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Paul Selig Interview

Rick Archer: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of interviews with spiritually Awakening people. I’ve conducted hundreds of them now and if this is new to you and you’d like to watch previous ones, please go to batgap.com and check out the past interviews menu where you’ll see all the previous ones archived in various ways. This show is made possible by the support of appreciative listeners and viewers and so if you appreciate it and feel like supporting it in any amount, go to the any page on the website where you see a Pay Pal button. My guest today is Paul Selleck. Paul is considered to be one of the most one of the foremost spiritual channels working today. In his breakthrough works of channeled literature including I am the word and the Book of Truth. He has recorded an extraordinary program for personal and planetary evolution as humankind awakens to its own divine nature. Paul was born in New York City and received his master’s degree from Yale and experience a spiritual experience in 1987 left him clairvoyant as a way to gain a context for what he was experiencing beginning to experience he studied a form of energy healing and began to hear for his clients, described as a medium for the living. Paul’s abilities have been featured on ABC News Nightline, Fox News, A Biography Channel, the unexplained games, TVs beyond belief and the documentary film Paul on the word. Paul offers channeled workshops internationally, he serves on the faculty of the Omega Institute, the Kripalu Center and the Esalen Institute, also noted playwright and educator. He served on the faculty of NYU for over 25 years. He directed the MFA in creative writing program at Goddard college for many years. And he now serves on the College’s Board of Trustees lives in New York City where he maintains a private practice as intuitive and conducts frequent live stream web seminars. That sound familiar, Paul? Yep. So thank you for doing this. Paul, I thought it might be useful to kind of start with the ABCs probably most of the people in my audience have heard of channeling or, you know, tuned into it, watch some channels and all but let’s presume that a few of them haven’t, and for their benefit, and also for your particular definition of it, why don’t you define channeling for us?

Paul Selig: Well, I mean, when I’m channeling, I’m taking dictation I’m hearing clairaudient Lee information from another source. And I’m actually relaying it, as I hear it, I make the distinction between channeling, which I feel is really direct transmission and dictation from say, inspired work where you’re sort of inspired by spirit, and then you do something with it, which is what most artists do, I say that I’m a radio. So as a radio, I’m taking a broadcast, and I’m relaying the broadcast. I work with guides, and they’re, they’ve now dictated, you know, six books through me. And the books require no editing, I mean, it’s the verbal trance, the transcriptions of the oral dictations become the books. So that’s my job. And then when I work as a psychic or as an intuitive, I’m the radio that’s tuning in to you and I’m hearing your broadcast. So I look at channeling in a very distinct way as sort of taking dictation it’s it’s stenography and really not that much more.

Rick Archer: So when you’re doing it either as a channel or as a psychic. And you get this dictation or, or the messengers of these thoughts. Is it kind of very similar to your ordinary thoughts, except it’s stuff that you wouldn’t ordinarily think that you’re just that’s just kind of coming to you and so you know, that it’s not from you, it’s from them.

Paul Selig: i This is sort of how it happens for me I before I work, I kind of imagine that I’m climbing into the backseat of the car, and I’m turning the wheel over to the guide that I work with the guides it’s collective, and I’ll hear one phrase repeated incessantly. And it may not mean anything to me I’m an I may hear, they all need to know are you all come and decide and whatever it is, I just finally I have to give birth give voice to that one phrase once I speak the one phrase, everything tumbles out right on top of it. I don’t stop until they say at the end stop now please, or they’ve been known to say, you know, period period period when the end of their point. So all I’m really doing is keeping up with the dictation. There’s a cadence and a language choice. That’s quite different from my own the sentence structure is different than my own. And I recognize it at this point, and I’m familiar with it, which is why I trust it. But I mean, I’ve never called anybody, my fellows in my life. And the guy will say, you and your fellows, you know, it’s just not my stuff. That’s not how I, I would use the word in a sentence myself.

Rick Archer: Yeah. And you know, a fair amount about words and sentences, having taught creative writing and been a playwright. Yeah. So you alluded to some experience in 1987, or something that, what was that?

Paul Selig: Well, I mean, it’s, it’s, you know, I’m almost at this point uncomfortable with that story only because I’m not so fond of my own narrative at this point. And I have to live through this bio, that people send out about me, and I kind of don’t relate to it much anymore. But the story is, I was it was 1987, I was about maybe a year out of graduate school. I about four months before I hit a real wall. I mean, I had a list of things I thought I had to do in the world, that would make me okay, and I got the whole list and I wasn’t okay. And I was bottoming out in a hotel in Minneapolis, where I was working on an opera. And I heard a voice telling me to get my act together. I started praying in that hotel. Three days later, I heard for the first time in my life. Three days later, I heard a voice to getting my act together, I did what they said. And then I heard there was this thing happening a few months later called the Harmonic Convergence. It was 1987. And, you know, I had been raised an atheist. So I was hearing people say, oh, there’s this thing happening, and people are going to be waking up. And I had just come from a place of thinking there was no such thing as a universal power of God, or whatever you want to call it, to perhaps thinking that there was, which was radical enough. And then I thought, well, if there is this thing, and people are going to be waking up, why would it say no, you know, why would not want you to wake up. So I went up to the roof of this building that I was living in the night before this, suppose it celestial event. And I asked to be woken up in somebody’s head, and I tried to teach myself how to meditate for the first time, that was what I did up in the room. Somebody given me a crystal, and somebody gave me a Mantra, and I thought you needed the props and the mantras to do this. So I sat there. And I ended up having an experience of energy. And I don’t really know what happened. And to this day, I say, I may have been hyperventilating, I really don’t know. But it was an experience of energy moving from the base of my being up, up, up, up and out through the top of my head. And it kind of left me sort of frozen and rocking. And my mouth was frozen. And I wasn’t here and I was just swaying in this energy. And I, I feel in retrospect, that given where I came from, I needed something that was somewhat palpable for me to trust. Yeah, I think it was helpful for me to have something that I could know. And I started seeing little lights around people after that, I don’t know if it’s tied to the event or not. But suddenly there were these fireflies going off around people. And so you know, I’d, I’d heard something clairaudient Lee, I had felt something which is clear sentience. And I was sitting was the light show. And my life changed. only way I can say it, it was enough proof to keep me going. And 30 years later, I’m still here and still with the work.

Rick Archer: That’s cool. There’s an Indian saying that for the wise only an indication is needed. So I think some of us need more of like a two by four cross.

Paul Selig: I did. I did. I mean I you know, people said it sounded like a spontaneous Kundalini awakening or Shakti power. I mean, all these things are my favorite definition. Somebody said, It sounds like a soul awakening. And I liked that. Because, in retrospect, that’s kind of what it felt like, like I was, I was being, you know, acknowledged in some other way beyond what I had known thus far. It was helpful, it was helpful. That’s all I know.

Rick Archer: You know, having interviewed so many people, I’ve heard so many stories and so many in so many cases, it almost seems like someone has been blessed by some higher beings or higher power or something. They weren’t looking for this. They weren’t anticipating this in particular, but something happens kind of like Paul on the road to Damascus, you know, they’re just kind of bopping along on the on the donkey and all of a sudden, this huge thing happens to them and in retrospect, they feel like it was a blessing from God or blessing from angels or some higher, higher beings or higher so Our system? I mean, do you get that feeling yourself? Now looking back?

Paul Selig: I don’t know what to think of it to be honest with you, I know that I, when I look back at that time in my life, it was a real uprooting, I mean, I, you know, was letting go of an identity that I was very attached to, without knowing that I was doing it. And I was not suddenly not taking drugs or drinking or doing any of those things anymore. And I was suddenly believed that there might be this thing called God, because I started praying, and I heard a voice, it was weird. So I don’t know where to place it, I place it in the context of a series of things that happened in a somewhat brief period of time. That led me to what I do now, I, I don’t know if I was blessed or tapped by something else. Or if I was just, truthfully, at a place of such willingness, I gotta say, I went up to the roof, believing that such a thing could actually happen. And that’s a kind of innocence that I don’t know if I’ve ever had again, but I believe it could. And now, every other week, you hear some cosmic event, and there’s some portal opening up and I just Okay, okay, maybe. So I try not to be cynical about it. But at that time, and at that moment, in my personal history or narrative, I was really ready and was like somebody, you know, burned a hole in the map that I had been on, and suddenly I was elsewhere. experience of being alive. And that hasn’t changed. Truthfully, it’s not been graceful. But that hasn’t changed.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I mean, it’s it hasn’t been graceful. Did you sort of have to be dragged into it kicking and screaming? Or did your innocence kind of continue along, and you acquiesced fairly readily?

Paul Selig: I think I was fortunate in that. In my case, I was brought up with no religious training, you know, I had maybe a half a year or something in like, fifth or sixth grade when I had some nuns in school, and I was taken out promptly. But I, you know, that was an upper west side, New York school. It wasn’t, there was nothing really terribly religious happening. But I recall. So I didn’t know this stuff. But I wasn’t prejudiced. I was also, you know, coming awake at a time of tremendous drama. I mean, I was suddenly back in New York after three years in school in New Haven in the midst of the AIDS epidemic, where half the people I knew were dying. And it was an extraordinary experience and a terrifying one in many ways. And so what I did, you know, first of all, people sent me to an energy healer, because suddenly Paul was seeing lights around people and believing in God and I’d had platinum blonde Billy Idol hair that I’d gotten rid of. And I was like, oh, boy, what are we going to do with this guy? This makes no sense. I was this rock and roll playwright. But I went to this energy healer, who I later got the courage to say, can I study this? I thought only and this was back in the day before everybody in their brother was a Reiki Master. This was 30 years ago, and there was this. I studied with this woman. And I was volunteering at the Center for people who were living with life challenging illness. And that’s when my clairaudience kicked in. When I had my hands on people, I started to hear things for them. If I had my head in your chest, and I heard the name Abby, I learned to say, Who’s Abby, and you might say, my sister, my mother, my wife, my cat. And as that kept getting confirmed, I began to trust it. But it the the innocence that I had was, was challenged by this reality that I was living in, which was was not easy. I was very poor. And I couldn’t write for some reason. You know, I’ve been prolific when I was a rock’n’roll playwright. And here, I was now going, I don’t know how to do this anymore. And I was having to sort of learn just on a human level, how to take care of myself after a life of having been a student, and not knowing how to do that. I mean, I was so grandiose when I was a kid, that I never learned to drive because I assumed somebody would be driving me. That’s fairly delusional. Yeah. Somebody said, I’m an Indian versus Sky. My friend Russ Hudson recently said you’re an Enneagram I think I’m a fool I’m a bribe or something like that. Anyway, it’s it’s part of my type, I guess, if you believe in those things. So anyway, I I was challenged by my entirety of experience, but I kept with this stuff. And it continued to develop and I was working very, very quietly for years. I had a group that met in my apartment for 18 years while I was going off to teach at NYU and running this grant program offered daughter you know, that was what I did for myself

Rick Archer: as the develop quietly like that, because a lot of people have some kind of spiritual breakthrough. And they’ve just put up a shingle right away, you know, I want to teach, and you kind of went through an apprenticeship, you could say, for 18 years. Yeah,

Paul Selig: I was told, you know, it’s funny, I was told by, I met some woman. And when I was 30 years old, in in Provincetown, she grabbed my palm, and she said, you’ve got a whole other career at around age 48. And you’ve got a second lifeline, and I do a second lifeline. So you gotta follow this other path. And this other person who I met around that time said, you know, this work that you’re doing now is going to become public, but not until you’re around 4850 years old. She said, You’ve been veiled for your own protection. And at the time, I was sort of peeved about that, because I thought, Well, why not do this, but I wouldn’t have been able to handle it. I know it, you know, I care far too much about what other people thought of me. And I and I had an ego and I probably looking back at that time had an investment in being special, that I don’t have in the same way anymore. I don’t think I’m special. And I think that’s a terrible trap that people fall into in this work. So yeah, it was, I was on a slow burn for a very long time. And only when the guides began dictating books, did I come out of the closet and leave my arrived?

Rick Archer: I find that very interesting, because you know, someone used the term premature ejaculation, that a lot of times, you know, people have some kind of awakening, and they and they just want to start teaching, as I said earlier, and it proved to be difficult, very difficult for them, in some cases, leads to a serious downfall. And I know in some of the more ancient traditions, that once you have some kind of awakening, you don’t just rush out and teach you, you percolate for a decade or something until you’re deemed, you know, ready to do it.

Paul Selig: Well, I worked in my apartment, you know, I had a little group that met once a week, people would put 10 or 20 bucks in the basket, and we’d sit there and we’d be in the energy. And I did this up until I don’t know, or 2000, or something that’s very recently that the group stopped and we still connect once in a while and meet and do our work. But for me, it was the it was the laboratory for the work and my abilities continued to change as I worked. I didn’t start lecturing and channel until 2008. Around the time I Finally Quit smoking, I was a heavy smoker when that was gone. All of the sudden, my work changed entirely. And, and the work that I do now became became present.

Rick Archer: Yeah. As well as like I heard you say in some interview that the guides sort of said, Okay, Paul, I tend to kick that habit, because we can’t really do any more that way. It’s it’s holding you back or something.

Paul Selig: Yeah, yeah, that’s exactly what happened. I mean, I used to channel and smoke out the window during breaks. You know, it was crazy. But I didn’t care. It was my apartment, I could do what I wanted. And I mean, I went through a small short period in my early 30s, where I started doing public groups and people were coming because the energy was so palpable, and so high. And it was heady for me. Yeah. And then I ended up sort of breaking with my mentors and teachers, and I just didn’t want anything to do with it anymore. The guides that I work with brought through this attunement to this energy that they called the word you know, and I thought that was the craziest thing I’d ever heard. And I, you know, I heard I started hearing and meditation Jerusalem Bible, and I finally went to a bookstore, I said, Is there something called the Jerusalem Bible, and there are there is, and it’s a very beautiful translation from the Aramaic it’s not the V thou King James Version, it was this very simple thing. And I took it home and I said, Okay, now what, and I heard read Jhana aloud. And I did for two nights, I sat there in bed, and I read the thing aloud. And then the next group I did, they said, We’re going to bring through the energy of the word. And they brought through this attunement, which is still the attunement that they’ve used all these years. But I balked at it initially, because my teachers hadn’t taught it to me. I didn’t know what I was doing. It was too far out. And I had gotten very fed up with the new age, you know, as it was at that time. I mean, it was ridiculous. You’d hear things like pretty loopy. It was very loopy and, and there wasn’t tremendous depth. And I decided I wanted to go off and write plays for a little while and have a relationship and I did those things. And x was after 911 I started my group again and I never stopped that’s when everything and everything just it’s just been consistent ever since.

Rick Archer: One more retrospective question and then we’ll move on. Did you have anything in your I know you said you’re kind of raised an atheist. But was there anything in your childhood which presage this sort of development?

Paul Selig: Yeah. A couple of things, but there’s something distinct and I’m still questioning it. But it was I was about five years old, four or five, my brother was in the room, and he was in the crib, and He’s two years younger. So that’s how I date, the room. And the time he was in a little, tiny crib, so he was an infant are fairly small. But there was this, I have a very distinct memory of this being hovering over my bed. And I was watching it from pillow height, my head was to the right, and it was wearing something that was golden Brocade. That’s all I knew it was ornate fabric. That’s all I knew. And it was glowing. And it was speaking to me from above as I was in the bed. And then I remember floating at the top of the ceiling, looking down at my body, having this conversation with this being and not knowing what was being talked about. Which you know, and I remember telling my mother about it. And I assume it may have been my father died when I was five. So that’s probably your father as well. That wasn’t my father. I know what my father looked like it was something else. And so that was important to me. And I always wondered, what was said, I met somebody recently who tuned into it and said, basically what I thought which was, while you agreed to what you’re doing, you made the agreement to what you do at the age of five. There was something else that happened when I was nine, which was a very hard year in my life for many reasons. And I had a dream that I was walking up a strange stone flight of stairs to this garden with this fountain that was like a Coptic know what I would describe a shape like a Coptic cross with pavers around it and all these leaves. And when I was 13, in my family, took a trip through Vermont, and we hit the town of Plainfield, and I started to have Deja Vu and we ended up at Goddard college. My mother was visiting somebody there, and there was the stone flight of stairs and the car and the garden and the pond. And I dreamt about years before. And I never forgot it when I was about 30. I don’t know 3132 33, I got an invitation from Ghana to go teach there. I didn’t I mean, they literally asked me to apply wasn’t looking for work. And I went there, and I was there for many years, I’m actually still on the board. But my work in many ways, I think was catalyzed there. And the woman who first suggested that I write about my clairaudience when I didn’t want to and so I didn’t. And the guides piped in and said, No, we have a book to write. That was all because of Goddard. So I’m terribly grateful to it. They actually allowed me to be a channel and, and be there, which was if you think about academia, that’s rather rare. But I was supported. So that was there. And you know, but those were the experiences, there were precognitive dreams and things like that. But I didn’t think of myself as psychic. And I still am uncomfortable with the term, it’s a little loaded. But I’m able to hear and feel for other people and access information that I shouldn’t be able to get in any other way. And for some reason, I take dictation Well,

Rick Archer: yeah. It’s interesting to you know, the stories you’ve told them the experiences you have in your five and nine. And later on every it’s interesting to look back on one’s life and kind of recognize that there has been some kind of divine orchestration, you know, that organize things in a way that you wouldn’t have been able to, because you just didn’t have the the breadth or depth of understanding. But, you know, it’s kind of more than just random coincidence that this thing happened.

Paul Selig: But when I you know, when I look back at the time, I went to Goddard, and I, you know, as a teacher, and I wasn’t writing, and I had just, I was studying healing, and I was beginning to make this my focus. There was a lot there were years where I didn’t know what the hell happened. You know, how did I get here? What am I doing? It didn’t look like the Wi Fi was supposed to live. And I was quite unhappy. And for some reason, the fact that I was in this place that I had dreamt about when I was nine years old place, this is in a context and it gave me comfort, like I don’t know where I am, but I think I’m where I’m supposed to be, even if it doesn’t make sense to be now. And now. It does make sense to me with them. I’m very grateful for it.

Rick Archer: Yeah. The implication of what you’re saying and the question I just asked is that there are sort of a lot of beings who aren’t in human form, who are hanging out somewhere, and some of them are interceding in human affairs beneficially in most of the stories we hear, and yet it’s interesting because a lot of people who would consider themselves, you know, spiritual path. Not a lot, but many rather discount the whole notion or possibility that there are subtle realms with beings residing in them. They, they think it’s either mythology or fantasy or, or some kind of illusory imagination or something. I don’t think that way. But I’m sure you don’t based upon what you’ve been experiencing over the years, but maybe you could comment a little bit upon the, the idea that there are sort of subtler realms or subtler dimensions, which are not evident to ordinary human sensory experience, but which are nonetheless there. Just as you know, science has told us there are many things which aren’t evident to our sensory experience, but which are there.

Paul Selig: I tend to be fairly practical, I’m not terribly woowoo for somebody who does what I do. So you know, the fact that I was seeing things, I mean, orbs, you know, orbs of light would show up in the room. And these things that were quite real visually, to me, and startling, was important to me. And the fact that, you know, one of the reasons that I actually am able to trust, the channeled information, which has its own life, is that I have this odd ability to step into other people and become them, and then hear them it’s telepathic work or essentially work, but I seem to operate that way. And the fact that that gets proven out again, and again, has helped me to trust the authenticity of the other, it validates it for me, and I’m finding that helpful. Now,

Rick Archer: it makes you more credible to that you have this sort of little bit of a skeptical attitude, I guess you could say, a kind of a show me attitude, a little bit of scientific thing where I want some kind of experiential verification, I’m not just going to accept everything on face face.

Paul Selig: Yeah, I can’t, you know, I mean, I have if the guides that I was working with decided, you know, one of the rules with the books is that they can’t be edited, they can’t be changed, you know, and, you know, occasionally the editor will try to change a phrase and into proper English, and I change it right back to what it was on the recording. Because unless I garbled it in the transmission, which has been known to happen, it has to come out the way it was spoken. That’s the deal. Why was I saying this? So my

Rick Archer: verification and skepticism and stuff? Yeah, but if

Paul Selig: they if the guys were to say something like in a transmission, and by the way, the moon, the moon really is made of green cheese, I would have to say, hey, wait a minute, I would question the teaching. And then they either have to come back and explain it. You know, that’s kind of the deal. Once in a while, they’ll say if I though, say Paul was interrupting, we’ll attend to his question later. And they’ll come back to it. But it’s kind of a deal. Because I don’t want to be party to anything. My net, you know, I didn’t write the book, but my name’s on the cover. And that level, there’s a level of accountability that I feel, and I don’t want to be party to something I don’t claim authorship. But I am at a certain level of collaborator because my consciousness is being used my body, my voice, my vocabulary, even though they seem to extend at times beyond my vocabulary by using words that I know are words, because I’ve heard them, but I don’t know quite what they mean, until I look them up after the after the session. But I have to be an inquiry. And I also think it’s important to understand that when I work, there’s an energy that becomes present that’s palpable, it’s in the books, but when I do workshops, you’ve got 100 People sometimes that have never felt energy, that are feeling it. Yeah. And I think that’s really important, because they may have their own experience of knowing. And if they’re doing that, then they don’t have to defer to me because I don’t want anybody’s authority. It’s a mess. I don’t want it I have no problems with my own, you know?

Rick Archer: Yeah. Good. All right. I think we’ve, I think I’ve asked enough groundwork questions in terms of you know, what is channeling and your background and all that kind of stuff. Now, let’s start talking about what information you actually have. Come has come through you. Yeah, I was thinking of a way of doing it. See, if you like this idea of just you’ve written six books you said of, if we just do a retrospective and say, okay, book one, here’s the main points of that in here with and here’s book to hear the main points of that, obviously, as much or as little detail as would take given the time allowed, but that would give people a really comprehensive overview. You know, everything of your work so far.

Paul Selig: I’ll try. Okay, so the very first book was called I Am the word and it really is the primer and I actually I haven’t done back to it since it was channeled. Really I haven’t gone back and read

Rick Archer: it. I’ve listened to a bunch of it in the last week or so. Yeah. But I

Paul Selig: actually think that the DNA of all of the succeeding books are in I am the word and I didn’t realize that at the time. But they said something really important in the first book, and they say, the Christ in man or humanity is an event that happens. And their definition of Christ, which is very specific, is as the aspect of the Creator, that can be realized in material form, in manifestation. And initially, I thought, Oh, this is conjecture. And this is about a nicer way of being and being more loving to one another. That’s not what they’re teaching at all. I mean, that comes with the territory, they were very clear to say things like, you can’t be the light and hold another in darkness. You know, I mean, their teachings are, are very specific about those things. But I am the word lays out I believe, their agenda for the realization of the Divine and form. And I missed the form part early in the text, because that was too far out for me, the second book, the Book of Love, and

Rick Archer: light of the second book. So just elaborate a little bit more on what you mean by divine in form, like, sure. Like, I suppose Jesus would be a nice example of someone who had really embodied the divine in form.

Paul Selig: It’s a teaching of embodiment, it’s exactly what it is. And I mean, this is what they’re going to now and I’m not as articulate about it as I am, perhaps other things, because the teachings are still coming fast and furious. But what they’ve said is, you know, we’ve been raised to believe that, you know, there’s some, maybe some God up in the clouds, and we’re stuck here in the mud, you know, and they say, Well, here’s the big deal. God is the mud. And it’s also your skin and your breath, and everything you see. So you know, the realization, which means the knowing of the Divine, in form, is what is translating to the kingdom, which they say is the awareness of the Divine that’s inherent in all manifestation, to operate at that level of vibratory accord is an alignment that cannot exclude form. Other than that you’re back in this kind of separation. So it’s easier for me truthfully, and sadly, I’ll say, to know that God or whatever you want to call God is in that tree out the window, than it is in my own overweight body someday, you know, it’s like i This isn’t what I’m supposed to look like with a tree really is. So the realization of a divine inform, to realize, isn’t just to figure out it’s not an intellectual thing realization is knowing. And to know something is to be as it Yeah, I would think. So. The teaching of embodiment has actually been progressive, but it’s oddly somewhat, I’m not going to say it’s masked in the other teachings, they just don’t get to it formally. For a few more books, and this is really where they’re at now. So I have no word is the attunement to the vibration of the word, all the books are attunements in their way to vibration, and there’s an attunement, in I am the word that’s very specific I am Word through my body word I am word, I am Word through my vibration, which means the energetic field word I am word, I am Word through my knowing of myself as word. And they say this is a new claim of identity.

Rick Archer: And then for word here, if we could use a synonym,

Paul Selig: I mean, an esoteric, I think it’s something like monad, you know, we try to also don’t really understand what they say their definition of the word is, is the action of the Creator. That’s the word it’s the action of the Divine, as can be realized.

Rick Archer: So when you’re saying I am word, you’re saying I am the action of the Creator, I am the creator, embodied in this form, is it?

Paul Selig: Yes, but you the real challenge here is not to confuse that with the personality itself. The personality itself isn’t the one that’s claiming this. No, it makes more sense, I think. I mean, there’s a whole there’s like a 50 page chapter that unpacks the word in the first book, and I should probably go back because I could give you a better answer. They’re saying not at all the assets, but they’re saying the answer was fine. So I’ll leave it at that. Okay, good for now, the second book went

Rick Archer: on your on your first book, I went to say, you know how you’re saying a minute ago that it’s a lot easier for me to see God in the tree than in my overweight body or something like that. I find it interesting to us, just as a little tool for remembrance of the Divine that they take the body overweight or not, has about 100 trillion cells, and each, each cell is about as complicated as as Tokyo and is able to repair and replicate itself. Yeah. And as I coordinated with all the other cells, I mean, what an incredible display of intelligence. It’s not just a lump of meat. I mean, there’s this amazing thing going on here. And if you kind of remind yourself of that This gives you goosebumps.

Paul Selig: Yeah. And that’s pretty much what they say as they progress in the teaching. Yeah, you know, the Divine is as every cell in your body, you can’t exclude it. But the realization of God in every cell of your body is a whole other thing. Yeah, it’s a different matter. And that’s, that’s the embodiment that they’re they’re they’re, they’re moving us towards I believe.

Rick Archer: Yeah. And you said earlier that you’re like an instrument like a radio, a radio can pick up radio waves, a rock cannot, you know, even though maybe the rock has made a lot of the same elements as a radio. So you know, we’re arranged in such a way as to be effective receptors of this.

Paul Selig: Yeah, we are. And you can usually feel the attunement when you work with it, which is the nice thing. Yeah. So there are tuning the physical self, the vibrational field. And then they’re beginning to work on identity, which is whatever replacement of the emphasis on who, so as who has personality versus who, that’s my word versus not theirs, as what they would call the true self, or the divine self, or the eternal self, or the Christ itself. I use all these different phrases to describe, good, the second book to do that. Now, second book. I don’t have much to say about the second book, I was in a terrible mood when I channeled it, I didn’t, you know, it’s a lot of people. It’s their favorite book of the bunch. It’s really thick. It’s 500 pages, unless you’re in a terrible mood, well, no, I just gotten dumped. I didn’t you tell this story, I had just gotten just a relationship had just ended. And I had had an appointment with this woman, Victoria Nelson, who was on the phone for the first number of books, there has to be an active listener. Now the books are dictated in front of students, the whole last book, and chunks of the books before were delivered before audiences. You know, there’s there’s a record of it all now. But Victoria, and I had had a date to talk about the second book. And I tried to get out of it, and she wouldn’t let me. And she said, let’s just get on the phone and put the recorder on and see what they want to say that when they want to start. And so I did it. And they started that day, here we go. And they started dictating the introduction. And they didn’t stop until it was done. And those days, I used to dictate pretty much every day until the thing was done. So I had to go teach a class. And now it’s a little easier I do them in workshops, I show up for the workshop, I sit down and I say okay, chapter one, then they just do it, you know, they, it’s easier.

Rick Archer: Two birds with one stone. Yeah.

Paul Selig: But that that book, in some ways seems to be a textbook, you know, I mean, a manual on how to begin to operate at the higher level, that’s the best way that I can describe it.

Rick Archer: So if someone were to read it, they would be able to extract from it practical steps that would enable them to operate at the higher level.

Paul Selig: I they talk more in that book about opening up to one’s innate abilities to one zone knowing, you know, your true knowing and they go and they talk a lot in general, about the distinction between thinking and knowing. You know, the true self knows the small self thinks there’s nothing wrong with thinking, but you can understand the difference. And they talk, as I recall about how to develop clairaudience, clear sentience, you know how to begin to work with the subtle bodies as part of that teaching. But the larger teaching, which I’m not, you know, truthfully, other than sitting in a recording studio, and doing the audio book, I’ve actually never read it, I dictate it, I typed it, I was so sick of hearing my own voice, by the end of the transcription, that I never wanted to hear it again. Now somebody else transcribes the stuff. And I can go back and read them and learn from them. But at the time, it was challenging. But if it dense teaching, and the sentences I find in that book are almost Henry, James Ian, and their length is long, long paragraphs go on. And it was just, I didn’t know how to punctuate a channel text. I mean, people think these books are written and they’re not they’re spoken. And they just seem as if they’re written because the guides are adept enough to relay structure of a sentence in a way that can be can be moved to the

Rick Archer: page. How many years ago was that book published?

Paul Selig: That I think was channeled in 2009. And probably published a year later, I would think, to maybe 2011, something like that.

Rick Archer: And so it’s been out there in the public for eight years or something. And, you know, you get feedback from people say, Hey, I read this book. And actually, yes, indeed, I’m developing these abilities. It’s working for me.

Paul Selig: I hear things like that. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people I, a lot of people call it their favorite book. And I’ve actually not asked why. I mean, it’s a dense teaching. Yeah. And it may have been that I was not in a great state, not really wanting to channel it, but I showed up anyway, and I’ve learned over the years that how I feel doesn’t make much difference at all. Might have been just what the doctor ordered for me and I think it probably helped You know, the next book,

Rick Archer: let me ask you a question here. Before we go into that, do you, when you do these channeling sessions, either currently or over the years, do you generally feel enlivened and uplifted afterwards? Or do you feel like, Oh, I’m kind of wiped out, and I’ve got to go take a nap.

Paul Selig: When I in the first books, I would I was channeling for a long period of time at once, sometimes two hours in a city, which is impossible. And I felt completely stone when I would get out of the chair, and then I would get a good way, like high and not not high in a good way. I mean, little bleary. I mean, I was like, What the hell just happened. I was you know, it’s not that experience anymore. But I’m, I work a lot now. And I, I’ve been known to channel in workshops for five hours in a day. And I do it frequently. I mean, every weekend, but I do a workshop. And when I go to so when I was at SLM in California, in December, November, December for five weeks, and I channeled every day for 3035 days or something, it was crazy. And sometimes some days for very, very long stretches. So now, the book dictations when the now that they’re doing them in workshops, it’s a very different experience, the workshop, the energy of workshops is very, very high. And I would be there anyway. And I enjoy the channelings for the books and workshops, because I don’t know where they’re gonna go. They’re going to have to build on prior teachings, but it’s all going to be brand new material. And they’re teaching a workshop, there are certain things that I understand that they will often do, they’ll attune people, there are certain talking points that they may get to. But very often after the introduction to the workshop, I don’t know where they’re gonna go. I mean, I never know where they’re gonna go, you can’t know and channel. But the books are exciting because Well, every time I channel it’s like I’m standing on the on a diving board about to jump into a pool. And I don’t know if there’s any water, you know, because I’m sitting in a chair before a roomful of people, and I, they’ve all chosen to be there, they paid money to be there, and I don’t know what’s going to come out of my mouth at all. I’m just there, and then bang, it happens. So that’s extremely exhilarating. The channeling can be joyful. And I can be filled with great love while I’m doing it. And it can be emphatic or dramatic or very thoughtful and very precise. The last two books that were dictated felt completely, as if I was sitting there being recited a book that had already been written by them. It was so carefully spoken. I mean, careful, careful, careful, careful, careful. And that may have been the case with the earlier text, but I don’t know, if I was at that level of alignment of ease, you know, if you watch videos of me channeling because there’s some from the from the earlier days, it’s very, uh, my body’s rocking back and forth. It’s very jerky. It’s a much more fluid transmission now, as I’ve worked, so I can be exhausted at the end of it. But it’s arduous, physically

Rick Archer: arduous for imagine just talking for five hours.

Paul Selig: Yeah, it’s a lot of work. But the energy is not what knocks me out the energy is great.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I can’t imagine. You know, there’d be two things. One is if you got this energy flowing through you, and that, in itself is enlivening and stimulating and enriching. But then if there’s a lot of detritus that is kind of clogging the channel, so to speak, that’s got to be cleared out. And sometimes when accumulated, you know, stuff that’s in us is cleared out, we feel foggy or rough or difficult, you know, it’s unpleasant, sometimes as it’s as it’s clearing.

Paul Selig: Yeah, I think that’s one that’s very true. And when I’m chatting, I mean, I wouldn’t you know, there was a channeling that I mean, I’ve know I’ve learned this over the years, you know, I’ve had some very hard days where I was expected to vent channel after the fact like the day I put my, my dog who was my companion for 12 years down. And then I had to channel that night on a live stream. And the guides came through beautifully, you know, I mean, in a lot of ways, there’s some mechanism in place where I can be having a rough time, and they come through with gray so often address. If there is an issue and I’ve had this happen, I could have just had a disagreement with somebody or I’ve gotten my feelings hurt and I have to go channel and they will talk about, not specifically my history or my issue, but the investment of personality and outcome or whatever it is that they really want to get through, you know, and move us through. So it’s all used, it’s all usable stuff. And the detritus, sure, I mean, so much of The work that they’re teaching is about releasing what is not the true self. But we’ve over identified with or we believe what we think we are at the cost of what we truly are. mean, that’s, that’s so much of what this is about. And I get to experience that as well.

Rick Archer: It’s kind of amusing, sometimes listening to because they charge you like a naughty boy, you know, like, oh, this Paul here, he gives us a bit of a hard time. And He better get to the background now, because we really want to talk to you kind of have this cute relationship with them.

Paul Selig: Well, you know, they, it’s changed a bit. But I mean, not so much when I’m doing a workshop. You know, when I’m channeling a workshop, and you know, say Paul was interrupting or they bill, you know, they, they really can’t ignore it. Or if I want to put my two cents and they’ll say or is or, or if you wish, which is usually a nod to my thought, Yeah, they’ll incorporate it if it’s appropriate. You know, though, they’ll they’ll acknowledge me as, as contributor. But I’m what they started to do in the book in the, in the book of knowing and worth. So that was the third book. fourth book actually was later, they started to anticipate was the Book of Truth. It was late, two books ago, they started anticipating my interruptions before I could interrupt. So it was it’s funny if you look at these things, because they’ll say things like, Now Paul was interrupting, but I was about to, but I hadn’t formulated that thought, yeah. And then they’ll say, imagine I and my fellows are in are having discord. I mean, it’s language I would never choose. But what they’re doing is they’re anticipating the interruption in order to continue their teaching. Without my getting in the way. Yeah, in the third book, the book of knowing and worth, there was one channeling session that I did, it’s midway through the book. And I and Victoria Nelson was in the room, which was she’d always been on the phone. She was in the room, and I was nervous that she was there. And I was, I was in those days, I was channeling on my feet. So I was walking in channeling with a phone, you know, to my ear in front of a group. And her sneaker squeaked on the floor, and I jumped out of my skin. And I was already angry at somebody else. And the guides finally said, and this is in the book, you know, we have to stop and deal with Paul’s anger. And we’ll decide if this is going to be in the text or not. And at the end of the chapter, it’s in the text, the whole thing is in the text. But it was clear to me at that time that they had to sort of rethink the structure of the book, they started doing a lecture on principles as I recall. And then it became about, you know, anchor in a whole other way. And I think it’s a valuable thing in the book. I did read it and I went well, this still makes sense. And it’s supportive. But it doesn’t happen anymore. That way. You know, they’re they’re anticipating the jumps to avoid them. So it’s kind of like, I still don’t know how to drive. I’m in my 50s. I never learned how to drive. But I imagine you

Rick Archer: could afford the chauffeur now.

Paul Selig: I don’t know. I don’t think that’s going to happen in New York. He just happened. So, but the difference is, I think if you’re learning to drive, there’s some rock on the steering wheel, where there’s a second wheel and the driving instructor to take over. Yeah. And take over. And I think that’s kind of what’s happened. If I want to grab the wheel, they know how to get it back now without having to restructure their their text. Yeah.

Rick Archer: If one were to, like, do a PhD thesis on your work and study all your books very carefully. Would they find a lot of redundancy? Or is it just fresh material and fresh material and fresh material rolling out? I mean, I can imagine there’s certainly a point to re emphasizing certain points. But I mean, to me, the thought of sitting on a stage for five hours, much less five books or six books and just dictating fresh material is hard to imagine where I’m coming from,

Paul Selig: I think you’d have to ask the readers. I mean, when I every time I dictate where the texts, you know, some of the stuff is familiar from prior teachings. And I understand that, and some of the stuff isn’t what I think is interesting is the teachings have been extremely consistent. It’s really, I don’t know, I haven’t heard of any time where they contradict a prior teaching and the books I’ve never heard of it. And you know, somebody may find that one day but I haven’t seen it or noticed it or it’s but it has been called to my attention. The teachings are progressive. And I think that’s important their building blocks and I was less aware of that. Really less aware of that until then until the last two. And I saw what they were really going for which was I think their agenda for us is much larger than I assume

Rick Archer: I really do think their agenda is

Paul Selig: realization. It’s embody

Rick Archer: all of humanity. Yeah, this

Paul Selig: is a this isn’t a feel good teaching. This isn’t about how to manifest a better condo, it’s never been that stuff

Rick Archer: for all of humanity being realized would feel pretty good. I think it would, you know, kind of, I don’t know, condos, it would be a better world.

Paul Selig: I think the idea of re identifying who we are, comes at a cost. And the cost is the challenging thing. And it’s why this isn’t necessarily a convenient teaching. Because it’s not ascribing to what my personality thinks he should be, or have or any of those things, necessarily.

Rick Archer: The rich man coming to Jesus and say, I want to follow you. And Jesus says, Okay, give up everything and follow me. And sorry, I can’t do that.

Paul Selig: Yeah, because the guys who I mean, they’ve been, they’ve been doing live streams Lately, they’ve been using the metaphor of the eye of the camel, right? The eye of a needle and the camel. And yeah, it’s the same teaching. But the idea that the things that we attach great importance to that stand in the way will need to be released. And sometimes what does that as a great big shock to the system and a bunk, they’ve used the metaphor of, you know, a jalopy an old convertible, with your suitcases piled on the back, and you hit the bumps, you can just lodging the suitcases as you go. Very often. That’s the process here.

Rick Archer: I’ve often thought about that. And, you know, I’ve been through a lot of it myself. And my friends. Since you know, I’ve been meditating for about 50 years and gone through a lot of stages and levels of degrees of development. But I can always extrapolate from the individual out to the society. And imagine that the entire society may be going through or may soon go through the kinds of changes that individuals go through in their spiritual development. So I wonder if you could speak to that a little better. The guides could speak to that as to what sort of speed bumps will be hit by society as it undergoes the necessary changes? What sort of structures that we’ve all thought to be stable and secure, might end up toppling down as the World Trade Centers did? Metaphorically?

Paul Selig: Oh, I don’t know if I’m gonna channel them today. It can happen if you want or not, whatever. Oh, listen, if I if I if I don’t answer, well, they’ve been known to cut in and pretty much but but I could they have talked about this, the Book of Truth is where they really start talking about external the externalization of this. And what the guides say really is, you know, we’re in we’re in agreement to everything that we say, if we can see it, we’re in agreement to it. And by agreement, they mean vibrational court and we means people the collective Yes. Yeah, we I’m in everybody who’s hearing this as an agreement, what you may disagree with what I say, or who I am, or how I present or any of those things. But everything you see, the guides would say you’re in accord to, which is vibrational accord doesn’t mean like, it doesn’t mean that we create I created the war in Iraq, but I’m in agreement to it and vibration, because the consciousness that I hold, is focusing on that. And the moment something is known, my consciousness is in agreement to it. So it’s a trippy teaching, but they’re talking now about the collective agreements to the whole. And so pretty much they say that the consciousness you see if I can get this right, you’re gonna stick with me, there’s so so so they may step in, actually at all. They’re saying we would like to what he’s really asking. They’re saying what he is really asking is how do you live? Is how do you evolve beyond embarrassing, but beyond the barriers that you’ve erected the agreements you’ve made beyond the agreements you’ve made as collective as a collective without hindering progress that are now hindering progress? And if you’ve seen the manifestations you see are things in fact, are things in fact that have created that you have created anything that’s been created a group, I think they’re saying maybe recreated the hierarchy in a higher octave, but this happens with the cost wheel, but this happens at the cost of the old everything is in resonance. Everything is in resonance. Everything’s right here. Everything that was erected in FIRA serve spear in some way or to serve spear in some way let’s not be renown must now be reknown realized and the way you realized and a new way beyond we’ve chosen thus far beyond what you have chosen thus far the small selfish, the small self will choose what is most often what the small self has known. She knows herself in history. She knows herself through history and is participatory and is participatory reflection in the replica replication of history has not gone away in an ongoing way the true self that you are the true self that you are the aspect is because of the aspect of you that is the true self. because of something I can conceive of something higher, once you realize yourself, once you realize yourself as who you truly are, as who you truly are, and the higher way in the higher way, the creation to attend to the creations you attend to, must conform, and they must conform to the identity you hold on let the kingdom you lift the kingdom into being into being or the awareness of divine or the awareness of the Divine or knowledge, through your own acknowledgement of your own inheritor of your own inherent Divinity cannot be other, it cannot be other periods. So they’re saying period.

Rick Archer: And that makes sense to me. I mean, maybe another way of phrasing it is the everything we see in the world, all of its structures and systems and cultures and political things. Everything else, is just the external manifestation of human consciousness and the quality of human consciousness as it exists in various, you know, individuals, families, communities, countries, and the whole thing. It’s all just an external thing. And if the consciousness is going to change, it changes, then all those external structures are going to change. I think that’s what they’re just saying. And then there’s a kind of a resistance sometimes, for instance, you know, Trump is out there campaigning saying we’re going to keep digging coal. And coal is a completely ridiculous technology compared to the ones that are already blossoming and alternative energies. But you know, there’s a tendency to hang on to the old and resist the new. And I have a feeling that as they said, in wherever that saying came from Star Trek or something, resistance is futile. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if the chain the forces of change are too powerful, to be resisted by even the greatest corporations and as powerful as they may seem,

Paul Selig: I agree. In the very first book, I am the word they said that humanity is at a time of reckoning. And they said, a reckoning is a facing of oneself and all of one’s creations. And this is happening on an individual level, the individual is having to go through this, but the collective is as well. And we’re all participatory to the whole, you know, this, this idea that we’re not as complicit truthfully, to everything that we see, because the consciousness that we have, they say, imprints itself on what we see or supports it. So the example they gave, because I questioned this, and you know, I’m not always their best student, but they said, I think it’s somewhere in the book of mastery, which was the fourth book. I said, so you know, if there’s a book on a table in Paris, I’m in agreement to the book on the table in Paris and consciousness said yes, the moment you know that there’s a book on the table in Paris, your consciousness is actually informing that you see and how you hold anything in your awareness contributes to it. The simple teachings are, you know what your damn dams your back? Yeah, but you bless blesses you. It’s the same idea. And so much of their teaching is about the awareness of the inherent divine in everyone. You know, I know who you are, in truth, I know what you are, in truth, I know how you serve in truth, which is they say, the claim of mastery, or the realization of the Divine that is present and all that can be known and realized and claimed in fullness.

Rick Archer: This is a little bit of a medical fit, metaphysical question, but it just came to mind is something I’ve heard bandied about the apparently Einstein and Rabindranath Tagore had this debate. And one of them I think it was to Gore was saying, Well, if there’s no one perceiving the moon, then the moon doesn’t exist. And I instead said, No, that’s ridiculous. I mean, the moon exists, whether or not anyone is there to perceive it? And my argument would be, well, it’s like, let’s say all of humanity agrees not to look at the moon, we still have tides, you know? So I mean, does does our awareness or perception of the universe actually bring it into being? Or is it there, regardless of whether any is buddies actually perceiving it? If a tree falls in the forest, and there’s no one there to hear it? Does it make a sound?

Paul Selig: But again, I mean, this is what I’m getting right now. It’s there, but it’s existing in multiple octaves. There are different ways of realization. So what they’ve been saying recently is that, you know, we’re used to the keyboard that’s on the piano, you know, which is basically the three dimensional world that we we’ve been playing. And they say, you know, the notes see exists well above what the human ears can can convey. Just keep

Rick Archer: going up an octave and keep going on up.

Paul Selig: Exactly right. And as you lift to the higher octave, your experience of what you’ll see is transformed when they’re teaching the kingdom now, which is one of their teachings and they say the kingdom is the awareness of the divine in all manifestation, what I’ve been understanding about this, which was surprising to me is that your claim of this thing, your awareness of the physical realm in the hierarchy was actually what calls it into being the witness of the Divine, or the fabric of universal force, whatever you want to call it. that’s inherent in everything. Once witness calls that forth. It’s a trippy thing when they started During this, which was in a workshop at the Esalen Institute last summer, they were working with a claim I know what I know who you are, I know what you are and what it means in manifestation. And the claim, I know what you are when people would focus on the physical person before them. And claim I know who you are, I know what you are, the person before them the energetic field, or the person before them would emit these waves back, which was essentially the divine coming back and saying, Yes, so the focus on the divine in material form when claimed actually has they call it the echo or the the echo the Boomerang, the the the resonance of the field, responding back, I mean, it’s trippy as can be, but we could all experience it. So that I think is the beginning of where they’re going now in their teachings, which is really about creation, and how consciousness does manifest. I mean, this is sort of beyond my stuff, you know, I’ve never read, you know, I don’t read anybody’s stuff. I don’t read other channels work. I read half a set book when I was a grad student, and I thought it was great, but I wasn’t into that kind of thing. And I’ve never read any of the new physics and you know, I don’t I just don’t read it. I buy things, and I don’t read them. And I think part of the reason is I’m trying to, or I’m being maintained, to be clear,

Rick Archer: maintain your innocence. And it pretty much are your own ideas in there.

Paul Selig: Yeah, it’s well, it’s not even that I think once something’s in the pot, it can be used. Yeah. You know, people sometimes come to me and they say, Well, tell me about my soul contracts. And like, well, that’s Carolyn mesas work. My guides have never mentioned soul contracts. They’ve never talked about it. But they do talk about agreements we make prior to incarnation. And that may be the same thing. But the idea that once things are in the zeitgeist or in their vocabulary, they’re so isn’t how the ones that I work with seem to work at all they actually say, and I know this is this just made me because I flunked science, when I was in high school. But they say they don’t use the language of science, because the language of science will be dated in 50 years, 100 years. And what they’re teaching is truth. And they say what is true is always true. It’s always been true, it will always be true. So they use different language. They don’t speak about dimensions. Right, electric, they speak about octaves. You know, in resonance. Yeah.

Rick Archer: I mean, I imagine in 50 years, there was there will still be a language of science, but it’ll be as, it’ll be even more different than today’s language than today’s is from 50 years ago, you know, there just be the way I think of exponentially developing.

Paul Selig: Well, if you look at you know, my my, my friend, Mitch Horowitz wrote about this. And it’s an interesting thing. He said, if you look at the, if you look at the language of the occult, you know, if you look at table tapping, if they’re at the rise of spiritualism, that was the time and all that. Well, no table topping was, you know, once for yes, yeah, who didn’t? He was,

Rick Archer: he was trying to bust it or trying to get some verification of it, you know,

Paul Selig: but it was like, once for yes, twice for No, but those were the days of Morse code. Yeah, so that makes sort of sense. You know, my guides talk about dictaphones. For some reason, that’s their language, but you hear other people, you know, their channels, they, I had a download last night, we’re appropriating the language of the times to describe the phenomena that we’re all experiencing.

Rick Archer: If I had your ability, I think I heard you say that you you don’t do this. But I would be so curious. I’d want to know who are you guys? Where do you live? What is it like there? Do you live in houses? Do you eat food? You know, do you have relationships? I mean, how long have you been there? Have you ever been a human being? Are you going to be a human being? I would end up with having all these curious kinds of questions. And I said, that’s why I’m not a channel.

Paul Selig: I don’t know. I’m, I’m cautious about this stuff. I it may be my my caution that prevents them. I mean, they they’ve got they’ve started getting into this territory on occasion. And it surprises me at times what they will answer, you know, I mean, occasionally I’ll be doing an interview and somebody will say something that I’m sure they’re not going to talk about. I said no, we would like to take the question. And then they go on and they do. And this may be about my comfortability. I don’t like names. I am not a good new ager. You know, when I was coming into this stuff. You know, in the 90s I guess the early 90s It would have been you’d hear things like oh, there’s a Archangel Michael channeling in Brooklyn, but you’re really wanna go to the Upper West Side because Gabriel’s they’re really hot one. Gillis, you know, sort of kind of spiritual materialism. And I was uncomfortable when the guides came through with a name and they say if you want to call us something, you can call us this because, again, there’s attached That’s to that. And there’s ego attached to that and narratives and, and I’m not comfortable with it. The only reason I call them the guides is because my axe when my ex found out, I can do this I used to say ask the guides this ask the guides, that’s other, that’s why they’re called the guides, it’s really easy because it was an easy title. And nobody’s complained about it from from their end thus far. So the questions about that you’re asking the only other person who said that’s the first thing I would want to know is Steve Paulson from NPR, it was like, I want to do all these things, you know, and I suspect that they will, there are three more books coming as far as I know, and I assume that they’ll get into some of this stuff, because there is interest. But I do hear that how they operate is very different than what we can imagine and beyond and beyond and no. So I don’t think we can really put this stuff in a box, as we would like to, you know, they’ve been teaching beyond the known since the last book was completed. That’s the book of freedom, it’ll be out in November, they immediately the next workshop started, okay, we’re onto beyond the unknown. And one of the things that they’ve said, which I find interesting about where they’re going, they began talking about the limitations of language itself, as a way to convey information because the language itself is so laden with history. And they said, you know, every time something new appears, you will want to name it. So that and that’s basically our way of controlling, all you need to do is ask its name, ask it what it is interesting, and you’ll have a different relationship to it. Yeah, that’s where they’re going.

Rick Archer: You know, there’s a thing in Sanskrit where it said that the vibratory quality of a word, it matches the vibrant 30 vibratory quality of the object to which it refers. So if you take apple, for instance, whatever the Sanskrit word for that is, the vibratory quality of the very sound that refers to the Apple is parallel to or resonant with the vibratory quality of an actual apples. Now I have a question that’s been in the back of my mind for a little while now, today. And that is that we’re talking about, you know, channeling Archangel Gabriel, or whoever, you know, all this kind of stuff. And, you know, I’ve run into a number of there was a guy in our town, who for quite some time was supposedly channeling somebody like that. And he didn’t strike me as being very genuine. But yet he could sit there and go on and on, and often affecting a foreign accent of some kind. And I’m just wondering if some people might say, well, there’s a level of the mind, which is just more imaginative and creative. And if you can tap into that, it has nothing to do with other beings, you can sit there all day and churn out some kind of information.

Paul Selig: I don’t know, I suppose that’s true. I’m not negating that possibility. I, you know, I’ve been the one to question this, I think the most of anybody that I know, and my biggest problem with what I do is that I’m the one doing it, you know, if you were the channel, I could decide what I think. But you know, as the as the one taking the dictation, it’s a different thing. The one thing that I do know is that no matter how good a vocabulary I have, I don’t think I’m capable of dictating six books that require no editing, I just

Rick Archer: What if there’s a deep level of your own mind, that’s just super creative. I mean, we see this stuff coming out, look at Shakespeare or Beethoven. And, you know, if you look at their personal lives, you might think there’s no way this Turkey’s gonna, you know, come up with those brilliant stuff. And yet they had the ability to tap into something so deep or bring it forth, you know,

Paul Selig: I don’t know. I mean, the only way that I can answer that is that I’m also able to access information that I have no way of knowing, and that’s been proven and filmed, and, and all of those things, and that helps me trust the channeled work. Yeah. And that there’s also an energy that’s palpable, right, that people experience. I mean, there’s phenomena attached to this. I mean, maybe there’s a scientific reason for this. There’s this attunement that the guides often do in workshops where they stand before people, and they sort of witness them and claim them in a new way. And then it’s about moving into CO resonance and vibratory accord. But I’ve been told again and again and again, that my eyes turn bright blue when I’m doing this, and I have you can see them I have hazel eyes, and they’re not, they’re not pale blue eyes. And so when I’m working at that level, there are things that seem to happen. Am I accessing some much wiser part of myself, I suppose. That could be so. But my I don’t I don’t, it doesn’t feel that way. You know, what I what they’ve said is I am connected to them already. And so that there’s already a relationship that sort of predates this work that allows it, so I can be seen as an aspect of them. But do I perceive this? As you know, my higher self? No, I actually don’t.

Rick Archer: Actually, you know, there’s a way of saying yes to both those things, I think, which is that at the deepest level, you know, what we are is so expansive, that it does include all the impulses of intelligence and beings and whatnot, that are orchestrating creation. And so there’s just, you know, it’s yourself, but like you say, it’s your higher self. And so being in touch with the higher self means being in touch with all the, all the fountains of wisdom that emerge from it.

Paul Selig: I know the difference.

Rick Archer: But there’s a difference.

Paul Selig: There is a difference. I mean, I know the difference between when I’m reading for somebody when I’m tuning into somebody, and hearing for them, and then I have to interpret information, or when I’m getting visual information or physical information, you know, and then I have to interpret, I can be sitting with somebody and I can feel a pain in my in my pectoral. And I don’t know whether that’s a tumor or assist, or a bruise. And sometimes I find out that that’s somebody that’s where they have, you know, the biopsy, and it was fine, but I’m still feeling it this interpretation, that’s very different than what I’m channeling, when I’m channeling. I am literally taking dictation. There’s no, the whole point is is that there’s no commentary on it. If there is commentary on it, it comes in my own voice. And they and you know, initially there’s a line in the very first book that confuses people. And this is before I realized I could footnote things effectively. But in the very introduction, they say this is not a book that’s written before, this is not a course in miracles. And people said, Well, are they are they dissing A Course in Miracles? And the fact No, I heard this is not a book that’s been written before. And I piped in in the background, yeah. What about A Course in Miracles? Is it this is not a course and they’re responding to your exact question. And, and now, I would know, to footnote to footnote that, but essentially, all of those things now have been included, as Paul was interrupting. They acknowledge the thought, and then continue on, which is an effective way to work and it solves some some confusion. Okay, good.

Rick Archer: I’ve always wanted to ask that question of a channeler. Let me throw in a few questions now that people have sent in and we might jump around a little bit because I’m sure for people but one, if we are to assume that channeled beings are indeed communicating through certain people, what would their ultimate purpose be? And how would their input be different from earthly teachers? I think they’re referring to this person is referring to, let’s say, enlightened masters, who are still in human bodies, or from or from finding answers within ourself.

Paul Selig: I hear it’s a different methodology. But I also hear that there’s a different purview as we teach. As we teach, we realize they’re saying we realize you we know who you are, we know who you are. And they’re saying and support you and your recognition of this that is our honor. That is our honor as your teacher as your teacher and that’s when you are only investment in you is your own admission is your own realization when fancy we want no dependency upon us or other teachings on us or the teachings we can train ourselves we teach you to know yourselves to be the divine self that have always been that you have always been and create and create from them and I say from that place manifest plays the divine as you the divine as you as a key to freedom is the key to your freedom you look outside yourselves you will look outside yourself you may look to the future you may look to a teacher if you wish but comprehend the teacher but comprehend the teacher as an aspect right now as an aspect of the Divine as well. And then you will lift yourself beyond depends on in or beyond the dependence upon him or her period and their shame period. So I never said that you know, when I hear I whisper the words and repeat and everything

Rick Archer: about that. Yeah, why do you suppose you do it that way as opposed to just thinking the thought and then saying

Paul Selig: I think that would take longer truthfully when I first started very first started and I don’t know maybe this is just maybe it’s just a bad habit, but this is how it works. And it’s I mean it that way. I used to feel as if somebody were pressing their lips against my forehead and in printing the words and my lips would form the words and I would whisper as that happened, and then repeat them and nobody could hear me on the Whisper. So I got used to this as a simple way of being heard.

Rick Archer: And now couldn’t say it out loud the normal volume

Paul Selig: if I CAN I HAVE TO fate to pause. I have to try not to say the words as they come. So the whispers the transmission itself. And so I would have to either when I’ve tried to experiment with this, initially, what I would do would try to raise the volume on the Whisper. And I would end up losing my voice or getting chorus pretty quickly working that was

Rick Archer: also very fast, fast. And

Paul Selig: it’s staccato, fat, right? It’s probably bubblegum like, I’m hearing the thought and whispering the thought the other thought is then coming right on top of it, it’s I’ve started like reading fortune cookies, you know, one after the other after the other. So all I can do is keep up with the phrase

Rick Archer: like Lucille Ball with the chocolates going down the conveyor belt.

Paul Selig: It’s a lot like that. It really is, and God forbid, somebody makes a noise in the room when I’m doing that, because then I panic, because it’s like somebody kicked a phonograph record of a needle skipped, and the guides are fine, they’ll just go right back to where they were, but I’m in a panic, because I don’t recall what I just said, you know, I’m retaining about 30% of the information because I’m so busy. Yeah, the moment. So the few times, and it actually happens more and more recently, so I shouldn’t say that few times. Or I’m traveling without the repetition. It’s it’s very out of control. For me, personally, it feels like you’re being song, you know, it’s a whole other thing. And when I do that, I don’t retain anything. You know what I mean? I’m really

Rick Archer: sort of, out of the picture.

Paul Selig: I’m, it’s, I’m really out of the picture. I’m not a trance channel. I don’t want to be I’ve heard of other people who are just out Edgar Cayce is, right. And that was, that was fine. I am still in inquiry with this. And I kind of want to know who’s coming through when they’re coming through. You know, there’s a lot of radio stations out there people can play. And I don’t think they’re all at a very high level. You know, when I hear people that are channeling, and they’re talking about, oh, who kill Princess die, and then I’m asking what the hell is this about, you know, that’s kind of low level astral stuff, if it’s even coming from from any other source. And I don’t want to be critical. But I do feel that I hold a responsibility here as the channel now when they do come through full force, the energy has often been almost more than I can handle. I mean, it’s huge. There’s recordings of it, there’s a few of them. There was one in a workshop and Mexico, and they started channeling directly, and then they just moved at a certain point to sound. It was just sound that was coming out, I mean, of your vocal cords. Yeah, it was just humming or singing, or it was it was Tony, and now that’s what they’re doing. But they were actually and the energy was palpable. I mean, we’re all sort of so in it. And now they’re working with tone in in very intentional ways. And that’s very, very new, that’s only been going on for a few months. And I’m sort of trying still, to understand what’s happening.

Rick Archer: It must be having a profound effect on you. I mean, having the all this skill, channeling through you all these years. You know, it’s like, well, they got you to stop smoking four packs a day. I mean, I know, people who struggle with that one and unsuccessfully. But,

Paul Selig: you know, I’d like them to get me to lose 50 pounds to that’s going to be my my judgment.

Rick Archer: They’re saying go to the gym.

Paul Selig: No, I mean, I believe me, I don’t I don’t know that it’s I don’t know how it’s gonna happen. It’s my stuff. And maybe they’ll probably tell me on the air, which will be even worse. What I’m ignoring. It has changed my life enormously. And at the moment, you’re catching me and I will say at this moment, I hope it lasts. I’m actually happy. At the moment, yeah, I kind of am

Rick Archer: not the most a lot of the time. Yeah.

Paul Selig: Well, I wasn’t this wasn’t this has not been a graceful journey for me at all. I, two years ago, I left a career I’d had for 25 years. I love teaching college, I was very good at it. And I it wasn’t a lot of ways my spiritual practice was teaching. And I honor it and stuff. And it was a place for me to love. You know, teaching real teaching is an act of love. But I could take credit for what I did as a teacher in a way and and my own writing I could take credit for I don’t feel any sense of achievement. With the channel books. It’s proven. Yeah, it’s not my stuff. I mean, I’m grateful that people are having these wonderful experiences with it and learning through it. I’m uncomfortable with that, too, in a way because I didn’t offer it. I participated in its creation. So I’m having to come to a new relationship with This work that’s very different than what I’ve known prior.

Rick Archer: Well, you know, a lot of spiritual teachers would tell you that it’s not about me, I’m just an instrument of the Divine, you know, is the tool in the hands of something much bigger than me. So don’t look at me as the source of this thing. And I

Paul Selig: would agree with all of them. I would with all of them. But I think channeling is a little bit different, because it really is. Dictation. I know, I was an inspired teacher when I was at IU. And I know what being an inspired teacher

Rick Archer: feels like just a stenographer.

Paul Selig: In some ways, yes. But they’ve recently said that I was now integrating in a way that I would be more present in the work as myself. And that’s something I’m curious about to see what that looks like.

Rick Archer: So I think your experience as a teacher of writing and a playwright and all gives you qualifications that, you know, somebody working in manual labor or something without that kind of education wouldn’t necessarily have so you’ve that’s, it’s a gift that yeah, you bring to it that not everyone could,

Paul Selig: oh, I think I was trained. You know, there was I was thinking about this yesterday, there was a point, God, maybe 10 years ago, when I was teaching that I was repelled by my lecture notes. I didn’t want to I didn’t want them anymore. And every class was about my just opening up. And it was like surfing. And in retrospect, I was prepping for what I do, I was being prepped. When I was a playwright. And I never it never occurred to me, somebody once asked in an interview, what the how being a playwright prepared me for being in traffic. Well, they had nothing to do with each other. And they did in retrospect, but I was I used to, to write to music, and I would put the same piece of music on loop for hours. And what I was doing was inducing traps. And then I would sit there and let it come through. And that was how I wrote for years. Yeah. And the idea of embodying character, and allowing a voice to come through wasn’t foreign from a, what I didn’t know, until, again, I was I was I was reading for somebody, people sort of just show up to want to talk to the guides. And that’s how my practice started. And I was reading for some woman, and she asked about her father, and she gave me his name. And I heard I, my eyes were closed, and I heard her gasp, and I wondered what’s wrong? She said, Oh, my God, you started to look just like him. And that’s when I found out that I could do it again. And again, and again, I could step into people and be I was I was becoming people. It’s a freaky thing. This TV show that I was on a few years ago called the unexplained where they had me just read for people that I had never met. There was a woman who showed up and she was a lovely woman, and you know, and she said, I’m having issues. I said, How can I help you? I’m having issues with my, she said, my husband and my son. That’s the information I had. And I tried to tune into her and she was so frightened. And she was in a stranger’s apartment with a camera crew. So there was reason for her to be nervous. But I went to the kid, I said, Give me your son’s name. And I stepped into the sun, and I so monetized his cerebral palsy. And they had to cut me we started like, Yeah, I mean, the whole thing, had my hands caught up, I lost my hearing. They didn’t know if the boy was deaf, and I didn’t know what I was doing. And I keep I kept saying, you can hear me, you can hear me and she said, I can’t. And I’m thinking what the hell is this? This is a 13 year old, why Can she hear him? And then he kept saying, Get me out of here, get me out of here, get me out of my body. And it turned out the boys never spoken a word in his life. I don’t even know if he’s still with us. It was a heartbreaking thing. But the mother never heard the boy before. But I believe or I hope that she was helped in some way because the kid was aware of the level. And the awareness was something that she had lost faith that you understand. I mean, he was having an experience, not the normal experience. We have, you know, when there was an odd period after that aired, where I was reading for a lot of parents who would call or you know, Skype or whatever with special needs. And it was fascinating because I was able to access the kids in ways that perhaps they weren’t as adept at doing primarily kids with autism, things with that, that weren’t using language and in obvious ways, but can still be connected with an heard.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I think I think I also heard you talking about tuning into somebody who was in a coma or something and they Yeah, I mean, it’s do you find that people in comas are kids with autism are people who externally appear to be quite checked out? In one way or another, actually, on some level are very cogent and coherent and clear. They just can’t To express it,

Paul Selig: I think it depends at what level you move to them on. If I were to tune in to you, I could tune into you with a personality. So I could tune into you in a higher way and hear from you what’s really going on why you’re still afraid of spiders? I don’t think just do something. You know what the causation is things like that I’m able to do in my in my work. But yeah, I seem to be okay. As long as there’s still a body attached. I don’t call myself a spiritual medium. So I’m not the guy to tune into your great uncle on the other side, he may come through, it’s happened when I worked, but only in relationship to something really unresolved, you know, that that’s blocking somebody in their growth? Because my work is specific. Yeah. So the living are easy for me for some reason,

Rick Archer: specialty, we can all do the same thing. Here’s a question from Mary, she asked, I’m wondering if there are any aspects of the teachings that you just can’t get on board with, or if over time, everything has come to be known fully for you now.

Paul Selig: I’m gonna put it this way. There’s a there’s a quote attributed to Helen Schucman, who is the channel for A Course in Miracles. And she said, I don’t believe it, but I know it’s true. And I totally, I’m totally with that one. So there’s nothing that they’ve ever said, that actually rings false. And there’s usually energy that accompanies what they teach. So every time there’s a new attunement, we’re actually able to have an experience of it, and to feel it and to sort of see how we’re being asked to work. And so it’s tangible enough that I can be supported. The stuff that they’re talking about now, around how our consciousness is informing the manifest world is challenging for me personally, and I, I’ve had an odd relationship with the body, most of my life, you know, and they’re talking very much about the Divinity that’s inherent and form. And the realization of that, and the idea here, I suppose, if you’re really want to go, there would be the idea of the Word made flesh. And I am completely challenged by that, you know, it’s not my stuff. But when they break it down, and this is where they’re starting to go, I believe. There’s a logic to it, that I can’t really abandon. They’re talking about the limitations that we’ve all ascribed to culturally about what’s possible. And this whole teaching of beyond the unknown is beyond what we’ve agreed to whatever the metaphor that they’ve been using, at times, seems to be something like, you know, we’re punching holes in this ceiling that we thought was there, to find out that there’s so much more beyond it. But the collective agreement has been to limitation. And who we are now, I will say this, because it’s an easy one, I’ll shut up. The idea, there are things that I do now that are somewhat normal to me, that can be proven out, and shouldn’t be so. But if I can do it, that means they can be done. And I’m really not that special. And there are people that are doing things that I would never probably dream of doing. When I first started healing. This old Irish lady that I studied with, showed me palpably in my body, that there were things possible that I had known could be so and that changed my life experientially, it took one person to say this is so and show it to me, that opened me up to possibilities beyond what I would ever have begun to claim.

Rick Archer: Yeah. You know, one thing I was always fascinated me is the real genuine genius trendsetters, who kind of break like their ice breakers, they they break the ice for all the other ships to follow. Elon Musk, for instance. I mean, he shot a Tesla to Mars the other day. And, you know, in addition to all the other stuff he’s doing, so it’s like, what, who are these people? I mean, they it seems to me, they’re kind of, they probably don’t even realize it, but they’re being guided and energized by some kind of higher consciousness.

Paul Selig: But you know, his mother was my nutritionist for a period of time. She lives in New York City. I know, she still lives in New York, and I don’t think it quite work. But she was, she was quite a formidable lady. And I understand. I don’t know that they were even close. I didn’t know that this was I didn’t even know who he was back in those days. He was probably still in graduate school. So yeah, I think that’s true. You know, I think that, I don’t know. I just feel like my job is to show up for whatever the hell this is. And if people are being helped through this, that’s terrific. You know what I mean, but what my role is or what your role is here, I can’t I have no clue and maybe somebody who hears This 100 years from now, that’s gonna make all the difference. I have no clue. We all have our rules.

Rick Archer: Here’s a question from Shannon in Annapolis, Maryland, I presume, for those who are sensitive to the energy of other people, and find it difficult to feel, or I haven’t read it yet. But Danny said to me, and Phil find it difficult to feel close to family members, friends, and even cohabiting with a partner due to this physical sensitivity. This is a good question. Is there a solution for this dilemma?

Paul Selig: I don’t know. I don’t know that I’m the one to answer this. Let me they’re saying yes, no, you’re just saying know who you are, and stopping and stop being frightened of the manifestations of others. And the fear of what they can do to you, this is still fear. This is still fear in a form and in another forms. So I’m, I’m energetically sensitive, and I don’t like crowds. And you’ll never see me at a rock concert. And my idea of a quiet Hell is a packed loud restaurant, you know, I just don’t want to be there. And when I’m not working, I do tend to, to hibernate a bit. You know, I like my privacy and my peace. And I’m, I’m not looking for the big stuff. But I do know that my responses are my own. I, the one experience that I have, that I can share with us with this person with this question is, you know, when people are pissed off at me, or when they’re talking trash about me, I feel it. And I don’t even remotely mean oh, it’s all remote. Yeah, what is half the time, but it’s literally your hair, the, you know, the that old saying your ears must have been ringing? Yeah, it’s real. But for me, it’s like a fork going into my ear. And it’s usually with a male. It’s the right ear, female left ear is the for the case. And when this first you know, the first time I was interviewed, on on a cable show, I was excited. And I watched it. And the guy who did the interview, had me channeling and him and he broke up all these clips into like three minute YouTube things with these headlines like, you know, watch Paul selling channel on et realities. And there’s this big man rocking back and forth whispering and repeating myself, I was completely crazy. And I know it. And I could feel it. I could feel the staff. And the YouTube comments were coming in. And I was feeling energetically. And I said to the guides, if you want me to do this, why are you letting this happen? And the response was, Well, as long as you care what people think about you, this is going to be an issue was my issue. But I really did have my ear up to the wall with a class I wanted to know. And so when I can on invest in that I don’t have that experience. It still happens. But it hasn’t happened in that way. Because I don’t think I’m attaching at that level enough.

Rick Archer: Yeah, maybe you’re just getting kind of like getting used to it. I mean, imagine being president in United States and all the criticism and everything you get whatever President we’re talking about, hammered all the time. And I think after a while you must get somewhere in Europe. I

Paul Selig: think people that are at that level of visibility, probably have some you’ve got to have some heavy layer of protection. Operating. I’m a bit of an open field right now. And many of us that are empathic are and I think learning how to operate with this is challenging in some ways. There’s no question about that. But it’s also the gift, you know, it’s exciting as well. So learn how to navigate

Rick Archer: it. I have a friend who many years ago was teaching meditation in Louisiana. And one morning he was sitting in his meditation and all these horrible demonic sort of scary things were coming out of me that what is going on? And then later on, you realize that an article just been published in the local papers saying that, you know, he’s doing this, he’s, he’s the devil, and he’s, you know, is doing this demonic thing. And he shouldn’t be in our community and all this stuff. And everybody was reading that and sending out these vibes. Exactly right. Coming to him. That’s it. Yeah. So we got a little sidetracked maybe we’re kind of walking through your book. Oh, we went one and two, we jumped to four, we made it a little bit of three. Let’s pick that up in our remaining time. Wrap up whatever you feel is significant that’s come out all these years?

Paul Selig: Well, I’ll talk about three because that’s an easy one. That’s the book of knowing and worth. And the book of knowing and worth really speaks about our own unwillingness to claim our birthright as a Divine Being to claim our own relationship with the divine. It really is almost essential, I think, for where they want to take us next. The next book was the book of mastery, and that’s the beginning of a trilogy. And the book of mastery in some ways, is the unpacking of the claim. I know who I am, is The true self is the teaching of the true self as who you are. The Book of Truth, in some ways, I think, is the unpacking of the teaching of I know what I am, they’re really beginning to look at manifestation, collective agreement, in this book, the things that we’re all in agreement to, that are operating in limitation and how to begin to move through that. And they speak about the energy of truth as a vibratory field that’s present now. And they say, at the end of the book of mastery, there was this odd thing in a book, and they said, at the end of the book, okay, so if there’s something that’s still not moving, you know, you can write it down on a piece of paper and imagine giving it to us. And I objected to that, because that sounded to me, like magical thinking and an easy out, and maybe they’re trying to get out of a hard question. And their response was no, they said, you know, because, in truth, a lie cannot be held. And we operate in truth. And everything that you’ve written down is not literally our so the teaching of the Book of Truth is really the expounding of that and truth a lie cannot be held. And they really said this. And this was channeled a couple of years ago. Now, I guess, that everything that’s been hidden is coming to the surface to be seen. And we are seeing it, yeah, we’re seeing that. Yeah. And they’re also talking about the structures that we’ve supported, that are based in deceit will not be what they were. And

Rick Archer: that a little bit, because a lot of people would, would be a little pessimistic, since a lot of the structures that you know, we don’t consider highly enlightened, seem to be doing just fine.

Paul Selig: I hear wait and see, you know, on that, but they the word that I hear is reknown, reknown, realized realized reknown, and in a way in a new way, saying everything can be re known and higher octave and the higher octave, and that’s your property. And they’re singing, that’s your opportunity to continue to recreate your fear through your fear or your blame, or your blame or delinquency, or to lift What do you see it was inherent true nature to its inherent true nature, you create these things, you create these things that make us money, they are not being foisted upon you, if you can see them, if you can see them, you can claim them, you can claim them, I know them or know them in a new way, in a new way, or to machine period. So that’s that.

Rick Archer: What about intractable problems, like, for instance, the Arab Israeli conflict, and, you know, various other things like that, that politicians and diplomats have been working on for decades, and seem to be going nowhere? There. If we could jump ahead 30 years, would we find that these things have been resolved? And is there any way of it’s hard to imagine how they’re going to be? I mean, you know, what, I’m where I’m going with this.

Paul Selig: I kind of do. I mean, what I hear I mean, the guides have never really read on a political event. There’s a really interesting channeling that’s up online. That was done in Richmond three days before the last presidential election. Yeah, yeah. It’s a channeling and it was called on great change. And they really did. And I was surprised by the outcome of the election, as many, many people were, but the channeling really sort of talks about what to expect, and it’s been an accurate teaching,

Rick Archer: in terms of this, the outcome of the level

Paul Selig: No, not, not the outcome of the election, and there’s no names but they said, you know, your idea of, you know, your idea of choice is to I’ll have the milk versus the cream and my coffee, and they say what you’re going to be really looking at is what happens when the whole table tips over. It’s a whole other level of of why I’ve changed that’s really coming. So I mean, I haven’t revisited that in a while. But when when you ask the question, the answer I heard was choice Rogers and the things you are all choosing these things, which they’re saying correlate and tractable, if you wish and when he was important, and you reinforce the very thing that you don’t want to do or if you want an intractable situation, continue to confirm it as such. You are participatory, here everyone is everyone is realized virtual. realize the potential the potential for change, the potential for change, that is always the first step. That is always the first step without but without the potential for change who deny the possibility you deny the possible second possibility is already present. That is already present. That’s the first step that’s the first step and claim it is then claim it as so and receive the outcome and receive the outcome. You’re always gonna be that you are always claiming manifestation into manifestation what you expect what you expected of us. Do you know this what what do you expect spec is what you get if you want, where you can have it. If you want war, you can have it, you are the ones who choose this, you are the ones who choose this period of a shake period.

Rick Archer: I mean, I’ve always expected that there’s going to be a huge change in the world. I remember back in the early 80s, I read a book called prophecies and predictions, everyone’s guide to the coming changes. And the woman who wrote it took all the prophecies of all kinds of ancient cultures from around the world and correlated them with events that have already taken place. And then it kind of extrapolated with their further predictions as to when and how things were going to continue to change. But you know, it was early 80s. And even in the 70s, we were talking about this kind of stuff. And now it’s, you know, 40 something years later. So the guys ever give a timeline as to, you know, as to the pace and duration of this transition?

Paul Selig: I mean, I hear it’s happening now, you know, where, what’s happening now? But in terms of do I get a year? No, I don’t, I never, I never have. And this is, this is a generational thing. I mean, what I’ve gotten from them really is, you know, we’re paving the way for what’s to come, right, you’re creating the opening for those who who are coming in, you didn’t know to follow. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, you know, the, the metaphor that they’ve used at times is going through the underbrush with a machete. That’s what we’re doing right now, what we’re doing is we’re clearing a path for those who follow, you know, and it’s, it’s what we choose, as far as I understand,

Rick Archer: that John the Baptist said he was doing for Jesus. Okay, so is there any thing else? I mean, I’m sure there’s, we could talk for hours about all the stuff that’s in your books. But as you scan now, the course of our conversation, and also the course of your writing career, or our stenographer history, is there anything important there that has come out in your books that we haven’t touched upon, in this interview that I’d like to just sort of, say,

Paul Selig: not that I can think of, I mean, the newest book, that’ll be out in November, they’re calling it the book of freedom. And the idea of freedom actually encompasses the idea of being free of, of our attachments to everything that we’ve inherited, which includes our comprehension of time. And, you know, these are all structures that we’re in agreement to when they’re talking about moving beyond those agreements, you know, they say, the true self, or the Divine Self, can know itself in time, but exists beyond it, you know, isn’t bound by the clock and the calendar. And, you know, they’re supporting us, I hope in and coming to that level of comprehension about who we truly are. So I think that’s what they’re doing. I hope so. I mean, I think this is up for the individual to have their own experience with this. Really, you know, I’m not the best. I’m not the best teacher of this, you know, I’m I’m I seem to be an adept. Being in order to take the dictation, but my, my rendering of it or my explanation of it is still limited by, by my, you know, lack of understanding at times I do my sweat the material.

Rick Archer: I heard a great metaphor the other day, I forget who it was it said it, but it was that, you know, they say, well, the microphone never says, Oh, I gave such a great speech. You know, I mean, it’s not the microphone giving the speech. Yeah. It’s just an instrument through which the speech can be given. So and you seem to be quite humble and not, you know, taking personal credit for all this stuff. You’re just you have things in profit, your high quality microphone, here, maybe a Sennheiser or something.

Paul Selig: You know, my own personal requirements are really simple. You know, I want a nice relationship. I want a body that works. And I don’t want to worry, that’s all everything else can can handle itself.

Rick Archer: So it sounds like you’re pretty busy guy, you traveling a lot, giving workshops and everything all over the country all over the world. You want to give people a an idea of the scope of your activities in terms of stuff that they could plug into.

Paul Selig: Sure. I mean, you know, my website just has my name. It’s Paul selling.com as ski LIG there’s a calendar there, but I do. I do a live stream teaching pretty much every Wednesday and it’s really the extension of a group that met my apartment for so many years, which was the laboratory for the work. So the guides are always teaching forward and taking people’s questions. So that’s, you know, Wednesdays eight o’clock Eastern. And we see you know, we send the recording out for people who can’t be there in person, you know, within 24 hours or something, along with a transcript that follows shortly thereafter from you People cannot can’t, can’t abide the whispering and repeating which I can, I can understand. And and I do workshops all over. So I may be, you know, upcoming workshops, I’m going to be in Boulder soon. And Chicago, New York this weekend that workshop will be live streamed, you know, wherever people are, it’s pretty much nonstop two or three times a month I’m on the road. So basically,

Rick Archer: they just have to come to your website. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, we also should just mention that don’t mention this very often. But we have a page on batgap.com called geographic listings, I think it’s a thing where if you type in a location, such as New York, then you begin then you see a listing of everybody I’ve interviewed who was going to do something in New York or, and then it works its way out in a radius. So you might see ethics in New York or something, or, you know, Philadelphia, as you as you go farther down the list. So you know, people might want to check that out sometime. And if you want to register your things in there, I renal send it the information. Thank you. Great. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks, Paul. I’ve enjoyed this. I’ll be putting up a page on BatGap for this interview, as I always do, and people can, you know, they’ll read about you. There’ll be links to your books, there’ll be a link to your website, and so on. And, well, while you’re there, those who are watching this, you know, if you haven’t been to the site before, just check out the various menus and what we have to offer and, you know, sign up for the audio podcast or for email notification of new interviews and, you know, whatever you find of interest there. So, thanks for listening or watching. We had a few technical difficulties today, but it’s because I have a new computer, but I will get those sorted out by the next one, which will be next Thursday. And I appreciate everyone’s attention. Thank you, Paul. Thanks for having me. Sure.