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David Thomas Interview

Rick Archer: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer, Buddha at the Gas Pump is a continuing series of conversations with spiritually Awakening people. I’ve done hundreds of them now. And if this is new to you, and you’d like to check out previous ones, please go to batgap.com Bat gap and look under the past interviews menu. This program is made possible by the support of appreciative viewers and listeners. So if you appreciate it and feel like supporting it in any amount, there is a PayPal button on every page of the site. And for people who don’t like PayPal, some don’t. There’s a donations page which explains other ways of supporting. And actually I should mention, one good way of supporting that’s not even financial, although that’s essential is if you leave a review on iTunes or Stitcher or one of those things if you listen to this as a podcast, because it improves the sort of ranking of the podcast in those platforms. My guest today is David Thomas, who sometimes is known as Yogi David tamas on Facebook or whatever. David is a self realization teacher, speaker and writer living in Virginia Beach, Virginia, to the practice of Yana yoga and meditation, he has acquired a deeper understanding of the inner self and true liberation. David now seeks to support individuals in their in their pursuit of Self Realization, through his writing and speaking, the insights he shares with his within his videos, quotes and poems are created to help nurture the healing of individuals seeking relief from their pain and suffering. All of his teachings come from his personal experience. So he gives an inside perspective on being lost in ignorance, to finding the truth within an experiencing Nirvikalpa samadhi. One conversation with him truly has the power to change the way you see and experience life. David wrote that I didn’t have one. So my wife, my wife, your wife, does she always feel that way even like when you’re not taking out the garbage

David Thomas: leave it to her.

Rick Archer: get you in trouble, the love and wisdom he radiates as a blessing to all seekers of truth. And she may have written that or not. But I also concur with that sentiment, I’ve listened to hours of David’s YouTube videos. And it’s, I often say this when I interview people, but I’ve really enjoyed listening to David is a real sweetness and genuineness in the way he speaks. And he’s obviously speaking from personal experience and has a sincere desire to help people, which is always wonderful. So I think we’re going to budget our time today between, you know, hearing David’s personal story, which, you know, hasn’t always been an easy ride for him. And, and, you know, how he came through all that and got to where he is today. And, and also this a nice knowledge points we want to discuss, you know, about Enlightenment and awakening, and, you know, perhaps the dark side of those things. And the difference between self realization, God realization, a bunch of different points like that, that interests us both, and I think will interest the audience. So, let’s get and also, as always, this is being live streamed on YouTube. And if, as you’re listening, you feel like sending in a question, go to the upcoming interviews page on batgap.com. And there’s a form at the bottom of that page through which you can submit a question. Okay, so David, let’s, let’s kind of start with your personal story. I mean, obviously, we don’t have to cover every little thing that ever happened to you, but the things that you feel, are, have been most significant in sort of leading you toward interest in spirituality, and actually, you know, enjoying some of the fruits of that interest.

David Thomas: So basically, we’re like where we start?

Rick Archer: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, you grew up in a small town in Arizona, as I understand it. Yeah.

David Thomas: Oh, it is hard for me because it’s so like, I can zoom in on all of it. So I just want to see like, where we start. So basically, I started from a small town in the desert Arizona. And there’s not too much so it’s, it’s Like, if you can imagine, if you ever watched them, what’s that? So Lord of the Rings, The Shire is forgotten somewhere you lost. Yeah. So imagine turning that to a desert. So then that’s it’s like forgotten. So it’s just to itself isolated. So that’s where it all starts. Being in a desert is a different environment from being anywhere else because you free. Like, you could just go in a desert if you want to. If you want to make contraptions just go to the desert, do that, if you want to go here, go do that it’s open industry is it’s however much space you want. So this is like my natural, it’s free to go out and be. But what happens is the human conditioning part comes into play. The way I grew up in the desert was with I had to go through abuse from my dad. So that’s like the start of my reality. Day one, your views are bullied all the time and things like that. I come from a house of how many of us, six kids, two parents, so it was eight and a house. It’s like, two rooms at a time. Being poor. So property in the desert, being African American in the desert, just as just a real horror story. I witnessed my mom attempt suicide, I was the one that founder, I was around 10 or eight ish.

Rick Archer: So my mom attempted that three times to by the way,

David Thomas: man, and this is what starts a person’s reality. Because if you’re young, and you don’t, we pick up things as we go. So this is where you start. This is your house. Man, I was exposed to like real, real, real reality. So that’s just where it starts. So I found my mom. lifeless, basically, in a bed. And this is when are my real, like you have to go through to get through it to come back to understand it, how it was all moving us in a way to make who you are. But this was like what I could say a real the first real miracle I’ve ever witnessed in my life. Because it’s like, I opened the door and then it was action. So I see my mom commit suicide and things like this. And I’m, I’m trying to wake her up. She’s like, listen to things like this. But then this is when when there is nothing you know, that can help you. But you still have to like pool, there’s has to be something. I can’t really put this into words.

Rick Archer: So you’re like, what, eight years old or something when that happen?

David Thomas: Around eight to 10 Because there’s no like, quite like, things like that. So I was very young. So I just, it just hit me like in my heart. Literally, I go check on your mom. And we get these like insights all the time every day. But for some time, it was like an urge in me. And I was like, All right, so I just went like I couldn’t just

Rick Archer: so you wouldn’t ordinarily have done that. But you had this intuition or something. Yeah,

David Thomas: that’s like, literally like if you don’t have how you have an idea. Let’s go on vacation to Hawaii. And then the whole trip is oh yeah, that’ll be it was like a strong urge. Like like a pool at me my being go check on your mom. So I’m like, I feel that and I’m just pool like towards all right, where’s my mom gonna go check on her. So when I opened the door I find the situation and instantly if freezes, everything freezes because there is nothing you can think at this point. Because I’m aware that I don’t know what to do and it’s all on me is action right now. And this is the most like, coming from the household I came from it was dark. My dad was like the bully the dark side and all this abusive, bipolar and mad crazy he was physically abusively abusive. Just a real bully. Yeah. verbally and all these things so my mom was literally like my light in my world. She was loving caring, she would comfort me, she would teach me there. So when this is stripped away from you is is right then and there.

Rick Archer: So what you do call 911

David Thomas: I didn’t know that because we’re from C being poor. You don’t even have a phone sometimes. So who can you call sometimes so this is real real reality. And it just like slow down I know that this has happened I’m processing what is happening but it’s on me to do something and right there is when I don’t the connection to I am this puppet, the Avatar The whatever and there was something more happen I would say this is a memory that was even suppressed them and I had to go through my way my Awakening as when it was happening to realize that I experienced this truly but now it’s so like vivid I can even see the cover and all the things and stuff. But this was the really like the first time I’ve ever witnessed a miracle because like I don’t even know how to give you the words but through me holding my mom and everything I don’t know how to say it just like like you’re being attracts a person back to the theme or so are you saying

Rick Archer: you kind of drew her out again drew her back from the brink of death or something by your tension? Is that what you’re saying?

David Thomas: So save your save your flame is going out? Right? And I’m a light right here and I go with I grabbed you and whatever, there is no word for this, but my will like the will of me going beyond any, any possibility just it is possible because I am and I will not let this not be so like yo, like entered somebody else and wakes them up like like a flame type thing.

Rick Archer: I know what you’re saying. So So was there any kind of medical intervention? Had she taken pills or something? Or yeah, she

David Thomas: had taken pills but this gave my dad enough time to go get a phone to call the the medics or whatever. So then when they came here she was um, she was she was bad, right? But she wasn’t bad. But she was beating her heart was beating coming around. Yeah, yeah. So then they did the whole pumper stomach out and things like that. So that’s where it started. That’s like my start my find my foundation. So

Rick Archer: I’m still alive today. Yeah, good. Good. I bet you’re sure.

David Thomas: Man. No, it’s not it’s not even like that. Um If we talk about enlightened beings, my mom will be the most enlightened being I’ve ever met. She knows all this stuff but live this stuff and has no words for this stuff. It just is to her because she’s experienced the same type of things that I’ve experienced I’m going all the way over there experiencing what is and that you still are and then coming back in being there was nothing really to like rattle you anymore.

Rick Archer: Sure you had a near death experience yourself and we’ll get to that later on. So and that was due to an attempted suicide. Right. So that is that we’ll come back to that. But But anyway, did pick it up from there, from where you were.

David Thomas: So that just basically like my foundation of who I am to start my mom and my dad like the dark and the light together and seeing seeing that you can lose it right here right now in this action, you can lose everything that you love right now. That’s my foundation. And then it just grows as far as as who I become so. So then like like when I say my, my dad is the dark side of it, of abusive kicked out the house always fighting like fighting, fighting, but a grown person finding a kid. So even my dad add to my spiritual spirituality because I remember one time, getting choked, slammed through a table hitting the floor, and it’s like semen, and being choked out. And I remember telling him I can’t breathe, and he was he’s dead on it. Yes, this is the point. So I don’t have no. Like what I say something is I’m meaning how I’m exactly trying to clearly say my life is in danger. how clearly you can say it, you feel me. So that’s how I speak. So this is my reality. But from that outer body experiences happening, I’m learning to astral project and all these different types of things is because he used to, he used to threaten us, like we’ll be in a room and it will be like, when I come in there, if you’re not asleep, whoever’s up. That’s it for you. So one thing about being still is that your, your, your awareness doesn’t be or how can I say this? This whole spirituality is about being stuck. Not being in the game and caught in the game. So when at a young age, you’re forced to play still. And you’re still being aware in the outside but you’re being still it starts to give you the ability to like consciously project yourself outwardly and things like that. So to me, all these things are just natural, I guess, my natural and then we go into things like what is when you being a what is that? When you’re being pushed down, you’re trying to you’re waking up but you’re not moving, what is

Rick Archer: sleep paralysis,

David Thomas: sleep paralysis, things like that. You You start to be very aware of at a young age. So you like I’m stuck again. So this is how I prep, I’m stuck again. But then I have to really go back and calm down and realize and then get out. So what I’m learning naturally is how to like astral project, get out my body in my body, things like this. But this is just like lucid dreaming. Because if you’re aware trying to be aware of someone coming to get you, and if you fall asleep, you fall asleep without awareness on still. So when you enter your dream, you’re aware. Yeah, so you can. So you said

Rick Archer: all this adversity actually sort of cultured experiences in you that many people would say are spiritual things, and which some people actually tried to do you know, in order to be more spiritual, they tried to astral project or lucid dream and all you’re saying that kind of the difficulties you went through, were actually coloring that when you were a kid.

David Thomas: Exactly. Yeah. So it’s hard. But but this is like, to me, this is like saying dreaming is nothing new. Because I will assume all that is dreaming what you’re speaking of. But when we get into the spiritual realm, or the spiritual world, we they start, okay, this is a flavor. This is a flavor that is this. And I started to realize this is already because all this is natural. It’s just people don’t have the awareness to pay attention. And that’s the only different thing like we are all the same. It’s all one. So that’s the only difference. I just had to pay attention. And like sensing energies, or auras, these are just words. But when you have a bully, and based on his energy, when he comes into the room, you naturally are going to read people’s energy going to know from how they’re reacting or acting things like this. So you you just pick this up naturally. Everyone has it but they’re they’ve given it the wrong idea. So they’re making it into an ideal I can be supernatural when you’re already it. Yeah. So it just it just so like my story just keeps going and getting dark. And then I just had to endure live. But see, I don’t I don’t know where to keep going.

Rick Archer: I’ll ask you a question. So so right now we’re talking around the age of eight or 10 or something like that. And I heard you say that you are bright kid. Yeah, you’re very intelligent. You did well in school and everything. I suppose school might have been a sort of a respite from what was going on at home at least you could get away and go get some food. Yeah, get a free

David Thomas: so we could talk about school, right? So so moving up, I’m growing older. All right. This is like a regular reality of madness and chaos, and they love in the chaos. My mom’s the love in the storm is for boys to girls. And so we’re all like, I’m just saying my brother is a year and a half older than me. And then there’s me. Then there’s a two year gap and a two year gap. And then there’s a two year gap. And then my younger sister, she’s just she’s like, so far, she’s just younger. So, so it’s a lot of male energy. My dad is like the dominant one and keep all everyone here. But it’s a lot of dominant energy, and everybody wants to be the one so when we talk about ego is naturally you want to thrive be the king or be the one and your whole environment. But it’s um, a lot of boys. So I had to deal with that. Like, who has the biggest ego who has the and there is no rules to this. One of my brothers a gangster one of my brother, just a hard worker that you have me and then I have my younger brother who was like the just a wild one. So it’s a whole lot of like, mess. Yeah, so you like to adapt and read people and adapt to different energies and things like this. But at the same time, this is when I really start to know how to use what I was saying My gift is because in school, we’re just in school, but I would have this gift to pick up things. If I go back to when I met let me see I can say this. If I start back when I was first in school, I can remember being in first grade. I can remember being aware like when I first became aware like a duality split, but I can remember first grade trying to learn how to read and I remembered it was teaching me the letters. And then my teacher was trying to teach me a silent letter. Oh yeah. So

Rick Archer: like knowledge, you don’t say cut knowledge you say knowledge like that. Exactly so so especially that’s especially true in English, English is a screwy language.

David Thomas: So imagine you being aware and you like is not to knowledge is knowledge. So and you’re writing me and you’re hearing and you’re writing within the teacher is trying to tell me that, oh, it doesn’t make the cell. But yet, I’m still going to put it there. And my mind couldn’t wrap my head like it. Like it can’t wrap around anything that doesn’t make sense. My mom taught me how to count my first, my first thing I consciously learned how to do was one plus one equals two, I can remember it. So based on the foundation of my knowledge, one plus one has to equal two. So when you say it’s not, not as knowledge, but it’s not said knowledge, and there’s a K, it just doesn’t add, I can’t understand it. So at that age, at first grade, I realized that this was just pretend this is how I can just write it off to continue to gain. So I realized like reality is not like really like, something you can really see a foundation on because the rules don’t even make sense. I said that to say just when I saw when I got older. Being in school, I wouldn’t learn the same way. Like when we say something is if you say this is a pin, I will learn at as the concept of this is a pin, not like this is a pin. So the way I learned is I just have concepts. So in your reality, this is called a pin the concept of a pin. So what this does is give you a lot of freedom to move concepts and like grow your learning, it’s like adding eight colors, but then you start mixing them and making more. So this is how I learned. So when I was in school it really school like the program systems. So this is the Big Bang, this is how medical words this is how whatever words, they’re telling you reality, basically. But my reality was I’m trying to duck and dodge my dad and my house and our life may not be there, we may not have nothing to eat. So reality was more real than just being programmed. So I was I will always do well in school because I can I can I can, I can mirror back anything. So my whole class I did very well at school, I when it comes to math, I skip a couple of grades and math classes, because you just taught me the formula if you teach me the formula, all right. So cut this, take this, add this move this and there it is, I don’t know what I’m doing. But I can mirror it back perfectly so. So I just became super like intelligent just by not believing, I guess. But that means nothing in my world, because then I graduated, like with a full scholarship and all kinds of things, but in my reality, you’re poor. Nothing like that. Nothing happened from that. So I had to learn how to use that intellect more than by bet my intellect in academics. Because I had to use it in real life. Most people go to school and they learn the theory of I had to use it and so that’s that’s what it became.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I mean, hopefully, I mean, this isn’t always the case. But hopefully school gives us knowledge that we can apply to so called real life you know, we become a doctor physicist or, you know, lawyer or whatever, we’re able to sort of gain skills and all but are you kind of saying that? Well, I mean, you ended up doing electronics work and in the military right? I mean, did you learn that in school did you go to a technical school to learn that stuff?

David Thomas: I went to a technical school but the technical school taught me about like gyroscope the theory of force and gravity and protons and neutrons electricity the theory but those are just concepts of something but in reality you’re not when you see a wire and say why is that has nothing to do with the theory of it. But I think people get that confused the doing of stuff is how you learn the theory of it is what keeps you safe.

Rick Archer: Yeah, okay, well, we don’t need to belabor that point. But um, sometimes theories do learn to do lead to doing you know that somebody formulates a scientific theory and then they test it and it seems to work and then they ended up you know, applying it and creating some kind of technology out of it. For instance, computers are are based upon knowledge that originally started out rather theoretical and eventually became practical,

David Thomas: but it just the difference between apply in the year Exactly right what you’re saying apply, like if electricity. You can learn about electricity and then go apply because you have that theory. But say like, if we say the theory of Enlightenment, if we talk about Enlightenment, yeah, that’s good. Let’s talk about that. We say the theory of Enlightenment, right? You can learn everything about it, but it will never lead to it. Because the saying of it, he said, it’s not in the mind. Yeah. And if you didn’t catch that, first for learning and learning, you’re learning, you’re learning the pointers to say the exact same thing. So people go ahead.

Rick Archer: No, I was just gonna say, but it’s, you know, I mean, I first heard about Enlightenment from a book. And, and somebody was reading this book by Timothy Leary, and Richard Alpert, who became rom Das, it was their translation of Tibetan Book of the Dead, and they’re reading about Enlightenment, and I’m driving a car and somebody the backseats reading this book, and I thought, Enlightenment, wow, yeah, that exists. Yeah, that’s, that’s what life is all about. You’re supposed to get that. And, but that was totally just an idea at that point. But then, you know, over over time, over the years, I did various things to make it more of an experience, that theories have their value, because they can kind of give you a vision of

David Thomas: points. Yeah, they’re only the point that people get caught on the points rather than where it’s telling you to go. Where do people know the point is, rather than the did you make the trip? But let me tell you, you’re gonna need gas and you’re gonna have to Northwest Anyway, did you go? Yeah, no, but I can tell you. I’ve talked in it just a different realm. It is a my realm that gets you get caught in. Yeah. And that’s the biggest thing that we have to realize that we’ve been taught to process everything in our reality through our mind to think it. So you think it about yourself as if you’re not here? Oh, me? Me, me, me and what I feel. Aren’t you feeling it? So why would you have to say it? If you’re feeling it, you should know it? Yeah. It makes a lag lag of being and it’s the madness that we all have. And we share it too. Let me tell you about me. Let me tell you about me. Oh, you want to go tell him about us? We’re just

Rick Archer: there’s a funny joke. It’s like, me, me. Me. Okay, enough about me. What do you think about me?

David Thomas: Exactly. And the waking up part is that it’s all it is on me. Like every work and that could be other in the own it is it is God every single thing it What else can we talk about? Yeah. And that’s the funny part. But I’m

Rick Archer: getting ahead of ourselves. So all right, so you did the school thing and you got some technical training and if we’re not jumping too fast, you ended up in the military, right? So you’re joining the Navy

David Thomas: so so this is what happens in your reality so they teach you and they tell you if you get a good high scores graduate go to school, get a job and all the grown now right? All right. So I’m from a small city so once you have a job and the cost of living is low, so you can maintain so lifelight ran out very fast. I had a job I had a house I had a car we had x Xbox Live we internet What else could you need? We it was it was what would a person need in life? And it seems so like limited like now do this for the rest of your life?

Rick Archer: Yeah. Is this all there is to the circus? There must be something more

David Thomas: like this. Like it’s kind of scary and it’s you have to laugh how scary that is if you get everything you want. And you just like

Rick Archer: Yeah, well I mean just this week two prominent people committed suicide and you know, most people would have envied their lives they would have thought wow these people have tons of money they you know travel the world live very exciting lives. Obviously something was missing for them.

David Thomas: It’s that connection as a beam of light you need to be connected to that light because the outsides it this is what this what I’m saying when I’m talking about school, they say go get these things and you’ll be accomplished. Complete you’ll be happy and they’re all empty. It’s like you grab it and there’s no substance to it. It just turns to sand and everyone else who doesn’t have like I wish I had that said they idolize so you get caught in that idolize yes if I if I do more if I V better if I work out if I get the body if I get the car if I get the house I have the dream. So when you have the dream this must not be because the model unless you This is it. Oh no. You have to go out and get the dream. That’s what it is. So the Navy He was my way out, like I have, it’s like a maxed out on my level being in the desert. So I have to go see what’s in the world. But I always thought that the world would have the answer for me, like, those people have to know maybe my small town. us but the world has to live, they have all these jets cars around the world, they have to know. So I joined the military, and the first day this is how I know so much because I pay attention. It was the first day I joined the military. And soon as my my drill sergeant, or whatever you call it, start yelling. I knew I messed up. Like, I knew it like and I have signed for, like, five years. So soon as you heard it on day one, I just seen how long I had to deal with this. Um, the thing about it is my reality was so raw, like when my dad yells at me and you he’ll be like, whatever he says he is guaranteed to have, and it’s not like a threat it is. And if you smile, one more time we’re gonna be in, it’s already coming. So if you have a drill sergeant, I’ll pick you up by your bootstraps. And you’re not it isn’t. Like the game. I know that the game like you, there’s no possible way that you can do this without having some repercussions. So therefore, since I, my awareness is over like that, it doesn’t bother me. So. But I seen people get programmed, like when we talk about programming, how to make some reduce them that they don’t love for eternity. I’ve seen it happened in boot camp, because I’m just aware of boot camp, and I can’t be touched. So it’s like, this is my reality era where you can actually have to fight in all these different things. But in boot camp, it’s just like the noise of it. The noise of it is so peaceful because, yes, all right, sounds nice.

Rick Archer: I’ve been in boot camp, thank God, but my understanding of is they try to break it down so that you really won’t have a lot of independent thinking and we’ll have your own. So you’ll just be ready to do whatever you’re told

David Thomas: exactly what it is they because, um, it’s kind of like sales like we operate within our environment. Like, even in relationships, if I’m this that person is that in the way we are we operate, give or take and to make what you would call a relationship for us. You have you have a known you have a family, you have a neighborhood, you have your grocery store, you have your meal, you love to eat at a certain time, things like this, this is what you call you, this is your ego, what happens when they strip you and take you away a situ and put you in a whole new environment. You don’t know who you are in this environment, you don’t know if you’re retired or bottom. And this causes your Bing itself to like go into this alert state and then they maximize it by not letting you sleep and yelling. And they go even deeper by it’s not even you say if the person by you go to sleep, everyone with it around him gets in trouble. So it like maxes you out and stress. But then I seen how like stress opens up your mind for errors and thinking. Because instead of like the stress is painful or you don’t notice the anxiety. So people start telling you stuff and your mind will start to accept it to be okay if I do this, if I act like this, I won’t get that. And I seen people overnight, I joined boot camp and like when the sergeants or the petty officers around, it’s all quiet, but when they leave, we turn you out, you still use. But I’ve seen people literally change and not be them no more. So this is why when I blow this up in reality, I know why it’s like from my personal experience I seen it like and it doesn’t matter who it doesn’t matter who because if you’re not set in that still place or identifying yourself at least awareness, like if you believe he is that you are aware silently, whatever your mind starts to grasp and that’s what I do it for a certain amount of time you become that person is why you can just teach a person with a heart and then take away all that and teach them to go to war. And they won’t connect that they’re killing people. And then they’ll come back home but when they won’t connect the whole dots like you’re a murderer, you know, they’re right, just because you shot that side is still shooting people. And this is what what we have when we have veterans, so we’re all broken inside the outside with no awareness of and then they give you pills, but I seen these things. So that’s the military that this is what I’ve seen brainwashed is literally how you conditioned the person take the person out I put the programming, and now you have that. So we played and played and I’m over worker person. As a civilian, you have something you’re not even aware you have a choice. Most people they don’t, they don’t realize that they have choices. So like, like, like, you don’t like your job to get a new job, nah, but you go back to your job, because that’s not even like a choice you if you’re signing the contract to go kill people or murdering people, and you’re aware of this, this is something that destroys you from the inside. So what this calls for me alcoholism, because you got to, and this is where my large life turns darker into addiction to alcohol to sex and things like this is because it’s, you’re disconnecting your humanity at this point.

Rick Archer: So you’re just trying to numb it out.

David Thomas: You got to Yeah, you got to block it out. It’s like if you know that you’re building bombs, and then you watch on TV that these bombs, the same bombs you’re building has dropped on someone and killed millions or 100,000 people were injured some people you got to connect that dot all the way through and see that is this one. People don’t do that they blank out like a war. The war? No, this is the war.

Rick Archer: I remember you say and you drank a lot in the military, and yet you actually managed to do your job. Okay? While being drunk all the time. That kind of amazed me,

David Thomas: is because if you have a certain awareness, you’re not the body see people get drunk in a blackout. But if you ever blacked out, your body can still be moving your consciousness is gone. So you still know how to go and things like that. But if you consciously blacked out, you’re in it. But you don’t identify with it. So you could see that it is drunk and therefore you can correct on it. It’s a deep it’s

Rick Archer: so you had some kind of witnessing value even way back then.

David Thomas: Because for my dad so ever since that I never really snapped back all the way.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, cool. So to summarize that I mean, with the whole thing with your dad, you were kind of awake it woke something up in you in a difficult way but yeah, and there was some experiences of astral traveling or you know out of body experiences and this and that and that kind of stayed with you and and correct me if I’m wrong, but it and so then you’re in the military and it’s difficult there and you’re starting to drink a lot but still the drinking wasn’t able to get to it it wasn’t able to snuff out that that inner awakeness that had somehow begun to develop

David Thomas: yes because that that awareness is there and you can’t because the awareness issue but this is at the end you find out like what you really are that awareness that what I would call it a black hole is because I to survive where I had to survive you have to turn off your heart because it’s property is gained through life is is Doug’s is is

Rick Archer: even in Arizona are you talking about in the military gangster

David Thomas: I’m both are really um, in Arizona it really is like it’s the wild wild west like you it’s so close to Mexico you got the cartel you got all this drug things happening you have rube it’s very crazy. But then in the military. This is the deeper game and it’s a subtle gang and the way I see everything now is gangs but they’re subtle we just don’t say but then we act perfectly like again. When we say Democrats Republican to the gangs, we gangs what else would it be? Because like if you say I’m like this or that you really we sat down and talked it out some of those ideas over here and some of these ideas over here are who you are Yeah, but basically the bloods or Crips you read or you blue you enter Yeah, and that’s how the reality is. But people look at the military. Like if if I changed my gang hat and put on a new hat, I’m in the Navy now. They see they see the narrative more than the reality so this is why people got to start reading narratives and actually take time to process what’s happening but in the military, you guy world gang This is even more dangerous because we’re your front like your own program. You know, okay, this is this side of the red this this side of the blue. I’m over here so don’t cross the line in the military. It’s you got your natural gangs of people who tribalism like okay, we’re this color. Let’s get together this again. You got people gangs from the same state. Oh, yeah. And you got real gangs that I’m really against. They’re in the military, where are you from? Okay, we together. And then you have like Black Panther gangs. You have the kk k gangs? And we just don’t tell you

Rick Archer: what is you’re saying that among the enlisted people in the military, it was almost like a prison where you have, you know, gangs within the prison that are at each other’s throats. So that kind of dynamic is going on in the military as well.

David Thomas: Yeah, because human nature never changed. We just changed the name.

Rick Archer: Yeah. It’s not all brotherly love. And hey, we’re all in this together, there’s, there’s, you just

David Thomas: see it in the uniform. So we look uniform. But if you broke it down and start asking questions, you’ll see all the device, the same thing. And this is how I this is why the way this is why when I speak to people it could change their life so much is because it’s like I had a small version of a city, right in the big cities, you versus world trying to figure the world out. But if they condense it, you’re very to pull it in very much very fast. But we have all those type of games. And then you have power games, we have officer sighs who get paid way more, whatever and do like where the doers so like, like, the lot of you will say slave master and slave, the officers they drive the car, they drive the jet, we got a put up the jig, make the tire do all the work and stuff. And they get paid more. So this makes a different game too. And then even within those you have your ranking. Yeah, so pay grades and power is what convert in. I seen him manipulate people so much. Like, literally if I get a pay grade you treat me like if I just became God, but the same person that was here yesterday that you hate it, but now I got an upgrade in mine, my rank on your caller, you literally can get people to do weird things. And this is beyond the uniform, but no one talks about the truth.

Rick Archer: So when when you were telling us about your family life, and when you’re eight or 10 or whatever, and your the way your father treated you and stuff, you were able to tie that back to a some kind of spiritual lesson it taught you and even feel grateful for it. So how would you summarize your whole military experience in that same way? What what in what way? Did it contribute to your spiritual development?

David Thomas: It taught me it’s like, the fast trick. The Fast Track around the world says you can’t go around the world but bring the world to me. So then we see that we’re all programmed by the same program, right? Because spirituality just talks about the spirit but you want to be a whole person that’s holy to behold to understand what’s going around you fully if you can fully understand what’s going on around you, you can apply yourself you can adapt yourself you can understand the the person that’s trying to kill you that what the military did is break me literally take away everything that I thought was was invaluable like family connection, least having friends and things like that. took all that away, put me gave me money, okay, now have money. So it I use the understanding of the military. So you you trade out for your happiness for what life is for the lie of happiness. So we chase these riches, these goals and these things. And you don’t get anything. But we but what I got from that was experience. This is the thing. I’m always on experience. But what did I experience if if I changed the mountain of gold? And then it got to the mountain and it was a lie? What did I get from that? That’s more than God. So that just show me it doesn’t matter. Your color doesn’t matter your race, it doesn’t matter where you’re from. It’s showing me that the program of the mind has everybody and it could switch just like that we could be we could be lovers and then right now we can hate each other more than anything and literally never get off that hey, but it could just be a split. So that’s what it taught me and it taught me that people are lying. That’s the biggest thing that it sounds good. make the world better again. And then you still you really zoom in and see that like half these people are going through mental things because they’re doing is going through so much. And then they promote alcohol like it’s the is what sailors do. They drink we drink. So they give you a diction.

Rick Archer: There’s even a song What shall we do with a drunken sailor? I used to play it on the piano when I was a kid.

David Thomas: It’s a culture.

Rick Archer: One cool experience you had which stuck in my mind was you’re out in the middle of the ocean on a boat, and you look up at the stars, you know, and you’ve never seen so many stars as you can see out there where there’s no light that was I love that kind of experience. You get that in the desert to actually, if you go out from the town a little bit,

David Thomas: be it because I never realized it because it that’s your natural scenery to see all the way out to the horizon. And this is what you could do in the desert and there have mountains. So you can climb a mountain and see this, like, above the reality. This happens in planes too, when you’re in a plane, you look down, it seems so weird, it looks like a circuit board, it looks like everybody’s moving. But then you realize, like, I’m one of those ants. And what I think as an ad, really is so big to me. But when you get a bird’s eye view, it’s just happening,

Rick Archer: I’ve had that same perspective. And then think of the astronauts who go out there. And you know, and just in the space shuttle in the International Space Station, or even to the moon, they look back at the Earth, a lot of the astronauts have had real profound spiritual awakenings.

David Thomas: And then like, like what you said, when we when I was on the ocean. This is like receiving what you like receiving things. So when you see the sky, you see, I know that sky like the moon, or the stars is this that. But when I was put on the ocean, I was on a carrier. I never been on the ocean, I was in the desert. So the it blew my mind basically. And I end it stopped everything. So this is what I was able to take it in. But I realized that the ocean I don’t know how deep the ocean is. And I’m on the edge of a carrier. So if I fall off, I’m gone. But I’m realizing like I know what, like I will be swallowed up in the abyss of the ocean. And I’m seeing it. We read books like Moby Dick and all these things about how sea creatures and things but seeing it and it’s unlimited, you can see unlimited water. But the thing is the water is darker than the sky because it’s like black, black. But then you see the sky. And you see stars and they’re like, there are more stuff. It’s like if you grab sin and just throw it up and just kept doing it so many stars. But but when you finally see this, this is like one of those views, and they got to go on a cruise ship or be in on that spot. But you can’t really share how many stars there really is in this world. But every star is like a universe a galaxy a sun and the number of life that you it is the numbers itself will blow you back to see God

Rick Archer: in the universe, and there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world.

David Thomas: But you see how we say a theory of that like okay, we can agree in theory it you see it in theory, you see, it blows your mind. And then you think about you being one on one of those and what could and what and it just humbles you, I don’t know nothing.

Rick Archer: So not to drag us back down to the depths again, but um, activism so at some point you ended up actually trying to commit suicide, took a bunch of pills, drank a bunch of booze or something. I mean, what brought you to that dark spot.

David Thomas: So after the military is basically used and abused and tossed out, and then you’re done. So when I got into military, I knew I was getting out because it just wasn’t it’s not structured for free thinker. And even like rank, you can have more rank than me and not be not even be better. So

Rick Archer: it’s weird. You’re not wiser and more intelligent, right?

David Thomas: You just took the test. You’ve been here five years more than me so you’ve been taking the test enough so now you’re ranked up. But that right there kills me to be wasting time like we were doing something that could take an hour but yeah, just taking us three hours because who’s in charge and basically says he has this we can do nothing about it. And I knew it. I had the same for me. So I know it was always getting out. But going through all that like door being in the military, I lost, I was married I went through a divorce. I had my kid I had a son My son got put back across the whole country and stuff like this. And then I had a daughter while we split so it’s like my family and everything was in Arizona but I was stationed across the country so that right there starts this like you gave you like your humanity type thing to go play military for for nothing. So it starts to become this black hole. I was born with not with a lot of people that have supported me the person that the only person that really ever supported me. As I call him my stepmom she passed away while I was in the military but the military gave me four days off you come here come to the funeral and then it’s back to work. So this dark it’s like this black hole starts to become in and it’s terrible. People walk around with all the darkness within them every day like when people die go back to work because you got to survive. But he’s too much. So I was like just working not to look in the dark that I was gathering and I kept working and working, I was gathering dark. And it was starting to like self destruct. Because you can, what you want, you can’t lie to yourself, we all try to lie to ourselves, but it just stays within this. So what is the is you pick up self destructive habits, I’m drinking, going out to the clubs, going trying to find women as sex it out, I lived at a beach. Nothing could help. So we fast forward that the whole military time and it gets to the point where I’m at that boat at the edge, and I’d rather jump because I don’t see no way out. So I realized like my mind flip, it became suicidal, um, I talk about suicide openly. So people can see that you can make it through the painting into to the light. But like we say that it sounds nice. Like I’m giving you a story and maybe touching but in reality, when you’re you hit the wall, there is nothing to help you no one to save you. There is no concept there is nobody is is is hell, it’s a real hell, it’s a hell, you can’t get out of because you your awareness doesn’t go off the sunlight when your spiritual instead it becomes aware that there’s more in the game that can play on you and become destructive.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I’m glad you’re talking about it openly because it is in the news lately. And you know, a lot of people commit suicide, especially a lot of veterans. And I think there’s another alternative that that they should be aware of. I mean, after Robin Williams committed suicide, there were an estimated there was a 10% jump in the number of suicides. It’s estimated that about 2000 people killed themselves after emulating Robin Williams, who otherwise wouldn’t have. So you know, it’s, and right now, since it’s in the news, that they’re flashing all these news stories through the suicide prevention hotline. And, you know, this topic isn’t directly relevant to the purpose of this show. But it is in a way, because life has such tremendous potential and possibility and it can be so wonderful if you know what to do. And it’s just really shame if somebody throws that away, you know,

David Thomas: I wasn’t gonna connect it by saying like, my near death experiences, yeah, let’s talk about that. You feel me? This is how that how that goes into it. So I don’t I just don’t want you to. Because I feel like if we don’t talk about how we feel in those things, people won’t recognize it that they’re in those spaces to understand. If I just say, oh, yeah, has suicide thoughts. It was crazy. And then we move on, I feel like people into it. So things like that. This is only why I’m getting into these things like this. So so having having that mindset, that mind frame when I got out the military. It was so different because now now I’ve went across the world, I’ve seen a lot of things I’ve talked to a lot of people I’m back home to get everything that I thought I lost like my house, my friends, my what my what my known I’m getting my known bad, like I’m putting my ego back where it was created right there. But then you change, Nothing stays the same everything, everything that I experienced groom me, you cannot stop growing. So when you put yourself in circumstances, situations, you grow more. So what this causes me to go home and not fit, and then that’s more depressing, because now that my life is like put together. Like at first I had it and it was nice. And then I left and then I broke it all down, lost it all and I built it back and now I’m out. And now I’m here I’m done. It’s like if you retired, and then it became the most like destructive time in my existence because now I’m just at home chilling like there’s nothing to do everybody struggling around me. They we are not aware why everybody’s struggling. I became more I’m still less is i What’s the point at this point at this at this stage in my life? What was the point? So then it gets very dark and destructive. So then it comes down to suicide, like, I need God or I’m not making it. And this comes from a personal judgment. Like I can see I’m not those I’m not the type of person to be rotisserie. I just read the good well done. If you’re a jump in the grease, then pull me out. I’m not gonna live a long life and be lost forever. So that’s the scariest thing when you’re at such a low point. Tomorrow, I gotta go through this thing, anxiety and all that. So it came to the point of like, suicide. But then, so I attempted the same thing I witnessed my mom do and he wouldn’t even play it to me as I was doing it but I was just so fed up. And this is why I think you only pick up programs and they play back Gainey so I couldn’t I couldn’t like live a life without knowing what what was the purpose? I would ask preachers I would as I would as preachers, pastors, I will, I will look for God and I even joined in college, I was in college classes taking religion courses. Like I’m about to get to the bottom. There’s I’m about to figure this out. Nobody knows. Everyone says like, they know. But if you ask, do you know? I don’t know, I can tell you what they know. So how do you know? No one knows. So it becames I was very aware that nobody knows. And this makes you become very alone. And then I was like, it’s either me and his God. So then my suicide attempt. It sounds so bad, but it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I experienced seeing myself dying. But I was I was aware that I was seeing myself die. And it was so weird to see myself die. But it was It wasn’t even like they’re in a word, like

Rick Archer: an out of body experience where you saw your body lying there.

David Thomas: It’s like, if you play if you play a video game, or if you play a car game, you push a button and then you could just see the car in front of you like that. But I became aware of that the car was the everything. By reality, like my reality was like if I push pause, and I jumped out of my reality, and it was still going and I’m very aware of it’s still happening, and I’m very aware of that one is me. And it’s dying, but I’m not and this is the craziest the craziest thing ever.

Rick Archer: So just to clarify if someone had found you there, and maybe somebody did

David Thomas: I’m guessing like a fish

Rick Archer: you’re thrashing like a fish? Like like were you unconscious? Or yeah, I mean, if somebody had slapped you in the face would you have felt it or you’re just out of it?

David Thomas: effort but I’m watching it so so when we start I’m like, I’m like dying god like I know I’m dead because I can’t get saved at this point. But I’m watching it and I know that well this is it and but I’m watching it not like this is it in it but I’m watching it like so distance so yeah, but but split screen in it and like like this very much in it and very much watching. And I’m like it’s done. But then I’m like, but I’m watching it and that right there connected and then it just goes into this whole this I would call a curiosity thing. Yeah. Like divergent the movie, when the glass is filling up with water and you’re going to die. And you start to like, but how did how is this happening more than the death? You’re not this? Is that that awareness thing that you can’t take? Oh, stead of the dead. I’m dead. Die. That’s great. How did I start live? Is I’m starting to question it. So then it’s just like that’s crazy. Um, I get what do you call it?

Rick Archer: Yeah. resuscitated Brian some medical personnel or something? Yeah.

David Thomas: They do. The whole they found Yeah, yeah. And then I had to do all the things but I was like, I was there. I was like, that doesn’t leave right.

Rick Archer: Isn’t that today? Do you see them doing research study? Yeah, but it’s exactly like I don’t know how to is it was there any kind of times people would have had these near death experiences? It’s like some voice or some their father or somebody comes to him and says it’s not your time to go you have to go back you have something to do? Did you have any kind of sense of that was

David Thomas: that was felt me like my intuition is the same thing that told me like, don’t check your mom. Yeah, that was like, but it’s like centered in me even if I don’t have a body of senators like from within you. It comes out and it’s no it’s not words. Because who is no speaker it? Is it just annoying. Yeah. I don’t know people if you could get inside, like a whole inside, like a whole package of everything. The way to go, where to go when to go how to go. It just is. So I get this feeling like there’s something more I’m not done and stuff like that. And it was like pulling me or, like I’m pulled to the body. So I come back to the body as if I was like, like, like, like when you dream you come out of a dream. Yeah, but I came back into it but then it’s all that stuff I have to go through. But that wasn’t even the most profound thing that ever happened to me um, that gave me the understanding to teach about dead that if you die unconsciously you will be unconsciously when you die. So this is why you have to wake up if you wake up before you’re dead. You We’ll know when you die or you don’t die when you cross over what to do next. Yeah, that’s why I give these teachings like this. They

Rick Archer: say something like die before you die. In other words die to the small awareness and into the big awareness before your body dies.

David Thomas: And that is that is the password in live minutes. Yeah. When you die before you die. Alright, so

Rick Archer: you had the suicide attempt, you came back, you probably felt like crap when you first came back, because you just tried to kill yourself and you’re full of drugs and booze. But then you then you it’s almost like you started a new life at that point.

David Thomas: That’s the that’s the start of all of this because now it’s not I don’t have to go Lie, Lie Lie. Like for somebody who wanted to know something. The truth is something this is like the only clue that the game is not even part of where you’re looking from, or trying to. The game has nothing to do with what you’re seeking type thing. It’s like the only person of clue of my reality that that gave me a higher perspective. Without that I just be in here shaking people, you know, and all these things, but when once that happened, I knew that there was another level and I never thought of it like spirit because people talk spirit and you hear ghosts but as awareness is different, so that started to serve so even more than anything I was like it just like lit this will Oh god this fire within my spirit to like, I will know this, like I don’t even know how to I don’t know how to say it. We you know, you know, like, it’s pulling it is calling you out on I don’t know how to say but it is felt like I need to know. So I I just processed every idea that I ever had. And I know that sounds crazy. But to me they’re just like bubbles concepts but when it’s into what you call Samadhi and this is before the word this is before meditation This is before all these things I just was so curious and stuff. I had read an article I had read an article that that was just breaking my mind. It talked about like the Titanic in a book being written before the Titanic actually happened but yet the things that happened in the book then it happened then it was it was another it was just like stories like that a person going to the Grand Canyon in Arizona taking a picture with a camera that wasn’t even created yet. And then late years later he goes there and sees this picture with the camera he just bought already there. Stories like that and these are stories and you can see the proof the book is published before the Titanic so you can catch it and it just starts to unravel my mind like I don’t know what reality is. See the reason we don’t experience raw reality is because we the belief and I know what this is it’s gravity. Yeah, gravity but what is gravity? You know, I don’t know what it what it Oh, and then that opens up so this is what started happening and then there was a lady by I think her name was Christie she does energy work and she was she was talking about the different levels from fear to Enlightenment and all the different levels to go up but then she said this was caught me I had a belief in money that I couldn’t get money or things like this but then I changed my belief and then I got a six figure check to me at that time. So I’m working hard a you working in a different way you thought that is that didn’t fit in no reality I had like Kuwait towards you. How is that hat? What is my mind had no concepts for that. So it made me still and literally I went over and this is like when we say the practice of not this not that. I literally didn’t know who I was. And I became aware I didn’t know who I was. I’m African American. So I don’t have no history. I don’t have no culture. I don’t have no language. I don’t have no God. So for me, this is very, very, very strange. Like I never thought because you never think about that. Like you’re running on no programs even. You don’t even know. You don’t know who you are, you know where you come from. You don’t know what the capability what this is, you know how much power this can put out. You don’t know what’s capable and this became The truth Truth to me I did not know. But then I start to, like go to myself. Well, I’m David. But David something they call you, David and they’d like evaporate. I’m the body and then know the body already experienced death. No, the body stays, you go. And literally, I kept going, I kept going, Who am I until I experienced? And this is what the Self Realization is when we talk about Self Realization. I am nothing. Everything that I’m paying attention to, has nothing to do with what I am. I thought I was the things I was paying attention to I am I entered being pure awareness. This is when that Samadhi stars.

Rick Archer: Yeah, that’s the key point. I mean, so you did self inquiry. And you know, and what you just described as actually reminiscent of teachings and teachers and things they’ve said, like Ramana. And people like that is not this not this, not this, not this and you get it, you boil it right down to the essence. And then there’s that self realization, self recognition. Samadhi. Exactly. That’s something you did like over a course of months, or was that like in a single sitting? Under the tree, you just sat down there and got right into it

David Thomas: exactly like that. Because you can’t lie. Like when I say I teach people, if you want to know, see, there’s different levels. And if I tell you, we’re talking about self realization, then we’ll go into the higher level, when I’m talking about, you have to want this more than your reality and nothing in your reality, like literally, and this is what the worst can’t convey to a person. Because what you have to do is cut every single thing that you’re attached to. So when I was like, I’m a dad, I’m a father. Well, Mike, the same way I am. Am I my dad, I go, am I my dad? No, but he does have nothing to do with me. So what I do, does that have to do with my kid? No, they’re just them. I’m attached. So I’m not the I’m not that and I have to throw it literally you have to cut every single thing that binds you to this reality. But people are scared of that. Because literally you, you everything in the reality that you’re buying to make sure you this is what you say I’m the job. I’m the person on the politician. I’m the preacher. I’m the past. I’m the parent, I’m the mom, I’m the dad, I’m the human, I’m the thoughts. I’m the fit, you have to cut all of that, how am I aware of it, then? If I can be aware of it, I can’t be it. So you cut it and you have to literally let it go. But you don’t know where you’re going with this.

Rick Archer: So how old are you now?

David Thomas: I’m 31.

Rick Archer: Wow, you’re young. And so how old were you when this other thing when this Samadhi thing happened? Were you to cut through everything.

David Thomas: This This happened in 2015? I started three years

Rick Archer: ago or something? Yeah. Okay. And in those three years, you know, you’ve started talking about this and dealing and I want to have you tell us more about that actual experience. But I just want to ask, you know, in the last three years, since you’ve been talking about this and telling people about it now, have you met anybody else who’s been able to do it the way you did just sort of like with this kind of finality, where you just cut right through everything got right down to the essence.

David Thomas: Someone Yeah, this is this is able to be, I’m able to teach it like this is why I started teaching this for real, because I just thought it was me. And I never knew that it was real, because I wouldn’t have never spoke about this ever. Because if you experienced, like, he can’t talk about it, but you tilt it, you got it, you have to like if you want to share it, you fill it with light and you can’t hold it but you know, they won’t understand it. But it’s still filling your so you have to let it out. And it’s just I used to tell I told my wife, I experienced God and we just left it at that and the way I am I’m not a person to just make up. I don’t have no reason to make things up. So she she already knew that something happened to me. My friend Terry, I called my brother Terry. I told him, there was a little more awakenings to this, but I told him I experienced the absolute and I can tell you the things but and he and he knew that I was telling the truth because he knows my character like we grew up so he knows my character. So I went out there to Arizona one time with a man I broke him out of the day and his mind was blown like his mind was blown. He could not grasp it, but he grasped that he could not grasp it. And that was the what he had to grasp. And then I was showing him the stars. And it was so much for him and then so he had like a full awakening type thing. But it was a an awakening. It wasn’t the I wasn’t like practices. I was just like, yeah, let me let me hit you with the Choose somewhere to play, you can’t deny let’s see what happens. And then what happened was that so I realized it was I could consciously from experience that play the reverse engineering, come back with some steps and understandings to dissolve, I guess your ego, your soul, or not the so your, your dissolve your idea that you think you’re an idea?

Rick Archer: Yeah, it will sort of help people get disentangled. Yeah. And it held him out of the cocoon.

David Thomas: It helped them because now his mind is able to grasp that he can do anything or be anything. And it’s not like an idea. This is an idea. And so you have the reality.

Rick Archer: Yeah. So if you could elaborate a little bit more on what your actual experience was when you had that initial samadhi experience? I mean, if you if you try to describe it a little bit more,

David Thomas: okay. So when I talk about my experience, I always had to make it clear that I’m talking about to it’s a progression experience, but it’s going through self realization. And that’s the when people say, I am no thing and then I am everything. So and then you got to keep going beyond that. And it’s hard to explain because

Rick Archer: then you realize, you realize Self Realization, what does that mean? Obviously, I’ve heard the term but I’ll try to describe it to people. Alright, so

David Thomas: basically, I’m like I can, I can even like help you. Alright, so you sit down, or you don’t have to sit down but it’s, it’s the it’s the stillness within you doing this. It’s like you’re meditating even when you’re walking your meditation you are one point it on the one thing in existence, and what got caught. What caught me in it in this is that the idea that people things were written before they happen. People, they took pictures before people before they would take the picture. People are using their thoughts to pool everything I’ve been trying to work. I couldn’t put that in. No. Like when you have. I have a son, when you put the little things in the circle goes in a circle. Yeah, triangles on a triangle. Once he’s done, I couldn’t make it go square peg in a round hole. So like, my hope, like my whole games filled out. And I have three pieces. And I don’t know where these pieces go. Wait, how is this possible? My mind can’t get past things because of what I experienced. So I really, I had no way I could formulate my theory of everything to fit this. No way could I understand it. So it caused me to be one minded one focus, even when I was moving around. My body was doing what it was doing. But I was like focused inwardly. What did Hey, what how is this possible? What am I then what what, like, what’s really going on with me there? So then it starts to focus inward first. So the first key to this is concentration? Can you be concentrated in relief? Even when things are moving? Just focus in really on one thing? What am I? What is really going on? So if I focus my inner eye to become aware of this, so then I started doing everything. I’m not David, I’m not my body, my body will go I’m not my thoughts. My thoughts change, who is the one aware of the thoughts? I’m not my relationships, I’m not the people. I’m not this, I’m not that and I’m just going on, on and on and on. And it’s like I’m empty and everything I think I can believe I am. And this is basically my mind how I think all my marbles are concepts, and I’m pulling this one Oh, not this, not that. And then it gets crazy. It starts to go to groups. Because then I start to connect all this. If I’m not the body, anything that goes with the body we can throw out so I’m not any smell any sigh, any touch any, any taste, any feeling. So all of those anything I’ve ever touched anything I’ve ever tasted anything like a group. So all that up, so then we get on my energy, but who’s aware of the energies? And when they change? What are you worried? I’m not that all that goes? Who’s the thoughts? All that goes into I became I in my mind? who’s aware of the mind? Who is talking, and who is listening? And then it became something so aware. Why am I talking to myself and listening to myself as if I’m not the so then it splits? Who’s talking to me? Who’s the one aware of that? And then it gets like, my mind. Like I catch they’re the one pretending and then I’m like so what is that? If I’m not the mind? Everything I know is my mind, but I’m not the mind. We throw away the mind and what’s left is just your pure awareness. But since you do this in a reality and it was like over nine hours, just being He like I’m moving and stuff but I’m not like I’m staying on this and inwardly so then what happens is nothing’s left and literally, you’re only left so what happens is is it’s like if you open your eyes for the first time when you see your reality your reality is not unknown your reality is literally you because you realize the only one that has ever experienced you is you every sound every taste every touch every single thing was you every problem is the mirror effect you want you put your belief on it, it was not like that and then you experienced what you put on it the one that experiences anger is the one that creates the anger puts it on something gets mad and experience it’s all a mirror thing right back at you. So I was able to get out the mirror and realize that and then I became everything like everything everything because you already are everything you’re not a body so if you believe your body you have to believe you’re the floor that the body is on so if you believe there’s a floor you got to believe you’re the ground the ground gives you food so part of you is the food what makes the food the rain you the ground you the rain because it’s the whole system so every literally every everything in my reality got connected to one that’s it is one all of it. It’s not a thought though. It like just walk in help people see it because it’s not I’m not thinking I’m happening within your mind right now within your heart right now. I’m happening within you. And you’re happening within me, we’re in each other and it all is.

Rick Archer: I have to tell you something funny. Somebody just posted something on Facebook, it just popped up in the corner here it said, they said somebody named Laurie. She said, Holy shit, Rick, he’s so good. Like that. said, David, you say you have a fan out there, you got a new fan.

David Thomas: We’re all reflections. This one I called people my reflection because literally I am you You are me it is all in this is how easy when you know, you know, and if someone knows, you can tell that they know because the only thing they can point to is you, you is your ID I can’t give you I’m gonna give you what you already are. But the more people know who they are, the more they know what we all are. So this is the freeing thing of this. If you wake up, we all wake up. But that’s just that’s that’s self realization. So this is self realization and realize and everything that ever happened to me is me. Who’s mad, who made up that you what’s mad, and I did a concept. So who’s holding that and putting the experience to me, I’m doing all this to myself, I set myself up and myself. So once you know that you’re able to be at peace with everything, all the beings in the world. And this goes beyond physical. Um, even in my dream like nightmares, I had a half a dream that’s monsters trying to get me. I am so self aware of who I am even in the thing I feel compassion for the monster, I hug the monster in my sleep. Because I know it was me. And if I was in that predicament, I will need love. So therefore you lay all the traps, you get out of all the chips out of this. But your greatness becomes the trap. This is at that level because now I am God. And then this is the chat that people get caught into spiritually. When we talk about spirituality, the more you give it up, the more you become it. No one thinks to give up everything and whatever is left is the pure spirits of everything. You’re never going to keep anything. So if you think you’re going to keep anything you’re slowing yourself down. But thinking you’re going to keep it so you’re you’re you’re you’re stagnant, you’re slow, if you know that it comes and it goes I’ll die one day and I don’t know when that is I better get it and then enjoy it all. You get in and you enjoy it. You lose wives houses, you lose cars, you lose your life, you lose a high Yes, but did you live life and that’s what it’s about. Everything becomes a reflection of you. So the same way you use Samadhi to experience oneness. This never stops. So when I see you if I keep looking at you, I will start to see God in you. Or I see God in you but I’m trying not to focus it or will fall into some type of love. If you look somebody in the eye you’ll see yourself looking at yourself. If you’re self realized if you know what you are all this issue, but then you Who gave you this, I think some people get so enter this. Now that is the I M this is what God is I am self realization. But if you don’t get caught in You answer who is another love light? So I break it down like this First we have the duality everybody’s duality me versus you my stuff and yours The this is how it is. And then we transcend into the what we call oneness all is one I am you You are me we are one. But then beyond that is the numbness. And this is no it just killed me try to think about some language to put to it, there is nothing right when you can give up being aware. And this is where you gotta just you gotta have a drive for this every single thing where I tried to convey this is put every future life every past life and this life, everything you will ever be in your existence right here right now and jump fully jump into the dark. And it will even by even your awareness the way I experienced this as my awareness as if it went into itself. Like evaporated into itself. So I earn became, but see these words don’t convey that. How can you

Rick Archer: make sense? There’s there’s a thing in the Bhagavad Gita which says it’s like a tortoise drawing its legs within its shell, you know

David Thomas: exactly how it is. Yeah, I never knew that is Zack like that. So you go within yourself, but you’re not, you’re not this anymore. You’re everything. You’re just awareness, though. But awareness going into awareness. And then that’s when it happened. The there is a God, there is a lie, that this is the

Rick Archer: first happened to you? Did you kind of lose it again? And then you had to rediscover? Or did it stick with you?

David Thomas: When I say those who know do not say and those who say do not know, what they’re trying to say is that is you can talk it because it’s like saying yes and no on every single question you say? So if you say Oh, negatives are negative, so you say are positive or positive? Is it that no. So it’s caught in between yes and no is an is not. But you see, I can’t even articulate it. But I can tell you what it feels like. Right? So if you want to experience what I call God, realization, you have to even give up your self realization of being pure awareness and all that. So we I don’t know how to say you give up you just have to have the desire to know what who created you. So first, we want to know what am I then we understand what we are, but who created such a magnificent thing. Like it’s beyond, it’s beyond. It’s like if I give you heaven and everything in it, can you turn away heaven, they say, but who created Heaven or what you get lost in heaven. So if you can not get lost in heaven, which is the key thing you employ either you don’t employ but you go inward, even deeper to unmanifested than what is there. The way I experienced it is like as if I went in and then a sun was just on me, the way the way as if the sun was right, literally on your neck. And lay you know, how you get chills is no it’s right there, you know. So your awareness, you don’t have to kill killing this

Rick Archer: effect. You may not know this, but a lot of things you say are things that have been said for centuries in the spiritual traditions. Like for instance, the thing about heaven, you know, some traditions say, well, it’s really hard for angels to get enlightened or even one Enlightenment because heaven is so wonderful. It’s very, they don’t want to close their eyes, you know. And you actually have to somehow go beyond that. But it’s it can be so alluring that you don’t want to go beyond it or you don’t even think of going beyond it.

David Thomas: It says that it because people think that when I tell people to enter the absolute you have to pass a guardian. What I mean by that is if fear rules your life, you will have to face whatever fear that is like if you believe that there’s a devil if you believe in that those things those things will manifest because they’re of your mind your mind is trying to keep you keep you there. So then when you if you go past fear your mind plays this last trick give you heaven. You never prepare for heaven. I get to do anything. Everything all of us be everybody And whatever you can conceive of everything is even beyond that because it’s infinity everything you’ve been the words are different but you’re very aware that you are everything in existence everything every moment every state every third, all of this is happening within you anywhere, but you just get to experience it. But that can catch you because how is this so we go into the the unbecoming man it’s as if the sun when right here you turn around the thing about this is that it is the most scariest thing that can ever scare you and this is the greatest thing to find that the absolute is real you could never imagine that is you cannot fathom that but it breaks you literally breaks anything else everything else that was gonna get you to be not what you are it strips every single thing away I’m gonna start crying if I keep thinking about it and cry because now you don’t understand I’ll start I won’t be able to speak they’ll make

Rick Archer: the video even more popular

David Thomas: see what it is now literally because look as a human you’re taught that your own worthy of danger Tada you lie you’re taught that you’re broken you’re taught that you’re missing out you’re taught that you’re you’re taught that the judgment on you we all walk around unknowingly with this judgment this grudge the weight on the world of I got to be perfect I got to do perfect things I’m not good enough what about the things I did last year? What about the things I did all these things this never goes away the mind doesn’t let it go think about what you call a memory is just hate myself hate myself hate myself all like that. But when we get to the absolute with one word, but it’s not a word I’m just trying to give you some way to communicate this to every cell you don’t have cells I’m trying to say it is known to your being in every single level because like I said if you put your past your future of everything into one and jump through that one that perfection of being pure awareness, it will heal it will fix every single thing you are liberated enlightened is because what God is as an experience if I can give you an experience as if every son in the universe got together and then you jumped into that and that was peer experience of pure bliss pure love pure joy names for things you can even name them happenings and non happenings and just everything in existence compiled up into one sun and that sun is who we all are we all stream out of that sun and we all go back if you knew this you will be free because no man no no demon no angel nothing in existence could bind you because what those demons those angels are is the same thing that you are you literally become liberated because you enter the light God is the light and all is God and it’s it’s it’s your birth right that’s the point of this like the way you feel that I don’t know the point of this and it sucks and you and pain in their hurts. There is something gathering all of that just for you it is multiply over and over. And the way I tell people is like jump in pure ecstasy and it’s time a million now now times 10 million now 100 million now a billion now 100 billion now a zillion our hundreds and realize when you just realize that this thing is not going to stop if you lose it because what’s the point of counting when you can’t count and it’s still going as if it just started? It is everything um god please don’t use the word guys because you don’t know God. You don’t know what you are you don’t know it is nevertheless you this is the love of true love. I’m not attached. And when I see the sun every day is always taking pictures of the Sun is exactly like that has nothing to do with you is still shining for you. Because your heart is beating with it. It is breathing you it is thanking you and you will use what you will return to and all of this drama and all these things, all these things you care about as limiting holding you back the idea of an ego or not an ego trying to be good or bad. All of this renders it doesn’t matter if you’re good or bad or evil. All you know is the light that’s it. So you are it sets you Right. Um, because you have it’s like a drug. Like I can’t wake up without thinking is I can’t go to sleep without thinking it I’ll go read my dreams and then I’m trying to I know where the lights like hey, it overwhelms you everything so it’s not like I voluntarily want to be a spiritual teacher I just wanted the truth happen to find it and now this is this cat if you know the light what else you could talk about everything shallowness it doesn’t know everything let’s talk about everything every day all day and that’s who you are then then you’re enlightened not by I am enlightened and I studied it yeah no choice because your freedom is Enlightenment. Who you be if I’m walking around run if I can make it a run on the hill in the expression in which I do it the light of me doing my presents itself becomes that light even bad things become blessings it just sit still you watch and about the booze everything and literally that’s after because you it’s weird. Because when I say a wisdom human has seen knowledge if I can label it I don’t know it but if you go to the wisdom of AI M site where where you speak from is your heart is no thought process no more because you know, it’s all ends well, it all is perfect. We’re having this conversation this interaction, because it was already manipulated for it to be and from this happening, sprouts more happenings that would either talk to people in the world or give people like a spread and it’s not you don’t own this you are this is why when people try to obtain it, how do you obtain letting go? The more you put into you, the more you’re hurting yourself. Yeah, but I really know what it is. But it’s not a theory. Yeah, no, but I’ll find out some more then you just be so then I seen the fact that me just being it makes people it breaks them out of the door. Literally, you are in your walking like you don’t know why you don’t know how it just is like, like me and you can do the exact same things right? Or even me and me, Me before me out there if I do if I mimicked and said the same thing did the exact same things to different outcomes, because of what is moving me What is saying me What is beating me living me, it is in full control now because give when I say Let Thy will be done, who else will is there? Who else is here, but the one it’s all the one you can iron it’s all about and it’s just and then blessings and blessings and then and then the crazy parts and stuff started happening? But reality will start to literally play with you like a kid like like make you laugh and different types of things like this becomes dangerous because you’ll say something that didn’t ever happen like happened happened. You start to I give me an example. I was making I was going to the park the other day I had my backpack and then I was thinking like it’s so crazy how everything is perfectly divine order because it’s impossible for you to go somewhere and meet the right person when there’s 7 billion different situations and even more than that because 7 billion is giving you a thought of it could be however me you don’t really know. So how does things happen? And straight when I was thinking about this I ran into my friend that I met in the military from seven years ago like I had to be on that hill right at that time and if I would have came earlier or not I would have missed them and I got right in contact and I was like exactly like that it people see it and then they idolize it but you can’t idolize these things because it’s not a you become a me you’ll become any human it’s nothing human right you got to see that you are the spirit and let the Spirit be and then that’s how you fully get everything that you are your child the child in you was the perfection of you. It didn’t have I got to do this to get profit. How was my profit margin who’s gonna like it? Who’s got it? No, it was actually you seen the cat you’re after the cat and that’s what she did fully with your heart and that’s that joy but doing things in that joy a bring success with you. It brings joy with you and everything you do, and you’re not really doing that. That’s how you everything is done by not being not you’re doing it. You just show up like what’s up Man Are you making me feel good? How are you doing this? Oh because there’s no pressure there’s no gravity on you when I’m around you I’m looking at you I want to be interested in the things that you are you become a mirror perfect mirror and when you look in the mirror if the mirror is clean or been clean going through a harvest reflects back the light that is you like I’m normally you and that’s made people that’s the light for people now like I have been through things and you’ll never made you know, because I made it you definitely gonna make it that’s what changes the teaching I guess. Sharing love being love that’s it be love what will love look like in your capacity? And whatever you think that is? Be that with no hold backs and you will have the perfect life that you always dreamed of? Because this is how God did it. It made you perfect. Oh, you just playing human as a mother? That has nothing to do with God. What you are innately pulled to Oh bugs or Oh Lee trained her Hmm, I wonder how the burgers or whatever it is. Whatever, you’re gifted, if you go all the way in it, it will become one of one because you’re one of one and the one that’s the beauty of this individuality in the oneness, you get to be you and you get to be God. People who jump and forget the other. You got to do like this The I’m perfectly with it. I’m happy. It doesn’t take anything it doesn’t. You just be when you be right here. We don’t need words. You know that? I know. And I know that you know, and I know that we are so that is it’s the silent conversation. It’s just it’s felt and it’s always telling my on my video Do you feel me? If you’re processing and analyzing me you will not feel me? It’s energy before the word so you got to lose the words and feel the energy people get caught up on the word did I say Right? Did you feel what I was trying to point to? That’s really what it is because the words ain’t really real is A E I O you I’m in clicks and sounds guys not a clicker Son and God is but first you got to let it go to get it back. So then you complete you can even be bad but you won’t be bad as I’m even when I’m when you could just be bad like I buy the store and you’re free. You wouldn’t even destroy it because it’s you but you’re free. Who cares with their say they won’t understand me on what it was I don’t understand me. How can I get someone else that understanding? You don’t even think about those things no more you just you end the live now right here right now it is I only know that I am and I know that there is God that is it. That’s all you need to know who you got, you got the coach in the game, the light isn’t enough. And then you plan and whatever your divine destiny is. Because now I go around the world, finding my own reflections, waking them up, but not waking them up. Like you need to get up and be better. Walking around being up makes people want to I want to be like you, you seem to be happy. All right, it is all about stillness.

Rick Archer: Nice. You’re such a nice roll. I didn’t want to interrupt and say hey, you’re just really

David Thomas: getting it strange.

Rick Archer: Yeah, no, it’s great. Love it. You gave me some nice points that we could discuss. I think you’ve covered some of them. But let’s let’s dig into a few of them. One thing that you thought you’d want to discuss is the dark side of awakening and Enlightenment. What’s the dark side of those things?

David Thomas: The dark side of this is believing that it will fix you because people I’d like like I literally if you talk about Enlightenment, first of all we talking about alignment as questionable to the ego like ah who knows if he is or not. So what was crazy about it is that if we can get past that and you can continuously try to help someone liberate somebody or even teach this is why you can’t really teach someone that isn’t seeking it themselves. Because what they do is they make up some they make up something like when I’m enlightened, then I’ll be ready to start my career when I’m in light and then I’ll have a magic power when I’m enlightened. Then I’ll fix my relationship when I’m enlightened. Oh, I won’t even have to do it. It will be like, like, I will be a guru. I’ll put my myself, like I get all these powers. It’s not like that. That’s that’s one thing I don’t like that the more we say is very difficult. The more people make it difficult in their minds, when it’s actually the most simplest thing before you think what is happening? Nothing. That’s exactly what is happening. Nothing is simple. But people make this thing. Oh yeah, I’ve seen in the lighting, being the people put all these things on gurus and mark the face up and all this. So you you come in there and you’re human and act up and be like, Oh, this is like, basically the President is only a person with a name. It’s not like he knows more, and he has a power I’m the president. It’s just a do, everybody’s just the same. But when we start to idolize these things, put people above ourselves, we, we got to get through that. And from it, the dark side of it is that you can’t stay in the light is one thing, you can’t stay in the light. It becomes like a drug and but this is hard to talk about the light. When you experience the light it will consume your whole being everything in your reality will be pulled towards this, but you cannot stay in the light because it’s absolutely you won’t be able to function like I won’t be able to move this because I will be absorbed literally absorbed into it. Even if it starts to take part of like your life energy if you stay into the absolute but the thing is, is that so you have to come back down this is just like any drug. After you get super high you got to deal with being super love that right there is the most depressing stage of your whole awakening. I thought I was depressed I thought I was low and depressed before that. After that it’s this is when the spiritual practices have to come in this is when you have to start getting in nature and staying present staying and then staying this is why it’s all you have to balance all of this because you will know that there’s a truth you won’t be able to convey it you will know that everyone else in this world is suffering and you will be able to feel their suffering because the Self Realization never leaves you still are everything everything is but when you go back into that you’re open your heart that what what you call pain is the only pain that ever existed. So, you know that your pain is the closest thing you can understand to anybody’s pain. So, you realize how bad it was for you is how bad it is right now for everybody on this planet and not right there is a dark side of this because you you connect it to many die you cannot like you cannot stop looking at the dots you connect the you know it is very much there. So, when we talk about man, this is what can split your your being because you see that we live in like caveman times. When people people will not acknowledge a person for their color. That’s like having an eye color that oh no your eyes wrong color. We don’t we don’t get in. That’s literally how crazy that is. People will kill for that. I’m realizing that people put people’s intellect down. Every single thing is like being stuck. That’s why you got to know the whole system to understand it all completely. It’s like when you see slavery, we talk about putting women down we talk about like even religion telling you you you will go to hell and all these things. We don’t never ask where did the things come from? All of this is revealed to you. But then you see how maddening the world is you see all of your reflections living in hell dealing with that isolated by themselves going through the same thing. The the gift in the pain is you to experience it, realize it and then wake up and then you realize that from your personal experience now you can go back to heal the pain that you experienced. I can’t do something I never experienced and this is what people need to realize they’ve been so so much things on TV, wars and hunger and things that they just put this on themselves and it makes them feel like they can’t move. But you can actually help your situation if you were overweight if you were depressed if you deal with anxiety if you whatever you personally your personal demon was if you overcome it now this is why you’re in the game now. So now I’m in the game to fight help fight depression. Why? Because I experienced it. I know what it’s like to be on the other side literally. And that right there gives the connection to actually make change. Not someone I studied it, because I send the theory of studying it. Oh yeah, here’s the pen Uh, but do you know what the pills are doing? And really, to me, it says, The only three we take the pill. And now let’s see, see what I mean? You understand. So this is the whole. So you got to come all the way back around to the circle, go to the line, come back to the ground, and not just, I’m going to a cave, I just need to get back to the light. People get addicted to even having a self realization they get addicted to I just want to be oneness. They don’t want to be in it too. So you got to the dark side of that is you got to learn how are you going to put all this and still maintain your sanity in this world, because I can feel your pain even when you’re trying to deny it. Because the way you act, the way you your mannerisms, and the way you speak, it’d be a flow and then it’ll change at a drop, or to go higher to job. It’d be like, Oh, yes, I’m I’m David, my name is this. What’s your favorite color? I’m green. You see it a dry, it’d be filled. But you got to be crystal clear to understand this. But until we acknowledge that dark side, we don’t have a lot of people lost and putting in return lists those homes, retirement homes, not even retired. Well,

Rick Archer: why do you care? Home mental

David Thomas: institute? Yeah, yeah. Because you can experience this and then you get people saying, I’m Jesus. Things like that. But they could be halfway to the truth. But until you like, you got to fully ground this back to the like, the whole circle of this. If you can do that you can walk around in the world, but not of the world, helping the world realizing you are the world. That’s the whole point. So because like what would be the point, I’m gonna go and just get back to

Rick Archer: the story about rom Das, you know, who around us is, ya know, ROM? Yeah, his brother was in a mental institution. And because he, his brother thought he was God. And so rom das went to visit him. And he said, you know, the reason you’re, she said, I think I’m God, too. But the reason you’re here in this institution, and I’m not, is that you think you’re the only one who is God? And I think everybody’s got

David Thomas: exactly that’s the key right there, the ego, the brain locks you up. And that’s the thing that the determining factor is, do you see this for everybody? Or do you just still say a me if there’s a meter, then you’re still you need work. But if you say, we are God, God is all his god, oh, you’re complete, you should have. But you could tell because people should have a way of explaining this. Or if they can verbalize it or articulate it, they should be like, let me show you close your eyes. And then they can get you to what they’re talking about. But we got to be open them. This is how they explained enlivenment. This is how he’s experienced. And this is how it is, we have to be open that it’s not like one thing, one size fits all, we have to like, one on one. If a fish experience in life, you got to do something to water. If a bird does it, he’s flying, doing flips. And if you’re doing it, you may not be a bird or fish and if we can understand it like that. It’s the full thing. So it’s all about pulling it all back together one every every great Guru Buddha, Jesus, I am you You are me. When we see Jesus getting home, Buddha is in the state of he’s the nail, he’s the cross. He’s the person he’s the one. It’s no one there, but you forgive them for they don’t know what they do. They don’t realize that they taken away the light in their lives. People get on the concept of Jesus. No, Jesus was a concert, the Buddha was a concert. It’s not like that. They’re being showing you that there was so much more here, you should highlight that part. And come for that game.

Rick Archer: I heard you say earlier that it was sort of like spiritual practice became useful for you after this awakening experience to kind of process and begin to work through all the stuff that was getting stirred up. If If I understood you correctly, I’ve heard in some of your videos saying that you start your day with like 20 minutes of just really concentrated gratitude, gratitude, gratitude, gratitude, and then you also meditate a couple hours a day. Is all that still the case? And, you know, what do you advocate or encourage people to do along those lines?

David Thomas: You got to do you like there ain’t no way but your way is the way I’m, what I do is that since I experienced death, I know that this could come at any second. I’m like, you don’t lose this type of awareness. So when I wake up in the morning, I’m here I arrived again. So I’m here to play round two. I can get better I can get more I can have these things. So have for you to have more you already got appreciate the stuff you already have. Um so what’s the most precious thing that you have I am my life I am my mind is still here, I’m still able to process these things my health is still here, I still have a voice I’ll be writing this down, I still have a mind and a way to write this down. Like you got to get lost in this appreciation and, and stumbled into your day because it says the way your consciousness sees reality. So when you start and you just pause like soon as you wake up, my first thought is thank you God, I’m here again, round two. And then more, I am thankful for whatever it just starts shooting out whatever I’m thankful for. For this beautiful day for the sunshine for the dark, I wake up in the morning morning, it’s like for something three, sometimes I’m thankful for the silence because in the silence you see the gift of everything. I’m thankful for the bird, the bird giving me a beautiful son, I’m thankful for the when the spirit that moves all that is in that never is able to be caught. I’m thankful I’m thankful for the rain that is at me I drink clouds, I’m thankful for the tree, the other side of my lungs, I’m thankful for the planet I have a home I’m thankful for the solar system that makes me it just goes and grows and then you wake up and or you get up and then you just like you in that vibration you just sit in there you sit and marinate in it. And that’s like just practices um, but depending on I don’t have to do any of that it still is but that’s my my respect. Somebody gave me a car and I can go do anything drive around, break a crash and build something with it all these things and then they gave you an earth and then they gave me 7 billion reflections then they gave me the wareness to know that within every single being is God potential to be everything. So if everybody’s Einstein if everybody’s the Buddha everybody’s Jesus you see on that level, the potential of humanity we all can wake this up in the world is going to transform so you see this thing you know it and you know their part in this to be me is to cause this. I’m thankful I could have had a job. Right? This is this talking the truth to people and change their lives. This is the it’s perfect. Like if you could say what would you want to do if you had to do anything and what I am is what I do and I am that I’m thankful for it. I remember there’s a time when I hated my life I’m in the military I’m in the store I’m in visiting this job. So we always do this I want more I wish I had a better situation and things like that. But when you have it do you catch it so I catch mine in the now every time frees me up sets me in the right mood on when I’m out in the world now people talking to you if someone’s talking whatever you’re so within that spot you send them love you send them compassion you understand like you can’t even see that you hear and nothing bothers you. And then just finding find it like if you’re depressed and out in nature. I go skating. I’m staying at the beach, I’m always walking on a trail, you have to get your mind to work in see the open sky because this is when your intel is going to open up look into the clouds and start to like for like look, no one looks up there’s all on the ground looking at you. Look up and see the amazement go out and to the beach and see how far the horizon is how deep does the ocean go? How far is the moon look into the galaxy? Open? Open makes you okay. That’s what it is?

Rick Archer: Do you have a job or I heard you say at one point that you worked as an electrician? Do you still do something like that?

David Thomas: I gave all that up? Um, because of this.

Rick Archer: How do you support your family?

David Thomas: I don’t even understand is how would you say I created a business out of this. And that provides

Rick Archer: by talking to people and consulting them or

David Thomas: Yeah, so it’s like, I guess it’s like, I don’t know that’s I call it a I don’t what do you call it? I just help people and my perspective. I just help people. And so it’s like coaching Gotcha. Yeah, that’s one Enlightenment coaching type thing. So kinda like that just make a business and stuff I even like my clothing right here. I made clothing lines and then that start to go but then I just literally I just quit it all to test it. I don’t know how to say this. If you walk with God, God will walk with you. But I’m so aware of that what do you want to it’s like no compromising on your goal if this job is getting in the way of your goal and your dreams don’t go to this job and this is the only truth that you can know and if you say what’s going to happen after before you’re not working with God if you say the same me cut it I’m leaving give it all to God you move like this. But what happens is that like I

Rick Archer: see how do you Spirit let me reminds me of that thing that beautiful thing that Jesus said, you know, see not the lilies of the field they They neither toil nor so or something they don’t prepare for tomorrow but even Solomon in all his glory was not adorned as one of these you know and so if God will take care of you know a little flower like that, certainly he’s going to take care you

David Thomas: the same one that gave you the day will take care of you through today. Um, but but I’m having a hard time to explain it because it ain’t it’s not explainable. So it’s awareness thing you have to let and this is part of the waking up going through this um me and my wife we already through to internet money basically like even like stocks or setting certain things up you can make income over the internet so having that it was actually frees me my intellect about that but testing it last year was the test of this will God will we sink or swim? And and nobody like? God is God so if God is God, let’s play this. All right, if God is God, God should be able to provide anything and everything I need it as I need it. And this is something I must know. So how do you know anything? You got to test it? So I could go into a certain job I kept going, doing certain things and I sit still. And I just did what I love that start to make income but it is it’s even crazier, because I call him magic money. Like, literally, well, I guess we’re gonna lose my truck. This this comes in and reality Well, I guess I’ll sell my truck at the eighth on the fifth you get a job or something or you randomly in the mill we overpaid or you overpay for this or that and then $2,000 on Plan perfectly what you need it and then you start to see it, the more you become aware of that. You can just rest in that and then it just like allows you to be but it’s not like it’s not like denial, I still do things but it does. It takes care of what it is, I guess Yeah,

Rick Archer: I understand which is that’s good. We could dwell on any one of these points. You know, we could go on for half an hour talking about each one but I want to move through several other ones. You’ve kind of talked about the difference between self realization and God realization keep touching upon that is there any like fairly concise comment you want to make about that? Because I mean, there’s a lot of spiritual people who don’t even believe in God, you know, they just sort of can they can relate in terms of Self Realization, you know, your your pure consciousness or maybe they they think of it in terms of you are nothing you know, there is no personal self and there’s just an emptiness and you know, realization involves knowing that but, but then they might say there is no such thing as God the universe is random and accidental and arbitrary and, and that kind of thing and to me, that’s kind of a very half baked spirituality. There’s, there’s so much richness if you take it the next step as you have been implying in what you’ve been saying.

David Thomas: So let me be Well, when I say it’s kind of like that. You can’t really say anything about that because I this is like, if you’re a person, if we’ve been talking about self realization, to even get into self realization actually, you have to get into that to open yourself to the possibility of God realization because if you talking about the serve, you don’t even believe that you are everything or you don’t even know what you taught.

Rick Archer: Or you are how are you gonna know what God Yeah, what an apple is?

David Thomas: Is it right there? That’s how easy that is like how can you know if you don’t even know who you are, if you experience who you are, this should be like an highlight last year I felt there was some more because if you can still go you’re not there. If you can be like if you still can ask a question, even in oneness, who is the one where I am the one aware of all every single thing is one it’s one thing but then you are one thing and one no thing but it’s just the MO goes. It just goes with the way your consciousness has to get there. If you want to roll pulling that string to realize, oh, yeah, and then you pop out and then you realize you’re nothing, the string of the string is still there to ask the question, you’re not done yet, until you cannot ask the question, because all answers will be given and given and given that you don’t know more still, we just started, it will flood your flood you. So what I would say is that, you’re just showing your colors, anybody who says something like that they’re just showing their level. It’s not nothing to argue, because how can you argue

Rick Archer: that’s relevant for them at their stage of development or their experience?

David Thomas: You just have to send them love because it’s not even a fair fight. If you try to break this down to because they don’t know who they are, you can ask them that question, then who are you? And then here we go. is literally like a science. If you experienced this, you could just step by step, walk yourself out of creation, be out of creators, and then go inward. And then there you are. But this is oblivious. If you if you never even did any soul searching. Yeah, it’s easy to be in a bleachers, like oh, he should have made that shot. Right?

Rick Archer: Let’s see, you make it. Alright, we this is another point we could go on about but I’m gonna just keep moving through some other ones that you sketched out for me. One is millennials and self realization, we have to say about that.

David Thomas: Um, when we talk about realization, we got everybody refers to the books, right? Um, the Buddha, like when I even use I use, only use concepts that your mind has already absorbed, so you can understand where I’m pointing that when I say the Buddha, I’m directing you and okay, if I know the Buddha, what was the Buddha about and I just like saves time. When I say Jesus, when we say God, you realize every word is a loaded word that already comes with its pre applied everything. When we talk about today’s awakening, what is happening is that the language is not switching for people to realize it. They’re still stuck in the paradigms like I deal with this all the time. So if I say God, you already assume you know what God is, but then I say, oh, but you don’t know who you are. And assuming God is not what I’m saying. They’ll hear it but they can’t get over that word. That’s why people don’t like using words like God and, and Brahman and things like certain things because it already comes with so much baggage. Yeah, so So but even if you see if you actually experienced and you’re like, No, I’m talking about God, it’s still it’s still like Smurfs. Put a smudge on the mirror. They can’t really see it past that cultured. That condition when we have

Rick Archer: to do with millennials.

David Thomas: I’m gonna try to get into that. Okay. Yeah. So when we talk about millennials, you got to realize that the people that teach Millennials don’t realize that millennials within like two years like my son could have absorbed more information about the whole world. But all these things like my 10 year old son, he told me about every crystal it was just naming them this this this and this property I’m like, How do you even know it just like my mind is blown? How do you know that? Oh, I watched the show that we talked about the crystal so I did this and then I looked it up and then I got interested in it now I know them all. And he’s like 10 So that’s more knowledge. So when we talk about if we don’t change the practices of yesterday and to fit the kids or the people of today, we’ll always have this culture gap you got to realize that we’re a world culture if you can look back if we go back like a couple 100 years even I would have been in a cage so if we go back 1000 years that mind frame in which they operate and talked about the light is like it is wrapped around the coach everybody because they used to be your coach or your coach like everybody used to be there kosher not mix but now that we mixed it we have to have a different type of teaching that is zactly from the truth because are you like you water it down, we’re their minds are going higher and if their truth is not reaching their mind, we’re going to have an imbalance fit 15 year old that knows about nuclear science, but he can’t catch that he is you have like It’s like making super weapons. So we have to come back to the time and it’s not a look type thing. Um, I feel like Enlightenment is is is even in mainstream is marketed to be in a live person that sounds Oh, just just a person that knows who you are. You See when we see all these gurus and gold and all this and, and with the all this and that as an as, um, as a youth, you look up and then you take in a hole, that’ll never be me. He sat there and meditated for this, I’ll never get that. So what this does, if we want the world to change, we have to invest in the ones that’s going to change the world, we can’t fix what’s going out to get what’s new, we have to find the truth and teach the truth to the youth. So they know the truth already, right? They’re not programmed all the way. And then that right there is the switching of the dark to the light is one generation type thing.

Rick Archer: So since you have a 10 year old son, and you probably and he has a bunch of friends whom you probably know, or you kind of optimistic, when you look at the way he functions, that, you know, there’s gonna be a whole new crop of, of kids.

David Thomas: Yeah, because they’re because I have the internet, oh, they’re free. They’re connected to their friends on an Xbox with their friends. Like, and it goes beyond colored race. I’m playing my friend in London, we play at a certain time because his hours and my hours and is beyond culture, anything. So we have to teach beyond culture, anything, it has to open up if we don’t open up you. Oh, this is my say it goes back to the game type thing. I have to go learn Enlightenment from my type of person. But if you just everybody’s learning the same truth that we all are, it is all of us. The minds. A self aware kid at this point, changed the world? Yeah, because they had a group of them, Oh, my God. One person made Facebook, one person, that’s one person think about if you have a group of 100 people, that’s that has what is coming today. This is why I take this why it’s always been done without doing. Even technology is just the what consciousness is either it’s all connecting us regardless.

Rick Archer: Yeah, you said in your notes, the importance of the spiritual community. And you know, then you mentioned a whole group of them. So and then you were mentioning the internet. So you know, there is kind of a spiritual community, but it definitely is. But it doesn’t all have to live in some ashram, it can be connected electronically. That’s like dispersed throughout the world.

David Thomas: Yeah, it’s better like that. Because if you look at every spiritual leader that came to try to waken people, they got the person if you say, we talk about Jesus, Jesus was killed by the believers. If we talk about MLK, when he got when it happens to them when they died, the whole, like, the whole movement stops. But in today’s time, we can teach this you can be up and you can be at your place, I can be up in my place, but the whole world can start waking up to the internet. And that’s just being real. And you can’t stop it at that point. Because where is it? It’s everywhere. I can’t say you take one head and it just comes back. Like you don’t want to piss them off, they all started coming out. And that’s what it has to happen people. These cameras and stuff, like, you got to see what’s being presented opportunity I can, I can be right here. And however many people can zoom in or like it that is zooming in, I wouldn’t even have to talk about what could be what is happening right now. People can be anywhere watch this conversation, learn from it evolve from it. And we’re just sitting here, right? That’s what’s going to happen. But more, we’re going to put that in action to this is what’s the difference is the action that comes behind this too. Who doesn’t want to join a team that wants everybody to be better? Yeah.

Rick Archer: That’s great. Well, the team is pretty big and getting bigger.

David Thomas: When everybody’s invited, the weirder you are, if you come with love, let’s see what we can do. Which is not like you have to change for the team. We need you to be how crazy you are for the team because that’s a part of the puzzle. We’re trying to put the puzzle together. Humanity the puzzle comes together, where everybody fits in their place. Because they are what they are. And it’s needed. We need the AI we need the hand we need the mouse. We need the brain we need we need it all. So what you do matters.

Rick Archer: That’s nice. Talking about God a lot. And then when you look at the way God operates, God’s not really into, you know, monochrome, you know, it’s like this, just like explosive diversity. Yeah, no, just there’s so many species and so no two people are alike and no two cats are alike and, and you know, they’re just like, infinite variety and creativity. So I’m part and yet it’s all sort of one part of one large wholeness that’s integrated within it. So

David Thomas: yeah, that’s that’s the that’s the point of it. Um, for everything to cover every base that’s one shot Big Bang. Every base covered all at once we hit every space, we got every single thing at once. This is why everybody comes back and we experienced us. So it’s like, on three, we go on breakout, we’re gonna do whatever we want. And then we go, come back meet in the middle, alright 123 band. And already we come back, you see what we know about ourselves. And we had this, we have the technology, we have everything, we just don’t have the understanding of who we are, we’re just missing us at the point. At this point. It’s like you have the burden to make paradise, but we don’t know who’s in charge of the button. I don’t know. Just push the button. And that’s what it all comes down to.

Rick Archer: We have no I mean, there’s enough food in the world and means of producing food to feed everybody. But there’s a lot of people starving. And that’s because, you know, the Self Realization aspect is missing, which means there impassionate aspect is missing, and so on. And there’s all kinds of marvelous technologies. There’s technologies, which can eliminate global warming, but narrow mindedness and greed are blocking those. So again, the Self Realization aspect of it is missing, because then you wouldn’t have the narrow mindedness and greed. So it’s really the sort of the the common denominator ultimate essential ingredient that that, you know, if,

David Thomas: if what we do right here, it happens. Yeah, then it all falls into play just the last piece of the puzzle us. Who am I, if you know who you work, because like, this is how the game is the pain is going to make you serve so much. Even if you have a billion dollars, you still want more? I want the moon because it doesn’t go away. It just makes it more I shouldn’t be happy on the moon. I don’t know, well, and everybody, I’m still not happy. So what are you going to see, you’re going to seek the inner happiness. So it always turns you back to inwardly. So then that’s when they start their spiritual journey. Who am I. And if you find that because the more you go outward is going to give you the power to come back and really search for so it’s a setup. So once you realize that, like I can’t, when you’ll give it up. And once you give it up, you realize who you are, then you realize everything is one eye on one and then you come back to the understanding that and I’ve been stingy to myself, literally yourself how you love yourself, you will love this world, the way you love yourself because they will be you. So now love yourself and win for yourself. And you don’t have to apply something new, you don’t have to change and you just got to keep winning in this just passing it out is different. uplifting and with that knowing of yourself changes because you give different. It’s different to being a billionaire and giving money that yes, I’m giving your money. Yeah, I’m no one. And then I have to give to myself, what do you need? How can I help you with the heart and compassion of it not as different because you make a connection, and you give, then it comes back the more you give, the more you receive and you start to you start to receive not money, you start to receive connection from people who see you now people who connect with your heart your understanding whatever you’re doing now that people wants to do it with you because they don’t feel that pressure to be judged or I’m lower than you or whatever they see like oh, he’s in the mud let’s get in the mud. They jump in there with you. And now you become a whole beam because now you have really found out found out what real riches are connection with yourself. Everybody’s got the more Gods you connect with intensify. Your brain is unlimited minds unlimited. If I point the mirror at you and you pointed back, we don’t know what we can make. See, that’s the fun part. We don’t know what’s going to happen. But if we say what we’re going to attend, that’s the process anything out there to tell if we make it work. Oh, that’s cool. If we kind of make it we need more people it’s just ideas and let’s get more of us and then somebody comes on a well you should it did it and they tweak it and then we have something new it’s that’s what this is. We had like we’re supposed to be unstoppable. Whatever someone likes the world should have like your other reflection we should have like an ant colony I have you as much as you have me anything to try to get into this has to deal with all of us. So nothing can ever get in and at the same time we can then this is like the Big Bang again. Once we once it’s tight self realization is taught like you go to school and you try one or two three. Once that is tight know what happens from there is what we will call heaven on earth. Literally because you are Earth and you are having one walking. That’s what it’s about.

Rick Archer: Nice. That’s probably a good stopping place. So how can people connect with you if they want to?

David Thomas: If you want to connect with me go to my YouTube is enlightened minds,

Rick Archer: etc. And I’ll be linking to that from your page on BatGap. But how can they connect with you personally? If they want to, you want me to put your email address on the on your page or what

David Thomas: yeah, we can do that I’m gonna, the way I do it is I just give video so you can go to my YouTube follow my channel. And I do Skype so I could put like the Skype Skypes in my videos are things like that, because I’m about talking to the people. Personally, I like to, I like to really know you.

Rick Archer: Well, if you want, well, we can talk about it later. But what however you want people to contact you, I’ll put that on your YouTube page on your BatGap page.

David Thomas: So we just put my email on my YouTube. So either way,

Rick Archer: your Skype ID there, if you want people, you might start getting a lot of invitations. I don’t know how you want to handle that. But if you want, we can do that. You can always take it off again, too. If it gets to be too much.

David Thomas: I’ll let us know how to use it.

Rick Archer: Okay, good. Well, David, it’s really been a lot of fun getting to know you and talking to you today. And, you know, I think you know, you’re, you’re less than half my age, I think you’re gonna live a long life and make a wonderful contribution to the world. You’re already doing that. And, you know, you’re an inspiration to a lot of people. So keep up the good work.

David Thomas: I appreciate it man.

Rick Archer: So let me just make a general concluding remark. I’ve been speaking with David Thomas. And as as always, he’ll have his own page on batgap.com with a little bit about him and necessary contact information. And this again, is part of an ongoing series of conversations. Next week, I’ll be speaking with a visionary cosmologist. And if you don’t know what that is, then tune in next week and you’ll find out. So, thanks for listening or watching and we’ll see you for the next one. Thanks, David.