Rick Archer: My name is Rick Archer. Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. Buddha at the gas pump is an ongoing series of interviews with spiritually awakening people. There have been over 400 of them by now. If this is new to you, and you’d like to see other ones, please go to batgap.com and look under the past interviews menu, where you’ll see all the previous ones archived in various ways. This show is made possible by the support of appreciative listeners and viewers. So if you appreciate it and feel like supporting it, there’s a PayPal button on every page of the site, and much gratitude to those who have been supporting it. My guest today is Lakota John. And pronounce your name properly? Hoksila?
Lakota John: Hoksila Lakota
Rick Archer: Say it again?
Lakota John: Hoksila Lakota
Rick Archer: Good, it’s better that you pronounce these things than I. And I’ll just call you John, for simplicity’s sake. John is the first Native American person I’ve had on the show. A number of people have requested that, you know, we do a show about Native American spirituality. And so we’ll talk about that. But I think we’re going to broaden it out to talk about indigenous spirituality in general. And there’s some really interesting points that I think we can get into about the importance of the attunement of indigenous peoples to the sort of deeper laws of nature, and how important that is for the general society and how the reawakening of that attunement in indigenous cultures will have an impact on the larger society out of proportion to their numbers. Maybe if that doesn’t make sense to you, we’ll explain it as we go along. So let me just read a little bio of John. He is considered an Earth Man, and what’s the Lakota for Earth Man, John?
Lakota John: [**Ha, we, Joshua,]
Rick Archer: Thank you! Okay, good…who is deeply connected to all things, who understands their frequencies and how to move with and through them. John is, gracefully walks the balance between the world of spirit and the material world, and brings to us all unique combination of gifts and a great store of accumulated wisdom and sacred universal knowledge. And I should add that he dedicates himself to helping people–to helping troubled youth to, you know, helping people who are considering suicide or who are are mixed up in drugs. And also, he kind of walks his talk, I guess, you might say. John is down in New Zealand at the moment, and he spends a lot of time there, actually, and has been for a number of years. And in the course of this interview, he’ll explain why that is. So for starters, John, let’s get to know you a little bit in terms of like, you know, your childhood kind of, you know, anything that you find–A lot of times I interview people, and they had certain experiences during their childhood that were, perhaps, signs that later in life, they would be interested in spirituality. And then there’s almost a universal pattern where you get into your teenage years, and you kind of lose that innocence that you had as a child. And then, you know, if I’m interviewing them, they have somehow regained that innocence and that enthusiasm for deeper values of life. So how did that go for you? What was the pattern in your life?
Lakota John: Well, you know, it’s amazing that you say that, “The losing of innocence.” You know, to us, everything moves in sevens, conception to seven, seven to 14 , 14 to 21, 21 to 28. And it moves.
Rick Archer: When you say “us,” is that a Lakota tradition?
Lakota John: Well, yeah, I mean, everything kind of rolls within this diagram of the medicine wheel, and the four corners, and the the four directions. And what happens in life is when we go through traumatic events–Or sometimes we can even be born with different things and character defects, and so on and so forth. That take us off that course. That’s kind of like what we talk about in the betrayal of your inner self or your inner sense, you see, and once you do that you lose your identity. And before you know it, you become dyslexic, because good becomes bad and bad becomes good in your world. And then later on, you find yourself moving with attention deficit, because you can’t stay focused and single. Because when events come in, and traumatic events come into our lives that create this separation, there’s a wedge between the spirit and soul, and the soul and body and the body and mind and it just completely fragments us; or fragments the Sacred Hoop, or as [**Ozawa] our energetic field, the EMF. So when we go through events, and things come at us, it’s like, what we have this, it’s like the cell, for instance, when you take the cell, and you have your cell wall, and things get in, and then begin to distort and go after the nucleus. It’s no different from these things out there moving outside of us, they come into our worlds going into the spirit and soul of who we are. And that’s what creates, I truly believe, that separation that takes place through this thing that we go through and the betrayal of oneself.
Rick Archer: Yeah, I was thinking of how to–a young friend expressed interest in meditation, I was thinking of how I might describe it to her. And the thought that came to mind was that, you know, well, most deeply, we’re pure spirit. We’re the sort of vast innocent ocean of potentiality, bliss, intelligence, wisdom, whatever you want to call it. And the, just the sensory bombardment of life tends to overshadow that and that the old analogy uses, you know, the way the movies playing on a movie screen overshadow the screen, so you no longer see it. And then you begin to take the movie totally seriously. You forget about the underlying screen. And so meditation might be a way of sort of diminishing the intensity of the movie at least momentarily, so that you can kind of appreciate the underlying screen again, in this case, to appreciate your innermost nature, once again, no longer impacted or overwhelmed by sensory input. And if you do that regularly, frequently, that becomes a stable standard feature of your experience, so that you can enjoy the outer world while maintaining one foot in the inner world, so to speak. Would you concur with that explanation?
Lakota John: Yeah, I mean, you look at the World Wide Web, you know, it’s really easy to get stuck in that web. I deal with a lot of individuals that struggle with pornography and all sorts of different things that take them away from their original Self. I truly believe that, you know, there’s an inner Self that’s connected to a spiritual DNA, which ties back into the First Estate. And the second is the outer part, the micro of the macro, that ties us back into our genetic makeup and our thoughts and our bodies, our appetites. But that moves more on that, on that linear line that we talk about, that consists of mom and dad and cell and matter; they come together and create that biological side to us. But when we start looking at the vertical, we take it to a higher level of understanding because I truly believe that, when we connect the heart, and we go down this pattern here, this vertical, and connecting the unseen [I] with the garden, I would say, getting back to heart space and innocence, then things Ignite, you know, and when you’re open to the universe, you will receive the knowledge that you need to give to another human being.
Rick Archer: And how do we do that? I mean, it sounds good in principle, but in practice, how do you enable a person to do that?
Lakota John: Well, it’s actually getting out of the square. Getting out of square thinking. You know, a lot of us today…For instance, you know, you take the scroll, you know, that’s round, with ancient writing, that comes off the skin of a tree. You take the scroll with the ancient writing and stick it in a book with four corners, you get stuck in that book, no different from your television screen. No different from any institution that’s teaching you to step away from the Sacred Feminine, the round the earth. Everything God creates is round, when governments came into our world, they took us out of the teepee, which was round, and put us in square homes and we became sick. That was a prophecy of one of our ancestors that was talking about, you know, the round versus the square. And so when you look at your driver’s license, you look at your birth certificate, you look at all these, all these squares that we get stuck in, then we’re in the box. We’re not even original anymore. You know, so we have to get back to that, to that, the circle again, you see? And get back to the reality of life that we are spiritual beings out here, you know, sharing all this different knowledge that we bring with us from the First Estate.
Rick Archer: What’s the First Estate? What do you mean by that term?
Lakota John: We call it the Spirit world.
Rick Archer: Okay.
Lakota John: You know, when we’re Spirit, and we come down to earth, we have to connect to earth, to experience the breath of life and become the living soul. So each and every one of us had to come to earth to experience that exchange between the tree and man. So when you look at that exchange, it’s a universal exchange. And a lot of us say, hey, wait a minute, I’m gonna hold on to these gifts, because I’m not going to give it away because you have to pay for it, or, you know, this is mine, and that’s yours and create separatism within our worlds. So the tree doesn’t argue the tree continues to bear fruit. A tree doesn’t even argue when the seed gets pushed into the ground, you know, and so with us, it’s like somebody wrongs us and the first thing we want to do is get upset and hold them hostage.
Rick Archer: I heard initially, you’re involved in this Kauri restoration project, or you were at some point, and that’s the kind of tree in New Zealand and there’s a quote, you said, as if the tree were speaking, it said, “I am dying from the inside out. And so are you. Listen.” And there’s some really interesting stuff that you wrote about it, and about that, about how–well, maybe you could just elaborate a little bit about how you got involved in that. And what it was.
Lakota John: I came to New Zealand and I’m fascinated with trees, because, you know, we are basically you know, carbon copy of this thing called a tree, we have seed and soil, we come from mom and dad, and we grow and we basically produce fruit. I came out to New Zealand to take a look at some of the sacred trees, and I went and spent some time underneath the Kauri tree in fasting and prayer and song. And, you know, I was looking at the tree and I was trying to, there’s this die back disease, that’s attacking the tree, and it’s, and it comes in unseen. And they’re saying, Well, does it coming through the root? Where’s this coming from? Because the tree is dying. And so, you know, examining that I went into prayer, and the tree said, “Yeah, look at me, I’m dying from the inside out. And so are the indigenous people all across the board.” So what is this? What is this die back disease? What is this unseen enemy that’s coming in? Well, it’s pride, it’s ego, it’s drugs, it’s alcohol, it’s everything that’s negative, that’s coming in to destroy the human being. Or you could even say, the human cell, you know, it’s the nucleus, it’s the spiritual part of who we are, that’s under attack right now. And that’s the way I see it.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: And they should get back to understanding the tree of life. And you can say, hey, wait a minute, I’m gonna put the brakes on here. And I’m going to start cutting and pruning the tree, meaning thinning things out and getting things out of your life that don’t really serve you. Eating right, getting rid of bad habits. And before you know it, you’re at that place of living.
Rick Archer: You know, when you think about indigenous cultures around the world, and read about them. There’s a certain sense that at one point, maybe not that long ago, many, of them were kind of idyllic and produced and possessed a great deal of wisdom. You know, the Maori for instance, in its heyday, or the Native Americans or the Bushman of Southern Africa, certain cultures in the Himalayas and so on. And then Western culture kind of came crashing in to all these indigenous cultures and severely disrupted them. So, what was it about the indigenous culture? If it’s true that they all possessed a great wisdom and attunement with nature, and were ideal in certain ways, what was it about them that enabled them to be that way? And what is it about Western culture that ruined them essentially?
Lakota John: Well, it’s going back to the Circle and the Square. I was talking to an elder here in New Zealand. He was saying, Well, when I was a boy, our houses were round. But you know, the European came and started cutting down the ancient trees and milling them, and then created a square home for them, which they call the [**mother eye.] And the energy, the old guy was telling me that the energy didn’t flow the same. But it’s taking the indigenous people out of the round and putting them into the square, and then dumping all that left brain system on them, which is academia, changing the language changing the vowels: Ah, Eh, Ee, Oh, Oo to A E I O U. It breaks the frequency with prayer and connection to the star knowledge and the song, and our ancestors that walked the earth 2, 3, 4-500 years plus [ago]. But there’s nothing wrong with education, if you can retain your identity. There’s nothing wrong with religion if you could retain your identity. And what is that identity? It’s the spirit and soul of who you truly are. I always say that when the heart feels something and the breath says contrary, the words come off your tongue with a split. Because when a person doesn’t really speak what’s in their heart, then the tongue splits and they become devilish. They become the serpent–speak with a forked tongue,
Rick Archer: Right? White man speak with forked tongue? That old meme from the movies.
Lakota John: That’s because they came in with one idea, but yet they betrayed the people with another: Here, sign this treaty that we’re going to completely–
Rick Archer: Ignore.
Lakota John: Not even honor.
Rick Archer: Yeah. You know, one thing that came to mind, as you were speaking, is that, you know, there’s that whole thing from the Bible about God giving man dominion over the earth, and so on and so forth. And it seems to me that was kind of twisted to mean just, you know, exploit it to whatever extent you can. It’s all here for you, the animals are here for you, the trees are here for you. Do whatever you want them and live like, there’s no tomorrow, you know, but really, I mean, if you think of dominion as kind of stewardship, which may have been what the original Aramaic was trying to say, then you nurture it, you take care of it, like you would with your children, you know, you try to protect and nourish and help. But that’s not the way it went down. Is it?
Lakota John: Well, we’ve, basically stepped away from the blessing, because everything, even the air that goes in and out of our body is a blessing. The water, the water is sacred, and there’s a lot going on with the water. You take big corporations, and individuals that are completely–even the farming industry. You know, out here in New Zealand, it’s the nitrates and everything else, they’re dumping on the land, it’s, contaminating the water source, later on two more generations, where are we going to get to the clean water. And, you look at other countries that really struggled with having that clean water. But to me, I really believe like the stuff going on in South Dakota with the pipeline and everything that’s happening, what we really need to focus is the water within: our blood and how things move from our heart. You know, how the heart pumps blood throughout the whole body to sustain it. Now, is that blood pure? Is your intent pure? Is your heart pure, so that you can take action with that pure water flowing through you? Or have you been contaminated generations back and you have this hate going on within you or something going on to basically make the blood puddle they call it here in New Zealand–dirty. So these are things that we have to clean up within our lives. Before they go on outside of our lives.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: You see it. And so once we get it within, then immediately universe will change it on the outside. The macro of the micro.
Rick Archer: Now do you think it’s really true that if you go back four or 500 years, let’s take Native Americans for example. I mean, there have been indigenous cultures all over the world, but do you think that they really did have it together? And sort of really were attuned to nature? Because you hear stories of warfare among tribes and all sorts of hideous tortures and things that were being done. So even without the Western intervention, do you think there might have been a sort of a degeneration of the sort of attunement to natural law among the indigenous cultures that made them vulnerable to Western invasion?
Lakota John: Well, you know what, people in all cultures will slack from time to time, and not go out, harvest and do what they needed to do. Now, this is how in tune our people were of the plains on my dad’s side: Is when you go out to the plains, you can see for miles
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: So it’s like, where are the buffalo? Winter’s coming–How are we going to sustain ourselves? Well, the society, the buffalo society, would go out and prepare to actually call the buffalo in. So they would load the pipes, they would do the ceremony, they do the buffalo dance, they acknowledge the ancestors, and they would begin to send the smoke up. Our ancestors would pick up on that, and take it and push the buffalo to us. And then the buffalo scouts would go out into four directions until they spotted the buffalo and then it was okay, the buffalo are two ridges to the east, let’s get ready. So they would go out and prepare for the buffalo kill, they would pray with the horses, they would remove the sacred garment, they would go out and only take what the buffalo gave them. They didn’t take more than they needed. And even if the buffalo gave them say, you know, 30 buffalo for that season, then the community would come together, the tribe would come together and say we need to divvy this up, and do this the right way. So we don’t eat it all in one day, basically. And so everyone worked together in that communal space, to make it easier for the elders and the children; and, back in those days, everything moved in a matriarchal system, the matriarch held the lodge. The Earth was in a matriotic system. But when they came in with, let’s turn the Earth Mother and put it into the patriotic system, they knew that following Henry the Eighth, that that system would only sustain itself for maybe up to four generations. Because if you don’t have any men, guess what? Then comes seizure of properties and lands. So when you look at, say, New Zealand, when the land was in the matriotic system, it would go on forever. But when they took the land from the matriarch into the patriarch, then it would only last up to four generations, and then they can confiscate it. And that’s how the lands were [taken]. And not only that, we changed the frequency of Earth Mother to male. So what’s happening to our children today?
Rick Archer: Okay, so to reiterate, you’re saying that the sort of more traditional native cultures had a matriarchal–
Lakota John: Yes.
Rick Archer: …Foundation. And the European or Western cultures which came in were patriarchal, and they kind of disrupted that balance. That’s what you’re saying, essentially?
Lakota John: Exactly.
Rick Archer: Okay.
Lakota John: And it came with church, it came with church, government, belief systems, you know. Look what happened to Henry the Eighth, when he couldn’t have a child, he split the church of Rome, because he married another because he needed to leave his heirship. They just followed suit. And they figured, well, if we can convince the indigenous people to do the same, you know, then things will happen, where we can go in in a few generations, and basically confiscate lands.
Rick Archer: Yeah. And people were forced into Christianity. And they were forced, I mean, beaten, if they spoke their native tongue, they were forced to speak English and so on. So this was basically just a complete disruption and destruction of the cultures.
Lakota John: They were even forced into incest. You know, I mean, there’s a lot of stuff that that’s taken place in indigenous country that, man, it’s been a rough journey for our people, for all the indigenous.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: And I work with the aboriginals as well in Australia, and they have the same story. But what we’re doing now is we’re actually going back into the cell memory, and going back generations, because in my practice, we heal from back to front. We don’t just deal with the immediate. We look at, we chase these disorders back and corner them and then actually take them completely out of the individual’s life. You know…
Rick Archer: Let’s explore that a little bit. That sounds interesting. I mean, because we could sit here all day and talk about the atrocities that were committed since the time of Christopher Columbus. And if people want to know more about that there are all sorts of books written about it. But you know, what you’re doing is I mean you’re not, I don’t think you’re dwelling on that overly. You’re offering something which can heal that.
Lakota John: Well, that’s the thing, you know what, when you–when you–hold on to traumatic events, you become acidic, and you become very ill. Degenerating, you know, you’re holding on to the past, and you’re stuck there. And we all have a past, and our ancestors live, you know with us, because they’re part of our genetic makeup, on that linear level, as well as vertical because they’re connected to–We believe that they’re in the wind, and they’re in everything, you know. And so when we, when we actually take a breath, and we walk for the many, and we walk as a person that’s principally driven and virtually grounded, and we’re the pure love that we are, we stand here proxy for our ancestors that have taken the journey. And when we begin to look at our truth, and our integrity and everything else, it comes from within. And we’re just, our ancestors are saying, “Hey, well done. Keep it up.”
Rick Archer: Let’s talk about ancestors for a minute. In Hinduism, they’re called the Pitris in the Vedic culture. And there are all sorts of rituals that are done to help the Pitris to uplift them, to liberate them, and so on. And it’s considered to be a reciprocal arrangement, you know, you help them they help you. So elaborate on that a little bit in terms of your understanding of the Native American culture.
Lakota John: Exactly. Well, that’s just like, [**are they washed by our yacht,] they are those ancestors that have taken the journey that, you know, we there is no separation between us and our ancestors, you know, to us, by by saying a name, we invoke them, and they come into our place, and time. And society teaches you that the earth and this life is it, so do all that you can, to to eat, feed the animal, and then later on, worry about it when you get to the other side. But in my life, I used to like to drink and carry on. And that was feeding the animal, these lower realms, but I was stuck there. And once I started, basically spiraling in and getting to the the, the the inspiring part of me, then I started to ASPIRE and spiral up and starting to connect more and more with my ancestors in the unseen world. Because to us, we put more focus on the unseen rather than the seen.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: And that’s just like the tree. When you look at the tree, you see the tree, but you don’t see the root system. But the plant’s all interconnected, they have a network, no different from you and I here now.
Rick Archer: Yeah. So I guess this gets a little bit metaphysical, but is the understanding in your culture that ancestors, that once people die, they become ancestors living in the sort of the spirit world? And it just goes back infinitely, like, you know, any number of generations? Or is there just this–it’d get kind of crowded up there? Or is there a sense of reincarnation, where people come back again? Or how’s it work?
Lakota John: Well, you know, that’s a dangerous place to go, you know, because, you know, I worked with a pedophile. Once it said, “Well, I’m going to continue to do what I’m doing, because I’m going to come back and get it right, maybe on the next round and the next round.” And I said, “Whoa, you know what, good on you. Because I’ll tell you what, I don’t think the Creator would allow you to come back and continue to adulterate the creation. So you can go on thinking that.” But to me, like I say, our connection with with our people never never ended, there was it was never severed, basically.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: And that’s why with us, we have point zero limits to what we believe. And that’s how we can connect with the eagle and actually see things from up there looking down. That’s how we could name say, [**a boss, a soft power] or the heart of America, looking at the Black Hills. Looking at the heart, it looks like a heart from up above, or like the Maori people naming the island the Sting Ray, because they knew how to astral travel and get out of the body because there was no limitation to their belief and connection to the stars and everything else. It was the world like–
Rick Archer: There are those Nazca lines or whatever they’re called in Peru, which, you know, you can only see from an airplane but that are you know, perfectly straight for long distances and they don’t know how they made them, you know, but kind of like what you’re saying.
Lakota John: Yeah, and that’s yeah, you know, we rely a lot on on science where, you know, science is here and senses is here, you know, and our people stayed in senses. They didn’t really go into science because they didn’t have anything to prove. They didn’t have to go out and say, “Well, I’m going to, you know, prove this and prove that and look at how smart I am. Look at the knowledge I carry and look at the degrees that I have hanging on my walls.” Well, that’s just, you know, knowledge, what about your life, what’s in your heart, what’s coming out of your mouth? And to me, when I work in, in the in the profession that I work in, it’s real easy to look at somebody and look at their state of being, and you can actually look at their heart and say, Okay, well what created this, you know, you got sorrow written all over you. And you’re, and you’re not deep breathing and you’re sighing and you know, your lymphatic system’s shut down. So, you know, what can we do about that to change it, because to us, everything comes in energetically, before it manifests in the physical.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: And when it starts to manifest in the physical, then you know, that somewhere down the line, it’s creeped in, at a root level, it’s taken you completely off track. And so getting to that level of helping people heal is really, the, the chore and and what we really need to be getting to now is to basically develop those talents and attributes that we bring with us, from the spirit world that live in our internal self.
Rick Archer: Yeah, a little while ago, you held up a feather very briefly, and you refer to horizontal and vertical. And so I think what you’re saying here is that, you know, yeah, there you go. That looking–Just today, I saw some, somebody sent me some quotes from Einstein, you know, there’s that famous quote about trying to solve a problem on the level at which it was created is kind of like, you know, absurd or insanity. And so what you’re what you’re getting at, I believe, is that trying to solve problems, or trying to change life, just by remaining on the horizontal level at which you already reside, isn’t going to get you very far, you need to sort of access the vertical, and sort of get down to the sort of deeper values of the spirit which underlie the apparent superficial values of life. Is that what you’re saying?
Lakota John: They say the longest journey is from here to here. And when you can get out of your head and get into your heart, you’re into your innocence or inner sense. When you can get to the inner sense, you’re back in this this place called the Garden of Eden. But once you get to the garden, remember, there are trees in the garden, which is the tree of good and evil: duality. And it says, Well, partake of this tree and this apple tree and bite into this and you will surely die. Well, when you play with this, this thing called duality, you’re dying spiritually, because you’re playing with dark and light constantly. And then you go over to the Tree of Knowledge and say, Okay, well, this is working for me, because I’ve stepped away from the tree of duality, but I’m playing with knowledge. But honestly, if you can take the journey back from heartspace, to here, which is where the Tree of Life resides to us, in this area here, in the pineal, and pituitary and you can get underneath that tree of life, then things really make sense, then, you know, that life goes on because we are we are immortal. You know, we’re infinite, the Spirit inside of us, the soul inside of us. What we don’t want to do is take the journey, where there’s spirit and soul division, where the Spirit goes one way and the soul goes another and that’s why when I when I share with people when you tell the lie, you split yourself.
Rick Archer: By spirit, do you mean the sort of the Universal Spirit and by soul you mean individual soul? Is that what you how you were using those terms?
Lakota John: Well, there’s there’s four parts of us. There’s there’s the there’s the spirit, the soul, the body and the mind. Okay?
Rick Archer: And distinguish between spirit and soul, what you actually mean by those terms.
Lakota John: The soul to us lives within the breath of life. That’s the essence of who we are. Okay, that’s what they called the Maori or the [**one Nia] is the is the essence of that gives us life, but the spirit the spirit has its has its true identity. We come from the spirit world with attributes and talents and identity. Now what happens is the square system tells you, “Well, your identity lives here. And this is what you should be.” But but this is surrogate power. Because what happens is the mind begins to try to govern the heart when it should be the other way around where the Spirit ends up governing the mind. And the mind begins to obey the Spirit because when you begin to take a thought into the body, you actually start thinking in reverse order. So in the Medicine Wheel when we go clockwise, we go mental, and we go spiritual, emotional, physical and back up into the mental. When we go counterclockwise it goes mental, physical, emotional, or, or in the soul level back to spiritual. So we’re going backwards. So what happens is, everything that we do is in reverse order, because it becomes a thought. And then the body automatically says, “Well, I think that would be good for me,” rather than really even checking with the spirit and soul, if it’s good, good for you. Because the spirit and soul will never betray you, your innocence will never betray you, but your mind will get you into trouble. Because it did for me for many years. So every time I get a thought, I take it to the spiritual side of me and say, “Well, is this really good? What is it? Is it going to edify me and help me get to higher places of aspiration?” And immediately if it’s not Spirit will reject it and say, don’t even go there. Because a lot of times, like I say, when we go left spinning, we take from the mind to the body, and then we sell the soul, because we believe that the soul is in the breath of life. When God breathed into man and woman, they became the living soul in the creation story. So the soul is what goes through division. In life, it’s not the spirit that’s divided, but a lot of people say it’s just mind, body, soul. But that’s not truth. It’s mind, body, soul, and spirit. Or spirit, soul, body, mind when it’s when it’s moving clockwise, because either we’ll go counterclockwise on the wheel, or we’ll go clockwise. So today, you have societies moving in thinking in reverse order. And that’s what that’s what creates that thing called dyslexia. Because we betray our innocence and good becomes bad and bad becomes good. And so everything we see is completely opposite. And then it creates attention deficit disorders, because our house is divided. We’re looking at life through this linear line, where we’re looking at this and looking at that, and never really looking up to get to here. To get to those higher levels, even in meditation, you can go into meditation. But a lot of people say, “Well, hey, we got to just tear down the walls.” But in a home, there’s weight bearing walls that shouldn’t be torn down, because the roof will come down on you. And there’s, there’s things that we have to be careful with when we step into that realm. Because we don’t want to just become open to whatever is out there. Because a sexual energy can come in. And before you know it, all you’re thinking about is sex.
Rick Archer: Yeah, I got an email from somebody not long ago. And she was talking about this young man who needs help. And he is so cracked open that he’s, you know, hearing everybody’s thoughts and he’s just getting all this information that he doesn’t know how to deal with and, you know, he just doesn’t have any grounding. He’s, it’s this kind of thing is happening to a lot of people these days, that there’s a sort of a, an openness without any shield, without any filter. And they they’re overwhelmed, they become incapacitated.
Lakota John: Well, that’s, that’s because of the generation, the seventh generation that’s here today that’s going to reboot this, this new spirituality, that’s, well, actually, it’s an old spirituality, but they’re gonna separate the common sense from the nonsense, because there’s a lot of nonsense. And there’s a lot of fairy stuff out there. And there’s a lot of duff out there. And people are finding when they start going down these paths, later on, they’re completely bankrupt. And so they’re like, well, this isn’t working for me anymore. But this is what I’ve given up. I’ve given up my power to this person, and, and now they’ve sucked the life out of me. So what do I do? I’m working always in damage control. People that I meet are, are like, “Hey, this happened. This, happened.” I’m like, Well, hey, I’m just glad you’re here today, you know, so this will we get sorted through it and put you back together again. Here at the Four Winds and Valor, we we do that type of work with people, constantly.
Rick Archer: People who are sort of–well, I think what I just heard you say was that there are a lot of special souls being born whose whose role it will be to help bring in the sort of a more enlightened world and a lot of these people don’t they have some, some difficulties to go through before they’re ready to play that role. And for some, it’s a very difficult transition.
Lakota John: Or, actually connecting with those that can actually lead them and guide them in that way.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: Because if you take a young person that you know their mind is wide open. It’s like in our in our tribal societies–When you took a kid acting out, like it was acting out like a horse, immediately, you would say, well, the horse is connected to that child, and that child will grow up and probably come part of the Horse Society. And then they, they’re so connected to the horse that, you know, it’s, they’re inseparable. And what happens is, you take them and you develop that talent. And then you place them in that in that stewardship. No different from a buffalo society and medicine society, any type of society. Today, you take a kid that’s born with these talents, and immediately they say, Well, wait a minute, you need to be a lawyer, or you should be an electrician, or, or, Hey, dancers don’t make good money, and you like to dance, and they want to deprive you of, of this passion that you have inside, because they want to put you in a square system. And I think it’s important that, that when our children are born to look at really look close at the attributes, and what they carry, and what they aspire to, so that you can build on that, rather than focusing on their F, you know, like, like, education, they focus on the F, and forget about what you’re good at. And before you know it, you have a serious complex, you know, because things are not working for you, and you can’t bring the F up, or whatever happens in life.
Rick Archer: A lot of times I’ve heard you say, you know, we believe or, you know, such and such and you’re kind of referring, I believe, to your, you know, your native culture’s wisdom. Are you referring to Lakota culture? And I have another follow up question. Let me have you answer that one first.
Lakota John: I think it’s, you gotta remember that on the Medicine Wheel, there’s four colors, there’s red, yellow, black and white. The red man represents the indigenous people, the earth people, the yellow man represents the Asian, which is the one that balances the yin and yang, the black people, they’re athletic, they’re dancers, the Africans, the white people are the analytical thinkers. So in that Medicine Wheel, it’s balancing the spiritual, emotional, physical, mental, the attributes of the four colors, to bring it to your corner, your center.
Rick Archer: So–
Lakota John: I’ll always remember the way–mm-mmh?
Rick Archer: Oh I was just gonna say, so say, that must be a relatively new understanding. Because a few 100 years ago, Native American people would not have even ever seen yellow or white or black people, you know, before the–
Lakota John: Like, well, this, this was prophecies that came through our ancestors and elders.
Rick Archer: Oh!
Lakota John: No, no different from the, you know, the four colors coming together under the sacred tree.
Rick Archer: So it’s an ancient prophecy that was prophesied even before those people showed up.
Lakota John: Right. Right, right, you know, coming coming together as a people as a collaboration, which is happening now, more of our indigenous people are becoming more open to share spirituality, because life won’t go on and with this separatism, and, and you go that way, and I go this way. And we have to come together, to share that knowledge and bring it all together for this generation, to groom them to be great thinkers and great leaders. But like I say, one has to really get to know themselves, they know themselves on that on that vertical, or the horizontal line, their genealogy and their genetic makeup. But to go back to the vertical line, and really connect with sky and earth, which is, which is the spirituality in the soul, the Spirit in the soul of who we truly are. Remember, we had to touch ground before we became the living soul, we had to come to earth to understand that exchange, and the law of correlation. You know…
Rick Archer: When, I mean, if you look at a map of, you know, the original North America and all the where all the various tribes were located, you know, there are a whole lot of them all over the place. And was there any sort of inner communication? And was there a sort of a deeper sharing of wisdom and knowledge? Or were they pretty much autonomous and, you know, out of out of touch with one another, each developed their own their own wisdom?
Lakota John: Well, I believe that they were kind of like, they branched off, you know, just like when they populated an area, they moved to other areas, say the hunting was better there. And, you know, and, and I think, you know, it’s like, every tribe has bits and pieces, that’s all going to come together as well, but it’s encoded, it’s really encoded, because the reality to it is, is when you actually go to the inner self, you actually go in and find that truth that lives within you already, it isn’t something that you have to search for in a book or on the internet, it’s encoded in you. And so when you get to that place, you can actually peel the layers of the program that’s gone in your ear and begin to take a look at the inner self. And that’s when all the knowledge starts coming back.
Rick Archer: Hm. So first of all, if you were a scholar of Native American spirituality, which maybe you are, but you know, would you say that, okay, if we look deeply enough, there is a sort of a deeper connection between, say the Hopi in the southwest and the Algonquin in the northeast and so on, there was a sort of a fundamental unity unity between all these cultures, even though there might have been superficially some diversity and difference.
Lakota John: But yeah, I mean, the thing is, is remember, if we all come from one place–
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: We already know, we already know the, you know, the dialog, we know why we’re coming to earth, if you stop and really take a look at what you’ve been called to Earth to do, and what you’ve been elected to do while you’re here in this mortal state, then the reality is, is what else is there? Because if we’re only looking at this, this linear genetic makeup, and what we’ve learned as knapping an arrowhead and evolving, that’s really going to just go back into the earth. But let’s talk about this talk about this eternal life or looking at where we’re going after this life. You know, what are we creating here in this life, so that we can transition without the division of spirit and soul and, and leave with a death song. And in our culture, every tribal member had a death song and that transition wasn’t a bad thing. But you take religions and hell and fire and brimstone and all this fear it all it just creates, I don’t want to die. And I want to go on forever in this horrible state. Let me go have some plastic surgery and try to look the best I can because I don’t want to go looking, you know. So I mean, it is what it is. I mean, to me, if you can create that beautiful state and that beauty that you are within, then you really don’t have anything to worry about.
Rick Archer: So what do you do on a, like a daily basis to enrich and deepen your own connection with spirit?
Lakota John: I sleep to about three in the afternoon. No, I, what I usually do is, you know, in the mornings at four o’clock, I’m always up at four 3:30, 4 in the morning, because that’s that’s quiet time for me, reflection. And I go into meditation or prayer, or drum songs out and really converse with universe, “What would you have me do today? Because I’m a servant, basically, you know, give me an experience today to share my love, my experience faith and hope with another human being to help them get to a better place.” Because to me, it’s like, we’re not healers. We just come in with the toolbox and say, here, this tool does this, this tool does that. To me, everything’s about numbers and, and diagrams and [**see touch and dues] is when I when I work with people, it’s let’s look at conception to seven, let’s dissect at that seven years of your life. What took place? What were mom and dad thinking at the time of your conception? Was it scarcity? Was it fear with because we’re born with all of that on a on a physical side.
Rick Archer: (Laughter) So then–Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Lakota John: I’ll share a story with you.
Rick Archer: Please.
Lakota John: I um, I was born two months premature.
Rick Archer: Wow.
Lakota John: My sister, my sister was extremely ill. She was a firstborn. So in that time, my parents were filled with grief, because they didn’t know whether she was going to make it or not. Then I came on scene. And my mother had that same fear as I was in the womb, so that that fear was so unbearable, I had to come out. I came two months early, but I was put in an incubator, and I never connected with my mother’s breast. And so with that, every time my mother tried to put me down, I would scream in a panic. Through all my adult life, I was out searching for my mother’s breast in one failed relationship after another. Until I went back, I went into sweat lodge and prayer and found out that hey, this this thing happened way before you even took the breath of life. And so going back to my mother to making the wrong right. Before you know it, it was like the healing took place within me, because I said, “Forgive me for being born at that time.” And then my appetites for, for the breast fell by the wayside. I didn’t have to go looking for relationships. But it took me having to go back, before I could move forward to really look at these character defects that I was born with. And it was a beautiful thing because it enlightened my world in in recovery and teaching people how to take traumatic events and deal with them, so that they do not live in the cell memory. And it isn’t just in your brain. It’s throughout your whole body.
Rick Archer: Yeah. And so for you, sweat lodge, prayer, drumming, chanting, things like that.
Lakota John: Fasting, praying.
Rick Archer: Fasting, praying, yeah. And so then when you work with others, now you pretty much give them the same tools?
Lakota John: Oh, yeah. You know, we start–to me, it isn’t hard to look into an individual’s eyes and look at what’s there. The eyes are the windows to the soul, you know, you can look into the eyes and do a little bit of iridology and start looking at traces and, and looking at their hands and looking at their hair, and you know, the features on their face. And before you know it, you’re pulling things out of them that they wouldn’t really share with another human being. And then you can give them the tools to fix it. You know, rather than just saying, “Well, I’m going to use Freud’s work or Jung’s work, and I’m going to diagnose you with this.” And then you’re going to accept it, then you’re going to go see a doctor and get some medication for it.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: Because, you know, the diagnostic moves from spirit to spirit. When I meet people, it’s like, do I have the permission to speak to your inner self, which is your which is your spirit? Because our spirits will communicate, and they will not lie. But if I sit back, back and I’m moving on ego or pride and I’m using somebody else’s work, guess what? I’m going to misdiagnose.
Rick Archer: And so if they give you that permission, then you kind of tune into them, and you’re able to offer them something to reconnect themselves with Spirit.
Lakota John: Right. And then we started looking at the physical end of it,
Rick Archer: Like health, diet and things like that?
Lakota John: Yeah, yeah. Testing the blood, what’s living in the blood? You know, why? Why the nucleus is under attack? You know, why the cell walls is weak? You know, we have to look at all that.
Rick Archer: Yeah. So it sounds like you’re taking a blend of ancient and modern, I mean, you’re referring to pineal and pituitary and DNA and, and, you know, cell walls. And this is all stuff that the Native American cultures didn’t even know about. So it sounds like you’re taking the best of both worlds and coming up with, you know, therapies.
Lakota John: Yes. We did know about, we did know about it, because this is our culture right here. The sweat lodge.
Rick Archer: Okay. But–
Lakota John: You see, and the sweat lodge is a cell.
Rick Archer: Yeah…
Lakota John: Going into going into the lodge is actually going into the cell memory, and extracting.
Rick Archer: Okay.
Lakota John: So it was–but you got to understand that you go back two, 300 years, we didn’t have the issues that we’re having today. You know, we didn’t have–I’ll share something with you. People today that are basically diagnosed schizophrenic. In our culture, it was a blessing. Because those people work between the two worlds, they were given their own teepee, they were given their own teepee, their own lodge, because when you wanted to connect with an ancestor that’s passed, you would go directly to them, and they would channel and they would, they would give you the answers from the unseen world, to the, to the visible seen world. So that, it was held in high regard. If a man was born with, you know, who was feminine, say, and had feminine traits, he didn’t go out and say, “Well, I’m gay, I’m going to sleep with all the warriors.” What he did was he was celibate. And what he would be able to do is sit in a female circle, as well as a male circle, and be able to balance those two energies, you see. And they were held in high regard. Because a man that could sit in a female circle, and have the virtue to even bring in the principle, without it being distorted, was a gift.
Rick Archer: Right. Interesting. So this two questions come to mind from that. Well, the second one was, so are you suggesting that gay people are a bit misguided if they have relationships with the same sex–
Lakota John: No, no.
Rick Archer: …That they should…or what are you saying?
Lakota John: I’m not suggesting any of that. What I’m suggesting is we have to look at whether it’s love or stimulation.
Rick Archer: Uh, huh.
Lakota John: That’s one thing.
Rick Archer: So a loving relationship, a same sex relationship, your culture would be would have been cool with or–but you said they’re supposed to be celibate.
Lakota John: No, back back back in the day people had more will and they would say it wasn’t even about a sexual thing. You know, back in the day, if somebody felt like that it…I mean, that’s where I’m at today, you know, my whole life doesn’t revolve around sex, right? That’s just as that’s just an energy in motion. That’s just a stimulation. My love comes from here, not my sex gland.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: You know, and so to me, I love myself, I’m married to myself. So this way I could even be married to you. But and the reality is, is that doesn’t mean that we’re attracted to each other, we’re gonna go sleep and stimulate one another.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: It’s, it’s being connected on that level. So to me, if we can get past the animal, which is, which is the sex part, then I really believe we examine ourselves, we can get it right.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: So I’m not saying it’s right. Or I’m saying it’s wrong, because I, I have a lot of gay friends and I love them to death.
Rick Archer: Sure, you know, but you’re saying that to speak in maybe tantric terms, you’re saying that the energy has, can be sublimated and raised up so that it’s down, not down in the second chakra, it’s risen up to the heart chakra.
Lakota John: Exactly.
Rick Archer: And that one can live from there.
Lakota John: Exactly.
Rick Archer: Okay.
Lakota John: And that’s the thing. That’s the thing about evaluation. And that’s, that’s the thing about right thinking. Or even getting into that place of examining where these thoughts are even coming from because we go and take a thought and we’ll either move it into the into the body, or we’ll take it to the Spirit.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: And I’ll tell you right now, that’s that’s where the battle that’s where the battle exists. Because when I fall into the body, I’m in the animal, I just want to do I’m pleasure seeking when I fall into the body, but if I take it to the Spirit, the Spirit might say, don’t eat for three days.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: Let’s put this body in check. And so immediately, I’m putting the body in check, because the Spirit is saying, hey, there’s a struggle going on here. If you take for instance, in Christianity, the Master before he became the Master, what did he do? He went on a hilltop for 40 days. And then what happened?
Rick Archer: Yeah, go ahead, continue.
Lakota John: So he goes on, he goes on this [**hunt gletscher] on a vision quest, right?
Rick Archer: Mm, hmm.
Lakota John: And the first thing he overcomes is his appetites, when they say, “Hey, turn the stones into bread.” Okay, second thing he overcomes was his ego. And then he overcomes his pride, and then says, “Get behind me.” And then the angels come and minister. Well, what does that what does that really telling us? If we can get if we can overcome the world, then we can we can have angelic beings, celestial beings minister unto us. So we have to get out of the animal, we have to get out of our ego, we have to get out of our pride. And then, then we have the reception. It’s like, to me, when I work with people, what does it take to to to have a connection with with another individual, it takes a proposal, it takes an engagement, it takes a wedding and a reception. What am I proposing today, to quit what I’m doing, you know, how would I engage with it? How will I marry it and fuse it so that my reception can be turned on? So I can be switched on at all times? If I don’t have a proposal, then I sure in the heck ain’t gonna have an engagement because what am I going to engage with? So So without the engagement, where does the marriage come? The marriage comes from marrying the heart, the breath and the tongue. And that’s when you speak your truth. And then nothing but pure thoughts and images move into you because the mind goes through a renewal process. But you have to get to the innocence, you have to go through the integration, the marriage before you can have that renewal of the mind.
Rick Archer: Hmm.
Lakota John: Because there’s so many programs in there that keep us from our highest good. And so much division, attention deficit, dyslexia, and here we are self destructing. Does that make sense?
Rick Archer: Yeah, it does. And a couple questions come to mind. One reason–People didn’t see me do this, but you saw me turn around a minute ago. And it was to pick up this book, which was written by the woman I interviewed last week. And it was about a young man who was basically diagnosed as schizophrenic, and, but who was like, incredibly deep, intuitive person and basically misunderstood. And he foresaw his own death and drew pictures of it, he was struck by lightning–who could who can predict that? And then she, she’s began communicating with him once he was on the other side and came through with all kinds of interesting and profound, uplifting evolutionary, you know, information, which was helping his parents and all kinds of other people. So I just found it interesting that, coincidental but–and interesting that you mentioned that in the native culture, schizophrenics were actually considered to be people who had a foot in both sides, you know, who are tuned into Spirit. Yeah. So there’s that.
Lakota John: Both worlds. I mean, I worked with with a woman out here that was diagnosed schizophrenic 15 years under every medication under the sun. And there’s a thing–Genealogy out here is huge in New Zealand and in our in our indigenous world. To understand what we come from before we understand where we’re going.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: Now this woman basically held the genealogy for both sides of her family. Now, I worked with her for a year and a half, sweat lodging, prayer, fasting, we finally found that the genealogy–the voices that she was hearing were the people that were connected to her through genealogy. And there was work that she had to do for them. And once she, once she started connecting on those levels, the voices started fading out. And today she’s a productive individual moving in society and off of medication.
Rick Archer: So they were just trying to get through to her and she wasn’t–she was ignoring them.
Lakota John: Right. She wasn’t channeling in, she didn’t know where where this was coming from. So she wouldn’t see it. She she goes out and sees a doctor, they diagnose her, boom, here’s medication, da-dah-dah, and she was still loopy. You know, even with medication and still hearing the voices and they weren’t going to stop. But we started unveiling that and really going back and taking a look at it. It was a beautiful thing to see this woman come back. I’ll tell you, when she first came into my presence. I wouldn’t even touch her.
Rick Archer: Yeah. Yeah.
Lakota John: She was so so vexed. And so contaminated. It was like, Well, wait a minute, you know–she was laughing, crying, you know, just completely out there.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: But, you know, she was just tormented. You know? And so, yeah, I believe that there is, there is, hope. If you can dig deep, and you know, it’s, it’s really hard for, you know, for that system, to, to say that, say the the mental health system to coin this, to model it and package it. Because each individual clinician and therapist really has to know themselves before they can work with another human being. And a lot of times that clinician and therapist is so sick, they have no no business working with, with with their clients, because they’re not in touch with their inner self, not saying all of them are like that. But the majority of them are because they want to save the world. And that’s no different from healers. They want it–they want the outside experience, because really inside they’re saying I need help.
Rick Archer: Yeah. Interesting. So you have this sign behind you, Valor and Tonic, and, which is I guess the name of the organization you’re working with and through there in New Zealand. And there’s some kind of–it says the Wellness Center down beneath that. So is that an actual physical building that you have like a center or clinic?
Lakota John: We do, we we have a clinic here we do acupuncture, a lot of different stuff, raindrop therapy, but we have [**an Anon,] as well as a outdoor facility where we do the sweat lodging and the questing and sorts of Native American crafts. What I’ve done is I’ve taken our Four Winds organization, we have a Four Winds wellness in America, Australia and New Zealand that we basically kind of work in different areas to be able to facilitate and give to the people what they need.
Rick Archer: Where’s the one in America?
Lakota John: In St. George area.
Rick Archer: St. George Utah?
Lakota John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Rick Archer: Oh right. Okay. Yes, we have a mutual friend that you were talking to about that.
Lakota John: I’ve worked on a lot of different wellness centers and actually trained people how to, to use the programs that we do to take people through the rites of passage, taking them into a place of connecting. And, yeah, there’s just a really deep level of what we teach at Four Winds. The Sacred Hoop ceremony and seminars that we teach–drum workshops, rhythm, frequency, colors, therapy, because there’s systems in the body that basically connect to the colors. And so when we take people through color therapy immediately, when they see a specific color, it basically takes us back into the system. Whether it’s the root, the sex gland, the adrenals, the spleen, solar plexus, liver, heart, lungs, throat, pineal, pituitary, crown, and your energetic field. So, you know, there’s colors connected to it, they basically reveal where the trauma’s at and where it’s residing.
Rick Archer: So it sounds like you have a whole potpourri of different therapies and tactics, some of them kind of traditional and ancient and originating from your culture and others, maybe from modern sources. You’re just kind of taking whatever works and…
Lakota John: Yeah, then that’s the thing you got to intermarry, everything you know, and the more, the more tools you have in your tool box. As long as you’re connected to Spirit, you’re not going to misdiagnose.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: You know, whether it’s rapid eye therapy, whether, you know, I mean, it’s to me, it’s, like I say, if I, if I spent five minutes with you, and you’re in my office and we’re in our, in our space, you’re immediately revealing to me what’s really going on within you. And so, if we can build that relationship, and get past the fear and the separation and “Oh, and you’re white, nonnative and black,” and, you know, get get all through that, then we can get to that place of of wellness. And, you know, taking you to higher levels of understanding and where it really came from. And yeah.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: It should get you more to, to a healthy state.
Rick Archer: How many people are you working with at any given time in these clinics or centers?
Lakota John: Well, you know, what, I I’m working with 15, 20 at a time, sometimes 150 at a time.
Rick Archer: Bigger meetings and things. Yeah.
Lakota John: Yeah. You know, I do I do different, you know, say one on ones. We’ll do group work, where, you know, we–To me, I like to explain everything. So this way, when they say go into the Sweat Lodge, they know what they’re getting. They know what each direction means. They know, you know, the song and whatever’s going on in that Lodge. It’s not a mystery.
Rick Archer: Yeah. And I suspect that you do the sweat lodge in a safe and responsible way, because there was some guy who I don’t think knew what he was doing. Who killed a couple people in Arizona, you probably heard about that. Keeping them in a sweat lodge too long, too hot.
Lakota John: Well, that’s, that’s number one, you got to look at your right. Right to do it. Did he have the right to do that? You know, did he just learn it somewhere and wanted to capitalize on to capitalize on it, you know, for monies. And a lot of times when we look at what we do as as, as medicine people, and there’s that exchange with money, sometimes it’ll defile what we’re doing. Because if we start putting our intention more on the money, rather than the healing, then you start losing your talent and, and your gift. And so that world is really difficult for me to balance.
Rick Archer: Yeah. Yeah, how do you deal with that?
Lakota John: Well, it’s residual income, creating things, you know, they create residual income. So this way, if you have a mother, a single mother that needs some help, you’re not saying well, hey, wait a minute, if you don’t pay me 150 bucks an hour, I can’t see you.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: That’s, let’s work out a barter system where you come in and do something for the organization, and we’ll give you the treatment.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: You know–
Rick Archer: And those that have money, they pay, and that way, you’re able to pay the rent.
Lakota John: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because it, nothing is free.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: You know, and, and if people get something free, that there’s no, there’s no value to it.
Rick Archer: Well, you know, the old saying, you know, give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime or something. So I guess you want to empower people and not have them dependent on you. Yeah.
Lakota John: You know, and that’s what welfare system, right? That’s what a welfare system creates. You know, when somebody can stay home and, and get paid for staying staying home and have more children and get a raise every year, then why not stay home? You know, and that’s the mentality of people today in some areas, We take it to another level and that’s mending the nets.
Rick Archer: Yeah. That’s good. Yeah.
Lakota John: Yeah. Yeah. So this way, they have the tools to fix what’s broken, you know, when things come into their lives, they can sit back and say, “Wait a minute, this is my stuff. It’s your stuff.” We can open it up and and see where it’s going and find solution to problem. You know.
Rick Archer: I heard you say in some interview that, said we better hold on because God’s gonna shake the world, you know, to kind of I guess you’re saying to wake it up out of its stupor? You know, so I mean, do you have a sense either personally, or is there any sort of thing any predicted–prediction in your in your tradition about where the world might be going in the next decade or two or three?
Lakota John: Well, I’ll tell you you know there’s things happening all over the world today and there’s there’s there’s a an attack on the water you know, and–
Rick Archer: Not only the water, the trees, the water, the air. Yeah.
Lakota John: You know, and the frequency’s still living in the water, you know, stop and really think about it. Here in New Zealand, there’s places where the water is extremely pure. And I’m grateful to be here to, to have that experience. But I really, I really believe that we as a people need to, to really look at what’s happening here–in that heart space, and really started looking at the square systems that we’re stuck in. And then learn to to really get back to, number one, nurturing the female, I believe that’s, that’s a huge thing that needs to happen today. And that’s to show that unconditional love to the female, instead of looking at the female as objects, and using and abusing, you know, we have to get back to that place as as males to really honor the life givers. And that’s a huge campaign that we’re working on today is teaching people how to get to that place, you know, but a lot of times it’s loving yourself and loving your mother and, and loving the earth. You know, so this way we can connect with that energy of female in love. It starts it starts–It starts with [**many with Chani did] the water that’s sacred, that gives life if we don’t have water then you know, where are we heading as a human species? You know, we’re going to end up–and there’s areas in America where they recycle the sewage water.
Rick Archer: That’s great. What was I just gonna say, oh, water? Yeah, I mean, that’s what Standing Rock was all about, wasn’t it? It’s the fear that the Dakota Access Pipeline was going to pollute the sacred water.
Lakota John: It’s not when–it I mean, it’s not, you know, to me, I look at I look at things in America that are being pre-staged right now. I mean, it was shown to me, that pipeline is just going to, its pre-staged, so that when it breaks, it’s all about relocating the indigenous people. And once they relocate indigenous people, then they go for the for the resources underground. So I mean, it’s happening now.
Rick Archer: Are you saying that, that it will be intentional, if that pipeline breaks? So as to give any excuse to move people?
Lakota John: I’m not saying anything, I just, to me, I pray that it doesn’t happen. You know, everything happens for a reason. You know, with technology today. We don’t even need oil. You know?
Rick Archer: That’s true. There’s so many better things coming along.
Lakota John: Oh, yeah. And, you know, why not pre-stage it? You know, to me, if we can really get back to the basics, and really look at technology and alternative powers, we can create a better place on this planet, for the next generations to come. But another generation’s going to be so stuck in the box that, you know–
Rick Archer: Well–
Lakota John: Are they gonna be original thinkers?
Rick Archer: Like we were saying about these younger people, you know, that are coming in, I think there’s a new a new generation coming in, at least a lot of them, who are a lot more enlightened, you know, than their, their parents and grandparents were–this higher consciousness is being born.
Lakota John: Yeah, all day long. I mean, I mean, I mean, youth today, they’re so switched on. But in some of the, in some of the situations, you know, you can see where they’re completely struggling, because they’re connected to drugs and different things that are just dumbing them down. You know, so they, they don’t have that enthusiasm of going out and making it happen. It’s, well, I’m just gonna settle for this, you know.
Rick Archer: Yeah, and the way things are set up, even if you want to make it happen, you end up you know, go to college, you end up with 10s of 1000s of dollars of debt, you know, so it’s–we’re not sort of, I mean, there’s so many policies that are just– not support–that don’t…You know, here’s the question. I mean, there’s that idea of seven generations in Native American wisdom. And there’s so many policies that come down these days that don’t even look ahead one generation. I mean, they’re so short sighted, you know, companies are thinking of the next quarter’s profit earnings and, and, you know, Trump just pulled out of the Paris Accord, you know. there’s just so many things that we’re not considering what, what the world might be, like, 50, 100, 200 years from now.
Lakota John: Well, maybe we need to get rid of Trump and bring in Gump.
Rick Archer: (Laughter). Forrest Gump?
Lakota John: To me, it’s yeah, it’s gonna be pretty interesting to see where it all goes in the next five to 10 years.
Rick Archer: I think so to. There’s that Chinese curse, ‘May you be born in interesting times,’ you know?
Lakota John: Yeah. Well, you know, it was once said in prophesy as well as the four colors of the of the Medicine Wheel. Working in reverse order, was the red in the east governed the land of America. And then the white man came, governed the land, and the black man came and governed the land. Obama. Now the yellow man will come in and govern the land.
Rick Archer: Or orange.
Lakota John: Now, and when that happens, it will, after that cycle, it’ll fall back into the hands of the red man. The indigenous.
Rick Archer: Well, that is interesting, because a lot of a lot of major corporations and buildings and whatnot in the US are owned by Chinese who are looking for some place to put their money.
Lakota John: Well, yeah, and you know, the amazing part about it is, is I really believe that– and I’ve taken this negative twist on reservations. I really believe that that that we were put on reservations because reservations will become the last stronghold of America. If people will go back to the reservation to learn the ancient ways, and how to live in harmony. And international banking will not own America, because of the reservation systems that have been put in place throughout America.
Rick Archer: That’s kind of like what the point I was trying to make at the very beginning of this interview, where there’s, as in my understanding that there is–it may have been lost to a great degree, but there is a sort of a sacred connection in traditional cultures, to the laws of nature, we might call it and, and perhaps in a way, the reservations are the last stand of that connection. And obviously, the most of them, to my knowledge are very troubled. I mean, if we go to you know, that what’s that Reservation in South Dakota?
Lakota John: Pine Ridge?
Rick Archer: Pine Ridge. Yeah. I mean, there’s so much unemployment and alcoholism and all this stuff. I mean, are there–you’re in New Zealand, but are there–do you have hope for a resurrection of the, of the spirituality, perhaps starting on the reservations and spreading from there?
Lakota John: It’s moving there, it’s just reigniting that, that memory,
Rick Archer: You think it’s waking up?
Lakota John: It’s going back to the to the to the youth. And I’m heading back there in two weeks to do stuff.
Rick Archer: So do you…Are you optimistic? Do you see any signs that it’s starting to resurrect, starting to wake up again?
Lakota John: Yeah, it’s gonna. Because like I say, we have, we have people out there that have that, that medicine and that knowledge that’s basically covered with these with these heart walls. You just have to get to the heart walls and get to the to the center and take people to that place of awakening. Because in the East, as the sun comes up in ceremony, the the awakening comes from the East, and the acceptance and awareness, you know, and to be to be centered, you know, all these beautiful things, things that we teach within the rites of passage to take us up that staircase, to the celestial realms–all that information is going to come forth, and it’s going to come forth through through, not just tribal lands, but those that are that are awakening, with the knowledge to help their people. I don’t believe, yeah, that we should be separate. To me, I have no boundaries of who I work with. I’ve gotten past the “Oh, I hate the white man for what they did to my people.” You know, cause to me, I cannot teach what I teach if I’m caught up on something that took place that I can’t even elaborate on because I wasn’t there. You know, how can I say, “Well, this chief shouldn’t have surrendered.” You know, when he was looking at his, you know, grandchildren and families dying all around him, you know, what do we, what do we do? You know, so I can’t elaborate on it or even remotely think about judging it, you know, because it happened for a reason. And you look at the struggle of America, I really believe that there’s going to come a time where the reservations will become a very strong place. Once we can, you know, get rid of those that that want to control the reservations, like, maybe the Bureau of Indian Affairs, who knows? You know.
Rick Archer: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, these days–I’m going to see Amma tomorrow, who is an Indian saint that comes to the US and the venue where she’s coming is a casino on an Indian reservation. It’s a Hilton hotel called the Buffalo Thunder in Santa Fe. It’s in the middle of an Indian reservation. So that’s something too, where one of the sort of lowest forms of Western culture, gambling, has become the the lifeblood, of economic lifeblood of many tribes. Though, I may wonder if that’s going to change.
Lakota John: Square.
Rick Archer: Square, yeah.
Lakota John: It goes back to the note. it goes back to, to that system, let’s get the white man back for taking our lands and create a casino. Well, I’ve worked with tribal people where casinos are creating a lot of damage with the youth, as well as good, you know, education, they put boundaries, you know, you get to x, y, you know, ABC, you get past these levels, and you receive this money and, you know, they kind of keep the carrot in front of the donkey, which is good. But, you know, the reality to it is, is we’re still trading, we’re still we’re still bound by a system.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: You know? So the reality is, is do we really even have freedom? You know, once they put your name on a piece of paper to leverage you with another country. For US debt, then is your name really free? No. And so those are things that you have to kind of look at, not, not just on on that side and that level, but your heart, you know, how many of us are truly sovereign? Well, if I, if I’m stuck in addiction, no, I’m not free. You know, am I out of debt? No, I’m not out of debt, because I’m still, I’m still fighting the animal. And I really believe that when we get past that, that struggle, that internal struggle, and we start looking at the beauty, then you really start to flourish. But there’s, there’s ways of doing it. And it isn’t just “empty the mind.” You know, there’s, there’s [**chock full of the] the road that we need to get on to take us to this place. So that we can see things very, very clear, without separatism. Without division, you see, so when you start looking through here, and you, and you tie that into the feeling, which is Spirit, and your internal self, then you will not be misled, or misdirected, it doesn’t work that way. When I stay in my mind, and I don’t check my heart, it doesn’t work for me, it always betrays me, and my mind will betray me.
Rick Archer: Yeah, you said something interesting a little while ago about if we’re properly attuned, then celestial beings will come to our aid, they’ll help us. And I found that fascinating. I think actually, it works that way that there are all sorts of unseen impulses of intelligence that if we can be properly attuned with them, will support us and smooth our path and help us achieve our aspirations. Is there anything more you can say about that?
Lakota John: Well, just look at it this way, go back in your culture 200, 300 generations–
Rick Archer: Generations or years?
Lakota John: Oh, years. You take you take your people that lived in a time where there wasn’t a lot of this stuff that we’re dealing with today. So they–their hierarchy, they’re in a higher level of understanding rather than somebody that died a generation back or whatever, you know. So those are the ones that really we need. To help us in fighting the battle between dark and light. Some call it the devil, some call it God. To me, there’s positive and negative movement all around us at all times. It’s whether the cell wall, or this body that we have, lets the stuff get in. And you got to remember we have ports, there’s 13, ports throughout the body where things get in–the ears, the eyes, the nose, the mouth, here, you know, two at the bottom, up on top, you know, there’s ports and when we open ourselves up to things coming in, that play around within our mind, and in our thought, begin to go after the nucleus, go after the spirit and soul of who you are as an individual. So you have to you have to make sure that you’re constantly in tune. Sometimes things come at us and we think, “Oh, this is pure light,” and you step into it, and then it becomes an event that wasn’t that well, it wasn’t that pleasing.
Rick Archer: Yeah. Somebody sent in a question that happens to be the very same question I asked you before we started recording this. And so obviously, at least one other person had the same question. I might as well ask it. It stated online that you were born into the Cheyenne Nation. Why then do you use the name Lakota, which is the Sioux Nation?
Lakota John: No, my grandfather was in the [**mini caucasian] people. They the Lakota people are, it’s a band. You know, there’s like, what would they call it in your culture? Like…
Rick Archer: Like the Irish? Or a certain…?
Lakota John: Yeah, yeah. On my on my dad’s side, they were from his father. Grandfather was from the [**mini corps] people. There was a camp by the river and [**Shaiya] people. And to me, I haven’t had the privilege of being raised on the reservation because we were migrating–like my forefathers decided not to take that, that stamp of, of government control, see, which I’m really grateful for, because a lot of times you can be bound by that control. You know, and so we became pretty industrious people. And, you know, my mom’s side, you know, different story, you know, but it’s a mixture of, in our, in our lives, it’s a mixture of many cultures that come together.
Rick Archer: Okay. So I think you explained to me earlier that Cheyenne is sort of an offshoot of Lakota or sort of cousins in a way, just related, right?
Lakota John: Cousins that were related. Yeah, like second cousins. You know, when, when, when in our culture when the Powwows came in, you know, our people were struggling to really look at who we could intermarry, because the pickings were slim and, and so Powows would come together. And so, you know, you really could take a look, all those people over there are from, you know, the [**Lord roll] people and other from the [**Hunkpapa] people and, you know, so yeah, it would be okay to date and marry somebody from over there because they’re distant, you know, rather than intermarriage within cultures.
Rick Archer: Okay. So I listened, I read a couple of things you asked me to read, and I listened to everything on your YouTube channel. And so I enjoyed especially some of the music, maybe we’ll put a song or two into this interview in post production. But um, well, actually, before I ask that question that that’s, that’s my question that I sometimes ask is, what aren’t we covering here? What else would you like to say? But I think I’ll ask you this. It’s on the news almost every night in the United States, that there’s this terrible opioid epidemic. And, you know, they’re everybody’s trying to figure out what to do about it. And people are dying from overdoses every day, in fairly large numbers. And it’s just spreading and spreading. And I think it’s relevant to this show, in a sense, even though this show is about enlightenment and spiritual development, because it says something about what’s going on in the collective consciousness, and what people are dealing with, and how they’re trying to sort of numb themselves rather than wake up. I mean, I had this realization when I was 18, that there’s only one way out, and that’s sort of up, up in terms of higher consciousness. You if you try to blot it out, you’re just gonna have to have to deal with it again, later. I think you say in your book, “Feelings buried alive, never die.” So what observations do you have the on whole addiction thing that is an epidemic in the United States, at least, maybe other places? And, you know, what sort of wisdom can you bring to that topic?
Lakota John: Well, ‘sedate’ is “See you at another date”: Sedate. You know, we we tend to not want to deal with the emotion today. So we’ll put it off till tomorrow and sedate. Opiates are huge in America at this time, you know, young people. And when I was in, in America working out there, that, you know, a lot of these young people were getting into the pharmaceuticals.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: And, and not in their–
Rick Archer: Then they go from there to heroin, because the heroin is cheaper.
Lakota John: Yeah. Because it’s too hard to get, number one, right? Prescription, prescription drugs, and then, and then they venture off into street drugs and street opiates, which are the heroin and…
Rick Archer: And there’re synthetic things that are easy to overdose on. And anyway,, but I mean, what do you see that it’s symptomatic of, in terms of the crisis of Spirit?
Lakota John: Well, I believe it’s just the traumatic events. You know, you don’t just wake up saying, “Well, I think I need to sedate.” You know, something has to happen in life to trigger that sedation, you know, trapped emotion. Let’s look at trapped emotion. Let’s look at traumatic events that create trapped emotion, that create an acidic environment. Let’s look at a toxic environment. Let’s look at the second chamber of the body, you know that this is where contracts reside. The worry, blame and anger live in the second chamber and most people that are dealing with anger, take a drink, try to sedate it and it lives in the liver. And so we have to go back to peeling the onion and taking a look at what’s created this energy that’s living within this individual’s world. What created it? What event created it? And it’s about evaluation. It’s taking it all the way back to really look at.
Rick Archer: So since this is an epidemic involving potentially millions of people, I don’t know what the actual numbers are, but they’re huge. How do we peel the onion on a mass scale?
Lakota John: You need them to contact the Four Winds Wellness Center.
Rick Archer: (Laughter) I think you’d be a bit overwheled.
Lakota John: Well you know, the sad part about it is, man, is it’s an industry. It’s–
Rick Archer: You’re very right. And, you know, people are starting to go after some of these drug companies in terms of just the way they went after the tobacco companies. You’re suing them because they were intentionally addicting people to that drug. Yeah. And they’re realizing now that a lot of the pharmaceutical companies have been doing the same thing.
Lakota John: Right, you know, well, the thing is true is even non pharmaceutical, it’s still an industry. Yeah, you know, people are making money on it, you know, the more arrests and crime and everything else, it just fuels the machine. You know, and so why get rid of something–why bring in something that works? And that’s, that’s what I’m talking about thinking in reverse order, you know, the systems out there today, say, “Well, why bring something in that works?” Man, this is working really well, because we’re all we’re all in a job. We need more counselors, and we need more prison guards and more prisons. And, and all it does is fuel shame. So why bring something in that works? I mean, I was struggling with that with mental health. Now, how do you take this genealogy incident? And, and look at, you know, correcting this, this person’s so-called schizophrenia? How does this work? Well, then I was labeled a witch doctor. So I mean, I, I look at stuff like that. And I’m like, Well, okay. But to me, the reality of it is, is knowing that that person is now my sister, and her and I love each other. And she’s, we can sit down and share some intimate thoughts and what took place throughout the recovery and new thoughts and other things that are coming. Now, like I say, you know, with with a lot of the systems out there that don’t really take on this, this sort of, say, cell memory and genetic disorders and how it moves throughout the genetic lines. And–but you know, if you look at Jung’s stuff, you know, when he was working with with Dr. Bob and Bill W from from Alcoholics Anonymous, I think he was saying that you need to have a spiritual awakening.
Rick Archer: Sure, that’s–AA is essentially a spiritual organization.
Lakota John: Right, right. And so if you don’t have a spiritual awakening, then it doesn’t start anywhere else, because that’s why to us, the Spirit is in the East. The spiritual awakening comes with the sun that rises in the East, you know, and the West is about putting yesterday behind you. We create worlds without numbers. Every day, the sun comes up and goes down, we create our world within the world, and our virtual reality is what we create, we can either create a world of joy, happiness, success, abundance, you know, it’s just clearing that that mindset, you got to jackhammer that concrete out of your head and, and repour, and bring in this, this other knowledge and this, you know, way of thinking, right thinking, because most of us are really self destructing just through thought.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: What do we create every day? I mean, I love to create beauty, and friends, and a good meal. And let’s sit down and talk and share some knowledge. That to me, that’s a way I like living not “Oh, well. I’m gonna hoard this, because I think only a few need to have it.” I think everyone needs to have it.
Rick Archer: Well, it’s a beautiful thing you’re doing. I’m glad you’re dedicating your life to this. Is there anything that-that’s important to you that you feel we haven’t touched upon during this interview?
Lakota John: Food! You know, what about food? You know, what’s happening with our food today?
Rick Archer: Sure.
Lakota John: You know, let’s look at you know, it’s so it’s so expensive for organics, you know, the people out here live on bread and flours, and, and fillers, you know, and that’s what’s creating this toxicity within, within our bodies.
Rick Archer: And diabetes and so on.
Lakota John: Yeah, think, I think food is a big issue. And I believe if we’d all go back to a little square patch of land and creating our own gardens and, and having the awakening to be able to attend that garden and weed your garden. That’s a whole other level of discussion. You know, there’s a lot out of us like the quick fix. McDonald’s, it’s really easy to do a drive thru and boom, boom, boom, and you’re off.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: With a stomachache for a couple of days.
Rick Archer: Yeah. And the whole genetic engineering issue has actual spiritual implications in a way because it, it sort of implies that–It’s the same sort of, you know, tendency to dominate nature that we were talking about earlier, thinking that we can understand better than nature can, you know, how, what–how the DNA works and what’s what’s going, you know, how a plant is supposed to develop and doing all sorts of monkeying around on very fundamental levels, which we don’t really fully understand. And, and kind of playing God and potentially creating disastrous outcomes, since we, you know, we really don’t understand what we’re doing. We’re tinkering in a dangerous way, like, for instance, Monsanto has a seed, which can’t be, once the plant has grown, you can’t get seeds from that plant to plant a new crop, you have to buy more seeds from Monsanto. Alright, so if that if that kind of spread, uncontrolled, run amok, it could wipe out certain crops and prevent them from ever growing.
Lakota John: With, with cross pollination and stuff like that, I mean, there could be a plant growing over here with with, you know, complete, whatever, to kill off another, another plant, you know, the genetics from this plant can kill off another plant. And, and yeah, heirloom seed, you know, they want to get rid of the heirloom seeds. So this way, they can control the actual food industry. And once they control the food industry, they control the people.
Rick Archer: Right.
Lakota John: So they can put any astro–astronomical number on it, to say, “Hey, well either you pay for it or die.”
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: I don’t know if it’ll ever get to that extreme. But to me, there’s a lot of people working, that are counteracting that as well, though, they’re going out and creating seed banks and doing some beautiful work out there to hold on to what’s right. But you look at, you look at the the alteration of genetics, it’s the same thing with a human being, you know, when you, when you go through events, and different things happen in one’s life, it alters your genetics as well, your way of thinking, the connection to the deities, and to, you know, our ancestry, it does the same thing to us. You know, so there’s, there’s a physical aspect to this, as well as a spiritual aspect. You know, and so we have to look at both. Because, you know, the reality is, is the body is going to die and go into the earth, and from the matter, but what happens to the spirit and soul? You know, what happens to this, you know, we we’ve lost the ability even to, you know, with texting and this, listening to people’s tone, and the breath.
Rick Archer: Oh, brother, yeah, I saw this thing on the news last night, where this woman was looking at her phone, she was walking along the sidewalk in New York, and they had one of those things where they open up two metal doors, you know, so they can go under there and work. And she was just oblivious, she walked right along and boom, down into the pit. So it’s like that, that is sort of emblematic or symbolic of something in the cult–in the mass mentality these days, that is really off,
Lakota John: I’ll tell you something, you look at your television, it’ll snatch your attention. You look at your phone, it’ll take your attention. You know, you look at you look at like, for instance, I was I was looking at the Apple phone, and on the back, there’s an apple with a bite out of it. You know, and that goes all the way back to Adam and Eve and, and, you know, you look at that symbol right there, we’re all biting into the tree of duality. And we’re all stuck in this World Wide Web. But it keeps us from from really examining that original blueprint. And going back to yourself, as a child of God, close to creation. I know, to me, I know, I’m connected to [**100, Tonka] the Creator, and so there is no division and no separation. See, but societies will teach, you know, you’re separate. But don’t believe in that don’t bite into that system.
Rick Archer: There’s an interesting question here, though, which is that sometimes people think “All right, well, if we really get back to an ideal society, it’s going to be very simple, agrarian, you know, non-technological and, and so on, you know, just like the good old days,” but I have a feeling that, you know, Pandora’s box has been opened and we’re not going to get back to a non-technological age. It’s going to be if we survive, it’s going to be something totally new, in which very advanced technologies coexist with a resurgence or renaissance of the Spirit. And that renaissance of the Spirit will counterbalance the damaging effect that technology has had, when it’s not, you know, supported by Spirit. So, you know, if we look forward 50 years, I mean, we could have a very advanced technological state, but also very advanced spiritually.
Lakota John: Right. I believe that because this way, we’ll be able to communicate with people all over the world.
Rick Archer: We are now. You’re in New Zealand, I’m in Iowa.
Lakota John: So, so with that, we can exchange that and feel good about it, and then it can go to others and keep on going. And then networking, you know, there are there are communities out here that are doing the work, you know, that are growing food and, and moving more towards that that oneness within societies that that’s, it’s really important. But then, you know, on the other side, too, there’s societies that fall apart, because, you know, they don’t have the infrastructure in. You know, each and every one of us has a stewardship to do to be able to maintain a community. So what are we good at? And what do we like to do? You know, there’s some that like to garden, and there’s some that like to milk cows, and there’s some that like to build homes–
Rick Archer: –and some who like to write software.
Lakota John: Right, right. And it’s just putting people in the right place. And right now we’re looking at bringing in roundhouses, into New Zealand and Australia. And you’re seeing the round back to the indigenous. And we’re working on that right now. We’re like a month, maybe two months away from, yeah, gettin’ it all going here.
Rick Archer: Oh, nice. In the Vedic culture, they have a term in the Vedic culture, they have a term called Dharma, and it basically means that course of action, which for a particular individual is most appropriate, most evolutionary, most suitable for them, for their makeup. And it talks about how society, if society loses Dharma, if, if individuals lose Dharma, or on a mass scale, if society does, then there’s all these severe problems, the whole thing kind of breaks down. And so the reestablishment of Dharma of right, you know, of right livelihood and so on, it’s considered to be extremely important. Just–it’s just, I’m just reiterating what you just said, pointing out other cultures say this also.
Lakota John: Yeah, it’s creating that perfect balance. And that’s, that’s knowing male and female. And that’s knowing sky and earth. Yeah, you know, knowing mom and dad, knowing sky and earth and bringing those four circles together, and you sit right in the middle of it. When you have that perfect balance, you’re in perfect harmony, You are the love that you are, the truth is coming from your mouth, your thoughts are pure, because you go through the renewal process. But you know, we have to get through the past before we can get into the future. And the past is going back and taking a look at character defects that we were born with, you know, gluttony and all these other things that we have to overcome. Depression! With people, we go back in depression, Why are you de–I don’t know why I’m depressed? Well, let’s look, at let’s look at your genealogy. Before you know, we start unveiling it, and then boom, this person is actually doing the healing for the one that was depressed 5, 6, 7 generations back.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: And that’s, that’s what turns it all on its head. And that’s what really changes the whole event. You know, and, and putting them at a power state saying, “You know, what, you’ve been called and chosen to do this, for your ancestry.” When I work with young, indigenous and non-Indigenous people, I’m like, You know, what? You’ve stepped into a realm now where you have been chosen to to clear the lines for your ancestors. And that’s a big responsibility. Are you ready to do it? Do you have the courage to do it, because if not, let’s take you through the first rite of passage and get from from fear to courage, that’s just one level of shifting. And teaching you how to become grounded and, and overcome, you know, all these different issues that keep you from your true identity that might have came through the genetic lines. So really, cleaning, clearing the genetic lines is huge.
Rick Archer: I think I think it’s really important what you’re saying right now. And you’re obviously much more conversant with it than I am. But again, I come back to the thought that many, many cultures have this ancient, you know, traditional cultures have this understanding, that you have to sort of go back and help the ancestors and clear the genetic lines and so on. And you know, that it works in both directions. In the Vedic culture, again, they have this idea that if an individual becomes enlightened, it enlightens seven generations, I think–I think it’s seven, or am I getting that from Native America, but it enlightens is a number of generations in either direction. And they have all sorts of means and measures and rituals and so on, to try to, try to clear things for the ancestors because it’s considered to be so important for, you know, for us now, as well as for them.
Lakota John: Well, you know what, we we live, what is it three 28-year cycles, basically, you know, in our lodge when we bring, you know, seven stones in for each section of our lodge there’s 28 stones in total. But the the seven is, working through conception to seven, and the next seven is from seven to 14, 14 to 21. And it just keeps on moving, you know. And it’s important that we go back and actually be able to do the Jubilee, where we can actually leave the first seven years behind us, rather than rolling that into the next seven cycle. And then the next seven year cycle into the next, before you know it, that’s what creates the heart walls.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: So if we can peel those layers and go back, we have to go back to do the clearing. So this way, you can stand as a pure vessel as as, as a, we call it the hollow bone or, or a pure vessel to actually move that energy. You know, and so a lot of energy workers, I’ve walked them through that process as well so that they can be the best they can be in what they do.
Rick Archer: It’s great. Well, you’re doing good work. And I think we’ve given people a nice sampling of your thoughts and, you know, introduction to some of the things you do. And as always, I’ll link to your website as, well, I always link to everybody, the website of everybody I interview so that they–people can get in touch with you. And do you do any kind of distance work. Like if somebody’s in Germany or something, you talk, you talk to people on Skype and stuff?
Lakota John: All the time. I go into America twice a year, into Australia a lot, New Zealand. You know, I live here full time. And like I say, I spend probably four months in America. So I mean, I’m going to America in two weeks. And I’ll be there for Sundance and a few other things–traditional stuff that we’re doing back home.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Lakota John: And so, Fourwindswellness.org. You know, we we have a nonprofit organization in three different countries. And so we’re doing some phenomenal work with the people.
Rick Archer: That’s great.
Lakota John: Yeah.
Rick Archer: Well, keep up the good work. And it’s been good speaking with you. So let me– don’t just don’t disconnect, I want to make a few general wrap up points. So as I mentioned a minute ago, I’ll link to your website and people who want to find out more can can get in touch. And this interview is part of an ongoing series. I’ve been doing them for about seven years now. And I intend to continue doing them. So if you find this interesting, go to the website batgap.com. If you like, you can sign up to be notified by email each time a new interview is posted. There’s an audio podcast of this if you like to listen to podcasts while you commute or whatever. And you know, quite a few other things on the site. Just check out the menus. It’s all pretty self explanatory. So thanks, John. It’s been, it’s been good spending time with you.
Lakota John: Yeah, we’ll have to do it again.
Rick Archer: Yeah. And thanks to those who’ve been listening or watching and we’ll see you next week. Next week is a fellow named Tony Samara. And I’ve just started investigating, learning about him, sounds like an interesting guy. And next week, you’ll learn a lot more about him. So see you then.