into all this work, right?

Sue Morter: I was, I was paying to do the work

Rick Archer: Paying to do that, yeah.

Sue Morter: Yes. Wasn’t very, right. So, I and I, and I realized that and this one, this one particular moment, I it hit me, I was like, I looked at the list, and I looked at it, you know, and I looked in the door and saw these people having a beautiful time. And, and I you know, it just landed for me. And I said, you know, um, you know, I said actually a couple of expletives and in very graphic form that got the job done, and, you know, cut through something in my own consciousness and, you know, a couple of words, and, and I threw the list away and walked into the room, and, you know, just said, I’m just gonna go have me a meditation, you know, by golly, and so I sat down and, and I was, I was new to the whole thing, I didn’t understand Sanskrit, they were chanting Sanskrit terms, and it was Om Namah Shivaya, and it was the slowest version of that, that you can imagine, and I wasn’t used to singing or, you know, letting anything come out of my mouth, like that. And I would have thought of that as sending singing at the time. That’s, that’s where I was. And so, so I had to, I sat down and, and they were, they were holding these tones longer than I could, because I was very shallow breather and a perfectionist trying to compensate for my shyness in the world. And, you know, just overcoming the overcoming and, and, so, holding these tones, I had to concentrate with all that I had everything that I had, which I think was an important ingredient in the moment, and Sanskrit tones, you know, Om Namah Shivaya making these sounds that are obviously opening and, and creating frequencies inside the system that have a stilling effect on the mind and enlivening effect on the, on the, on the essence on the energy system beneath and, and I was having to breathe slower than I ever breathed. And I was having to take deeper breaths than I normally would, in order to just stay in tandem and do the right thing with everybody around me that was chanting the right way. And I was trying to learn how to do that. And so, in that, also, another ingredient, another active ingredient, maybe, was that I was, you know, I was taking a claim for myself, I was like, you know, I’m not gonna go do this thing that I always do of taking care of everybody else, I’m gonna go to sit down and do something for me. And it wasn’t my general come from in life. It was something I had to consciously learn how to do. So, this was a moment where that was starting to find a balance. And so, these ingredients were all there. And the collective the group energy was there and, and I got through a few rounds of this Om Namah Shivaya and boom, I disappeared into another realm. I was in a light so brilliantly bright; it was 10 times brighter than the brightest day in the desert that I had ever seen. And I could see 360 degrees around above below everything a sphere, I could just I could see it all instantly. And I could perceive the earth I could see the earth beneath me it was about the size of a marble. And I was me, but I wasn’t in a body. I was embedded into the earth up to what felt like it would have been my knees, but it didn’t have me. So, it was just this ray of light, this golden Citrine kind of colored ray of, of Conscious Light, and this brilliant light above this horizon, and then bright light below the horizon. And every time I took a breath, this horizon was this pink, beautiful, iridescent translucent blanket of light that would rise up on my inhale as I was chanting and would drop to back to its resting place on my exhale. And with each inhale like these giant wings of a stingray just swimming in slow motion under the oceans what it looked like behind me beside in front everything equal, and I knew that this brilliant light overhead was becoming love as it passed through my own system and that I was breathing love down this ray to the earth. And I knew in that instant that that is what we are, that’s the only thing that’s happening that we are transmuting light into love and creating and existence here in this physical dimension. And I had freewill in this moment because I could choose to breathe big or small. And this blanket would respond in accordance with that. And I knew that the degree to which we allow ourselves to breathe freely, is proportional to the amount of light that is being transduced into love. In in our systems, and I don’t know how long I was there in this in that initial moment. But when I dropped back into my body and knew that I was sitting here in this room, and could hear people chanting, I opened my eyes, and I was looking from a different place than I was looking from when I initially closed them. And I happen to look to the front of the room and the teacher was sitting there eyes locked right on me with this huge smile with you know, like, got you, you know, like, I got you. And I was like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you got you that had me completely. And there was so much bliss, and, and so much emanation of an exalted Divine Presence. As I was in this body, I could feel the radiance, again, that I could see had seen when I was a kid in the creek bed, I could see it emanating off of my own face and my hands and, and everyone else, and could once again, see these energies in the spaces between the people that were in the room with me. And I knew that my life was changed forever, in that I now had a reference point that was my new baseline, that everything would be relative to. And I’ll just add briefly to this, that in, in the days that followed, you know, there were tremendous, there was a tremendous time of integration after that, for me, it was it was a big challenge to try to pick up on in the life that I’ve been living prior. But one of the things that I noticed that is so interesting to me is that when I would look at people in the room with me, they would look like a photograph, you know, the difference between if you pick up a photograph of someone versus sitting right next to them and seeing that the through the 3d version of them, versus the two dimensional version of them in a photograph how this looks so flat, that people walking around in this world looked as flat as a photograph, relative to the multiple dimensional perception that the field had my field had been, you know, exposed to or awakened to, in some way. And it was, it was quite interesting for me to try to navigate how close I was to someone where they were and where they were not. Because of just trying to recalibrate, seeing through this energy field, and just seeing differently dimensionally after that.

Rick Archer: Let’s talk about let’s talk more about the days and weeks after that big experience. In your book, you said that it took you about a week before you had integrated that energy enough so that you could sit and stand and walk around. So, what was happening in that week before you could even do those things.

Sue Morter: Yes, I was lying in a bed. And I didn’t care if I ever, ever opened my eyes and came out in that bed because we were still on the retreat that I was in. Well, what happened was I came back, you know, just clamped down, got home from the retreat. And, and, and as I got back from the retreat, people were waiting for me at the airport because they had heard that I had this experience and the message on the other end was Don’t let her get on a plane. And I didn’t get the message I’d caught a 5am flight and you know, so it was all that I could do someone was flying with me. But I was just you know, muscling up to simulate the same effort putting into that I remember feeling like I if I was trying to lift like a dumbbell with 150 pounds on it. That much effort that you would put into that and your physicality I was having to, like, walk with trying to contain myself in a body, or I would just bliss out and get lost at the airport, which I was. You were in India when this happened? Having to come back from India? No, I was in the United States.

Rick Archer: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Sue Morter: And so, and so, when I got home, there were people there at the airport, helping me get to the house, and, and boom, you know, when I, when I’d lay down in my bed, I just let go, I was able to just let go again. And there was this beautiful woman who, who would wake me up every, you know, a couple of times a day and, and give me something to eat that they were, you know, the teacher and some of the assistants were recommending, and making sure that I was drinking water and, and I would be just like, like, I was drunk, like I was completely drugged or just totally blissed out. And it wasn’t, I wasn’t, you know, I don’t, I haven’t ever taken anything, you know, psychotropic or psychedelic in that way. And so, so there, I would lay there in this bliss. And then as I would try, I would feel somebody touching my body trying to, you know, stir me, and I would have to compress myself is what it felt like, just squeeze myself into this place, this presence here. And, and it would be blissful, but vibrating, just so much vibration. And you know, as each day would pass, I was just, I would be out all day, all night, just in this, in these realms where there was, there was nothing, or there would be, you know, kind of a cosmic kind of feeling similar to what we see when we look at that nebula and, you know, Star Dust and these cosmic clouds that we look at when we look at, you know, astronomy and photography of outer space. And sometimes it would be like that, and filled with colors or sounds, but it was all just, you know, now, I have a greater context for those things, but at the time, it was just, you know, a blissful swirl of everything, and nothing-ness. And, and then I got a call from the teacher about four or five days later, and, you know, they held up the phone for me, and I just remember hearing, it’s time for you to ground these energies, it’s just really time for you to ground this. And so, the encouragement was to get into salt bath and, and, you know, just start moving my body and that type of thing. And so, that’s, that’s what I did with a little help from my friends, and, you know, got that in now, then, as soon as I started doing that, things began to integrate enough, I could walk around the house, and, you know, but I didn’t, I didn’t want to hear music, radio, people talking, the television, forget about it, it felt so invasive, and so intense, to my system, that had just been, you know, just opened up into such an expansive state. And, and I went to work maybe a week later for half day, and we just go into my treatment room and, and work with my patients and, and they would leave and another one would come in, and I would just kind of park myself for the several weeks to come. And, you know, we would laugh about the patients knew what was happening, many of them knew what was going on. And, and they were, they were happy to make their way into the treatment room themselves instead of being greeted and, you know, handled normally, because they were, they would joke about, you know, just being in the room with you at this point is going to be, you know, a session for me. And just learning how to, you know, do the doing of life again, was fine. But it was very obvious to me, the harshness that we have adopted and adapted as the norm baseline, inside of our human existence. They, the energies that we’ve learned, that we tolerate, that we tune out so many layers of our reality, in order to function in our world, that it is not a one, it’s not a wonder, it’s no wonder that, that people have a hard time, you know, dropping back down into that state of presence that is the true self without the help of the body. It was it was the embodiment piece that allowed me to find my way here in this world with the buffering and the filtering, that the body itself does bringing my awareness into the body was the saving grace was what allowed me to not only become functional again, but really I found super functional, I became much more capable, much more energy much more endurance, much more vitality and much more capacity to perceive, you know, what, what was necessary, what was appropriate, who we are what’s going on here, there was a level of discernment that just came forward without an effort, all because I felt like I was in my body for the first time in my life, and, and that the body was contributing to the ability to translate this really cosmic proportion of, you know, intelligence that we are. So

Rick Archer: That’s pretty cool. As you were speaking, I was kind of thinking of that line, that scene in When Harry Met Sally, where Meg Ryan is having this experience at the table with Billy Crystal, and then someone at the next table says, I’ll have what she’s having.

Sue Morter: Whatever that is.

Rick Archer: But it’s, it’s really interesting. And, you know, like you say, when you finally integrated this thing, the amount of energy that you found that you had, and that you still have was orders of magnitude above what it had been before this. And you know, if you’ve ever people who have ever encountered a sort of one of these great beings like Amma, whose picture I have over my shoulder, something that you think, how does she do it? You know, I mean, how does she sit there for literally for 24 hours without getting off the couch, hugging 150,000 people or something like that word, without dropping down and still looks really bright when she gets up even more so, maybe? So, there’s this, you know, I mean, I know you’d like to talk about physics and stuff. I mean, physicists say that, at the level of the vacuum state, there’s more potential energy unexpressed energy, than in a cubic centimeter, then there is in the whole manifest universe, at a more superficial level. And we are, you know, whatever the vacuum state of the unified field or anything may be, we are that, I mean, it’s our essence, as well as the essence of everything else. And so ultimately, that’s what we are. And it seems that realizing that is tantamount to tapping into that energy and being able to be a conduit for it to whatever extent this body can handle it. And obviously, initially, it was maybe too much to handle for you. But then you have you, you adapted to it, you adjusted to it, and the rest has been cruising along for you.

Sue Morter: It’s been amazing. I’ve oftentimes described it as people asked me, “How do you do what you do?” How do you do that you used to be on a plane, you know, two or three times a week flying different cities constantly doing and then just stepping in and teaching all day for 5, 6, 7 days in a row? And at the end of it, I could begin again, it’s always that way. And how do you do that? Where do you get the energy and it’s like, my, my knee jerk response was, I’m not using my energy, it’s, I mean, it ultimately is mine, it’s ours. But it’s not this separate self, this isolated entity that’s having to generate my own energy, it’s like, I borrow it, I utilize it, I give it back, I try to, you know, improve upon it as I can, as I’m, you know, expressing in the world and, and I just get some more and give it back again, and it’s just literally feels like an open channel. And, you know, that’s become a part of the teaching of, you know, the techniques, types of approach that I utilize is to just to teach people to start perceiving themselves as this open channel that is receiving and utilizing and then, you know, releasing and receiving and utilizing and giving it back so that, that we’re not walking around trying to muster up the gumption or find the energy to have to do something. Now, I will say that the more analytical thinking one does, the harder it is to do that. So, we do have to cultivate this, this sense of presence and observation and just kind of kicking it into neutral and being here in order for that to be able to happen consistently.

Rick Archer: Yeah, and not only, as you say, in your book, not only are most people not tapped into this amazing energy, but also perhaps because of that, they, their whole system, mind and body function very inefficiently. So, there’s a lot of mental chatter that doesn’t contribute to anything and corresponding physiological agitation that that is not an efficient way to function. So, we not only do not have that infinite access to that infinite energy, but we’re consuming a lot of the energy we do have with fruitless activities, mental and physical.

Sue Morter: Absolutely. People have no idea how much energy they consume by trying to weigh out their options and being trapped in it indecision and, and writing stories about people’s intentions or, or predicting their future or regretting their past there is so much energy consumed in those uses of the mind that that energy then is not available to be felt and perceived in a strong enough concentration, that they could then channel it into this, this toric field flow that, that you know that I’m speaking about that that became obvious to me that my system was running on. So, they can’t ever perceive the energy flowing through their system because it’s so dissipated into these mental activities and these emotional consumptions and regrets and remorse’s is and you know, all of that, that

Rick Archer:  Spinning our wheels,

Sue Morter: It disperses it, yes, it’s spinning wheels, and it’s just flying off of us, instead of containing it and holding it and having it and appreciating it and feeling it so that the sensory nervous system can start to perceive it and appreciate it. You know, if once people start being able to feel the energy that they truly are, the sensory nervous system, the mind can, can perceive it, and it can develop an appreciation for it, which then magnifies it, and makes it even more robust and obvious to us, and then it becomes something we can work with. And something that we don’t we choose easily choose not to overthink a situation because we can feel it, robbing our energy, we choose not to, you know, predict, or analyze or, or, or write a story about something because we feel our energy being consumed outwardly. And now not available to utilize in the ways that that we came here to utilize it, you know, that, that we came here to awaken to it?

Rick Archer: Yeah, there’s a verse in The Gita, which goes for many branched and endlessly diverse are the intellects of the irresolute. But the resolute intellect is one-pointed nose reminds me of sort of like a bicycle wheel where, you know, ordinarily, people’s attention are scattered like the spokes in every direction. And they’re out on one or another spoke kind of just jumping around without any center. But you know, the resolute intellect, someone who is established, there is more like the hub. And you know, can just the hub doesn’t actually move much compared to the spokes, spokes are going around like this, the hub is just in more silent space. And but from its perspective, you know, it, it hasn’t sort of gone out and gotten lost on one spoke or another, it’s kind of the source of our bases are literally the hub of all the spokes. And, you know, so if we can function from there, obviously, our, you know, our activity can be much more efficient, because we’re not literally scattered.

Sue Morter: And we can sense in an instant, if it’s worth my attention or not, yeah, don’t leave home if we’re here. But we roll our attention out there and look, but I’m still sitting here, instead of me going over there to that thing, but staying on the self and observing, then we can tell in an instant, if that’s something that is really a vibrational frequency that I that I am, does it match? Does it match the real me that because we can maintain that reference point? But if we go, if we throw all of our attention over there onto the outer edge of the spoke, if you will, we’re over there on the object instead of on the self, where we’re now out there in the relative and it’s really tough to, to maintain a reference point of self, when we’re completely caught up in the movie, where we’re really caught up out there in the material world in the manifest.

Rick Archer: Yeah, another element of it, which you, I noted from your book is that you after this big breakthrough, you had a lot more kind of what we might call supportive nature, things were just kind of working out for you in in really interesting ways. One might almost say miraculous, and also you already referred to the intuition. And you know, one quick comment on that is, you know, I do think, and you probably agree that there’s a kind of a, an all-pervading intelligence that orchestrates the universe. And if we actually become one with that, even though we may not know everything that’s not humanly possible, but residing there, then that intelligence which is orchestrating everything orchestrates things for us to if we have a desire, it’s basically a cosmic desire. It’s a desire of that cosmic intelligence that is just being reflected through our individuality. And so, it gets the support of the cosmos rather than relying exclusively on our little, tiny individual efforts.

Sue Morter: Beautiful. I love it and yes, this is exactly how you I would describe it, it is the desires that rise are supported by the cosmos, because they’re rising from the cosmos, instead of

Rick Archer: Exactly

Sue Morter: This separate individual self coming up with some idea, and then trying to go out and find support for it, the things that occur are the things that are destined to materialize in the manifest, and they become the desires, because we’re tapped into that we’re not losing that connection. So as such, it generates this sort of what I referenced as this wave of grace, that just moves through my life experience. And people marvel about it, I marvel about it at the same time, that it happens. So consistently, and projects that I engage in every day, I’m in the middle of renovating a home that that I just moved into, and, and people are showing up out of nowhere, that have the skills or the abilities and, you know, when, when it’s at a time where that’s, you know, not readily available. People are marveling that these things are happening in record time and with record ease, and they scratch their heads as they walk past me in the hallway. It’s like, I know,

Rick Archer: Yeah, supportive nature. Another thing that happens, which I think I heard you say something about is that sometimes when things don’t work out, it’s actually to your advantage. Like today, I took a walk in the woods, and I spent 55 minutes making a recording to somebody who had had a spiritual awakening was wondering what to do, and then the battery in my iPod died, and the recording wasn’t saved. And so, you know, I thought, okay, well, there must be a reason for it. I’ll make another one tomorrow. And I don’t know, we don’t want to start reading cosmic significance to into every little thing that happens. But you do kind of after a while begin to trust, the way things are orchestrated, again, by that intelligence I was referring to there’s you trust it because it, it proves itself, you know, over and over again.

Sue Morter: Time and time again, time and time again. And the ease with which that allows life to unfold is tremendous, that that you didn’t get upset, and that you didn’t start in your mind thinking, you know, judging out I should have charged it, I should have known all the things that people do in that moment, when you actually now know that the recording that you make tomorrow is going to have some element in it or some kind of angle to it. That didn’t come through today, that will come on that will come through tomorrow, or whenever that recording does happen, that will be perfectly suited for whatever this individual is supposed to hear back from you. No question.

Rick Archer: There’s that movie with Tom Hanks, Bridge of Spies. And Tom Hanks is talking to this guy who was a spy. And he was saying to the guy just sitting there casually smoking a cigarette, the jig is up for him. He’s been found out and he could. And Tom Hanks is saying, you know, you could end up getting executed. Aren’t you worried? And he takes a puff on a cigarette and says, “Would it help?”

Sue Morter: No amount of worry is gonna get me out of this.

Rick Archer: A couple of questions came in, let’s ask those. And then we’ll use that as a way of shifting gears and talking more about the energy codes. So, one is from Rita in Melbourne, Australia. And she asks, she actually sent this in a few days ago, and she said asked us of any guests who would like to answer, and I thought well ask Sue, because she’s the next one up. She said, I understand this is a spiritually significant time right now. How can I harness embrace and further action, further action, my connection with the universe both consciously and subconsciously, in alignment in what I do every day? What changes can I expect to see, hear, or feel? What evidence will I notice?

Sue Morter: I think that we are being gifted at this time with a tremendous, unique circumstance that humanity has been asked to evaluate, to go home, to sit down to not do all the things that we normally do. There’s a stillness before us that isn’t typical. And in that I feel that that this bandwidth of the mental self is softening is poised in more curiosity rather than being on autopilot. And so there’s a presence and an availability and how someone might capitalize on that is to just simply bring consciousness to the fact that there is a divine order to things and that what we are all collectively being invited to do right now is in service to that and if we will allow that to be true for us on a personal level, then we are embracing what is occurring, rather than being resistant to the fact that we have to do this, or we have to do that, or we can’t do this, or this is not happening right now. And instead of being in resistance to it, to embrace it fully, to, to be curious about how is this serving? And even if the answer to the question doesn’t come immediately, the fact that we’re asking an open ended question that is filled with possibility, puts us in a vibrational frequency where this can serve us, instead of us dialing into the frequency of frustration and fear or resistance or, or resentment that we’re unable to be as freely, you know, doing or going as we, as we used to be, we’re being we’re being called into another version of ourselves. And if we allow that to be the perfect right time, and, and accept that on a personal note, I think that people will, and the students that I’m working with are definitely reporting this happening, that, that they’re finding that they have a greater sense of presence and patience, and that they’re healing and that they’re rejuvenating, and that they have more energy available. And they have more curiosity and creativity happening, because they’re actively embracing, and there are so many things that happen in the course of a day to, to remind us, oh, here’s another opportunity to do that. Or here’s another opportunity. If we, if we, you know, read them read the news, or watch the news, or here’s something happening, it’s another opportunity that’s constantly being elevated in on a conscious level, for us to start to walk and talk completely differently. So, by embracing it, number one, I think that it will dial you into a field of possibility and creativity and allow for rejuvenation the way that we’re speaking about this of your own energies to be able to be focused now on something different than then trying to strategize on how to deal with these difficult times, but, but rather, just embrace them, just assume that this is in your favor, and that it’s here for you. And by doing so, your translation of the energies happens very differently. And as such, your body physically has now more energy to work with results of that, or outcomes of being that way with it are definitely going to be presenting things to you like what we’re describing, you may even find that you’re, you’re closer in a divine nature, to, to the true self or to nature itself, or to a cosmic relationship of sorts that, that if we walk around, recognizing that, wow, life is really different. And this is happening in my favor. And there’s something here that is here, for me, that wasn’t here for me a year ago, that, that you begin to establish a rapport with something that used to feel out there and separate from you. And it’s through that rapport in that relationship, that we begin to actually be able to merge with it and become a bigger state of being because of this embracing in this trust in this faith. That’s, that’s right up in our face, in a way that it wasn’t, you know, for the majority of our adult lives. So, so I’m hoping that that’s helpful. I’m not sure that I tapped into all aspects of the question. I’ll

Rick Archer: You never, you never can get everything, but that was good. But what about, you know, I mean, things have been the, the pandemic and the shutdown and all that probably haven’t impacted you and I to adversely, although you can’t travel and do your, your seminars, but um, you know, you’re doing okay, and I’m doing okay, doing what I do, I can do it from home. But what about the person who worked in or owned a restaurant, and the restaurant has been closed down, you know, and they’re out of money, and they’ve got kids to feed and everything, some people are really going through it right now. And they’re also kind of on a forced retreat in a way where people who aren’t used to retreats begin to feel very uncomfortable, because they’re used to sort of doing stuff. So how do you speak to those people?

Sue Morter: Sure. And my heart so goes out to individuals I have, dear friends that are that are in these types of circumstances. And, and in our conversations, what they are realizing is that for some of them, they’re realizing that while they were doing what they were doing, and it was their source of income, it really wasn’t their choice of vocation, and that they’re actually in a state of reevaluation and reinvention. And what I feel on a higher spiritual level is happening for them is that that forced reevaluation or that forced you know, stymie of this system that was in flow is, is causing this squeeze up into a higher meaning of life and really looking to who I am what matters most, and these energies of, of searching and finding and reprioritizing. And, and so many people have reported to me in conversation that, that they’re finding that they have a greater understanding of love, and their value system is shifting and, and while they’re struggling with their finances, they’re also recognizing that a reprioritization of what they thought they needed, is happening. And so, if someone, you know, if someone is on a spiritual path, and they find themselves living in an ashram or they find themselves wanting to, to seclude themselves, or to even relinquish a lot of their worldly goods because of the energetic that that consumes and that suddenly they’re being drawn into this centeredness, and this, this alignment with their true divine nature, those things are happening voluntarily for someone who’s seeking on the path. And, and what’s happening are those same sets of circumstances in mass for humanity. And while we’re meeting it with confusion and frustration, and, you know, an inherent resistance, and in a sense of Survivor hood, it ultimately might be drawing them into that same vertical alignment, that ultimately in the course of their life, will be a necessity. It is a necessity for each of us, sometimes it doesn’t happen until the days that we are in, you know bedridden, that we are in hospice, or that we are in, you know, serious contemplation of, of who we are in our, our moments left here on Earth, that sort of arrangement and alignment is trying to happen. And there’s a sense of desperation about it, oftentimes causing a lot of fear in the midst of one’s transition out of the physical dimension and into the spiritual realms, you know, in involved in that cycling that we were speaking of earlier in our conversation. And so, what if right now, it’s breaking the seal on what we thought life was and causing us to do some of those evaluations and meet with some of that discomfort now, so that as this starts to open up again, we are aware and awake to parts of ourselves that that no other set of circumstances may have generated the awareness of. And so, as we go through the rest of our lives, a greater sense of self, and this awareness is included in all of our decisions in our actions that we are taking moving forward. And so, as we add near the end of our life experience here, we already have a greater sense of self as if we’d been on a deep spiritual path. By choice, it seemingly put us there not by choice, but at some level, it accomplished what, what we are here to accomplish, and awaken to in this realm, which is who we are, what is true. What matters most, while we’re here on this frontier of consciousness called the third dimension in a physical form, you know, now that might not speak to Okay, on a daily basis, here’s what you do. And I do speak to that, but just trying to, to, to give some kind of context for people who are confused and afraid, and really dealing with it on a on a challenge level right now that there might be a really high level of support happening here. That is something that might not have met the eye under any other set of circumstances.

Rick Archer: So, in other words, it may be that the whole world is going through a kind of a phase transition or a reshuffling that is similar to that which an individual may undergo as they’re transitioning into a higher state of consciousness or higher state of being. There was, I once heard a chemist speak at a conference named Ilya, Ilya Prigogine, he won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. And he talked about how in the transition from one state to another, there’s often a sort of a turbulent period, wherever and we can think of the example of caterpillar to butterfly where it turns to mush and then the imaginal cells form it into a butterfly. So, there’s often a kind of a breakdown of familiar or comfortable structures. That’s apparently necessary as a transition takes place. I mean, look at you had a big experience and then you were flat on your back for at least a week and couldn’t function and had to gradually relearn to function but when you did, so, you were functioning in a whole different way. So maybe that’s happening to the world right now. And that might give a more positive perspective on what is otherwise a dire situation.

Sue Morter: I do feel that it is I do, I inherently feel that this is a good thing that we are having to reimagine ourselves that it is up leveling the amount of animated creative source energy inside of the bandwidth of human consciousness that we are animating creativity and, and presence, we’re having to rethink things, we’re here, we’re plugged in, in a way that autopilot wasn’t doing a year, a year and a half ago, you know, as, as this was starting to, to come down, you know, people were immediately having to respond. And then after a few months, they were having to, okay, I gotta get busy, I gotta figure this out, how to reengage. And then after a few months, really readjust that and deal with emotional issues that that are, you know, surfacing because of frustrations and fears, and, and recognizing how, how regularly we depend on thinking that we know what’s coming, you know, we dependent on that assumption, and, and clearly, we didn’t, we didn’t know, we just thought we did, but, but we rode on that thinking that we knew what to anticipate each day to some degree. And it freed us up. So, I feel that it’s cultivating a deeper level of faith and trust and, and ultimately, I feel like that is acclimating us introducing us to and acclimating us to the invisible realm. Who am I, when I can’t do the things that I’m used to doing, when I don’t get to show up in the world, the way I’m used to showing up, then who am I really, and what else is here in this world behind the scenes, that, that I might be able to start to, to activate and work with, you know, to put that into some tangible terms? I’ve been working with people who have been like, this hidden secluded, secret, Lee empathic all their lives, that now they’re able to come out and work with these energies, because it’s, it’s accessible, they’re not doing all the things that they were doing before. They’re they have time, they have space, they have energy. And they have awareness to tap into these, I’m working with people and in sharing with them how to become not only the healers that they are, but to work with people remotely, because we’ve been forced to work with people remotely. And so, people are tapping into talents and gifts that they never knew they had. And, and likely wouldn’t have pursued it, given the pace that humanity was in, and, and so, so many gifts are being revealed, in this invisible behind the scenes, higher states of consciousness, aspects of every human being on the planet, to some degree or another than just like everything else, the degree to which we embrace it and become curious about it, is the degree to which it will serve us. And the degree to which we resist it and clamp down and contract in the face of it is the degree to which we will suffer. And not to say that, you know, my business went away and, and I own a restaurant that I can’t, you know, bring people to and so I’m not, you know, the funds just simply aren’t there and I’m losing that. That is that is a very real intangible thing. But if we could say, okay, you know, it that that, what if that was serving me, what would that look like? What if it was good? Then how would I start processing? Everything that I’m processing? How would I you know, what emotions would rise up in me what energies would I feel inside my system any differently than then how I was feeling it when I’m just in the shock and in the resistance and in the emotional, you know, upheaval, and then therefore, perhaps even anxiousness or, or depression, because of it. If I were to change my perception on it, might I also change my experience and the degree to which I can benefit from this reinvention time?

Rick Archer: Last week, I interviewed three guys who have a podcast called Con-spirituality. And one of the things we discussed is that in other pandemic times and in times of great social upheaval and economic collapse and things like that, conspiracy theories just seem to go wild. As if people are grasping it at means of understanding what the heck is going on in their world. And this is happening now obviously, and, you know, there are people who say the virus is a hoax or that, we don’t even have to go into them all. But do you have any thoughts on this it actually the spiritual community, which is why this word skin spirituality was coined, seems particularly susceptible to it. There. I have friends in Sedona, who say that maybe three quarters of the people of the new agey types there are into QAnon, or something related to it. So, do you have any insights about this phenomenon, which I find rather baffling and disturbing?

Sue Morter: Yes, you know, Rick, I think it comes down to the basic human dilemma. I think that ultimately, we are here to choose, we are here to create. And ultimately, we are here to determine what the nature of our presence here will be. We’re here to choose that and create it. And so, as circumstances arise, and the pressure is up, and the intensity is upon us, we again are at choice. So, whether it is a hoax, or is real, whether it is man-made or natural, whether it is intended for this purpose or that purpose. The bottom line is, who will you choose to be given your circumstances that you are actually experiencing each day? Who will you choose to be? How would you choose to utilize your energies? What amount of love and presence and good intention? What degree of action will you place upon those qualities that you are being that you are breathing that you are bringing? What degree of action in what ways will you express will you maintain your identity as a presence that is completely capable of processing everything that is before you because ultimately, as we said earlier, in this conversation, you’re made of the universe, there is not a single thing that you are not, you are that compressed into a body? And you are that waking up, you’re bringing conscious awareness to all of those vibrational frequencies. So there is nothing out here that is bigger than you, unless you choose to only identify as a fraction of who you actually are, when we become identified as the protective personality or the false self or the egoic, you know, individual that needs to guard or fight against in order to have, then, then we are, we’re subjecting ourselves to the world of duality, where we really have to, you know, put up our Dukes and be strong and fight back and, and if we can teach our minds to recognize the greatness, the mag, the magnificence of our being, then we can walk in a state of transmutation, walk in a state of flourishing abundance, no matter what our external circumstances are. And so, you know, that’s what we’re here to do is to master the internal reality, regardless of external circumstances, we’re here to bring the absolute we’re not here to find it, we’re here to reveal it. And because we’re not clear on that we get really caught up in is it this? Or is it that? Is it this? Or is it that? And in reality, I think the answer is yes. Is this and it is that and who are you going to choose to be in the face of all of those possibilities. And so, so whether it’s conspiracy, and whether it’s true, whether it’s real, whether it’s induced, or whether it’s, you know, just because we’ve made, you know, we’ve medicated ourselves to the degree that the bugs that are surviving are superbugs, we have to realize that, that there is also an evolution of human consciousness at that same time, and we have the potential to transmute anything, if we will teach ourselves if we will, we will organize and integrate and embody and, and root and ground as we were speaking earlier, then our capacity elevates. And as our capacity elevates, we are capable of transmuting this current situation, so is a long answer to a short question, but it is, I think, ultimately it boils down to it’s our choice and it’s in there just up the game is being upped because we’re up for the game being upped. And, and here we are at a choice point.

Rick Archer: I want to give you time to talk about the energy codes. But a few more questions have come in. Do you want to just talk about the energy codes? Or do you want me to ask the questions and maybe you can kind of weave in some energy code stuff to the answers for these questions.

Sue Morter: Let’s take the questions for sure.

Rick Archer: All right. So, here’s one from Wesley in Oregon, he asks I have I have heard the idea that and often felt that certain mantras and prayers like for example, the Gayatri Mantra or say the Lord’s prayer that these common sacred chants carry the charge of the whole collective energy of the countless times they’ve been spoken throughout time. That enchanting them one is plugged into and adding to the power of that accumulated field energy. Any thoughts on that Sue?

Sue Morter: I definitely concur with that. I also think that that is not the only reason that they carry the power that they carry. I think that the root power that they carry is the vibrational frequency and intonation and what is activated in the system. By letting them move through our individual bodies in vibrational frequency, we’re made of light, and we’re compressed together into a physical body. And on the way to that sound is generated in that compressive state. And so, the sounds of the Gayatri Mantra, for instance, are sounds that activate different vibrational frequencies throughout our whole system. And as we repeat those tones, we become actively enlivened by the toning and levels of our consciousness are enlivened. And, of course, in the bandwidth of human consciousness that we’re all tapping into, the more that something is held as true at the conscious level, through the repetition over the years over the ages. It of course, enhances that in the very vibrations that we’re walking through inside of this bandwidth that we share. So, so it was originally phenomenally profound. And it has only been enhanced because it has been held as sacred because of what it is, since the beginning of this, this recording. Yeah,

Rick Archer: yeah. It’s also said that these mantras, and the Bija mantras that are often taught, actually are just sort of the, if a mantra can be chanted out loud or thought in the mind, then they’re actually subtler levels of that Mantra as well. And at the very subtlest level, it’s said that these powerful mantras actually are aligned with one would say, with deep impulses of intelligence that are very fundamental to nature, we can call them Gods or devas in that terminology, but that using the Mantra actually creates a collaborative sort of relationship with that, God or that impulsive intelligence, we help them in some way they help us. And, you know, everybody’s happy.

Sue Morter: Yes, a resonance of coherence, and ultimately an awakening, I also feel that we, we do merge with that frequency, so it doesn’t remain me and them that is helping me it is then a We, and then it is an I. And that I am that as well. But I can’t get there with my egoic mind with my with my material-based consciousness, I can only get there as a vibrational coherence, I can only get there as a vibrational resonance when, when I allow my thinking mind to soften into the heart space and to allow these tones to be spoken, then I’m activating that for the greater self.

Rick Archer: Good. Martin from Germany, as if the inner state is manifesting in the outer world, and my anger or even rage of being treated with injustice, and humiliation, is creating resistance and back anger in my opposites. I think he means he gets angry, and then it comes back to him. How do I change that? Do I have to love my enemies? And how would I do that? Or do I have to let them humiliate me and be submissive? In other words, how do I turn the situation around from the inside out?

Sue Morter: Yes. Well, you said it in the last part of your question is this from the inside out. So, loving your enemies is a wonderful thing to do, but your enemies are only a reflection of you. So, they are the reflection of that, you know, science is showing us that we’re just projecting our self onto a movie screen, and then we’re engaging with the self. And it is in through that that we’re then able to come to know what’s going on in here that I have enemies reflects the fact that I internally am not embracing all aspects of the self. So, self-love is and to stay on the self and to truly be loving into the self or as the self even more accurately, then what happens is in the idea of enemies disappears. When there is enough self-love happening. When there is enough self-love happening. We emanate and radiate a different movie. And we look into these people, and we see them not quite as the enemy that they were before, but perhaps a teacher, or perhaps a reference point for me to glean feedback on how I’m doing at the game of self-love. If I’m constantly bumping into friction and resistance and people that are mean or that that, are you know, not acting in love. Then if that is an out picturing of what’s going on in here, it simply means there are parts of me that I haven’t embraced yet. There are parts of me that I’m not loving into. There are self-judgments and, and compartmentalization that I’ve generated. And they are reflecting that back to me. And as I focus on changing this from the inside out, like take your attention off the enemies for a bit, and utilize that as man, if, if that degree of unloved or non-Love is coming at me, it’s coming from me. And so maybe I’m not mean to them, but maybe I’m not so nice to me, just to put it simply, and so start loving into those parts of the self that have gotten, you know, abandoned and have gotten thrown under the bus along the way and, and start reclaiming them and calling them back and getting to know them and, and breathing into them with compassion and, and, and beginning again, a new and what will happen is, you will see that when you look out to these enemies, they don’t look quite so, so distorted any longer that there’s a refinement that’s happening in the field, which allows you to have a different engagement there.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Okay, this next question, I think will help us segue into more about the energy codes. This is from camera on in San Marcos, California. How important is practice and the experience of true nature?

Sue Morter: Beautiful. Well, you know, it’s not that we have to practice to, to relate to true nature, it is that we have to practice not separating ourselves from true nature, we have to practice stopping that. So practices in my, in my estimation, are designed to teach us how to undo what we landed here and began doing as a means of survivorship, not knowing who we were, while in the years that we were formulating our orientation here on this planet, you know, we kind of land in splat, and our mind goes one way and our body goes another and, you know, our consciousness is kind of hanging out to see if it’s ever going to be safe to drop into the river fully. And, and so, so practices are how to gather ourselves again, so that we know that mind and body and spirit breath are, are really unified, they’re really one thing. And as such, we come to know ourselves as nature again, so we’re awakening to true nature, by using practices that will call us back home again. Is the mind is splattered out here oriented to the external world and through pratyahara retracting our senses back inwardly, we can come to sense and feel and perceive the self in ways that we just never, we never can orchestrate that kind of understanding when our attention is externally oriented. So, so techniques practices regularity, systemized way of coming back onto the self, all that it is doing is allowing you to discover the nature the true nature, that that you are, that your mind alone never got to experience because it is only a certain fraction of energetic bandwidths. And it’s not the whole. And when we are identified as the mind, we don’t feel complete. And we never will because we’re not if we’re identified as the mind. So, what we’re doing is peeling ourselves off of the mind, coming back on to the self-realizing we have a mind, that’s to serve us, instead of it controlling the show, we have to get it in its proper role. And, and so practices are what allow that to happen in a consistent enough fashion, that enough of the photons and then activating the sensory nervous system. And then this perception of self can happen in a consistent fashion that we don’t forget, we don’t just have an aha moment. And then two minutes later, you know, be upset at the guy who cut us off in traffic, you know, thinking that it’s the end of the world. So

Rick Archer: A couple of things I want to hear you talk about more, one is the bus stop conversation, you can explain what that is. And then, you know, let’s say someone reads this book, or eventually, you know, gets to go to seminars or workshops that you teach, what are they actually going to learn? So, let’s cover both of those things if we could.

Sue Morter: Sure. So the bus stop conversation is similar to what might click in for someone easily to reference it as a soul contracts kind of idea where we have an arrangement that that I’m going to help you refine something and you’re going to help me refine something while we come into this, this realm in these bodies and live this life, so I used to describe it as a council conversation a council angels, getting ready to come to earth. You know, we play out the roles, figure out what, who’s going to help who with what. And then we come, and we forget that we have that conversation, and we figure it out when we come. And, and then I found myself speaking at, at business conferences in medical communities where councils of Angel type conversations weren’t going to fly in. So, I just tossed it out one day as this, okay, just imagine that you’re going to the bus stop to catch the bus to come to Earth. And, and while you’re there, you strike up a conversation at others at the bus stop. And, and you ask him, you know, what are you going to experience when you go in and, and the other person, you know, does the same. And somebody says, well, I don’t know, I’ve never been and somebody else raises their hand says, I’ve been there before. crazy place. Super wild. Last time I left I, I accidentally, like coincidentally did this thing that they call forgiveness. And, and it felt so amazing, that all this energy just rushed through me, and I let go of all these things that I was carrying around forever, and boom, you know, I just had this amazing revelation, and then you know, it was over, because I was on my way out. So, I’m going back, and I’m going to do that again. But I’m gonna do it sooner, and I’m gonna do it bigger. So, I’m going back for a level 10 forgiveness. And, and I can’t wait, because what I felt was amazing, it’s going to be 10-fold of that. So that another person at the bus stop was like, wow, sounds great. How are you going to do that? That person says, “Well, I guess I’m gonna have to, I don’t know, experience something that’s nearly unforgivable”. And then I’m gonna live with that and be angry about that and be frustrated and compressed inside myself, get down the road, start feeling the physical effects of that, you know, my, my health is going to decline live, this contracted, compressed life. And at some point, I’m gonna get sick and tired of being that way, I’m going to reach inside myself, and I’m gonna find some part of me that I don’t even know I had some depth in depth level of forgiveness, reach up and express it out there. And I mean, to have this, this, this huge experience of forgiveness, and get to know a part of myself that I, I never would have known. And so, you know, the other people at the bus stop are like, whoa, sounds amazing. You know, how, how can we help? And the person says, Well, somebody’s going to have to do something that’s nearly unforgivable. Like, you know, drink too much at happy hour, get behind the wheel, cross the center line, hit my car, take my loved ones, cripple me, you know, these kinds of things that could have been avoided, it has to be just, you know, just completely wrong of wrongs. And, and so you know, who will help me? And, you know, everybody’s like, not me, I don’t want to be that guy, you know, who wants to be that guy? And, and so then the conversation, you know, goes on, and it’s like, really come on out, I bought my bus ticket. Now, here I am, this is my chance. You know, don’t, don’t leave me out. And so, somebody, finally the back of the place, raises their hand and says, okay, I can see how much this means to you, I’ll be the one, I’ll be the one that is the perpetrator, the one that does these, these nearly unforgivable things. So that can be translated in many ways, many different people’s lives. And invariably, when I share this, whether I’m doing an online teaching, and you know, which, which I’m doing now, or when we were in the rooms together, invariably people crying and recognizing, oh, my God, that, you know, the person who abused me or the person who abandoned me, actually was the one who, you know, finally raised their hand and helped me deliver or help deliver this scenario for me, that is going to allow me to reach inside and find maybe a level 10 self-love that I never would have found had I not been up against the adverse circumstances, the friction that was created from that dynamic, or, you know

Rick Archer:  Which is not to say that an abuser can say, I’m doing this for your own good.

Sue Morter: Yeah, no. So, it is not that we ask for it in that way. And ultimately, that abuser is going to have to take, take inventory on what they came here to learn. So, it might be self-forgiveness, it might be, you know, redemption, it might be something along those same lines, that they will have to come to terms, whether it’s now or whether it’s blink, blink, a few lifetimes later, it does resolve because that is the way the universe works. It does abhor a vacuum; it wants to fill it at once flow and unity. So, these kinds of concentrated energies that are unresolved, cannot maintain themselves and so we’re here to resolve them consciously on this spiritual path, so that we don’t have to pay it out karmically in some kind of unconscious manner, we can dissolve that right here with our own awareness and intention. So, the bus stop conversation is to allow this understanding on more of a personal note, that, that there is purpose that that nothing is bigger than us that we managed it that we requested it so that we could awaken ourselves in certain ways that we are bigger than these individual circumstances that we are facing in this life.

Rick Archer: Patanjali said to avert the danger, which has not yet come which means if you can work it all out within yourself so that you don’t have to work it out karmically as you just said.

Sue Morter:  Yes, yes. Beautiful.

Rick Archer: Right, let’s talk about the energy code. So, tell us what this is all about.

Sue Morter: Certainly, well, we’ve kind of been talking about the energy code.

Rick Archer: We kind of have been. Yeah.

Sue Morter: Yeah. So, the book is filled with principles and practices. And so, the principles we’ve been tapping into, in, in large proportion in our conversation, and the practices are, how do you start to do that? How do you come on to the self instead of being splattered and dispersed? And how do you find ways to build the circuitry to perceive a greater sense of self rather than being caught up in our survivorship and our knee jerk reactions and the patterns and the habits that we’ve established and, and even a sense of self that we’ve orchestrated over the course of our lives? How do we find that greater self and, and so it’s, it’s a series of practices that use breathwork and use the conscious and the subconscious mind and memory and, and nerve patterning, develop developing synapses in the brain and in the body, that allow for circuits to be built to sustain a greater sense of healing and filtering and cleansing rather than the defensive, protective guarded portions of the nervous system, and so forth? So, I talk about body chemistry and very user-friendly terms that people can implement, you know, lifestyles, that, that generate an alkaline environment, so that our immunity and our robust vitality is present. And I also have, you know, a large emphasis there on, on how to really understand how to work with the individual circumstances that are happening in your life and, and how to allow the body to serve the minds attempt to understand and to translate that billions of bits of information bombard us every milli second this energy field that we are, and they land at the gut, they don’t land at our head, and then they rise up through the brain in our gut, and are filtered through the brain in our heart, and then they rise up to the brain in our head so that by then we’ve they’ve been translated into images and ideas and perceptions that are serving our lives here. And if we’re not living in our bodies, if we’re just living in our heads, then we, then we overthink, and we don’t use the body to help us filter and translate these energies. And so, we don’t know what to do with them. And we become anxious. And, you know, and overthink and over predict and, and analytical in ways that aren’t serving us the way that we’ve been speaking about it today. And so, for instance, a real, tangible, and valuable technique that, that people learn right away, is how to breathe up and down through the Sushumna, this central channel in the body, and how to anchor ourselves in the body. While we’re learning to enliven this, it’s a great integrator, it is what activates this integrative energy that allows us to not only be loving, but be loving and powerful, not only be loving and powerful, but also be wise and creative and, and strong and, and spiritual and capable all at the same time that we don’t have to be either powerful or spiritual, or either powerful or loving, that we can have all of that we are made of all of that. And we want to be able to access all of it all the time, whenever it is appropriate. So that central channel breathing, and then breathing for each of the energy centers and the levels of consciousness that are associated with them to enliven them, specifically, is a fantastic piece of it. And what I really love about it is that we start working with energy instead of story, we start working with the energy instead of the thinking mind. So, if someone walks in the room and upsets you, instead of saying, well, why do you do that? Or why do I get so upset when you do that? Either of which is a kind of an unanswerable question. If we’re asking it, we haven’t been able to find the answer to it. But to take people’s attention to the body, and to realize that, that your system is going to tell you exactly why that’s happening if you let the body speak. So, we learn a language of the body, that if you have a knot in your stomach, it means something different than if you get a lump in your throat, or different than if you have tightness in your chest, I just realized I have an image here that I use when I’m teaching often. That there is this flow of energy comes down through the body hits the earth rises up again gets transmuted for human consumption rises up again. And this energy actually is you. It is an energy that runs through your body it is you descend to the earth, you rise, and you rise as high as you can go and then you cycle back around. And that’s actually what creates the physical body. It’s a byproduct of regular energy flow. And so, if we allow it to ascend with the same purity as it descends, no problems we live in this perfected field and all as well. But most of us are living in a state something like this. So, we rise and there are areas of our consciousness that have developed in areas that are still sleeping. And so, this path of least resistance is what happens. And we rise in this kind of wobbly sort of way. And it causes a distortion in the biofield, it causes a distortion in this flow. And now this individual is looking out through a distorted field. So, we see people that don’t care and lives that don’t have opportunity. And, and we just see in an obstructed manner, because we’re looking through a distorted field. So, what we’re doing with the energy codes is, is working on building circuits here instead of these gaps that we’re circumventing along the way. So, when you have a knot in your stomach, it’s because this energy is hitting right there. And then it has to go around it, et cetera. If you have tightness in your chest, the energy is hitting there, if you have a lump in your throat, the energy is hitting there. And it’s, it’s working its way around. So, if when someone comes into the room, you have a charge against, you know, with something that they’re doing, the reason you have a charge on it is because you haven’t really awakened to all that you are. And so, you’re running on these, these compensatory pathways. And so that is appearing to be a threat, when actually if all of your circuits were animated, and activated, you wouldn’t see it as a threat at all, you would see it completely differently. Same person, same word, same actions, different effect. So, we’re working on, let’s build the circuits. So that we are sitting here in this perfected system that is constantly reinventing itself, and, and so forth. So, the way that we do that is when somebody walks in the room, if you have a charge and affects you in your gut, differently than your throat or in your chest, you squeeze it back, wherever it is, you squeeze it back, you hug it on the inside. And then you continue breathing as in the ways that I’m teaching in the book, or that I teach in the coursework and, and include it in this central channel breath. Meanwhile, you’re anchoring yourself in the body so that you don’t, you know, just become so expansive and airy fairy like you were mentioning earlier that if we don’t root and we don’t ground, then we, if we expand, then we have our tongue functioning. So, the majority of the interest is on let’s ground, let’s integrate, let’s embody. And now let’s find where these gaps are in our awareness that we could flood the energy to bring our consciousness into and start breathing it awake, because what happens is the layers of consciousness that comprise the levels of the body, the chakra system, etc., are there just waiting to be animated, but perhaps we’re not aware that we haven’t animated them. So, the body is constantly trying to tell the mind where we’re living in wherever not, if it’s stiff, we’re not living in there. If it’s in pain, we’re not living in there. If it is, you know, creating these reactive areas when circumstances happen in our lives. Again, these are areas that have not yet become animated inside of the system of wholeness that we are. So instead of getting up into our heads and asking the story, to provide answers, we take our attention to the body and let the body tell the mind, here’s why. Here’s why you have a reaction to that. It’s because your power center is not even animated, you’re not even active there, you’re circumventing that every chance you get because of a pattern, a pathway that was established early on in your life, you went to the bus stop, you created conversations that would bring people into your life to challenge that. So that you ultimately would find that you really need to do some work right here. How do you know because you got this knot in your stomach all the time? So, so it teaches you how to deal with what you’re feeling in the body, instead of trying to heal issues in the body, you’re realizing that the body has just been trying to tell the mind all along, where we needed to work with our consciousness as a team more readily, more consistently, sooner. And so, it allows us to begin doing that entrusting that the body is just revealing a language of the soul that the mind alone couldn’t interpret. So, I approach it like the soul speaks to the body and the body speaks to the mind. And if we would, in the mind doesn’t listen, the minds busy writing stories. So, if we just direct the mind to the body, now we can start to learn at the mind level, the level of the mind, this this language of the soul, which will allow mind and body and breath to, to integrate into this soulful self and live the life that we’re seeking to live

Rick Archer: That’s great. Let me hit you with about four short questions and have you answer them all at once. So, let’s say a person had been doing learn the energy code, they’ve been doing it for about a year. What does their daily routine look like? And what kind of benefit would you expect the average person to have achieved in your experience? And also, what is your retention rate? How many people and related to that? Do most people say yeah, I can do this, or Some people say it’s too difficult, it’s too complicated, things like that?

Sue Morter: Beautiful. So, a regular routine is somebody is walking around, they’ve learned how to have one eye on the inside and one eye on the path, that they’re constantly listening to the, the activations that the body is generating, and they’re constantly working with, with flowing and energy through those areas. And they’re finding a greater relief in, in their lives from a mental and emotional standpoint. So, anxiety and a greater sense of wellbeing, physical things heal, I healed migraine headaches, and a scoliosis in my, in my system, which is what got my attention to the degree that I started working with patients even more so with it and clients and, and so

Rick Archer: That was really interesting about your scoliosis, you’d wake up in the middle of the night, your body would be contorted into some strange position, but it was like your body was actually readjusting itself though, it was cool.

Sue Morter: When my mind was asleep and out of the way, the body’s starting to unwind and, and heal. And so, people who are working and walking with this, with these techniques, are finding similar things, I get reports often that, that they’re waking up in the middle of the night, there’s nighttime yoga, I think is has referenced in in the book, that they’re in these different, different contortions, because they’re breathing in this central channel. I’ve several students that have been working with this now for 7, 8, 9 years, 10 years, that are, that are reporting all kinds of things, changing relationships changing, their, their ability to ask for what they want, and need, their ability to realize that they don’t need the outer world to deliver these things, but that they have it, finding this abundance within finding a greater appreciation for who they are in the world and having confidence to speak their truths and, and to be out in the world in a way that that they were feeling, you know, confined from or separate from. And in so many beautiful ways, I was just reading some cards this morning, just tears in my eyes, just reading what’s happening in people’s lives that that have just come in just since the pandemic and what they’re experiencing and being so grateful for finding ways to deal with this just by grounding and integrating in these ways. So, I don’t know, let’s see, what was the other question? So, what’s Yeah, so

Rick Archer: whether it’s easy for people, what kind of benefits they typically would experience after a year, what and what your attrition rate is, if you know,

Sue Morter: Yeah, so, you know, I’m finding that initially, people, people are very attracted to the ideas and like things like the bus stop conversation and the other principles that I’m bringing in and learning how to breathe in the belly and central channel breathing. And then learning simple things like this Mula Bandha, which is locking ourselves in at the root of the spine, and in anchoring in the backside of the heart chakra. And that they’re, they’re immediately feeling a greater sense of self, and presence. They feel that immediately. And then they begin to, to realize that they can apply it in all these different life situations, where they’re, they’re not reacting emotionally, but they’re, they’re knowing the practices that they can do in an instant. And one of the things I love about it, and that people report that they love about it, is that the energy codes don’t require you to, to sit and do practices for an hour a day, or half an hour a day. They’re meant to do while you’re living your life, that that they’re meant for that because life is showing you where and how and which ones to implement at any given moment, because I developed them while I was living my life. While I was trying to learn to get back out into the world with this higher state of consciousness and this newfound vibration. It was embodiment that allowed me to do that. So, I’ve just kind of retro engineered it. And I’m teaching people how to expand their consciousness, in the same way that I took this expansive consciousness and climbed into my body, we can open those same doorways to come up and out in a more expansive way. But always remaining tethered, you know, in the physical world, so that these expanded, you know, realms can benefit us while we’re here in this life. So, so people stick they stay, they love it. And, and sometimes people come back that thought that it was too complicated or that they couldn’t, it really isn’t complicated once they start doing these four anchor points and central channel breathing. It’s home free. And so, it’s just about finding yourself living inside this elevator shaft inside the body. And oftentimes, people who haven’t been meditating or haven’t been doing breath work or that type of thing, think know, wow, what, but then it lands for them and they get it. And the moment that that happens, they’re living in a different world. So

Rick Archer: Could people learn it entirely from the book or is it kind of necessary to have a seminar of some kind?

Sue Morter: You know, I wanted to write the book that it was self-contained, that it definitely doesn’t hold everything that I teach in the seminars by far. For instance, I teach about chakras one through seven in the book. And in the courses, I go to eight, 9, 10 11, and 12. And I start talking about concepts that I felt were too much to put in an introductory book, I’ll write another book that carries more of that content. But I had to know that this foundational information was out there in this book form that people could read and follow it from cover to cover and have a self-contained body of work that would be full and complete in its own way. I didn’t want to just write a teaser to make people do something else. So, somebody could read this book and, and have a treasure trove of information that will serve them for their lifetime. And if they want to know more, and they get inspired, and, and are enthusiastic about it, there is a lot of coursework that is available that has all invented itself. I didn’t sit down and say, I want to teach six different levels of coursework. And I’m going to teach this and this and this and this, and the first one, and then this and this, it just, I taught the first one. And people were like, we want to do this again. So, we did it again. And I taught it again. And then they were like, well, what else do you know? And so, I was like, okay, let’s have a level two. And then we talked level two, and they’re like, okay, what’s next, and then it became, you know, so, so creatively level three, and it just birthed itself that way, just totally as supply and demand, what people wanted to know, and what I felt was beneficial. And what I was finding was helping my patients change their lives. So, so it is it there is the book is self-contained, and there is so much more if it is a path and a way of living that somebody wants to know how to implement and activate in in additional ways that is certainly available as well.

Rick Archer: So how long have you been teaching it now?

Sue Morter: About 15 years?

Rick Archer: Wow, that and the book was a best seller in various ways. So, you have any idea how many people have learned it?

Sue Morter: I don’t, I don’t, I know that we’ve exposed it to probably I think that we’ve added it up that because I also now teach people to teach the work. And so, we’re estimating and our facilitators and our practitioners that are out there, that that we’ve taught probably close to about a million people that have actually learned the work itself. And, you know, we’re just getting started as far as exposing and really, really wanting to ground humanity. Because these are times that this work was built for, I know that that’s why this awakening happened with me when it did and that I’m here at this time and, you know, doing my thing. That it’s it is, it feels like it’s time is right now. Like, I feel like I’ve waited my whole life to not that I was waiting, but that right now is what it’s for. And, and it’s so accessible and understandable and, and in so easily integrated by people now. Things that I used to have to explain for 45 minutes, you know, in four minutes, people are like, got it. It’s like, Awesome, let’s go to what’s next. So, what I’m finding, even since the pandemic and teaching these courses online, is that I’m rolling information forward and able to share with them faster, because this collective is like, we’re on it, we’re ready. So, I’m guessing that’s great.

Rick Archer: Nice. Well, as I said in the beginning, you know, it’s one thing to have a spiritual awakening, but, and a lot of people have them, but it’s another thing to be able to translate it into something that can help others have one or help others, you know, grow in certain ways. So, you obviously, as you said, we’re kind of destined for this or made for this. And obviously it comes naturally to you. And I think it’s great.

Sue Morter: It’s my greatest joy. And I have to say that this interview has been absolutely blissful for me now. Thank you. It’s probably one of the best interviews I’ve ever had. So, thanks.

Rick Archer: Thanks. Feeling pretty blissful myself.

Sue Morter: So, it’s, I’ve always said it’s relative to the quality of the questions and who’s interviewing you like what you get to share. And, and so thank you very much for who you are, what you’re doing and, and how you are serving humanity.

Rick Archer: Oh, you’re welcome. Thank you. Maybe we’ll do another one when you’re on level 20 or something.

Sue Morter: Oh, I’d like that.

Rick Archer: So, let me just show your website, I’m showing your website on the screen right now. It’s Right?

Sue Morter: Yes.

Rick Archer: So, people know what to do. They can just go there and hop over to your website and see what you have to offer. I’m sure you have some Email list. Listen, there’s various I noticed there’s a free meditation there. And so, people will just explore that if they’re interested.

Sue Morter: Thank you so much. It’s been my great pleasure.

Rick Archer: And let me just say that next week I’ll be interviewing David Lorimer. And David has had a distinguished career. And among other things, he’s the head of something called the Galileo commission. And it’s named that because Galileo couldn’t get the church authorities to look through his telescope to see the rings of Saturn or whatever, which coincidentally are actually showing on my screen right now. That’s an interesting thing. I have these all these outer space pictures that just rotate on my as my desktop picture, and there’s the rings of Saturn. But in any case, you know, he couldn’t get them look at it. So they went, they put them under house arrest and threatened to torture him and all this stuff, because he was suggesting that the sun was the center of the solar system and not the earth. And that was heresy. So, there’s a sort of a materialist paradigm that dominates science these days, and scientists are many of them are quite threatened by the notion that consciousness may be fundamental, and not merely some epiphenomenon of brain functioning. So, the Galileo foundation talks about this stuff. It has all kinds of seminars and courses and whatnot. This year, I think is very interesting. So that’ll be next week,

Sue Morter: Indeed. Sounds fantastic.

Rick Archer: Oops Saturn’s gone. I’m looking at some nebulae. All right. Well, thanks Sue.

Sue Morter: Absolutely. My pleasure. Thank you so much.

Rick Archer: You’re welcome. Talk to you later.

Sue Morter: Okay.