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Mark Pitstick Interview

Rick Archer: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer, who didn’t the gas pump is an ongoing series of conversations with spiritually Awakening people. We’ve done a great many of them now over 500 And if this is new to you, and you’d like to check out previous ones, please go to bat gap comm bat gap and look under the past interviews menu. You see them categorized in several different ways. My guest today is Mark Pitztal ma DC. Welcome, Mark. Thank you. You’re welcome. Mark has over 47 years experience and training in hospitals, pastoral counseling settings, mental health centers and private practice. This training includes a pre medical degree, graduate theology, pastoral counseling studies, Master’s in clinical psychology, and Doctorate in chiropractic health care. He also has provided suicide prevention, counseling and education to many people. Mark became aware of clairaudient experiences at age 10, and has since been blessed with numerous miracles revelatory and spiritually transformative experiences. After working in hospitals with many suffering and dying adults and children, he was motivated to find sensible evidence based answers to the questions that many people ask, who am I? Why am I here? What happens after I die? Will I see my departed loved ones again? Is there a God? If there is one? Why is there so much suffering? And how can I best live during this brief earthly experience? Mark has written a number of books including soul proof, compelling evidence that you are a spiritual, an infinite spiritual being. The 11 questions Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About life, death in the afterlife, and greater reality living integrating the evidence for eternal consciousness into your daily life. With Gary Schwartz PhD. Mark was the executive producer for the soul proof documentary film as for a 93 minute movie featuring interviews with people who had evidentiary experiences, and he also hosted soul illusions. And that a nationally syndicated radio show about practical spirituality, and asked as the sole doctors interviewing top consciousness experts, Mark is certified in past life regression therapy. And we’re almost out of this. He directs the cell phone foundation that supports research and development of technology to communicate with post material or deceased persons. He also assists in the research conducted by Dr. Gary Schwartz and other scientists at the Laboratory for advances in consciousness and help at the University of Arizona. Mark founded greater reality living groups to help prepare people for the great news that life after death, has been definitively demonstrated scientifically, by replicated multicenter studies, his website, he has several websites, but the main one I mentioned here is soul proof, calm. And of course, I’ll link to the mall on his page, that So Mark, I thought we’d start by just kind of sketching over your early life. And, you know, what kind of led you to where you are today. One thing as I read your bio is Kurt, you went from medical school, to theology school to this to that, and as I listen to some of your recordings, I got the impression that, you know, you try something and that and think, Oh, this isn’t ultimately what I’m looking for. There’s something missing here. And so then you try something else. And so you’re kind of a secret heart and not satisfied with sort of conventional status quo. Security in life, but you really wanted to find something deeper.

Mark Pitstick: Exactly. And let me start with the earliest information I have read when I was six years old, my parents were showing me a beautiful sunset. And I told him, it reminded me of God. And they only told me that 20 years later when I was in theology school, now I was brought up Lutheran so it was always God the Father this and that and the big guy in the sky. So they they were puzzled. There was really no reason I would have equated to be have a sense that with the divine, so that was the first suggestion that wasn’t your usual Earthling. Throughout my life, I felt a little alienated. It seemed like I had to work to figure out how to be a good human Don’t wait. Yeah, I was a little kid I was watching a football game, which I love. But I thought, gosh, you know, if we just take 10% of the of the money spent on this silly sport rally to feed the poor and so thoughts like that, yeah, my family would be right.

Rick Archer: Let me just interrupt there I saw Buckminster Fuller speak one time, and for some reason, he brought up the topic of boxing. And he said, people spend so many millions of dollars to watch two men destroy each other’s thinking machines.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, yeah. And by the way, he was one of my early teachers. Critical, critical thinking was a book and I learned so much from ma’am. Little buck here. So my parents and brother and sister would watch sitcoms man with a canned laughter, and it just drove me crazy. So I would go to a room as far away as possible, I just say, go get on the floor and stretch. And then years later discover those were yoga postures. Same way I would lapse into meditative stage really easily, whereas there as bouncing a ball and catching off steps, one time I was doing that I was thinking, and then I looked up, and I was like, it’s dark outside, you know, it’s getting dark, I must been doing this for two hours. So same way with I would be starting to fall asleep. And I would experience my consciousness, I didn’t know about that word at the time, just traveling through space. And no matter how far I went, I would never encounter any walls, bright lights, and so on at first is a little scary, and after a while was very pleasant. So those are some of the things that made me think I was a little different. And but it really came to a head when I was 19. I started working in hospitals as a part time respiratory therapist, and they train gave me training. So I was doing things them by age 20 That only physicians can do now, cardiopulmonary resuscitation, arterial blood gas, punctures, putting the breathing too down to the lungs. And so each shift that usually night shift the ER ICU, I was with one or more dying people. And seeing that especially low children, just drove me to my knees, everything I had believed in, you know, gout was all knowing all love and all caring, like powerful. Like, Well, if that’s true, we have a few problems here. So that’s why then I made the shift at the LBJ School I wanted to find out for myself, what game are we playing here is the idea of an afterlife and a God, just kind of like Easter Bunny and Santa Claus or not?

Rick Archer: Yeah, I remember hearing you say you had started meditating around the age of what was it? 17 or something?

Mark Pitstick: 21 Actually, I saw a, I saw a poster. I went to school in Ohio State undergrad. And here’s this little brown man, you know, saying in this position, and I’d never seen a person from India at that age. Which one was that? That was Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

Rick Archer: Okay, there you go. I was a TM teacher for decades.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. And I saw that, and a voice said, you’re supposed to do that. And it was like $200, which is a king’s ransom when you’re in undergrad. But I did it. And I’ve been meditating in one form ever since. Same way with yoga.

Rick Archer: Yeah. As I was listening to recordings, I remember hearing you say you had a really kind of blow out awakening experience. At one point, I forget how old or when that was, but it was really sort of, you know, profound. You know what I’m talking about?

Mark Pitstick: Probably my own experience. 1997 That was 44. I had been doing some intense Hatha Yoga tab by Swami Satchidananda. So every morning I would get up at five and Dubai and a half of breathing. Pranayama. Asana has postures. Well, this morning, it was the dead of winter in Ohio. All the windows were closed. My wife and two girls were upstairs sleeping. I was working with the monitor home and silently repeating a single candle in front of me. All of a sudden, I heard ohm as if being sung by hundreds of people all around me. I mean, I saw it if I open my eyes expect to see the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, but I don’t think they do that number. And then next so I was I knew that if I broke my state, this could go away so I just stayed with it. Oh, next bright light. You know if you are in a darkened room with just a single candle with your eyes closed pretty much you see the black back of your eyelids. Well now my vision and tunnel vision was filled with the brightest white light, and it was just so wonderful. Next I felt and imaginable love and understanding. Just like anything I’ve ever done thought said, I was understood. I wasn’t condemned or judged at this point in my life. But yeah, it wasn’t totally at that point where I understood all these things that was so powerful that tears start trickling down my cheeks. I keep up with that, you know, cross legged now that next I felt a tingling. We’re kids, we used to get kicked by touching our tongue to a nine volt battery. For five times, that was a tingling throughout my whole bio. And so put all and then finally, the most wonderful fragrance you can imagine. No source for I burned incense like an hour before. And just this indescribable smell, put all that together. I stayed with it for a few minutes. And I just started laughing. Oh, my God, you know, and I couldn’t stand him. I just is laughing. And so you know whether that’s Kundalini rising or seeing the light, but that was definitely a transformative experience for me.

Rick Archer: Hmm. How long have you been meditating with? Oh, no.

Mark Pitstick: Well, ever since age 21. I mean, not every day. But most days. Again, it’s something I lapse into. You know, in the Bible talks, it says pray without ceasing. And in the beginning, I was like, Wow, that sounds like a lot of work. But now I just joyfully do it. Whether I first wake up going to sleep driving, it’s just, I don’t see any separation at all between myself and the source energy.

Rick Archer: Nice. Curious, because, you know, you mentioned Marie, she has to warn people against meditating with him, he said it was a recluse monitor. And if you used it, it would make you more reclusive. You’d start losing relationships, and then your money and things like that. But I don’t know if I’ve ever seen any evidence for that. And I’ve been meditating with a mantra that has almost part of it for the last 20 years before that for about 30 years without in my mantra, and it’s been the most successful period of my life. So I’m just curious whether you notice any kind of deleterious effect in terms of your relative, any tendency to make yourself to become more reclusive or something.

Mark Pitstick: I think I’ve done a good job keeping grounded and centered and, and being what rom das calls an impeccable warrior, and you’re covering all your different callings in life. You know, I was given the way to Beija mantra. Yeah, two different ones. But I reasoned that my goal has always been to reach as many people as possible around the world, and not everyone can afford a few $100 sure to get their special personalized module. And so that’s one reason I stuck with good old.

Rick Archer: Yeah, it’s fine with me. Just curious. Um, uh, I also have a mantra from Mama. And she says that charging for meditation is like a mother charging a per baby for breast milk or something. It should just be.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, I have several dear friends who are devotees. And they yes, they tell me such wonderful stories about her. Yeah,

Rick Archer: I was curious. You mentioned that you’re certified in past life regression therapy. Is that Michael Newton’s certification? Brian Weiss. Very nice. Okay. I’m not as familiar. I’ve read all Michael Newton’s books, but I’m not as familiar with Brian. I heard you mentioned him though.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, I didn’t. At the time, Michael was a guest of mine around the year 2000. And I read all his books. In fact, four times, which I’ve never done with any author. Yeah. But how am I read them? I learned more it just rang so true. So I had an opportunity very early on when he started training other therapists to do the lies between lives training, but I just didn’t felt like I was supposed to do that. At that time. It’s like, you know, I’ve done so many things that it’s time to put this together and apply it more.

Rick Archer: Yeah. One thing I love about this topic that we’re discussing today, and about books like that, and all the various Near Death Experience Books, you know, James Brown, Prague, and Betty, Ed, and Danny and Brinkley and all the rest, is that when you read them and kind of just put your awareness on the whole topic, it almost seems to thin the veil between this side and the other side, so to speak, you know, you just kind of gain this deeper confidence or certainty. That life is a vast continuum. And this life that we’re in is just one little chapter of it. That becomes to be kind of like your de facto mentality after a while and you, you just don’t I mean, that there’s a verse in the Bhagavad Gita. It says, even a little of this Dharma removes great fear. And I think even a little sort of appreciation of the fact that life is a continuum and that we don’t die when the body dies. There must be a deep underlying fear if you think otherwise, you know, if you’re walking around thinking, well, when this miss this meat puppet ends, that’s the end of me. And to have a completely complete reversal of that perspective. My perspective has been reversed was for so long, I can’t remember thinking otherwise. But it must be a tremendous relief for people.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, great point, you’re bringing up a few comments on that, first of all, decades ago, I learned again, from rom das the, the chant got he got a pot, I got a pot assume got a booty Swaha. And I’ve done that for hundreds and hundreds of hours. So I think that’s part of and the translation is go out, in other words, become enlightened, go even further go even further than that. And you realize you’re the Buddha far out. So I think that when that’s a person’s intent and prayer, it happens. And life supplies us with experiences that reinforce that, like you say, after while it’s your setpoint. Dr. Schwartz and are considering creating a some sort of measurement instrument for degrees of certainty of afterlife. Because we have experienced ourselves. I mean, we thought, when we started working together four years ago, we knew as much as we could know that life is eternal. But when we have and I’ll share some of these once we get talking about the soul phone project and research, when we have some of these just mind blowing experience, and you’re like, Oh, my God, that just took me up, you know, three clicks. Yeah, there’s a lot of fun. When

Rick Archer: you say some sort of insert would be something, some psychological tests, like the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or something, that you’d answer a whole bunch of questions, and it would measure your degree of certainty.

Mark Pitstick: Yes, that would be one way.

Rick Archer: Okay. Yeah. One thing that I think is very important is paradigm shift. And the paradigm that governs society for the most part, and the overturning of that paradigm, since the paradigm that I’m alluding to is the materialist one where we think that, you know, consciousness is merely a product of the brain and when the brain dies, consciousness dies. And if if all of modern science and technology are fundamentally based on that paradigm, and thus, all of the technological, well, I want to say science and technology, all everything that impacts our world. No wonder the world so screwed up. You know, I mean, no wonder that so much environmental degradation and so many other problems, economic inequities, and so on. It seems to me that if if we truly underwent a complete up ending of that paradigm to placing consciousness where it belongs at the foundation, everything else would sort of fall into place over time, and it would it would the ripple effect would be huge.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. What’s happening right now. Dr. Schwartz founded the Academy for advances in post materialist science. A couple years ago, they have 250. Now scientists, physicians, and university professors whose working assumptions is that consciousness is primary. So we’re getting there. So not all scientists, disbelieve in the post material possibilities, but as you say, most do.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Yeah. There’s also a thing over in England called the Galileo Project, along similar lines and been set up by a guy named I think it’s David Lorimer. And I’m going to ask you a question a little while written by a friend of mine, Mark Gober, who wrote a book called An end to upside down thinking, dispelling the myth that the brain produces consciousness and the implications for everyday life. He sent me several questions you wanted me to ask you. But anyway, I think that’s very important. I’m curious. Are you guys, you’ve alluded to Gary several times. We haven’t really explained who he is and what you guys do down there in Arizona, but are you guys in any way affiliated with Stuart Hameroff and the people who organize that consciousness conference in Tucson?

Mark Pitstick: Great question. One, which were asked often, Gary knows him since Stuart is a professor there at University of Arizona, but they’ve not worked together on the cell phone project. However, I think they work together earlier on energy healing. Gary’s been at University of Arizona for 32 years.

Rick Archer: Yeah, seriously, there’s so much interest in consciousness in Tucson that some other thing I came across recently with somebody that it also seemed rather academic, and it was this whole other exploration into consciousness. So I don’t know what is it. There’s some peyote in the water down there is something

Mark Pitstick: of it. It’s a cool cat. It’s surrounded on all four sides by mountains. And it’s just incredibly beautiful. It’s an oasis in the desert on Have you been there?

Rick Archer: I have Yeah. Back in. I taught meditation there back in the 70s. It was lovely. Okay.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, you drive down from Phoenix and you’re through the desert, and all of a sudden you see trees and grass and so on. So yeah, yeah, like, that’s my last time there last few years.

Rick Archer: Good. Well, let’s, let’s get into talking about what you’re doing there with Gary Schwartz. Unless there’s anything else you want to cover before we get into that? Nope. Sounds good. All right, let’s get into it. So you just start and I have a bunch of your slides we’re going to be showing as we go along. And, you know, just kind of take it from the top and I’ll probably introduce you with a few questions here and there as we go.

Mark Pitstick: Okay. So first of all, it’s important for your listeners viewers to understand that what you’re about to hear is based on University, firstly, based research. As you know, we live in a time where people think they can say anything with or without any evidence behind it. So we worked really hard to make sure that we have the utmost integrity and ethics behind all this. Dr. Schwartz just wrote a book called The Case for truth with an attorney Alan Bori. And he is finalizing a book called Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which is based on a statement by Dr. Carl Sagan. So want to make that really clear. So the two first mind blowing statements before I talk about Dr. Schwartz’s credentials and so on more about the project are number one, life after death has now been definitively demonstrated scientifically, you understand that a true scientist will never say 100% proved. But Dr. Schwartz has as a scientist 99.9% certainty that afterlife exists. Secondly, that through a series of replicated and these are all controlled replicated, multicenter study, peer review published journal experiments, we have demonstrated early communication with post material persons, which as you said earlier, is our preferred term for the deceased, the departed instead of spirits, because it turns out that those who have passed, the only thing they lose is when you refer to earlier the meat,

Rick Archer: meat puppet or something.

Mark Pitstick: And that’s it as much less than 1% of who, what we are. So that’s the great news. And this communication, by the way, is focused on two areas. First of all, so people can have contact with their, quote, departed loved ones who aren’t really departed. But just adjust is important so that we can build the quality and quality of communication with some post material luminaries, scientists and banners, educators, responsible leaders, etc, who want to help us heal our world. And the ramifications of that are unimaginable in every field for the positive.

Rick Archer: Yeah, and a little bit later, we’ll talk about who some of those luminaries are and how you have been in touch with them, by what means you’re confident that you have actually communicated with them. Okay, so continue mine, I have your slides, presentation loaded here. And I think the next one is a little bit more about Gary Schwartz himself, and who and his credentials, you want to just introduce him a little bit more.

Mark Pitstick: Sure. He was. His dad was a Columbia University trained chemist, Masters chemist. And so he was certainly there was intelligence among his parents, Mama’s school teacher, Gary had two near death experiences when he was a little boy. And my theory is that his control valve, you understand how much of what the central nervous system does is inhibit central input. If we could indeed see and hear everything that’s going on around us. We couldn’t function in any other call God and talks cuz they see too much too fast. of the total reality. At a rate he was a prodigy just about anything you dammy he’s self taught seven instruments and was in really good bands when he’s a teenager. So whatever he went for, he did really well, undergrad and Cornell, Master’s in clinical psych at Harvard, PhD in psychophysiology. At Harvard, Harvard professor tenured Yale professor where he and a couple other Doc’s founded the field of Behavioral Medicine. I mean, that statement, right tears, huge behavioral mess, and that’s a whole giant field. And Gary started it and i He only told me that like two and a half years after we joined forces He said, Yeah, guy just started now let somebody else take it from there. I was interested in some other things. That’s what he does plant seeds. As you mentioned, he’s the director of the Laboratory for advances in consciousness and Health at the University of Arizona. He has written over 450 scientific papers, which is a huge number for any scientist. So point is he’s a, he’s the real deal as far as science. And that’s one reason we can trust what he’s doing. Now, the other thing is about his work is that he has had wonderful team members, sometimes they’re hired experts, sometimes their graduate and postgraduate students from the university by electrical engineers, software specialists, optical physicist, as well as evidential mediums. And we can talk more about that. But mediums have been evaluated and found to be highly evidential, who feed him bits of information from these post material luminary. So he’s, he’s had a wonderful team, put all that together is how he’s been able to achieve what he has.

Rick Archer: Okay, good. And so you guys have been working on something you call the soul phone?

Mark Pitstick: Yes, that’s an overarching term. And in retrospect, we maybe shouldn’t have used it because people keep saying, well, when can I call my loved one she never like. So it was always meant from the beginning to be an umbrella term for four different devices. And if you’re ready to go with those, the first is the sole switch. And that’s why I referred to reviews so far, with these post material persons, a switches like a key on your laptop, for example, you push the L key, that’s a yes. for that. You for the others? It’s a no. And it’s amazing what you can do with just that, yes, no on off communication. Sidebar, when I worked in hospitals, I worked a lot with people who are paralyzed, and the waist down from the neck down. And sometimes the cord injury would be so high, they couldn’t talk, the only thing they could do is blank. And whatever the system was blank once for yes, two for now. So I was very comfortable with the capabilities of binary communication. Now that the electronic or just call it the soul switch was never envisioned as a commercializable device, as some people would want it. You can ask questions, your loved ones get yes or no answers. But what we’re shooting for, for the first commercialized by device is the sole keyboard 40 or so electronics, which is in series, that choice anticipates the first keyboard will be about four foot wide, three foot deep. And but it will allow texting and typing with those living in another dimension.

Rick Archer: Okay, let me let me stop here, because we’re also going to mention soul voice and soul video. And then and we need to probe into this a little bit more than I have yet heard you probe or so you know. So switch, I’ve heard you explain how that works in terms of asking certain questions. And then and then in somehow other people from the other side are able to give some kind of signal that it’s interpreted as either a yes or no. Okay, but a keyboard, where you have 40 different keys. That gets a lot more complicated. So how in the world give us some idea of how that would work?

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. Well, so far the well. Maybe it would help work if we go back to the seven ways that Dr. Schwartz has measured the presence of spirit, because that will give your viewers more of an idea about the qualities of people have passed on their physicality, their light, electromagnetic field, and so on. Sound good? Yeah. We’re going then to slide number 13. So again, these are experiments that Dr. Schwartz has done over the last 11 years, in an attempt to show the presence of spirits show their ability to send signals, and always with the interest in producing a commercializable device. So the first one,

Rick Archer: and by commercializable, you don’t mean that you just want to make a lot of money with it. You want to You mean you want something that people could actually afford because your stuff costs 10s of 1000s of dollars and nobody would be able to afford it. And so it’s very, very clunky and expensive. I mean, you know, some of the first computers were not very effective at all they were they’re much weaker than Little phones now carry in your pocket, but they filled the whole room, you know, had that huge, they used up huge amounts of electricity had great big fans, cooling them and so on. So, you know, we’re kind of at that stage in terms of this technology.

Mark Pitstick: Yes, thank you for clarifying that. By commercializable, I mean that our overarching goal is to allow anyone who can afford a cell phone to afford a cell phone, right. And eventually, this may be an app that people can use within a smart device. Now, that’s our goal, widespread use for people around the world. With that in mind, the first experiment, one of the first he did was measuring their electromagnetic fields. So when I say there, I’m talking about post material persons. So as you know, the Dr. Schwartz did experiments with Mediums 20 years ago, and found about 20, who are very highly evidential, 90% hit rate. Well, about 10 of those became colleagues and friends. And over time, then they started independently telling Gary bits of information. You know, Albert Einstein keeps showing up. David boom, is a contemporary of Einstein. They’re telling us that you’re supposed to build technology, so we can have a voice so we can help you heal your world. And they provided bits of information. They’re

Rick Archer: so energetic here, so so it’s not like you said, Hey, mediums find us some fire out intelligent, deceased people to communicate with, it’s more like those people Albert Einstein, Nikola, Tesla, and so on. became aware, we’re aware of your project. And we’re aware that the mediums were collaborating with you and and got them through the mediums, you know, communicated with you, they wanted you to know something rather, or tell you something, and they saw the medium as a channel through which to do that.

Mark Pitstick: Correct. And sometimes three or four different ones coming up with the same message in the pendant light and, and communicate with each other

Rick Archer: through different mediums not through the same person. Correct.

Mark Pitstick: So that’s partly how this information came in. So the first device measuring their electromagnetic field, because you know how humans have electromagnetic field that emanates in the brain, but especially the heart, sometimes 2030 feet more, it’s measurable. And this is part of the research, Dr. Schwartz, they’re at Harvard in the past. So he’s very aware that while they’re electromagnetic field, radiation detectors, sensors that can pick that up. So the control in this case would be an empty room with a detector. And the computer measures in shows if any, is detected. Well, it’s no one in the room, material or post material, human or other world light. You see what you expect to see baseline just kind of hovering along the x axis, like a flatline EEG or EKG, then one of the humans would go in, and the sensor would detect their vague energy, then one of the mediums would ask what the post material person is one of the A team members, please go in there. And the EMR centered would pick up their energy, not as high amplitude as humans, but very statistically significant versus the control. However, there’s no way these things are so sensitive a, they can pick up other things besides persons. So there’s no way it was envisioned to commercialize the second device of share what would be their motion, and this is one of the two experiments that shows they have physicality, or at least can. This is called the dynamical interferometer, which is basically a air tight chamber with a very sensitive measuring device inside that measures micro air currents. So control is nobody’s in the room. Certainly nobody is inside the chamber. And again, pretty much flatline.

Rick Archer: So is the box that we’re looking at in this in this slide? Is that the Chamber you’re referring to? No, no,

Mark Pitstick: no, I’ll get to that. Then one of the mediums as one a team members to enter into, or put their hand inside this airtight chamber, immediately the centers show micro air movement, current and laws of physics. that for those air molecules that move, something had to displace them, something had to enter that system. But again, no way to commercialize that for the masses. The one that you’re referring to in the slide 13 is called a silicone photo molecule photomultiplier device. This is a $50,000 piece of equipment is basically a box within a box within a box. Pure Black that’s inside with only a shielded light sensor in a minus 35 degrees sauna grade sleeve, that can that can measure a single photon of light. So control blackness, nobody’s in the room. Nobody’s in the chamber, then a meeting Why is one of the 18 members, please enter the chamber or put your hand in the chamber? Right away, a beam of light appears please move from left to right. It does please move from right to left. It does. Please leave the chamber please go back in. It’s like clockwork, this beautiful white light. However, again, you know, like people like this is the size of a suit fix suitcase? $50,000. I don’t think people don’t carry one of those around. Yeah. So so far, this shows they they have electromagnetic field, they have some physicality and density. And they have or at least reflect can emanate light.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I mean, everybody’s heard ghost stories, so to speak of things getting knocked off the wall, or, you know, feeling something brushed past you or seeing some diaphanous apparition or something like that. So those that kind of refers to all the things you just you just mentioned, really, some ability to interact with physical reality, and to be seen, to some extent, to emanate some sort of light. And And isn’t it I just want to say that anybody who finds this conversation far fetched, that’s understandable. I mean, this is pretty far out stuff. And, but take a scientific attitude toward it, don’t just say, oh, that’s BS, or or, you know, or stifle any doubts, you may have tried to formulate them into a question. And if you’re, if you’re watching the live version of this, send in your question, and Mark will answer it. And if you’re watching it later on, there’s a discussion group that I’ll link to from Mark’s page on bat gap where people might want to hash this stuff out a little bit. But, you know, I mean, if you could go back 100 years, and if we, if one of us could hop in a time machine, go back 100 years and tell the people who lived then all the things we’re going to have today, they don’t think you’re crazy, they probably lock you up. Unless you happen to run into HG Wells or something. So who knows what it might be, like 100 years from now, what if what if we are seeing in what Mark is describing the precursors of very advanced technologies, which would actually allow the kind of communication he’s talking about? So I’m open to the possibility and I can’t say for certain that it’ll pan out, but it’s interesting to consider.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, and as you say, people have had these experiences. And that’s one of the fear. There’s three categories of evidence for afterlife, scientific, whichever is very little, but I’m sharing some with you today, clinical near death experiences, for example. And then evidential or experiential people have these firsthand experiences. The trouble with the ladder is they’re subjective, there’s no way to objectively measure those. Whereas in this case, everything I’m describing is occurring in a university based laboratory with controls everything else that I described in the beginning. The fourth way that we measure their presence and signal was by seeing an image and this is a precursor to the fourth device soul video, which is like we’re doing now Skype, Facetime zoom. Here’s what happened, why there are a couple of mediums shared from David Boehm again Princeton mathematician and physicist, close friend with Krishna Murty, and so he was blending Hinduism wisdom with quantum physics as many

Rick Archer: physicists did, their recording Vedas and so on.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, yeah, David Bohm VOA Cham, he passed on to Gary he said we that is we postpone till persons are visible to the human eye. However, the brain limited as it is, and and designed as it is to function in this physical world can only detect one or two frames out of 1000. So Gary took that information. and bought a very expensive camera that takes 60,000 frames per minute. He reasoned that That oughta capture some of those frames. So the control was, the cameras point against a solid black background. And the outcome is what you expect black. Then he had a software programmer create proprietary software that detects anomalous frames, frames that are different. So again, most all the frames are pure black. But the software detected ones that were blurry white shadows movement, and then they the medium involved with experiment, ask an A team member one time to stand in front of the camera and move because that motion is detected. And sure enough, there were a number of those anomalous frames, which when you plan together is like an early video, you’re probably old enough to remember that big excitement. We have our kids like a deck of cards, and you flip it slowly. And it looked like a video motion picture. Yeah, one of the things we were excited about. Well, it’s very similar to this. So that’s the precursor for solo video. However, the funds were not available to pursue that. Dr. Schwartz actually thinks that creating the video might be easier than we think it could fall right in place, especially once we have the keyboard and are getting increased quality and quantity of information from them. Yeah.

Rick Archer: So do you get the sense that they’re trying to feed you information as best they can, as to? I mean, these guys you mentioned are geniuses. And people like Tesla, invented all kinds of incredible things was way ahead of its time. Do you have a feeling like they actually have an understanding of how to make these things that you’re trying to make? And in they would like to convey that to you somehow,

Mark Pitstick: like the way your mind works, right? Yeah, that’s Schwartz really specialized in the field of systems theory, he wrote about his book, The living energy universe. And he says that systems theory and quantum physics requires that anything we create on Earth is stored in the zero point field or the quantum field. Rishi is called as the Akashic Record Akashic field. And so that if we come up with a cell phone or a computer, wherever that should be very elementary to those living in an abstracted part of the universe. So certainly, they should be able to replicate that. And then what we need is an interface. So we can communicate. So that would be another way versus them using our technology here on Earth. The the next, so the last one, was measuring their their parents their ability to be photographed, which is big. The next one was their ability to speak to create sound. And this is what actually got me involved with Dr. Schwartz. We were both involved with Eternia, which was a group started by John i Dad and have an Alexander gay was a chairperson as the vice president. So designed to merge science and spirituality. Well, it’s evident that we were kindred spirits and sometimes we use very similar language, or he would send to the the core group, his latest experiments. And this is one I read, I got goosebumps called chills hair stand up arms, and I knew I needed to contact See, how can I help excuse me be experiments was this. They had an audiologist booth, you know, soundproof booth, and have vibration dampening floor and it was wrapped with copper foil, so is effectively a Faraday cage to minimize electromagnetic field fluctuations. It was in a room with no heating or cooling ducts, so there weren’t temperature fluctuations, controlling as many variables as possible. The control for that there is a large microphone with like a three foot plexiglass shield, at sound collector, and inside the booth, and control was nobody’s in the booth. No bias in the room. Silence showing our cell Let’s go. Then, a human would go in and whisper nine words that were pre designed at a cadence one word every second and whisper Those words showed high amplitude peaks on the oscilloscope. Then when a team members was asked to go into the booth, and yell those same nine words, because Hello, they’re coming from another dimension. And indeed, for each of those words, there was a blip on the oscilloscope, not as large as humans again, but very highly statistically higher than the control. And those nine words, speaking for those in the next part of life, who were genius, as well are very caring, loving, productive people, and want to help us where we are here to help you heal your world. And you know how and life you’ll encounter something? Well, like I said, the picture Maharaja, just like, Okay, I’m supposed to do that. When I read this, like, Okay, I’m supposed to help. And I call them, we’re gonna be in Arizona a few weeks, never thinking at that time to meet, he made time and asked why he asked me to be the spokesperson. And we’ve achieved a lot in the last four years together. Oh,

Rick Archer: one thing I just want to throw in here is that one way I often try to, you know, put myself in the audience’s shoes. And I have conversations with people who are spiritual people. But they have a hard time accepting even something like reincarnation, or that anything survives bodily death. For somebody, you know, they can I’ll meditate all my life. And it’s great to have nice experiences. But come on, don’t tell me that I’m going to live when the body dies. And one way I would answer that objection, is that there, think in terms of gross and subtle, I mean, not only large and small, but gross and subtle. And also, like you said, In the beginning, you know, we only perceive a tiny fraction of all the things that are actually going on around us that if we had different sensory apparatus, we might perceive it said that birds can actually see magnetic fields and navigate, thereby. And obviously dogs and bats and dolphins and all kinds of creatures can, can hear and smell, especially here in terms of the species I just mentioned, things that humans can’t perceive. So they’re all kinds of things that are outside the realm of our ordinary perception. And, you know, one, one way of thinking of this in a way that science doesn’t really consider, I mean, scientists understands the frequencies that bats and dogs can hear. But another, there’s another dimension to it, which is that they’re gross and subtle levels of creation. And the subtler realms, you know, traditionally have been called astral or celestial or like you said, Akashic where it’s like that. They’re just as real as the concrete gross stuff that we experience. But just outside the, the spectrum of our, you know, the, the band on the spectrum of potential perspective perception that we occupy. So but there are people who have broader bandwidth they can they do perceive angels, or are, you know, celestial beings are, you know, David’s are Elementals. I’ve interviewed some of those people. And they seem very credible to me. I’ve even had a few glimpses myself, but I’m not right. Yeah, just glimpses. So. And I think when you consider all the accounts in the world, spiritual traditions of these types of entities, the angels and whatnot exist around the world, everything from the, from the South American, indigenous tribes, to Native Americans, to the Indians, the Judeo Christian tradition, they all have accounts of this stuff, and it’s in the artwork, it’s in the literature. So something’s been going on last couple 1000 years, and it’s presumptuous of us to just dismiss it, because it doesn’t make sense to us, or it doesn’t make sense to, you know, our modern scientific understanding. If you just kind of think that way helps you accept the kind of stuff that Mark is saying here. Anyway, that’s a bit of a rant, but I thought I’d throw that into people a leg up if they’re having a hard time with this.

Mark Pitstick: It’s a very good wrap. Here’s one metaphor for and this comes from Lynne McTaggart book the field where she interviewed some of the top quantum physicists in the world. They say that of all the light and energy that exists in our world and you understand that fundamentally really what we are beings of that manifesting in different ways. We’re not really solid or separate. So follow the light energy exists in our world where the size of Mount Everest, the portion the average human can perceive would be the size I have a golf ball. Yeah. And that’s why Dr. Schwartz and I have called our book greater reality, living greater reality being our preferred term for the totality of life, all that exists. Reality is another

Rick Archer: metaphor for if you took the electromagnetic field, which gives us our visual, you know, perception, which also gives us radio waves and X rays and cell phone signals and everything else. If you if you made that the electromagnetic spectrum, the length of the Mississippi River, human visual perception would be like a few centimeters somewhere south of Hannibal, Missouri.

Mark Pitstick: I know. So that I think that helps people realize we’re we’re going around and looking through a tiny pinhole. And that’s one of the reasons for centering practices to expand that even a little bit can make a big difference. And we understand more the mind of God, we understand that life is fair, and just and magnificent when we can see more of that. One other practical point, because there’s a good chance a lot of your viewers are, sense this, which is a term for people who can perceive more than that golf ball size, compared to Mount Everest. And it’s tough for people on our planet who are sensitive. Now, some are also empathic, which means they can feel the emotions of others. But people are sensitives who can feel hear see smell more than average person? Not so long ago were burned at the stake. Yeah, and you know, the considered Kooks, and people keep this inside, they’ll share. But now we realize how common it is natural reason we start these great around, they live in groups so people can share their personal experiences. Have a tribe have a group of kindred spirits where they’re not judged or criticized. And it’s

Rick Archer: great that it’s happening in academia, because even now, you know, if some graduate student wants to do his PhD thesis in extrasensory perception or some such thing is his faculty advisors, they won’t even try to ruin your career. I mean, you won’t get funding, you will be ostracized, you know, you’ll be it’ll be siphoned off into some little side channel of, you know, the academic world do something practical, you know. So there’s a strong bias against this kind of thing by those who are clinging to the materialist paradigm.

Mark Pitstick: You’re right. People can lose funding, they use lose their job, that reputation that Schwartz has, as you can imagine, many colleagues from over the years, some of whom are his students, when he’s a professor at Harvard. Yeah. They love and respect him. They know the quality of his work. But when they see these experiments, they say, Gary, I don’t see flaws in your methodology. There’s only one problem. I don’t believe there is an afterlife. So your results can’t be right. And it’s fresh frame for Dr. Schwartz. Because he said, What happened to the credo of follow that data? Yeah, put aside your pre existing beliefs, and see where the data lead.

Rick Archer: That’s why the Galileo Project over in the UK was so named because Church authorities refused to look through Galileo’s telescope, because what he was telling them couldn’t be true. So why even bother look?

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. So would you like to pick back up on we have a couple more experiments?

Rick Archer: Yeah, just give me slide numbers, if there’s a slide and I will just go to that one.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, we’re the number 15. Okay, and this is measuring the attenuation of a photon or laser beam. Alright, so the experiment is you have an eight foot wide, long table, and you have a beam emitter, again, either photons, or laser. And we know how long it gets takes to go from point A to point B. Now that’s the control, that’s the constant, then a Plexiglas hand will be passed through the beam, and the beam will slow down some slow dads it speed. Then, when the post material persons will put their hands through, and it slows down the beam not as much as a Plexiglas hand, but very highly statistically significant, versus the control. And this is this and the air movement wine are what convinced this that post material persons do have physicality, or can and let’s talk about that for a moment.

Rick Archer: Before we go to that. Let me ask you a question about this. You know, so light goes 186,000 miles a second in a vacuum. So you’re saying that this equipment that we just saw is actually even even though it fits on an eight foot table is able to measure slight fluctuate In the speed of light, is that what you’re saying?

Mark Pitstick: Yes, but not just light, but the laser beam as well. Now these are

Rick Archer: laser beam is light. These are small

Mark Pitstick: attenuation effects. But measurable indiscernible Yes. Okay. Things like glass and water can slow down light, especially. And you notice in the photo, that there are lots of mirrors there. And this is partly to amplify the signal. And it’s also partly to show that diminishing speed, passing through all that glass that was set up by an optical physicist, which is amazing. So talking about their density, Albert Einstein describe to some of the mediums he said, We are historical energy systems, who can manifest in various ways, depending upon our intent, and with whom we’re interacting. It’s not exact quote, but that’s paraphrasing. Historical energy systems is the key word there. So the analogy I use for people who maybe their minds are starting to blow furnaces, consider you have electrical supply coming in your house or condo, that electricity then manifests in different ways operates different devices, your TV or your stereo, your lights will similarly the energy that is us can manifest in different ways. Native Americans recognize this and their art millennia ago, we are talking about Michael Newton earlier, based on his work 35,000 different cases from people around the world. And deep, deep hypnosis for our sessions, he was able to gain a sense of how much of their energy it took to visit Earth.

Rick Archer: Let’s clarify what Michael Newton what he did was he hypnotically regressed people back to the period between lives. And he did so many 1000s of them, as you just said, and there was such a agreement among the accounts that that so many of them gave him that he was able to map out in quite some detail what people generally experienced in the period between lives and his books are very interesting. Go ahead.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. So on average 25% of a call to souls or energies, entered entities energy is required to have this earthly experience. The rest could be experiencing other times and places other parts of the field of all possibilities as a plant, a human form, or formless animal, and part never leaves home.

Rick Archer: Okay, so you and I were sitting here and we may be only using 25% of the energy that we that comprises our soul and its entirety, and the other 75% might be doing other things. And actually, that pertains to this a team because you know, who’s to say that Tesla and Einstein, all these people haven’t reincarnated, but even if they have 75%, or whatever of their energy could still be on the other side interacting with you.

Mark Pitstick: A couple of things about that Dr. Weiss, says On average, a person will wait 100 or 200 Earth years before coming back. So rapid reincarnations are not unheard of, but not common. Secondly, the word from through the mediums are that none of these people we’ve worked with we named some Tesla, Sagan, Einstein, Edison, and others. None of them have reincarnated however, the what we are just describing dovetails beautifully with the concept of multi location. Some people hear about by location, the ability to be in more than two places at same time. Well, two and a half years ago, I was gifted with the opportunity to work with Dr. Schwartz have a meeting with him and one of the top evidential mediums and ask questions of the A Team. Up until then no one had done that because we want to honor the time, the focus is always on the technology. So imagine that bamboo is people like that question for one was, gosh, we won’t be so respectful of your time, you know, we hope we’re not taking you away from doing your next goals and work. And I said so can you multiple okay. And they said oh yeah, and I said can you be in five plate different places at the same time? And she reported there were cheating not going to say, Oh, you might say that nice. Oh, well, how about 1020 30 I felt like an auctioneer at some point, they finally maxed out 50 to 100, depending on the person, different places, different actions and interactions. So that’s also another way to look at this. Only part of our souls energy is here.

Rick Archer: Okay? You think about these people who say that they have seen Jesus or they’re praying to Jesus, I’m just using him as a case in point, but we could see others. And, you know, you might ask, Well, Jesus must be a real busy guy, kind of like, like Santa Claus racing around, do you deal with all these different people? But, you know, a being of that stature? Could probably multitask to a very great extent without breaking a sweat.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, yep. Exactly. So that’s how they can have physicality. You know, one of the first ways I came across this was near death experiences. It’s a common question for people to ask, Well, when I pass on how I recognize my grandma, who died 50 years ago, you know, Surely she doesn’t still look like grandma all these years, frozen in time, said no, but she’ll probably appear that way to you. So that you will be comforted, you’ll be able to identify and then later once you’ve loosened your attachment to, we are just our bodies, then she can appear as how she is now or just like an energy. Yeah.

Rick Archer: Okay. So continue on.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, the last device then. And this leads up to the present time is slide number 16. And that is the electronic sole switch. And most people remember, in grade school, they probably did a simple experiment where they had a battery, two wires coming off the poles of the battery, and then a light bulb, and you had to touch the bare wires, both wires to the light bulb for it to light up. That’s called closing the circuit. Well, likewise, we used an experiment where we had an open circuit. And in the photo, you see in the upper left, what’s called a PICO amp meter, this measure is 1,000,000th of one volt, such sensitive equipment. So with this open circuit, then the one of the A Team members can close the circuit, put their hand on the device, to effectively close the circuit, and then register the energy. And there’s different ways that it’s patentable. So I can’t give it away. But this is the most conceived commercializable device to use. The only trouble was, it was so sensitive, it was picking up 110 outlet voltage, fluorescent lights, cars going a block away. So So sense there, to pick up the signal spirit, that it was picking up all sorts of other things. Anyway, it’s kind of a long story, but we have made a number of modifications to that. And right now the research is on the electronic sole switch, which should be 99%. Accurate, should be instantaneous, very reliable, allowing us yes or no answers. And then that’s what then will be created in series for the sole keyboard. Okay.

Rick Archer: Good. Um, should I mark Gober? Who is book I held up earlier sent in a few questions? Would this be a good time to answer that, ask them or do you want to continue on? Okay, so here’s a few questions from Mark. He asked, is the sole phone capable of discernment? Even if accurate information is obtained? How can we be sure that the being is not an imposter?

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, that’s the number one question we received. And that is we have a series of tests. One is called the personal identification test. That was really the most recent experiment. And by the way, I haven’t mentioned yet, because it’s very important. We’re preparing to embark on a series of multicenter studies at other universities, laboratories and institutes. So multicenter studies at the gold standard for scientific evidence approved close as you can.

Rick Archer: So in other words, other people will try to replicate what your findings,

Mark Pitstick: right, yeah. Yep. And so yeah, first of all the personal identification tests we were using for a team members, then Nikola Tesla was one I’ll use him as an example. So they’re 12 different questions. And for one of the A team for one of the four, the answer would be yes. For the others, the answer would be no. So we’re using a Plasma Globe, a tesla coil at the time to measure their yes and no answers. So the system was, if the answer to the question shown on the computer is yes, put your hands on top of the globe actually inside it? If the answer is no, keep your hands in your lap. Questions like Were you born in this country? Was this your mother’s name? Was this your father’s name? Was this your birthday? Was this your death day? Did you write a book by this name and so on? And when you see them answer crackly questions, whether the answer should be yes or no 100% across the time, then you have more assurance that they are who they who the medium say they are. In addition, we have what’s called the expert knowledge test, where a very arcane piece of information will be shown on the screen, for example, a section of Einstein’s theory of relativity. And the question would be, was this Okay, Dr. Einstein? Was this part of your theory? Yes. However, if it was somebody else’s theory, the answer should be no for that. And this would be information that almost nobody knows, we will have to go research and find if the person was a musician, lyrics to a little known song, are these lyrics to a song you wrote? So this is another way that we can be sure that who the person is, purportedly, they really are. And so it’s a topic we’re very much aware of. And we have to be concerned for that for safety, and integrity.

Rick Archer: Aside from the 18 members in the shot, and the slide that I’ve been showing, I’ve, I’ve heard you in the recordings, I’ve listened to mention Harry Houdini, and a musician named Peter, I was wondering if that was Peter Elliott, Tchaikovsky by any chance. And then you’ve also mentioned Michael Jackson. So I mean, how big is the A Team aside from the five or so people that you have in that slide?

Mark Pitstick: 30 core people, because our mediums can only deal with so many people you imagine working with a team. And if you’ve got hundreds, it’s the communication be difficult. So they’re about 30. But they say for each one of them. There are hundreds more, working behind the scenes, and waiting in the wings to get a voice for communication technology to be able to. So for example, think it was two years ago, well, wasn’t long after Steve Jobs passed. And a couple of the mediums said, Steve Jobs is coming through he would like to help you guys. And the answer was Sorry, Steve, we can’t use you right now. I’m thinking, Oh, my God. Yeah. This is Steve Jobs. Who?

Rick Archer: Whose answer was that?

Mark Pitstick: Well from from the team, because we just couldn’t use them at the time. We had too many voices involved. And we weren’t at that point of technology where he could use his input. Would you want

Rick Archer: to hear what he had to say first before telling him to get lost?

Mark Pitstick: This is a small research team and we are de Lodz with Project projects and information, so Okay, yeah, we would like to hear all kinds of things

Rick Archer: I can understand daily, we’re that way with interview requests.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. So that’s how many of the A team members are, we’ve actually quit talking about them too much, because that’s the, you know, sets off the bullshit meter for some people like okay, this is to where, and when we realize that we respect that. And so we’ve decided to not talk too much about the 18 members, and wait until they can speak for themselves. I mentioned this session with one of the mediums who are going to ask some questions, and one was when the technology is a able to provide a webinar, even if it’s texting and typing, but certainly once there’s voice and seeing, would you all be willing and able to teach us on different topics, you know, global sustainability, health care, feeding the poor world peace and free energy, there’s so many topics, would you be willing and able to do that? And the medium started laughing she said they’re pushing each other out of the way to get first in line. So they very much want to share that with it. So hope is calming.

Rick Archer: So you’re implying that those on the other side if if other side is okay term with you have are privy to all these this knowledge That would solve many of the problems here on Earth. And presumably, we were privy to it before we incarnated here. But somehow we lose that knowledge. When we come here, just as we lose a lot of stuff, a lot of knowledge, we come here knowledge of our, you know, higher nature. And so it’s a matter of Facilitated Communication between here and the other side so that there can be more of a free flow of knowledge and information.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, and I don’t know if I’d agree with you know, they’re all privy to, but I would say that if we’re we on Earth are looking for Pinho, there may be looking to a silver dollar size, so they’re understanding more about the greater reality. And also, they’re

Rick Archer: the Einsteins in the Tesla’s and the the jobs and people like that.

Mark Pitstick: They were geniuses, why on earth, they continued working. So yeah, they certainly have something to share. A Tesla said, By the way, if you think I invented some amazing things while I was on earth, wait till you see why I’ve been working on here. And immediately the word free energy just kind of came in my intuition.

Rick Archer: And presumably when you say that Tesla said that you’re not saying he communicated that knowledge through your soul switch or anything? He came, he got that through a medium who know Suzanne, thanks, me or somebody.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. And I so I should say purportedly said for sure. But yeah, we trust our mediums.

Rick Archer: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, you and I both have a scientific attitude. And we’re not presenting this as the, you’re not presenting this as the gospel truth. And I’m not listening to it as the gospel truth, but I’m just listening. Yeah, I mean, my attitude is that everything is a hypothesis. You know, angels, do they exist. aliens from other planets, do they exist? It’s like, it’s a hypothesis. You don’t have to disbelieve it, you don’t have to believe it. But, you know, be open minded to whatever evidence presents itself. And, you know, some hypotheses are much more credible than others, because they have accumulated a lot more evidence. There are people who believe we haven’t put men on the moon. And there’s so much evidence that we have, you know, so you just have to sort of be open to what we do know. And, and, you know, and then strive to know more.

Mark Pitstick: I agree. That’s the process of science. Exactly. scientific inquiry.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Okay, so here’s another question from Mark Gober, has the cell is the cell phone limited, or restricted in terms of the types of beings it can access? Because there are all kinds of beings, not just humans who have crossed over? There are many beings on the other side.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. As your initial, our initial research is, as I mentioned, I’m post material persons, that is those were, who were humans on Earth. The next stage of research, soon as we’re able will be for higher energy beings, angels guides, whatever terms are used, however, they equipment involved will be much different. With humans, the trick has been to dampen the background noise and amplify their signal. So because it’s so relatively tiny, for angels and higher energy beings, the assumption is we haven’t had a chance testing is yet that they would blow up our current technology. And so we will need him from technology who can handle a large current? Yeah, it’s very much like was describing my own experiment. That was one of the takeaways from that, is that my nervous system, even eyes, chiropractic and optimal nervous system and meditation, yoga excetera. my nervous system was able to handle that much current at the time. There were probably masters who could adjust. Yeah, just kept going on for hours like that, likewise, are in a similar way, the technology we need to communicate with whether Chairman’s or angels or hopefully, eventually, source energy itself will differ widely.

Rick Archer: Yeah, yeah, there’s a term spiritual emergency. Stanislav Grof, I think popularized the term but there are so many cases of people who just, you know, get too much voltage going through their system to too much more, a bit more awakening than they’re prepared to handle. Sometimes it’s, you know, catapulted upon them through drugs or something psychedelics and other times even through meditation or even sometimes nothing some people just have this radical sudden awakening and, and a lot of inner and stabilization has to take place. And that’s why spiritual traditions, most of them have all sorts of methodologies for purification and integration that you know, you would want to engage in before any kind of major awakening, otherwise you won’t be able to handle it.

Mark Pitstick: I agree. And Dr. Graf is a genius. was one of the guests on my show. I learned a lot from his Holotropic breathing. And yeah, what a giant in the field of consciousness.

Rick Archer: Yeah, he’s been on that gap to another question. Final question from Mark, has there been any collaboration with the Windbridge Research Center? If so, are there aspects of their methodologies that can be applied to cell phone research?

Mark Pitstick: Dr. Schwartz and Dr. By show Julie by show were colleagues years ago, I think she got her PhD under him at the University of Arizona. They are focusing primarily as we understand on credentialing mediums now, and focusing on that mediumship field, whereas Dr. Schwartz has largely moved moved away from that, except for the ability of evidential mediums to pass through bits of information from these luminaries. Okay. Oh, geez. Yeah, she and the Institute are excellent.

Rick Archer: Yeah. I think she’s on our shortlist of people to interview. So, we have several ways we can go here. One is that we haven’t shown all your slides. And there may be things in your slides that you still want to talk about. So there’s that. And then I also made a list of many of the titles of the posts. You know, the articles you wrote on your website, which are would be interesting topics for discussion. So where do you want to go next?

Mark Pitstick: Oh, you’re the host trek. And you’re the crazy guys listen on my cell. I’d like to

Rick Archer: get the t shirt for that. You’ll be sending me the t shirt.

Mark Pitstick: I get to be the conductor here. Okay,

Rick Archer: well, yeah, but but also I, you know, feel free to interrupt me if there’s something that comes to mind that you want to talk about that I haven’t thought to ask you. All right, so I’m just gonna take these from the top. One article was entitled, The good death. And I know you’ve worked, you’ve witnessed at least 100 people die in your work in the medical field. And I’m sure you’ve seen the whole gamut in terms of people who are terrified of dying people who have no problem with it, and can you know, feel like it’s just going to be like changing clothes, or like, you know, getting off one airplane and getting onto another. So what do you mean by a good death?

Mark Pitstick: It’s one of the projects, Dr. Schwartz and I want to work on the future is actually written a paper worked with a team of medical doctors and psychologists and others, because it’s a big problem, as you may be aware of, we you know, deciding when is enough, you know, medical doctors to tie in, never give up and you keep trying Well, when I worked in hospitals, for example, true story, I swear to God, middle of the night code for we go up there. And the patient is 93 years old. He had two limbs amputated because of severe diabetes. He had chronic liver kidney failure. He had had several heart attacks, this poor guy is trying to die. But they went to the hole saying, you know, shocking him and tubes and port and so on. And I said to the chief resident, what are we doing? Yeah, my God. And he said, teaching hospitals are a rough place to die. Yeah, basically their practice and I. And after a few hours of being poked and shock, then inhumane things. He finally died. I’ll just share a few. few glimpses of this are a few snippets out of it. I wrote that. About two years ago. Now one of our cats was dying. She’s very old and failing. It’s clearly time to move on. Just before the veterinarian gave her the relaxing shot. He said, I just hope I can pass on this peacefully when it’s my time. And I said, Yeah, man. That’s why I’m saying who made this one up. Cats and dogs can pass in a timely way with dignity. But humans have to suffer and You know, sometimes curl up in a coma and contractures and 80 pounds. And unfortunately, part of it is about money. Part of it is about fear. I talked with physician friend about this recently, he said, Hey, sometimes we try to get through to the family that they should let them go. But the family so afraid, no, do whatever you can to save them. And I think seeing a loved one passed, makes them afraid, reminds them that one day they’re gonna be in that same situation. So there are a few angles to it. But certainly, as we know, without a doubt that life continues on, people should have a choice to and their life when they’re ready in a timely way. That’s the term good death, which is what euthanasia means.

Rick Archer: Yeah, a couple of sort of funny things come to mind. One was Woody Allen, he said, I don’t mind dying. I just don’t want to be there when it happens. And another was kind of a joke. said, yeah. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather did not not screaming in terror, like the passengers in his car. And so but yeah, I mean, and also, I mean, if you look at the percentages of the health care expenditure that this nation inflicts upon itself, very disproportionate amount of it is in, you know, keeping people alive in the very last years of life where there isn’t much quality of life.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, I, I worked with a patient for weeks, again, probably upper 80s. As person was in a coma, they were trying to die from pneumonia, but we wouldn’t lambs, we kept giving them breathing treatments and sectioning their lungs. I was with this person numerous times and never saw any visitors never saw any cards or flowers. And I was reading Elisabeth Kubler Ross that time this is in mid 70s. And aware that hearing is often the last to go, even a person’s comatose. So I just spoken to their quiet land said, Hey, if you want to keep loving, we’ll keep doing everything we can. But if you’re ready to move on, you realize you have control over that. Look around you likely will see the light, where near death experiences at a time, he likely will see visitors loved ones, perhaps pets, who are there just waiting for you. And I said, if you want to do that, follow the light, reach out, take God’s hand or their hand. And I did that with two people. And both of them passed on within 24 hours. Now this, this is a time when there was a nurse in Cincinnati.

Rick Archer: Remember that? Yeah. So she was killing people, right? I

Mark Pitstick: probably should. But it showed me that perhaps part of why people will linger on a vegetative state because they’re afraid they’re not educated. So shame on us. We need to do a better job.

Rick Archer: Yeah. There’s a verse in the Bhagavad Gita, which goes certain indeed is death for the Born and certain is birth to the dead. Therefore over the inevitable you should not grieve. Yeah. Well, I am glad I’m not still driving the car that I was driving in 1965. You know, and if I, if I were trying to, I’d be putting a lot of money into repairs, it’s nice to be having driving a newer one. Sure. Yeah. People get a metaphor.

Mark Pitstick: Yes. It’s a very good metaphor. So let me you know, you said what else why like sharing is to kind of bring this together and help people realize how it helps. They’re here and now. Last one was Father’s Day, a week ago, Sunday. And or last Sunday, God what a week it spent that was last Sunday. And I received an email the day before from a woman she said we I just bought the book Great around a living for my husband. She said our son passed two years ago. And I figured this is the best gift I could give him and that slide 24 This is the best gift I could give him to give him some comfort. And and she said, we’ve been following news about the soul phone for some time. And frankly, it’s the only thing keeping us going that we know that we may be able to communicate with Son someday. And I thought, Oh, my God, first of all, I’m glad it gives them hope. The secondly, how sad, you know, fathers, they want to be with their kids, or at least a good conversation. And here’s his poor dad, reading a book about afterlife and the password of communication someday. That’s the best he has. And, you know, it’s so sad. It’s so painful. And lots of people. I mean, I get numerous emails from people around the world. Every day, my wife passed my husband pass, our child passed, I was on the board of helping parents for five years, I’ve worked with 1000s, and 1000s, of bereaved parents. It’s just one of my colleagues, also people who are suicidal, and people whose loved ones have passed by suicide. That’s the toughest of the tough. So there’s an example of how learning this information can give relief can give comfort. Another true life example, for younger kids we get also on slide 24, the book that Dr. Schwartz and I just wrote, with a woman named cotton Mapes. She has a dual Master’s in childhood education and counseling. It’s called the big picture of life. It’s basically great around a living but written for kids about nine to 16. Although it turns out, some adults say they understand it better than greater reality living. And so says a couple weeks ago to my grandkids were over seven and nine year old, and the nine year old Stella was reading the book to us. So we read a chapter about a grandmother’s dying, and the families that are bedside. And then finally she passes. And then our Illustrator, create a picture of now grandma’s bodies, you know, laying in bed, supposedly dead. But then here’s her essence, or 99.9%, hovering in the air, reaching out to the family trying to let him know, hey, I’m here, I’m okay. I’m alive. We’ll see each other again, all this great news. And after we talked about that, I said, so you guys, one of these days, I’m gonna die. You know, I mean, I’m six years old, and then you and quite probably I’m going to pass on first. I hope this helps you remember this talk? When I do pass and know, we’ll see each other again, I’m not really dead. We can communicate in different ways, and still have this happy, loving relationship. And well, little Johnny said, I know, but I don’t want you to die, grandpa. And I said, Well, I know it’s kind of sad. But hopefully it helps what we’ve been talking about. And Stella said, I’m still gonna be sad, but just not as much as before. And I thought, That’s it. That’s right there. You know, being on Earth is tough. And we’re still going to suffer somewhat. But if we can lighten and abbreviate that suffering, what’s at work?

Rick Archer: Yeah. You know, one thought that comes to mind is that you guys are trying to develop these contraptions. And it’d be really cool if you do, and you know, commercialize them make them accessible to lots of people. But we have a pretty cool contraption right here, you know, in terms of our mind, body system, our nervous system. And these evidential mediums you’ve been working with have unfolded certain capabilities of that contraption that, you know, make them different than most people, they actually can communicate in a way which you might hope your cell phone will enable more people to do. But we might actually be heading into a time where the kinds of abilities that these evidential mediums have become much more commonplace. And you know, that could I could envision a society in which, you know, it was kind of the norm for people to be able to communicate, even see and hear people who had passed over. Because, you know, obviously, human beings do have that capability. And I think that if anyone has any capability, everyone has it. It’s just that most people haven’t tapped into it and unfolded it.

Mark Pitstick: Love it, and that’s why you’ve done 500 chairs, right? splendid job. Yeah. The 100 Monkey by Ken keys. Talks about the true observation by animal zoologist who are observing that monkeys would peel fruit but then it would fall into the sand and they could need it. But then one month Wash it off, learned how to do that. And these animal behaviors notice that on other continents almost immediately, animals started washing their fruit and never having been observed doing that before. So that is one of our hopes that as people learn this evidence, scientific evidence, and as more people develop their sense of abilities, as you say, that becomes more normative for people opens up that control gate more, more people awaken to who they are, why they’re here. Yeah, how wonderful life is.

Rick Archer: There’s also Rupert Sheldrake ‘s work with Morpho morphic fields or morphogenetic fields. And, and the whole notion that, well, this is related to the 100th Monkey thing, but you know, for instance, running the four minute mile, it was such a big deal to run the four minute mile, I think it was Roger Bannister. He was the guy’s name, who finally broke that limit and ran a four minute mile and no one thought it could be done. And he finally did it. But after he did it, you know, it started to become more and more common. And I think that’s true of all kinds of things, athletic abilities, various types of knowledge, and other kinds of human capabilities, that the, once somebody breaks the boundary, then the field becomes more porous in terms of that particular thing. And it’s easier to penetrate by by other people who might not have quite the, the capability of the person who first penetrates it. Some people even say that about enlightenment, like it took a kind of a Superman like the Buddha to get enlightened in his day and age. But now, so many people have crossed that barrier, that the barrier is quite diaphanous, quite porous. And so awakenings are kind of, you know, multiplying and popcorn joshing.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah. Yeah, Wayne Dyer had a book, such a great teacher, you know that the saying, I’ll believe it when I see it. Or he switches said, I’ll see it when I believe it. And just what we’re discussing here, yeah, when people know it more, it’s all around us, right in front of us. And as part of a created a technique called a facilitated after death communication techniques. So after death communications, as you know, meaningful perception of a quote, departed loved one while awake or asleep. But usually those are spontaneous, and they’re so treasured. Well, after training with Raymond Moody for a week doing the mirror gazing psycho mantium techniques, I reasoned that if indeed, the goal is to turn down the brains analysis, and see more of what’s really there, we could do that too. Deep hypnosis, I’ve been using clinical hypnosis for 40 years. So I created these techniques as described under not article number nine, at Seoul proved calm, different practical ways a person can facilitate or enhance the ability to perceive their loved ones, like set an appointment hold an object of theirs, and so on. But with this technique, and many people, especially bereaved parents, experience their child holding their hand, stroking their hair, hugging them sitting on their lap, and so on. And afterwards, they’re profoundly moved by it. And it provides a lasting benefit that stays with them. So that’s what this group is all about. Going from a brief parent, lower energy, emotion, sadness, anger, guilt, blame, etc. To shining light parents, who realize, Oh my God, you know, I was lucky enough have a child who graduated from our school early, I’m going to find the silver linings to somehow create more meaning. And these people are some of the most enlightened people happy serving others. I know. It’s just an incredible process of alchemy to watch.

Rick Archer: You know, earlier I was mentioning how angels and things like that have been mentioned in all the various religious scriptures of the world. But they also mentioned the dark stuff, hell and evil spirits and devils and, you know, that kind of thing. Then there have been many movies that are kind of scary depicting ghosts. And, you know, like that the movie ghosts, for instance. So the screenwriter was a guest on my show, you know, kind of depicted some dark entities that were giving people trouble. And so what’s your take on all that you’re spending so much time and effort to contact the other side when you contact something that you don’t? You’d rather hadn’t?

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, it’s a big question. Thank you for asking it. decades ago, I studied the Aramaic language through a couple authors Rocco, Erica, George Lamsa. And Neil Douglas clods. And it’s amazing because, as you know, Aramaic was the seminal language in the place that birth, Islam, Judaism and Christianity. So it turns out that the words for heaven and hell, for example, Hebrew, my wet meant, a passageway that you go to, after the body dies, where there’s a sorting out process, and you sort through your life. Okay, so this is a couple 1000 years ago, language. Now, let’s fast forward to when there’s so many near death experiences, because of our current recess table capabilities. So we have very well mapped out and documented life reviews. And people describe having a life review in which they not only see, but feel everything they did or said to others. And if you are mostly good, then your life review is heavenly. And if it was mostly bad, it’s hellish. But it was not punitive in nature, unlike what Some religions teach, it was always about, it was instructional to help people grow. So to me, that’s the purest way of understanding the nature of hell. When when I was about 10 years old, I was saying our church, our minister was talking about fire eternal hell. And a voice in my head. It’s one of the first times I was aware of this, said, Mark, they have that one a little mixed up. God has no need for such a place in this plan of salvation for all what was so clear. And so obviously, right, I looked around to see the reaction of others. And they were all looking straight ahead, listening to the minister. And I realized I was the only one to hurt it. So you know, I played it straight. But I have shared that with so many people. And so many elders have shared with me that, yeah, they believe the same thing. When they’re kids. You’re like, here’s a god unfathomable love and caring. However, if you don’t do certain things to believe a certain way, you’ll fry forever. Yeah, that’s schizophrenic. So this new model, then of hell as yes, we create, there’s karma we create and you make your bed, you sleep in it, but it’s not forever. And it is roll out. There’s also you know, or asked about Hitler, somebody like that may have to sleep for millennia, before he can heal enough build up enough energy to even begin his life for you. And then that begins, oh, my God, you know, feeling and seeing all the pain, but eventually even that, that the consciousness can be restored.

Rick Archer: There has you ever heard Dannion Brinkley story is a sniper in Vietnam, and he had four near death experiences. And he had to end in each one he sort of had to experience not only the, what the people here shot, experienced, but also what their families experienced, having lost their loved one and the their provider and so on and so forth. And you know, that he’s devoted his life to helping people in hospices and things like that. So he’s definitely learned from those reviews. It wasn’t just some punishment.

Mark Pitstick: Yes, yeah. Now that makes sense to people, okay. It’s not God, putting a hell on us or a god deciding, Oh, you made it to heaven forever, not you but a urine hell forever. It’s we created ourselves. And it’s the same on earth, by the way, you know, we we create how heavenly or hellish or experiences. And by the way, let’s double back to what we talked about before, that this earthly experience real and solid, as it seems, may actually be a virtual reality movie. We may be wearing goggles, you know, on home based, it might be like reading a book or watching a movie. But with our limited brain, it seems like this is the only thing that’s happening.

Rick Archer: Yeah, the Hindus call it a Leela. It’s God’s play. And obviously, plays have tragedy and humor and all kinds of variety that which makes them interesting. Now, you studied theology academically, and I know I think I’ve heard you mentioned that. And many people know this. But the Bible is a hodgepodge of information that was, you know, much of it wasn’t written down for a few 100 years after it happened. And then there was all kinds of editing and pruning and you know, insertion and just it’s definitely not some kind of cut set in stone, infallible, you know, authority on anything. And although some people cling to the notion that it is. So I mean, I think it can help somebody who has a Christian background to actually study simulated pedals or some other, you know, authorities on how all this information got cobbled together so that they can just like, Well, like I heard, I’ve heard you mentioned Jefferson, the he found the Jefferson he created the Jefferson Bible in which he cut out everything except the stuff that Jesus had actually said. And even that, well, it hadn’t been written down for a few 100 years. So you know, you even have to take that with a grain of salt.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, what am I tallness tariffs, they said, we asked with any religious scripture, we need to separate diamonds from the dung heap. And he’s right. So that’s one of the reasons I went to the allergy school to find out for myself what is out of these teachings that never made sense. For example, the one thou shalt fear the Lord thy God. I said, Wait a minute, I don’t fear my parents, guys suppose at least as loving as my earthly parents. And I found out that word fear could have just as easily been translated respect. All right, that makes sense. So after a year and a half of biblical history, the lead professor said, so as you now see, there is so little actual evidence for the stories report in the Bible that has to be taken upon faith. And I was like, What the hell, you know, why don’t you tell me at the first day to save the lodge? Wishon. But it’s true, as you say, there were councils that voted to delete or add different books. So political, just like today, you know, power mongers focusing on fame, fortune control. And so I tell people to look for the golden threads that exists in the world’s religions. Look for that, that resonates within your heart. What would a loving God and teacher really say and do and so it becomes pretty evident

Rick Archer: that believe that reincarnation used to be in there, too. It was edited out at the Council of Nicea, but on the orders of some emperor or something.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, it was a common tenant and early Christian days.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Interesting. Well, you know, the times are such I think, where a lot of stuff is being reshuffled now. I mean, as we speak, there has been the Coronavirus and a whole lot of social upheaval. And I don’t know I mean, in your experience with people on the other side and the evidential mediums and all have you gotten any indications of what is happening to society right now why there’s so much commotion, what so much upheaval, and where we might find ourselves when it all settles down?

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, we have no input. You know, keep in mind, the team is so focused on the technology that I’ve not asked for any input from the mediums. And by the way, even the best mediums have bad days, they can be tapping in the monkey mind. So that’s why we need some reliable, very accurate technology. Nor have we saw input from the from the A team. My sense is that we’ve fooled with mother nature so much, we’re experiencing the ramifications of it. I still practice part time as a holistic physician. And I see it in so many people, including little children, you know, our food or water is so polluted, our brains are being bombarded with heavy metals and chemicals, nutrient deficient, quote, food, and the ramifications then are horrendous. Look at suicide, the number one cause of death and teenage girls. Oh my God, what’s going on? And so when is humanity gonna wake up? I’ll give you an example. The, you know, I’ve got a white beard. I dyed it until a couple years ago. And then I thought, What am I doing? You know, I’m not following a body. Number one, number two. I’m putting this on my face, not so far from my brain. And I know there’s chemicals and heavy metals in here. So when I was a kid, old people had white hair. Now, you see so man, Spaceland, TV, you know, solid black and you can tell it’s fake. They’re paying such a price for that. Look at all the Alzheimer’s care centers. Now. I knew a lot of people as a kid, church, school or neighborhood. There was one person that my mom said, Oh, he didn’t think quite right sometimes. But now we have these huge centers in every city. So people need to wake up and so I talk about my book radiant wellness, how to fine tune ourselves and body, mind and spirit. So that we live a great life, we have the energy and vitality to handle life’s demands, and some leftover to brighten the corner where we are. So this is actually part of the soul phone project outreach to get some help from those looking at a different way. But also to gain a greater platform to share what we already know, try to wake people up.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I mean, the body is the temple of the soul, right? So it’s the vehicle. I mean, if whatever you want to achieve in life, spiritual or otherwise, if you want to be a great pianist, and you never get any exercise and eat copious amounts of junk food all day, I bet you it’s going to hamper your your piano playing ability. So and you know what to say of spiritual development, which requires a deep refinement of the nervous system says it’s important to take, take good care of the body.

Mark Pitstick: I agree. Yeah. And that’s, that’s a big part of it. And we talk about that in greater reality living, it might be helpful for your listeners to, to look at the lives formula. And that would be slide number 30. And that’s where we this is what we build the Great orality living book around. So lives is an acronym, the L standing for learn the evidence, clinical, scientific and experiential, that clearly shows that death is not the end of life that itself is huge. The eye and live stands for internalize. It’s great news. In other words, we want it to be more than just a dry, superficial intellectual knowing. But a deep internalized knowing that stays with people. I’ve worked with numerous people who had a religious faith throughout their life. But when they were on in the on deck circle, they’re like, Whoa, are you sure these teachings are accurate, and this will get in pretty real for me, they were scared. And so it’s important to have an internalized knowing that helps us get to life’s toughest challenges. The V is for vitalize yourself holistically, just what we’re talking about, and body, mind and spirit, the E for enjoy the many benefits, there are so many wonderful benefits that we can make strong, substantiated inferences about for example, from near death experiences, we each are one with the one and part of energy source energy right now. Secondly, we know that we can communicate with our, quote, departed loved ones, that we each have meaningful reasons for being here in this place and time, even when it doesn’t seem like it. So he enjoy the benefits. And then they asked, serve others and yourself and make the world a better place. So we found that when people do this, then it transforms her life for the better in every aspect. They can enjoy the ride they can do what they came here to do. Makes life make more sense.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Um, you mentioned suicide, you know, and once in a while that topic comes up on this show. And I always think, well, you know, if we, if we could 1000s People listen to this, if we were to say something that would prevent even one of them from committing suicide, it would be a great accomplishment. And there was one fellow I interviewed who actually committed suicide himself because he had had some injury and he was in a lot of pain. And he had sort of this. I don’t know, to me, I thought it was a misinterpretation of of the whole reincarnation notion. He thought, Well, alright, this is I’m in a lot of pain, I’m just going to off myself. And I’ll, I’ll get a better body that doesn’t have this pain. And personally, I think he should have hung in there. I mean, I’m not in his shoes, but maybe he could have been helped. Maybe he could have gotten over the pain and continued on. I don’t know if it’s, well, before I ramble on any longer, what are your perspectives on that? I’m sure you have a lot to say. I’ll just let you take it.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, it’s a big topic, as are most of your questions. And I’ve written articles, by the way on almost all these topics. At soul proof calm on the home page, and I’d say there’s one when a loved one’s body dies by suicide. And when you are considering suicide, by the way, I tried to avoid the word commit. This man pointed out to me that you know, us commit murder committed adultery, she usually in a negative context. So try to avoid that with suicide because it’s people are suffering, sure and pain, whether it’s mental and or physical. There’s quite a few sides to it, but probably the number one thing I could share with people is this. It differs on the situation. For example, when I was 21 years old, my first love were gone together for years, which is long time when you’re 21 broke up with me out of the blue. And I felt suicidal when I was driving home 60 miles an hour on the highway and I thought, well, I, you know, I could just get away from this pain really quickly by driving my car into a tree and nobody know, they think I veered off the road or something and be like, No way, I’m not gonna do that, you know, I’m not gonna hurt my family, I’m not going to end my life abruptly like that. However, some people don’t have the support system I had or the balance, they’re in so much pain, there’s no judgment, they act impulsively and do that. So big demonstrate impulsive, 21 year old after the first heartbreak, versus a nine year old is sort of the long, full life but they’re clearly losing their physical and mental capabilities, don’t want to go to an Alzheimer unit don’t want to be a burden to their family, drain the finances, etc. The kids and grandkids could use in the process of listening to John Grisham audio book. And one of the characters in it talks about when he gets old and infirm. He said, When the diapers go on, the black pill goes down. I get it, you know, I will I will probably do the same. Because I don’t do well. I wouldn’t want to be and then reload and all that. So I can certainly understand that years ago, there was a unity, I think Unitarian Universalist minister, it was in New York. They were he and his wife were in their late 80s. He was losing her his mind, she was bedridden, and really failing physically, they didn’t want to burn, I think they didn’t have a child, they didn’t want burn anyone else. So they die by carbon monoxide poisoning. So some people say, Oh, that’s horrible, they kill themselves, God will send them to hell for that. And I say, good for them. They decided when and how they were going to pass death with dignity. But you know, people shouldn’t have to do it that way, they should be able to get a shot or a pill and are in our systems getting it, there are some states and countries. Allowing that. However, there’s one more thing I like to share about that. And then that is that some of the information I get is that I’m part of this, from Michael Newton’s work, some souls will get into the habit of bailing out too early, giving up. And so I would say, for a person, you know, hang in there, try as much as you can. Try not to take the easy way out, because it can be at times, but I’ll have a judgement about it. And there is also some evidence from mediums who will say they’ll they’ll channel through the person who passed by suicide, or the person whose bodies passed. Accurate language is important here. So the person didn’t die, the body then, but the person will be apologizing to loved ones. I’m sorry, I did this. I’m sorry. I put you through it. I wish I could do it over again. So it’s a big, big question. And ultimately, who has the say about the person but hopefully, and counsel with his support team, both on earth and in heaven?

Rick Archer: Yeah, I would just say to people, you know, don’t let all this talk about, you know, assurance of life, on the other side, give you a cavalier attitude toward life. On this side, I had a really good friend who I was quite close with, and he killed himself right around the time, shortly after I started this show about 10 years ago, he was only about 25 years old. And there was nothing wrong with him. He just, I guess went into a little period of depression, but he sort of philosophized so much about, you know, I could just check out any time and it won’t matter, you know, because life goes on. And I don’t think that we’re supposed to do it that way, like you said about, you know, checking out earlier bailing, because life isn’t going quite the way we like, I am sure that if he stuck around and sorted through whatever was troubling him, he would be an incredibly bright, productive person. He was really smart. And I miss him, you know, so I really hope that people take that to heart.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, one of the number one statements in suicide notes is I’m sorry, I just couldn’t take it anymore. And those who are more evolved souls and sensitives have who spoke before certainly on path x, it just becomes so difficult to stay here on Earth. And that’s why it’s so important to Girdhar aligns with this knowledge. Have kindred spirits have a tribe so that we can get through tough times?

Rick Archer: Yeah, I think that patients have often heard, respected spiritual teachers say that patience is one of the most important qualities on the spiritual path that you, you know, you need. And there are again great stories in various spiritual traditions about people who just hung in there through thick and thin. And in many cases, what they were going through turned out to be some kind of test. And because they hung in there, they pass the test. And they managed to you know, and then they attained some higher level of consciousness or some wonderful thing. So, you know, like Nietzsche said, whatever doesn’t kill me makes me stronger. I think that it’s important for people to just try to go the distance if they can, at all can I agree, without sounding too presumptuous. I mean, because you can’t really put yourself in another person’s shoes. And like you said, there could be instances where, where the situation is pretty hopeless, and, and it might be time to move on. Just don’t make that decision hastily.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, quality of life. A couple of years ago, a movie came out on Netflix, I can’t recall the name of a bed starred Robert Redford. And we on the cell phone project, we’re very excited because it was exactly the same as what we’re doing. At the top scientists in the world, had just proved life after death, Robert Redford. And where they went with this was horrifying. We waited so long, the why test, and they had lots of people around the world, dying by suicide or their bodies,

Rick Archer: because they knew there was something on the other side.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, they weren’t. They weren’t happy here on Earth. They were imbalanced. And rather than work to get balance, and they took the way out. So yeah, we hope people that don’t as well. And it’s important in this part of what I do with the radiant wellness, I mean, some of the commonly prescribed drugs have as their side effects. And the FDA requires a blackbox, warning, homicidal and suicidal ideation and behavior. So my God, what’s that about? Why should those kinds of drugs be available out there, so people have to watch out for that?

Rick Archer: Yeah, I just looked up a, quote, hang on a second. To get a human body is a rare thing. make full use of it. There are 4 million kinds of lives which is so can gather, after that one gets a chance to be human to get a human body. Therefore, one should not waste this chance. Every second in human life is very valuable. If you don’t value this, then you have nothing in hand, and you will weep in the end. Because your human God has given you the power to think and decide what is good and bad. Therefore, you can do the best possible action. You should never consider yourself weak or a fallen creature. Whatever may have happened to happened up till now. Maybe because you didn’t know. But now be careful. After getting a human body, if you don’t reach God, then you have sold the diamond at the price of spinach.

Mark Pitstick: Oh, what a great line. I didn’t see that one coming. Yeah, good. Yeah. Good, etc, lover of knowledge rock. I’m impressed.

Rick Archer: Oh, so are you man. I mean, you know, we both been devoting our lives to this stuff in our respective ways.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, and I would encourage listeners viewers to, to follow their bliss. I mean, you and I know how good it feels when we’re doing this. To reach some others help some others. And likewise, that’s available for all people. So again, there’s an article on my website. So proof that calm about how to identify and fulfill your soul’s missions, and accompanying audio product. And these are like $15 and $13. Not much at all, where I use deep hypnosis or relaxation, where a person can go within and consider what what are some of the clues signs that point to why I’m hearing this time and place that makes such a difference, as you know, when you’re doing it even a little bit versus the existential malaise that some people experience.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what can we say by way of conclusion, so that, you know, people can sort of have an overview of how they might plug into what you’re doing.

Mark Pitstick: I would say educate yourself about what’s out there. The the website, by the way to the soul phone project is soul And lots of articles and pages. There’s a soul Phone update has a link to the abstract for doctors one of Dr. Schwartz’s articles, science And then if you type in Dr. Gary Schwartz, you’ll see the abstract. So first of all people can educate themselves about the evidence that’s out there. Secondly, on my website, so, lots of free articles, newsletters, radio interviews I did with some of the people we mentioned, Raymond Moody, Brian Wise, Michael Newton, Wayne Dyer, etc. So there are a lot of resources out there you can use to educate yourself, prepare yourself. So no matter what you’re going through, you can make it better you can understand it, and make your life a work of art.

Rick Archer: Okay, and then in terms of participating, a person can actually get involved in a supportive way with the cell phone Foundation, right?

Mark Pitstick: Yes, we have a number of membership levels, starting with $5 a month contribution, and those people receive a free copy of the greater reality living ebook, as well as the newsletters. And then each level $10 a month, $20 a month goes up to finally at five or $10,000, one time donation, free readings with Mediums free admission to two events we’ll be doing early next year, we can talk about seed events and hope sessions. I’m having lunch with Dr. Schwartz and a tour of the lab, all of our books and audio products so people can visit the website. So involved to see the level of memberships and all the gifts that go with that.

Rick Archer: Okay. And obviously, a lot of the stuff you’ve been talking about involves equipment. That is very expensive, and, you know, people working full time to do this. So you’re not just sort of, you know, buying gold plated Cadillacs, or I think it takes money to support all this. All this work. Yeah, x.

Mark Pitstick: Actually, today, we have 20 wonderful volunteers for the Foundation, who helped me with PR, social media, IT project manager, etc. They don’t receive a set. I’ve been working on this for four years, probably averaging 40 hours a week, maybe 50. haven’t received a penny no has Dr. Schwartz and his wife, Rhonda, who’s won the head evidential medium. Now he has his professor salary, but they have not made a penny. They’ve spent lots of their money and time on this project over the last 12 years. So yeah, nobody.

Rick Archer: How do you support yourself? Well, through

Mark Pitstick: donations from visionary people, it’s It’s

Rick Archer: your personal easy, I’ve made a penny, how do you manage to pay the rent?

Mark Pitstick: Oh, I have my holistic practice, I have an associate that I own. So I make my fund and I still work eight hours a week. So yeah, it’s a blessing that I have that so that I can spend all this time, okay. But we’ve had donors over the years, just one way to kind of like, okay, we can’t go further, we’ve hit a brick wall as far as funding, and then somebody donate $50,000 allows us to go for a few more months. So we have a underlying assumption that all this is unfolding in the right time and the right way, with the right people. And we bow to the wisdom of the universe. Because we are told that the soul phone project is just a small part of a greater plan and design. And so we honor that. And when we run into walls, we say Okay, time to take a break, you know, time to be patient. Yeah.

Rick Archer: Well, you know, I mean, there’s all these people I interview and have been for all these years and people like yourself, and there’s, if you can, if you think of it, there’s a sort of visualize it. There’s this sort of golden Indras net kind of a network around the world of all these people pursuing spiritual development in in various ways that are suitable or appropriate for their, their, you know, personal makeup and capabilities. And it’s just kind of unprecedented. I mean, people have always been interested in this kind of thing, but the confluence of of so many factors now with our amazing telecommunications and the way knowledge can disseminate around the world and instantaneous Italy, and the dire need of the world for some sort of solution to problems which have not met, could exterminate life on Earth, or at least human life. All this is coming together at a very critical time, I think. And so anyone who’s making efforts along these lines is part of a very important enterprise. And we’re all like, team members on one big team, each playing different positions.

Mark Pitstick: Yeah, at the same time, we need to remember the big picture I heard Swami Rama speak years ago, he founded the Himalayan Institute, and at a Sufi conference in Asheville, and someone asked, Well, what about the world ends? And I was saying very close to him. And he just, he kind of smiled, okay, like the smile of what’s the term for the Buddha unbearable compassion, yeah, this little smile, and he said, your world might end but mine cannot. So it’s important that we define our world and ourselves in larger terms. So that yeah, we do everything we can to help many people and turn our world around. However, if it does, you know, blow up or human races exterminated. Life goes on, you know, maybe that’s part of what needed to happen to wake up a bunch of people. Oh, man, we screwed up. Well, I do that again. So it’s that it’s been described as walking on a razor’s edge. You love you care, you do everything I can at the same time, you know, the universe is perfect right now.

Rick Archer: Yeah, there’s a verse in The Gita, you have control over action alone, never over it’s fruits. So you do the best you can in the field of action. And then you accept the fruits of action, as not anything that was actually in your hands, you just, you know, you have control over action alone. But you know, a lot has invested in the development of a planet like this, when you think of how many stars had to live and die before we even had enough held heavy elements to make a planet and to make our bodies and all the billions of years of evolution that it’s taken. So it’d be a shame to see us blow it to bits, or overheat it to the point of extinction. It would be nice if we I think it’s well within the field of the realm of possibility that we could establish quite a heavenly existence on earth. I ought to strive for that.

Mark Pitstick: Me too. I love books and movies that end with happy endings. Yeah, I don’t like tragedies.

Rick Archer: Yeah. All right. Well, I guess that’s a happy ending. We can just end on that note, I suppose. So I will be putting up a page on bat gap comm with links to your several different websites. I’ve already put the page together, I’ll post it. And people can get in touch with you through your those websites and find out more about everything you’ve talked to today talked about today. Thanks, Mark.

Mark Pitstick: Well, thank you for sharing all this and all the great work you’re doing right.

Rick Archer: You’re very much welcome, sir. It’s a pleasure. And to those who have been listening or watching, thanks for doing that. And come to bat gap calm and check out the menus. And you’ll find a number of things that might interest you, such as audio podcast are various ways in which the past interviews have been indexed, you can sign up to be notified by email of, of new interviews as they come out. And also, if you’re just watching this on YouTube, you might want to subscribe to the channel. I think we’re up to 60 something 1000 subscribers now. And every once in a while I have some problem on YouTube that I need to figure out and you can’t get much help for them from them. But if you reach I believe you’ve reached the 100,000 mark in terms of subscribers, they assigned somebody as a contact to you that you can you can turn to if you get if you have some difficulty, so be nice go I wouldn’t mind hitting the 100,000 mark to see if that’s true. So, so please subscribe if you feel like Alright, Thanks, Mark. I’ll talk to you later.

Mark Pitstick: Take care now.

Rick Archer: Keep up the good work.