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Courtney Amundson Interview

Rick Archer: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer. Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of interviews with spiritually Awakening people. I’ve done nearly 500 of them now and if this is new to you, and you’d like to check out previous ones, please go to batgap.com and look under the past interviews menu. This program is made possible by the support of appreciative listeners and viewers. So if you appreciate it and feel like supporting it in any amount, there’s a PayPal button on every page of the site. My guest today is Courtney Amundsen well I pronouncing that correctly Ahmanson

Courtney Amundson: Amundson honestly and either one.

Rick Archer: Courtney lives up in Minnesota and her I guess, I don’t know if I would call this a claim to fame. But she started at a very young age to have profound spiritual experiences and breakthroughs. And the word cornea a certain point, it’ll be considered rude to ask you your age, but or people will say you’re for any big deal. So yeah, but at the moment is 22 about to become 23 Happy Birthday later this month. And she when she was nine years old, she started the practice of Qigong. You know, Courtney, I was thinking about how you kind of got off to a great start. Born in a family of very spiritual parents, right?

Courtney Amundson: Well, my mom introduced me to most of what I got into myself, she was into Qigong. And that was about 2005, I want to say when she started practicing that, and I was very interested in it. That was my first introduction to meditation. And after that, I mean, it just changed my life. i That’s when everything started to accelerate for me. Nice and yeah, so it’s pretty cool. And my dad’s very supportive as well.

Rick Archer: Want to ask you about Chi Gong in a minute. But hearing your story reminded me of a few verses in the Bhagavad Gita which I thought you’d like. There’s a section where our Juna asked Lord Krishna, well, you know what happens if a person dies before they get enlightened basically. And Krishna says, having attained the worlds of the righteous and dwelt there for countless years, he or she is born in the house of the pure and illustrious or he is born in an actual family of Yogi’s endowed with wisdom, though such a birth as this on Earth is more difficult to attain. There, he regains that level of union reach by the intellect in his former body. And by virtue of this, he strives yet more for perfection, by that former practice itself he is irresistibly born on. So sometimes when I meet people who, you know, have these profound breakthroughs at a very young age, I, I can’t think, you know, they’re just picking up where they left off.

Courtney Amundson: That’s what it felt to me. It’s funny, because, you know, my parents or my, my older friends will say to me, like, just calm down, like you have so many years ahead of you to get to where you want to be. And, to me, it feels like, a long time that I’ve been working towards these things, and and, you know, when I, when I channeled my first book, teachings from God, it was yeah, it felt exactly like that. Just a continuation. And I came out so fast that, you know, it was, it was not something to question. It was just something to look at and see for what it was. And yeah, I’ve grown a lot from it.

Rick Archer: Yeah. So I have a bunch of friends who are into Qigong really into it. And I don’t know too much about it. But since we’ve mentioned it, we might as well explain a little bit what it is, I mean, all I know is they hit themselves with sticks and break things with their heads and stuff like that, but I’m sure there’s more to it.

Courtney Amundson: Well, I practice spring force Chi Gong. So the founder, Master tunity. Lin, is here in Minnesota, and he basically has taken many different 1000s of forms of Qigong because there is many 1000s of Qigong and he’s really simplified it to make it you know, he says that the simpler, the more powerful, and I really agree with that. I think that, you know, in working with the chi of your own energy and the Chi the universal chi together, is you know, the most power For way to heal our bodies and grow ourselves spiritually deepen. And there’s a lot of forms of Qigong out there that are very complicated, and I think, you know, take hundreds of years, you know, for people to master. And so master when he talks about that there’s only good better and best. And so we use our hands to move the energy in our bodies, there’s very simple techniques that anyone can do. And the principle around It is visualization. And telling your body what you want, so your body responds to messages in energy form back to you. So just going back to when I was a young girl, and I started learning these meditations and these very simple movements, I would imagine butterflies in my tummy when I didn’t feel well. And, you know, I knew that that was something that I could connect with. And, and it worked. I could heal people, there’s another simple exercise called sore fingers, where you imagine like shooting out of your fingertips, and I would, you know, help with my friends who had a, you know, they fell down or hurt their knee or something, and get out there with my sore fingers and start, you know, chopping up the blockage. And in your mind, you’re saying blockages removed, completely healed, completely healed, the energy is back to normal. And do that for two or three minutes, and you will feel a difference. And so it was cool to me, because something so simple, can actually be the definition of magic on Earth. I mean, it’s just, it’s, it’s so applicable to everyday life, you can use it for healing, you can use it for spiritual growth, you can use it to heal others. So I’ve currently been through level four out of level five of master limbs, Qigong training, and it’s just been, yeah, it’s been life changing, and definitely part of what I want to continue. So

Rick Archer: that’s great. When you were like 910 1112, how much time did you spend every day practicing Jr?

Courtney Amundson: Oh, gosh, well, I definitely spent like 30 to 45 minutes in the morning, practicing the active movements, which is really good for focusing on different organs of the body. So yeah, and and also, it doesn’t focus too much on the mind, it focuses on feeling the energy and moving deeper into your emotion. So, you know, when we focus on the liver, you know, we’ll focus on happiness or focus on a certain color. And it’s really great to use for kids too, because they are really already super good at visualization and, and feeling. So yeah, I would practice probably about 45 minutes in the morning a day. And if I got worried, you know, I practiced the butterfly meditation at night. And, you know, that was another 30 minute meditation that just put me in a state of calm. And I was always highly sensitive kids. So I really needed these tips and tricks to get through a day. And so yeah, I consider it to be magical then and magical. Now, I apply it differently now. Because I’ve deepened into the practice. But yeah, I definitely like I recommend it to, to everyone and a lot of my personal clients as well. Because, you know, the, the, the spiritual aspect is one, one part and the body is also another really important part to, to going deeper into our consciousness.

Rick Archer: And I heard you say in various interviews that at that age, you know, early teens, you were meditating a lot, sometimes hours at a time.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, yeah. When I got into channeling so the experience, it was not a huge revelation as such, because I, you know, I had been meditating, I had listened to Abraham Hicks. I loved the abraham hicks 14 CD. I loved that a lot, because, you know, it felt relatable that other younger people were asking the same kinds of questions that I was asking, in my mind, and it just happened one day that I had been listening to that and I sat down to meditate as I normally did. But this time I felt like I levitated off the couch and I I felt this presence come through me and

Rick Archer: you don’t think you really did levitate? Do you think it was a subjective thing?

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, it was, it was it was in my mind. It was in my in my body feeling that I had lightened up and then I felt this, you know, I felt this golden light come through the top of my head. And with that light, it was just just unconditional love and, and it’s something that even to this day, I can’t put in words because it is such an experience and, and I don’t think I’ve gotten back to that really pure feeling as I did that, that day when it first started because, you know, I had been asking for so long for this, you know, type of connection and, and I never wanted to be Esther Hicks. But it, it’s it, I felt it and I knew it and I went down to the computer and I my hands just started to move. And there was that energy, just this sort of really strong energy coming through my hands and typing out the words. And it was just, it was everything that I ever wanted to hear it was affirmations it was, you know, just this pure feeling like everything, up until this point has been absolutely guided, and not just for me, but for every person on earth. And I just knew that this was what I was supposed to do. And then I could help other people do it. And that’s what drove me to be meditating so many hours after that initial contact was because, you know, I knew for myself that if you can, if you can understand your own consciousness, if you can’t understand your own emotions and your own sole purpose, then that’s cracking the code of why we’re, you know, why this whole body is even in existence. And so yeah, I would I would meditate for you know, three or four hours. And, you know, sometimes sometimes, you know, these, these, this oneness, a source of oneness would, you know, take me to other places and experience different times, and, like what elaborate a little bit. So, one of my early experiences, I had a lot of like, past life sort of experiences at first, one of the most one of the most juicy experiences as the best way for me to say it was I traveled to this place, and I was I was in I was in the sky, but I, I could, I could feel myself as this brilliant ball of light. And I was viewing, I was viewing below me that there was there was sand, and there was an ocean and there was, you know, some birds flying by. But what caught me is that I was I was tasting the color of the sky, I was, I was feeling the sound of the the eagle I was, it was it was the most bizarre yet just call me thing that I’d ever imagined. And it was part of me as well. And I wasn’t something I was just this ball of light. But I was feeling and sensing and knowing everything about this location. And, and it showed me that you know, what we talked about when we say love and light. And when he say everything is oneness, you know, it, this was no longer just a word. To me, this was a true understanding. And so I said to myself after that experience that I just want to go deeper, I want to understand myself so that I can share this with other people. And I knew that if I can, if I can, on you know if I can kind of go through the layers of my own consciousness, and, and view them and maybe even, like, try to heal some of the ones that that were painful, or, you know, we have some karma is about it was a lot of work. It was you know, it’s not all beautiful and fun. Some of them were would were difficult for me. But But ultimately, you know, all of this was showing me that, you know, it was it was it was time for me at that point in my life to really just surrender and listen and continue to ask the deeper questions because when you ask is when you receive no, everybody says that about the law of attraction, but it’s it is the universal code. And we can’t we can’t go deeper unless we ask the more the more challenging questions of ourselves. So I believe that’s why I got there. And it always felt like a like a collaborative collaborative effort to get there as well. I remember this presidents you know, saying to me that you know, they They reveled so much in, in tasting the human experience just as much as I reveled in tasting, the more non physical experience. So it was it was a time of transformation for me.

Rick Archer: Were they tasting the human experience through you? Yes. Is that what you’re saying? Yes. Okay. So by channeling them, you were able to serve as a sort of sense organ for those disembodied beings or something.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, and, you know, to me, it was, it was it was sensed as a collective. In the beginning, that wasn’t the case, there was different personalities that were very light, very airy fairy. It made me giggle, like, there would be times when you know, I would, the lessons would just be about, about joy, and experiencing our bodies experiencing the joy of like, going outside and in sensing all the, you know, the bright things around you. And then there would be other other sort of feeling energies that would come through that would be more down to business. And then that all evolved when I realized that I wanted to be service in a bigger way. So that turned when I said to myself, I will do I will write the book, I will do that. And, and that, that transformed into really, when it became a more grander presence, which I then called the oneness. And it started to feel like that too. It felt it felt broad, there was no distinct energies anymore, it was just this big sense of unconditional love. And, and, and awareness and source and that nothing is separated from that.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Yeah, you know, I was running this abstract, philosophical question by before we started. And maybe this would be a good time to take another crack at it. Sure. Just that, you know, like, as a human being, we are a conglomerate of trillions of cells. And each of those cells has its own life. And, you know, you could almost say the cell doesn’t even realize that it’s part of this collective of trillions. And yet it is, and on our level, we, we don’t contemplate their existence very much, but we were alive by virtue of it. So I’m wondering if in a similar way, you know, there are larger conglomerates of which we are apart. And when you mentioned the word collective, it made me think of that, that, you know, this, whoever it is, or whatever it is, it has been communicating with you through you. And we’re going to get much more into the details of that. Yeah, perhaps that is actually, you are actually part of that, just as our liver cells are part of what we are absolutely, yes. Anything to that?

Courtney Amundson: Absolutely, yeah, that’s what my book talks about is that we are multi layered beings. So the whole reason that we can connect with that source energy is because that’s the layer that is us. And it is the most dominant part of us that the non physical, the physical component of us is small, but it is our dominant. Projection of awareness is the best way I can say that. And the reason of that is because we chose it and we chose to, to look through this lens, you know, almost solely, like look through this lens and learn about emotions, learn about contrast, learn about environment. Because it’s fun, honestly, the way that I had experienced, moving from the non physical to the physical and back and forth, and back and forth, was that there’s a joy in, in recognizing something again, you know, if we, if we were just in the wholeness all the time, all knowingness all of the time, you know, it’s, there’s, there’s not as much play in that. And so, it’s, it’s very interesting, because from that non physical point of view, when we choose it, it’s not a question of, you know, what are the pros and cons, we don’t think like that, you know, we just are and we see, we see the outlook and we see that all the paths are golden. That was one of the visions that I really physically had was, you know, I was, I was above and I was viewing my, my birth before I came into this body. And, and I, you know, I saw, you know, I saw these presences around me of light that were showing me to all of these different pathways and they were all golden and they all they were so beautiful. There was hundreds of 1000s of them. And I you know, I went over to one and or floated, or whatever it felt like but I, I went there and, and chose that one and I, I had this distinct sense that anyone that I would have chosen would have been correct. And I think that our consciousness is layered to help us to see that, you know, at these pivotal points of our, our human reality, we have, you know, little chipping away of one of those layers to help us to see through enough to go, oh, there’s something there, there’s something there might not sure. I don’t even know if I want to look at it anymore. But like, there’s something there. And usually, it’ll happen, you know, by some drastic accident or a relationship that fails, or, you know, a death in the family or something like that. If, if you can, you know, if you can get there without that, that’s cool. But a lot of times, you know, it takes a sledgehammer to get us to realize that there’s, there’s, there’s something we don’t have to drive the boat, basically, is one thing, and is that, you know, we’re trying all the time to to be the driver, myself included, I’ve caught myself yesterday, you know, going? Well, I’ve spent a year trying to be the driver, I better get back in touch with. Yeah. So yeah, bring your question around again,

Rick Archer: I’ve got three or four of them in the back of my mind. Yeah. Regarding the driver thing, I think they’re, you know, it’s like, we don’t see sort of snap from A to Z in our spiritual evolution there, there are degrees of unfoldment and maturation and so on. And, you know, regarding the driver point, I think there are degrees of surrender, where, you know, the authorship of action is not relinquished entirely overnight. It’s, it’s sort of shifted by degrees from a sense of kind of a rigid sense of individuality. And I’m doing this to, you know, God is doing it. And I’m just an instrument of that divine intelligence, and I’m not actually doing anything, but you don’t just go from from, you know, one or the other in some abrupt shift.

Courtney Amundson: Us, right. And we’re also co creators in the sense that too, there’s, there’s freewill in this human body. I know, it’s different on different planes of reality, but as a human being, you know, it would also be cutting the story short to say that, that this presence is just doing it for us, because we’re also creating continuous opportunities for ourself to express in the way that we want to in the world. The illusion is that there is some pathway that we all have to follow. There’s some, you know, I know some people that think that fate is, is how we move through life. And, and, you know, it takes the power away from us. Because when we think that there is just one path and that there’s right or wrong, that, you know, if we stumble and we fall for a minute that we have to start all over again, or you know, something is punishing us. It’s to me the case is that we have to be in complete service to the co creative aspect of our divine self with the grander source energy, which by the way, are so closely linked closer than people will realize. I do soul readings for people one on one, I have clients that come to me for a one on one reading and and the biggest aha moment that every single every single person will have with me is that they like this voice within you that is connected to source energy that is all knowing this that is complete love. Never turns off, that never turns off. And this is what you’re talking about with these, these levels of consciousness and that there is, you know, this, this, this sort of all encompassing bubble that that, that shelters all aspects of our reality. And that I think is what you’re talking about as that source energy for as oneness. But as a human being we often you know, our consciousness remains at a lower level until we ask a question, why am I here? What’s the purpose? And also with that comes a surrender to listen, by knowing that this mind knows only through our human lens, it can’t see beyond that. So it’s a lot I have it’s a lot of saying yourself, I don’t know what I don’t know. So she won’t show it to me. And that’s, that’s where you get there. But when you start arguing with God or with spirit, or whatever your word is, then you’re moving further and further away. And I, I’ve been doing it, and I, I’m reminding myself right now, in the past few days, you know, it’s a constant evolvement of that.

Rick Archer: Yeah. It’s, you know, kind of like riding a bicycle, it’s sort of become second nature, but you can always fall off. And you’re not necessarily going to be like one of these stunt riders that can jump off barn roofs and do flips in the air and stuff like that. Right. So it does become kind of second nature. But it’s, it’s something that, you know, let’s just shift that question a little bit. I mean, there are teachers and philosophers who say that we don’t have free will. For instance, I think Sam Harris just wrote a book about that. And there’s a guy Ramesh balsa Carr, who and many others who say, No, we don’t have freewill. It’s all just conditioning and, and karma or something, or genetics. But most people experience that they do seem to have freewill, at least within a certain range. It’s like they can’t just sort of become a billionaire overnight or whatever, but they have a certain amount of wiggle room, they could get a better education and get a better job and do things to sort of move themselves in the direction of greater affluence if we want to use that example. So do you concur with that, that sort of wait, we don’t have like, complete freewill. But we have a degree of it, and we can use that degree wisely or otherwise to steer the course of our life in one direction or another?

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, I mean, I think, as you said, there are multiple influences, you know, you talk you mentioned karma for a second there. Which is definitely an aspect of, to me, it’s just a lens, that is, you know, filtered through our, our lifetime. I’m just talking about this lifetime. But then, you know, if you’re carrying things with you, which, for for negative or positive, you’re always going to be carrying things with you throughout different lifetimes. That’s just how this works. So you have to kind of get used to the fact that, you know, you’re going to come in with some things, and you’re going to be forced to look at them. Whether you whether you store them for 30 years, before you’re ready to look at him, or you want to look at them, right now, you’re going to have to go through that process, that shredding process or evaluation process, because, again, consciousness, by definition wants to realize itself. So even if you are not aware of any of this, it’s still happening. still happening. So I would say yes, free will. Yeah, there’s, there’s many factors at play there. But in the sense that I was mentioning it, I was kind of, I was kind of saying that, you know, to unlock certain layers of our consciousness, we have to be the ones to to make, you know, to open the door, take the initiative, yeah, take the initiative. And furthermore, it needs to be within the consciousness of the earth and within the consciousness of humanity, before it can be fully realized, by any extent. So there’s, there’s another level of oneness there at play. Not not even going to the the oneness of the oneness, but just between our consciousness and the consciousness of our physical planet, that has a signature too. So there’s karma is there as well.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I think you’re kind of alluding to something we were discussing a little while ago that, you know, there are sort of holes within holes within holes who will Yes, that just get larger and larger, larger kind of degrees of collective consciousness, and that were like, in a way we were like cells in a larger body. But just to touch upon the freewill thing a little bit more there. You know, there are a lot of well known sayings. For instance, Jesus says, Seek and ye shall find, that implies taking some initiative, you know, not knocking, the door shall be opened. And there are various gurus that say, you know, take one step toward me, and I’ll take 100 steps toward you, or sometimes that said, with reference to God, that if you, if you take that sort of initiative, then then you’ll you’ll get a response, but you have to sort of take you have to sort of start the ball rolling.

Courtney Amundson: Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. That’s been my experience, totally and completely. And you know, moments where I’ve been in resistance soar, you know, whatever the case may be when you when you think you know everything, that’s the moment where you have to check back in and really get real for yourself because and I think that’s the, you know, the positive part out of my entire life journey experiences, Revelation struggles has been that I have never had the opportunity to feel like I had it all figured out, I’ve always been a little bit ahead of the game, you know, to know that there’s, there’s, there’s a lot that I need to work on what’s

Rick Archer: good about teenage syndrome in a way of thinking they know everything, the adults don’t know anything. And then you become an adult and you realize, oh, yeah,

Courtney Amundson: all right. I mean, just within, you know, the layers of our own consciousness, you know, just to feel that, you know, something might be blocking you from getting to the next level. In whatever thing you’re trying to start off at the moment. It could be be easy to get in your ego about it, and try to figure it out and try to struggle your way through something or you can just surrender and, and ask the Divine to show you. And, for me, personally, you know, I’ve had so many different awakening points in which I’m forced to go deeper into that, you know, because I don’t want to live alone, I’ve already seen what it looks like to live in, you know, to live in a state where you’re connected. Once you get a taste of that you don’t you don’t want to go back.

Rick Archer: Yeah, boy, there’s so many things I want to follow up on with, follow up on with you. Well, first of all, I just want to throw in, just so people know a little bit more about you, that you are training to be a classical violinist and hoping you go to Juilliard and things like that. And then, you know, when you got bitten by the spiritual bug really badly, you thought, Alright, so I’m gonna move on and not do that. Yeah, but you still keep up with the violin, you play it now. And then

Courtney Amundson: I play it, I play it often, in the sense of, you know, with kirtan character is a call and response style of sacred yoga, chanting. But I don’t play classical anymore. And, you know, that was that was my earliest memory of, of feeling something huge and amazing. And, you know, that was before everything else. I started playing the violin when I was nine. And I went to a Waldorf school or to the Minnesota Waller school, so everybody starts a stringed instrument in the third grade. So, so I chose the violin. And it was just, you know, I was shut down in a lot of ways at that age. And music was the only thing that made me feel really tuned in, you know, aligned to like this. And, and I felt that and, you know, I was, I was very, very shy. Like I said, I was very sensitive. As a young girl, and, you know, I, I could not get up on stage, or talk in front of people. But when I was with my violin, I could do any of that. And very quickly, you know, I joined the Minnesota us symphonies when I was 11. And, you know, playing at at Minneapolis is orchestra Hall. Know that, that seats, a couple of 1000 people that never bothered me. Never. So it really shows what a

Rick Archer: soloist, right.

Courtney Amundson: I well, I have done this many times. Yeah, yeah, I competed. And I was in a quartet. And that was my thing for a large part of my life until until the end of high school. But yeah, I, you know, my life did change drastically, because at the end of high school, that is when I started to experience these things. And I felt so different. I felt so weird and alien, but also so affirmed. And so it was a it was a pivotal point for me to really choose, choose my path and to do it fearlessly. Yeah, because nothing looking at me, in that moment of crossroads, told me it was logical to go and channel this book and like, put it out. You know, I was, I was in a lot of ways. You know, seeing situations where adults, you know, got the got the the upper hand and that kids were the ones that needed to learn. So I never felt like, you know, whatever I had to share was was wise or anything. I just knew the impact it had on myself. So it did it did in a way care To me off guard the the ripple effects that it had coming out. Yeah.

Rick Archer: You know, Albert Einstein was an amateur violinist and he always liked to play it for recreation. So give it up. You may, you may solve the unified field theory.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah. Yeah, it was, you know, and music still is a huge part of my life. I just, I’m always weaving through different things. I now, you know, I play the harmonium, which is an Indian instrument and ukulele and, and, and jambay. So, drums. So, yeah, music is is is also very important to me.

Rick Archer: I also want to ask you like, when you first started channeling, I think you said you had your eyes closed, you just said your fingers on the keys and stuff was being typed. And you didn’t even know what and you know, afterwards you read it and thought, Wow, where did all that come from? I was just curious. Were you a touch typist already? I mean, could you type without looking at your fingers anyway? No, really?

Courtney Amundson: No way. No way. No way ever all of this was so foreign to me when it started happening.

Rick Archer: I didn’t know what keys you were hitting you were sitting there with your eyes closed, even fingers hitting keys, but you’re not a touch typist.

Courtney Amundson: I followed. So the energy would go through different fingers. So that’s where I would try to push. Yeah, it was really like that. It really was. And, and I remember, you know, in the beginning, it was very slow. It was very precise. And it was in a different language. I don’t know if I’ve said this on an interview before, but I assumed it was in English. It was not for the first couple pages. And so the next time I not something I know, we got it not a not a not a not a human language, for sure. But I knew what it meant, right? I knew what it meant. And that’s when in my next meditation, I was like, Yo guys from the astral world. I need, I need some English. Throw me a bone. And, and, you know, they did you know they did and, and that’s when it started to come out, you know, a lot more brilliantly. And, and what surprised me, I’ll give you a few different things that surprised me. The first thing was yes, that I could have my eyes closed. And they would type furiously. I mean, so so quickly. I don’t even know what my words per minute were, but it was, it was really fast. And, and so this energy stream out my fingertips. Secondly, there was just there was this just amazing vocabulary that I had never used. And I was into writing before, you know, I loved English class. So I had some vocabulary, obviously, but but just the the metaphors and the way of relating words together just like really amazed me. And I remember moments where things would come out maybe like a little word in French or something. And I would have to like Google it and like, look it up and see what that was because I I didn’t know. But yeah, there’s there’s so many things like that, that really stick with me to this day. metaphors that I use, just within my own mind every day. Because they’re helpful, and they’re, they’re easy. That’s why I really enjoy about teachings from God is that, you know, there’s a lot of really esoteric books out there, and I’ve been wanting to read them. But I think what we really need as human beings, a lot of us is just everyday assistance, to understand of course, those things in a way that we can relate. But really, how do we how do we love ourselves? How do we, you know, how do we enjoy our lives and treat other people the way we want to be treated and, and, and just go deeper within, within our own selves and love yourself more. So that’s, that’s kind of the purpose of it all and, and it feels it feels like my life purpose and also an honor to do it. Because, you know, I don’t I don’t feel like the author. I feel like the co author, you know, when people say, Oh, you wrote this essay. Well, I co wrote it.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I mean, just in case people didn’t miss this and didn’t catch this. You weren’t a touch typist. You couldn’t type without looking at your fingers. I’m a touch typist. So I don’t I even type in Dvorak. So it wouldn’t help me to look at my fingers because all the keys are different than what you see on them. But but you know, you weren’t and, and yet you were sitting there with your eyes closed, I guess. And you were just sort of pushing keys without even knowing what the heck you’re writing. And then you it all sort of came up coherent and actually We’ve been something so if anybody’s thinking that you just gotta dream this stuff up, and the whole channeling thing is just vivid imagination on your part that kind of shoots that idea.

Courtney Amundson: I mean, I told you I didn’t, I didn’t want to be Esther Hicks. I thought the information was good. And I wanted to take in that wisdom, but no part of me was expecting this to be my life. I, when my when I experienced that there’s, there’s no way you wouldn’t want it. You know, it became less of an ultra spiritual thing and more of a oh, this is how life is supposed to be. Yeah, you know, that’s why I really try to I try to not fit into a category, I try to relate all of these things in the most human way. So that if I’m talking to somebody that’s Jewish, or I’m talking to somebody that’s Buddhist, and, you know, the word channeling is weird to a lot of people, I, I like to just say, Hey, this is a way for you to love yourself, if you can, if you can sit down and you can just let your mind open. And ask, whatever your God is to help you. It’s gonna work.

Rick Archer: That’s one thing I really liked. When I was listening to your interviews with other people, you’re down to earth SNESs. And sort of, you know, humility and humanity. There was the one interviewer was saying things like, Oh, aren’t we I’m exaggerating here. She wasn’t really this blatant. But she was saying, aren’t we wonderful as light workers and light warriors? And how are we going to in? How are we going to wake up all these ignorant people and stuff? And you were your response was something like, you know, we’re all just human beings, and we shouldn’t kind of put ourselves up on pedestals or put on airs or anything. So and so it seems like you’ve been integrating real well as you as you’ve gone along. And, you know, not making yourself seem otherworldly or extraordinary.

Courtney Amundson: I’m not, I’m not at all I’ve had those experiences and those are otherworldly. I’m not going to sugarcoat that they are and I, at that moment, you know, that that year and a half that I was channeling this book, I can admit, you know, I was not here I was I was somewhere else and my family can, can attest to that. That

Rick Archer: was like, sitting at the dinner table. You were kind of checked out.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, I was. I was places, I was always places. And I had this extreme piece about me that just couldn’t be somebody could be mad at me. And I just be like, Okay, I mean, it just

Rick Archer: worried about you.

Courtney Amundson: No, no, no, they something was happening. Yeah, they knew it. They, they took me to a Qigong master. And the he validated that, you know, this is really powerful. And, but they already knew, I mean, they sat in on the channelings, as well, both of my parents did. My sister and moments too. One thing

Rick Archer: people might wonder about, since we’ve all been through our teenage years, and it was kind of difficult for most of us, is, you know, as you’re going through these experiences, which are kind of unusual. You know, how, what was your social life? Like? I mean, were you alone? Or did people think you were a weirdo? Are you able to have normal friendships and engage in normal activities? Or did you just kind of go it alone?

Courtney Amundson: I wasn’t a loner, but I definitely did not make it known what I was doing because I felt insecure about it. Even though I knew it was true. There was no part of me that was that was mistrust mistrusting of what was happening. I just didn’t feel that that other people would understand, you know, other other teenagers. First of all, I was doing online school. So my social life was basically my music people. So I went to orchestra rehearsals on Saturdays and I had quartet rehearsals on Saturday. So I, my, you know, my Saturdays were packed with my music friends, and they were my friends. But yeah, there was definitely this feeling like I’m just experiencing the world in a different way. And I go home and I listen to David from all like, other people go home and they, you know, they watched the game, you know, like, I just, I couldn’t I remember saying once to one of my friends were at music camp and I I kind of started to get a little bit like whom let me like, test the waters and people were having a stressful time and I put on date with for most healing mantras. Yeah, I didn’t like that response. They were like, What is this? I want to listen to this. So no, I wasn’t. I just didn’t talk about it. I just didn’t talk about it. And I did tell one of my friends about it. When I was about 17, and and she she didn’t warm up to it at all. First, but last year, last spring, she contacted me. And you know, we talked but, but I didn’t expect that she was going to ask me for a reading. And I said, well look at their, you know, took us six years, but you came around and now you now you want to hear what it’s all about. And it really, it really helped her. So I think to like, you know, once people grow up, there’s, there’s an easier time, you know, having your own opinions about things instead of, like, blob of, you know, whatever your friends do with what you think is cool.

Rick Archer: Well, when people are younger, they’re very susceptible to peer pressure. I remember when I started to meditate, and most of my friends are into drugs. And I basically just dropped them all and started walking around the beach with my dog every day just to sort of reset my nervous system and my whole social orientation away from those types of people. There’s an ancient Bengali saying, which is, if no one comes on your call, then go ahead alone. And I think it’s very good. And in fact that that time I turned sisters on the meditation, one of them was 13, or 14, the other was a couple years older, and they, the 13 year old stuck with it. She’s a full time education teacher to this day. That’s over 50 years. And the other one said, I don’t want to be different from my friends, I’m not going to do this. But recently, when she visited she, you know, after 50 years, she said, You know, I think I should start meditating again. So, you know, I’m just

Courtney Amundson: lonely. The bigger, you know, now, this is where you know, the power of your guidance system shows you what’s what’s really most important. And that was showing me that if I walk this way, I’m going to be successful. Yes, I take some time. But you You will find, you know, this, this, this connection to people. And I do feel like I have a lot of friends now. Yeah. Sometimes all over the world, you know. But I feel I feel connected. I know people have my back now. And, you know, any moment that I start to feel like lonely, I have to kind of get over myself, because I know that that’s not not true.

Rick Archer: Yeah. You have friends on many levels?

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, that’s true. That’s true. Also, yeah. As we all do. Yeah.

Rick Archer: We’ll talk more about that, too. I just want to say to people listening live that there if you feel like asking a question, if you go to the upcoming interviews page on batgap.com, then look at the bottom of it. There’s a forum through which you can submit a question. And we’ll ask it during this interview. One came in from Dan in London, and it’s about our discussion of freewill. So we Mazal loop back to that and ask Jeff’s question. You said, my feeling is that in an absolute sense, we have freewill completely. Absolutely. Paradoxically, there is absolutely no free will. Both of these things being true at the same time is a paradox which the logical human mind can’t comprehend. It can only be explored experientially, but perhaps not described in a succinct way except as a paradox. Do you have any thoughts on this?

Courtney Amundson: That’s a loaded question. I’m trying to understand it.

Rick Archer: Let me throw something else out. Yeah, well, okay. Because it makes it easier for you. So, you know, I was saying to you, before we started recording that, in my experience, I have the sense that I can sort of look at or feel into any of these flavors at anytime, but I’m everywhere. I’m nowhere. And I’m right here. And, you know, in terms of the nowhere aspect to the I’m not doing anything, it’s all just nothing, nothing’s even happening. Maybe it’s the same with everywhere, aspect and less, although in that sense, it’s more like, I’m doing everything. But then the right here aspect is hey, I’m Rick, I’m doing stuff, you know, I’m making an effort. I’m trying to be a better football player, interviewer or whatever. And so we all like as you said, We’re multi dimensional and and so we can at the same time have freewill and not have it and kind of harmonize that paradox within our awareness. I

Courtney Amundson: see what you’re saying. So I’m so between different, different levels of consciousness. And the aspect of freewill,

Rick Archer: ya know, we could say this, let me just interrupt one more time than I’ll shut up. My former teacher, marshy, Mahesh Yogi used to always say knowledge is different at different levels of consciousness. And he would also say reality is different at different levels of consciousness. He wouldn’t any he would emphasize that one level doesn’t invalidate the other level. They just are different. I mean, we see the same thing in physics, I mean, the molecular level, the atomic level, and chemical all these different levels are very different and they don’t really give a hint of what the other levels might be like, but they all sort of Part of one hole.

Courtney Amundson: Okay, now let’s the same, just the same that if you were, if you were in a channeling state right now asking that question, I can guarantee you that the question would go away before you even had a chance to ask the question because, again, it has to do with those layers of consciousness. And when we, when we shift our vibration is when we can, we can better understand those more multi dimensional qualities. Because when we’re here, when we’re operating from here, we can only receive from here

Rick Archer: and you’re pointing to your head for the sake of those who are just listening in audio where we’re just in our heads thinking

Courtney Amundson: in our heads, right? When we’re just in our heads, we can we can only receive to that degree. Yeah. So to me, my work has been in understanding the more esoteric, you know, multi dimensional, kind of qualities of reality. You have to, you have to go into that state to some degree. And that’s the biggest challenge of of humaneness really is that, you know, we we both we, we yearn for the information, but we also, you know, forget that. This isn’t, our brains are not the only thing working for us. We have within our body we have, we have, you know, we have this Akashic records, as you call them, which is basically like a cosmic library. It stores all the information of all time and it stores our own personal history. So, I believe that, you know, talking about freewill talking about being able to jump between those realities. We have freewill in this human body to do that. The depth at which we can go is determined by how much we’re willing to let go of what we think we already know.

Rick Archer: Yeah, and able to, I would also enable to be able to know exactly, because, yeah, just

Courtney Amundson: you can’t get everything there is a there is an endpoint because we are still human beings. And, and again, like I said earlier, that there’s only so much within the consciousness of humanity as a whole and within our planet that can allow us to know certain things, some things just don’t work with this. I don’t want to say paradigm because that’s not the right word. But this structure, yeah. So, you know, it’s it, I would say to to Dan, asking this question, you know, I would I would challenge you to maybe you go within your own meditation and ask this question and see what you can come up with yourself, because nothing will validate that question as much as you feeling the answer. Somebody can give you a, a logical explanation, and I think everyone will give you a different answer, honestly, but But I think, yeah, I think it’s, it’s a feeling thing, and you might even come across a deepening within your own self that you didn’t know, is there. Yeah.

Rick Archer: That’s pretty deep guy. No doubt. Yeah. Well, I want to touch upon the word able, again, like, you know, when you play your violin, or used to play it, if it’s badly out of tune, there’s no way you’re going to be able to play all day or something like that. Make it sound like anything anybody would want to listen to. So you have you have to tune up the violin. Yeah, before you can play. So like that. I think that, you know, well, I think you see where I’m going with this, that if we think of ourselves as an instrument is this instrument that enables us to, you know, to experience spiritual dimensions and advanced spiritually and so on and so forth. The tuning up process is very important.

Courtney Amundson: Totally, that’s why it’s you gong for me, that’s why I practice Qigong. And, you know, I eat vegan and I don’t want to, you know, I think that anybody can have the lifestyle that they want to have and they can they can go as far as they want to go, but there are points to, to see that you know, you can deepen further if you do certain things like work on your energy system. And yeah, I do, I do, like to think of the body as, as a temple and also as like a doorway at the same time to something greater. My deepest experiences have been, after practicing a lot of Qigong, you know, being at a retreat and practicing a lot and to physically see, like, my mind turn off and just this presence that exists, that’s just there. And I mean, and it kind of shows you shows me showed me in that experience many experiences that, you know, the mind never shuts off. It’s just, it’s just our ability to, to put it in the back seat enough for us to see what we need to see, you know, or be validated for, for something.

Rick Archer: Speaking of the mind never shuts off. You know, there’s that second verse of the Yoga Sutras says Yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations of the mind. Have you ever gone into states where the mind does shut off where it’s like a Samadhi state, and it’s just pure awareness without any mental activity?

Courtney Amundson: That experience that I shared with you of? Yeah, that was a moment of that. And that caught me off guard. Because, you know, it’s moments like that, where you start to think, am I here anymore? Like, am I in a body anymore? Or did I just check out? Because there’s no way to know, there’s really no way to know. And, you know, I was channeling at the same time I was typing at the same time as having this experience. So what came out on the paper was kind of just like, cliffnotes. My experience is just my experience. I can’t put that into words. But But yeah, that’s kind of where I’m going with that. That if you can fine tune your physical being. Every day, what do you know different things? And I think everybody has a different practice. So I won’t say do this or do that. But I will say that unlocking the physical body is a doorway to unlocking this spiritual knowledge in a deeper way. Yeah. And I’ve definitely felt, I’ve definitely felt that. That absence of the mind and of the dialogue, and it’s weird, it’s really weird.

Rick Archer: I think it was Christ who said the body is the temple of the soul. And certainly Yogi’s understand that, which is why they go through all this physical purification and stuff. And pretty much every tradition has that kind of thing, I think. Yeah. I wanted to loop back to something you said a little while ago, he said, when when you had that initial experience, when you were 16, and the energy was coming through your fingers, and you said, you’ve never really felt that degree of purity before since then, I think, I think use the word purity. And I just wanted to comment, you know, that when we have a new experience, very often, it’s quite, it’s contrasting, but then it integrates, and we may still be having it and not even realize we are, you know, or it’s like, you know, if you’re in a dark room, and you light a candle or something, well, you know, light, and you’re never going to experience that contrast again. But yeah, now the light is on and the light can keep getting brighter and brighter, but you’ll never have as much contrast as you initially had.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, that’s where I wanted to go with that. Because I think, you know, it’s funny, because, obviously, I channeled the books, so I was part of, you know, some of the, some of the writing of it. And as, as I would receive it, it would be integrated in a way that I can’t express it was deeper than the words it was like, you know, I can go back to a paragraph in the book and be realized, have this, you know, deeper experience. And, and now, looking back, though, I’ve noticed a huge contrast, in my experience of reading these words, and how it feels more like just my everyday existence, that I’m thinking about the nature of reality, versus sitting down. And, you know, being a guest at what I’m seeing, you know, there’s not that level of oh my gosh, anymore. It’s just sort of like, yeah, that’s what I do. And even when I’m, you know, doing readings with people, you it’s, it’s not the, you know, drastic in and out experience of being human and then being in this oneness, it just feels like my body is fine tuned enough to know exactly how to do that. And I can still have my personality here. Like, I’m not checking out in any sense. I’m just allowing the grander part to be funneled in and that feels both. It was uncomfortable at first to notice that because I thought, Oh, I’ve lost it. I’ve lost that. But now I just realized no, it’s, it’s just, you’ve acclimated to it, I’ve acclimated to it, and and I, I also have more human experiences these days that helped me To relate, you know, I can I can go deep, I can go spiritual or I can go mundane humaneness. I can have both tracks and relate them. And that’s I like that even though it’s a challenge.

Rick Archer: I think that’s the name of the game. I mean, yeah, Enlightenment, if we want to use that word is not a flashy experience, it’s it’s the sort of integration and stabilization of the ability to encompass the full range of reality within our awareness. Well functioning normally.

Courtney Amundson: Right. Right. Yeah, it’s a lot. It’s a lot. And, you know, being that I was quite young, when I, when this all started, you know, it’s, it gave me sort of a name for that. And I have to almost remind people that, you know, this is going to be a constant evolution for me, right, that that was no endpoint. That was a beginning point. And that was a first initiation. And there’s been many sense, you know, periods of feeling disconnect. I know, of course, you never disconnected. But, but there, but that does happen. And that’s, you know, I was watching I don’t know if you’ve seen the film Finding Joe. But it’s, it’s on Gaia, and it talks about the the gaia.com talks about the hero’s journey, and basically that in essence that

Rick Archer: we just about Joseph Campbell.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, yeah,

Rick Archer: I’ve interviewed Jean Houston too long ago. And she, she worked on that whole thing with him.

Courtney Amundson: But, but I needed to be reminded of that cycle, because, you know, and I wanted to kind of touch upon this, because it’s, it’s been some years now since the book came out. And since I started this, and I’ve shifted a lot and you know, that going to that deep level, right then and there, you know, that can’t be the endpoint, you can’t be in bliss, and peace 24/7 You have to have the contrast in order to, to go deeper next time, you know, to move deeper into the, into the reality of human consciousness as well.

Rick Archer: But would you say that you kind of can be in bliss and peace 24/7 In the midst of Walmart or riding roller coaster or getting in a car accident or, you know, can actually get stabilized? To the extent that I can tense things don’t disrupt it?

Courtney Amundson: You definitely can. I’m not there yet. I won’t pretend

Rick Archer: to you are to a great extent. But there’s always more but eventually in that,

Courtney Amundson: in that state, I definitely am. In my in my humaneness, I’m learning a lot right now. Put it that way. And yeah, no, I, you know, I don’t want to pretend any which way because people do make that assumption about me and about a lot of other well known spiritual teachers that, you know, they just, they just blurt out these wise words 24/7. And it’s not, that way you have to live you have to be, you have to be immersed in in the humaneness, you have to be immersed in the, you know, the non physicalness, you have to be immersed in the physicalness of your foot and your like your body. And like learn that it’s, it’s so much and then to relate that to life around you is just a whole nother whole nother subject. So it’s, you know, I’m sure I’m sure the next book that I write is going to be my own story, I feel.

Rick Archer: Well, we’ll talk about that in a minute, too. I just want to say the impression of that has been forming more and more, as I’ve been talking to you over the last hour is that? Well, you know, this is what education should do for everybody. You know, all young people should have this kind of opportunity from a young age to do whatever spiritual practice whatever, to have an environment in which that’s supported parents, which support it, and schools, which do and so on and so forth. And what a different society and world we could have if that were the case.

Courtney Amundson: No kidding. I mean, it really taught me that, you know, my aggravation in school was not it wasn’t that I didn’t know how to learn it was that I was wanting to learn things that were applicable. You know, I didn’t want to, I didn’t want to study facts that had already happened. I wanted to study myself and study my relationship to people and and just the fact that that wasn’t happening, and there was no awareness of it, and they drove me crazy. That’s, that’s what got me out of the system by eighth grade, because I was just like, I can’t, I can’t do this anymore. And what was weird to me is that other kids around me, didn’t seem bothered by it at all. So Yeah, I felt like an oddball. But it ultimately, you know, I don’t want to say like, just try to shut it all down. I think I think that contrast is what gave me like the spiciness to like, broaden my horizons and make it happen for myself because I had so many unanswered questions. Yeah,

Rick Archer: that’s great. We’ll need more oddballs like you. Here’s a couple questions that came in. This is Jay from Victoria. Maybe the British Columbia? I’m not sure could be there’s a place in Australia called Victoria to how can you tell if a channeled book is authentic? A Course in Miracles seems inspired. But other channel books seem questionable? What would you recommend as a way to weed out the fake channel books?

Courtney Amundson: I love that question. I’ve dealt with it a lot myself. In my own explorations, like I said, I listen to Abraham Hicks a lot. But I also picked up a lot of other works. And the way to best discern to me is how does it feel in your body, don’t think don’t use your head, but pick up the book and, you know, feel how it feels. If you’re questioning something already, I would say it’s not in alignment with you. I’m very much a feeler in my body. So when I pick up something that feels good to me, I’ll get like, I’ll get like a jolt or you know, I’ll get really, like really excited or, you know, I’ll feel like my heart open. If that’s not your primary language, your body then I would say, just ask yourself, put yourself through a little series of tests and make sure that none of them include thinking about the information because that’s a sure way to get confused really, really fast. For me, if I pick up a book, a channeled book, that’s very information dense it you know, and I’m not saying that one is good or bad or right or wrong, I’m just saying, for me, I, I think the nature of reality is best understood. When it’s simple, uses metaphors, we can understand that, you know, it feels really loving, it feels really light filled, and you don’t feel overwhelmed. The first like sight of it. You know, that was my interpretation of the Ceph books, when I first picked them up, yeah, no judgment, some people love them. That was the first channeled book I ever read. I didn’t make it through the whole thing, because I was blown away by information. But again, you know, all these things kind of showed me what my language was, My language is, you know, I want to feel something, I want to feel this connection within myself. I was not, I was not inspired by just you know, I didn’t want to entertain my brain, I wanted to entertain my heart. So that was my, that was my goal. But if you’re somebody, if you’re a science person that really wants to understand, you know, the nature of reality, just from a mind perspective, and like, you know, get that satisfied, I would say, like, try that, go for it. But ultimately, if something rings true for you, you, you should feel it in your body. And, you know, it’s it’s like that when you you meet a friend on the street, you know, you have, sometimes you have this feeling like, Oh, I’m going to be good friends with this person. Or maybe I don’t really want to talk to them. Again, you can’t explain that. It’s just a feeling you learn with channeling or just any, whatever you’re relating in life to follow your first impulse about something. And know that that is correct. It’s not, it’s not different, you know, for somebody else, they might really enjoy something you don’t like. So I don’t think there’s a right or wrong. There’s things that I don’t feel in alignment with that people have asked me to read. And, you know, I just say Go Go for it. If you enjoy that, go for it. Yeah.

Rick Archer: Different strokes for different folks. Yeah. There’s a question that came in from Michelle. And from Keene, I moved. That’s probably Keene New Hampshire. Coordinate just mentioned being willing to let go of what we think we know in order to open to higher levels of reality slash consciousness. This discussion reminds me of the multi dimensional experiences and insights of teacher Kristin Kirk, who’s a friend of mine who has been on that gap. Christian refers to how, in order to open to deeper and vaster dimensions of consciousness, the eye or sense of self must surrender to the unknown and let go of knowing we currently agree or disagree about surrender as being to have to lean over to see see this as being comparable, comparable to what she has experienced? Or is describing in order to open to higher? Or deeper levels of consciousness reality? Does that make sense to you?

Courtney Amundson: I think so I’m gonna repeat it back to make sure that I got it right. But I think what you’re saying is that in order to get to deeper levels of consciousness that you have to, you have to kind of come to this agreement within yourself that there’s only so far you can take yourself before you have to surrender and let this this unknown, bigger, grander source show you Yeah, I would agree with that. 100%, that my own personal journey has been a lot about that. And that, I realized that I can’t do it alone, I don’t want to do it alone is a great metaphor. In my book that talks about life is like a puppet show. And we, so imagine the hand of God is being the puppeteer. And the puppeteer is, you know, moving, moving our little arms and legs out on the stage. And there’s, there’s a curtain in between the two. And, and we don’t, until we ask, we don’t know that there’s a hand above us until we ask till we move the curtain ourselves. And it takes a level of surrender that, you know, I, I can’t physically do this. By myself, you know, you realize that life, life feels like it’s controlling you unless, unless you, unless you, unless you surrender just a little bit, it can you don’t have to go crazy, like the first, first time you meditate or whatever, like, it’s going to be a little question, then it’s going to be a bigger question, a bigger question. And I would say, in my own life, that, you know, I’ve gone through so many transformations, and being in periods of disconnect, after feeling periods of great connection can be difficult, because, you know, you’re, you shift, so you have to learn a new way to surrender, you know, you have to you have to continue. Like the whole, like you said, about somebody, you know, that’s about being comfortable with dying many, many times being comfortable with that process of, of, you know, transformation is, is always transformation is always so yeah, I would say yes, surrender, and then deeper surrender, and then deeper surrender, deeper surrender, and, you know, even through those moments of like, being really confused, and maybe even angry, or whatever, that you, you continue to remember that you are connected to the wholeness through your own transport of divinity. And that that won’t cease, even if you feel like you’ve lost your way you never do. But yeah, it’s a challenge to it’s a challenge to continue to go deeper when you, you know, feel like you already reached such a level. You

Rick Archer: know, I mean, I think there’s a natural tendency to seek more and more in life, more, more happiness more whoever. And, you know, once you’ve had a taste of it beer commercial, you’ll want to come back, you’ll want to come back again, once you’ve had a taste of it, right, gold is extra dry. But in any case, you know, it’s like you’ve glimpse something that is sweeter and more sublime than life has so far offered you and you think, you know, it’s natural to have a visceral desire for more of that. And you’re just kind of continue to move in that direction. And it’s like the Pavlovian thing where you get rewarded when you do and, you know, so you it’s a there’s a reinforcing positive feedback loop and

Courtney Amundson: yeah, you and you will get feedback you will get feedback when you do surrender, because it’s just like what you said and some some form of words. You said that, like, if you stay if you take one step towards God, God will take 1000 steps back towards you. Something along those lines. Yeah, I you know, I’ve caught myself in moments where like, I’m just pushing up against a wall of myself and, and I don’t let just a little bit in and the moment that I take one step and I I did this yesterday, I’ll give you an example. I deactivated all my social media yesterday,

Rick Archer: really just temporarily put them on hiatus, put it on

Courtney Amundson: hiatus, but I, you know, I’ve been known to be the social media girl who’s on there and posting all the time. And that was by two days ago. So I’m on 48 hours of nothing, right. And

Rick Archer: now you’re doing an interview and 200 people are watching you, like 1000s More are going to say,

Courtney Amundson: but, but I guess the point to me is that, you know, it absolutely does work when you take a step. And even when that step feels like, a lot, it takes sometimes it takes all your energy to do that, though. Yeah, it shifts something enough that, you know, your heart can be more open. Yeah, you have to do that. I mean, you do have to see, you know, when there’s those moments of resistance, what’s gonna give. And even it’s, you know, it may seem small to deactivate your social media. But for me, it was like, Oh, that was a, that was a big one for me. And it did it did turn things around immediately, and will continue to.

Rick Archer: Yeah, there’s all kinds of cool quotes and cultural things about this point, there was a German philosopher Gupta, who said something about if you just sort of take a step, basically, as you’re saying, then all sorts of unforeseen supports and opportunities and whatnot come in, that you wouldn’t have thought it wouldn’t even known existed. And, you know, I’m thinking of the Lord of the Rings, where, you know, Frodo just heads out and starts doing this thing. And there’s this impossible task and yet, you know, all kinds of things come to his aid, because he’s made that determination. Right, and also, because he had a certain degree of innocence and simplicity, which is, I think, apropos to what we’re saying here.

Courtney Amundson: Yes, yes. Yeah. I think you know, when, when you have when you have an energy about service, as well, and I’m pretty confident that all of you that are watching, you know, have this have this sense about you as well that you wouldn’t be watching otherwise. But, you know, when when your purpose is grander than just your own self? Yes. Just your own survival. Yeah, there is there is an energy again, that supports you even deeper and, and I think acts of service really do support you and that that gathers in your bank, and when you need it, it’s there for you. And, you know, one of one of the ways that I do this on a yearly basis for my birthday, super out at my birthday is I know we’re doing a break. Yeah, January 24. Yep, I write love letters, I write 50 Love letters, and I dispersed them around town, and I, I’m anonymous, but people

Rick Archer: find them, like put them on lampposts or something.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, I just hide them around in various places, Co Op, and bookshops. And, and, you know, it feels good, you know, to feel like you’re connected to, to a bigger world and bigger universe, and that they can be found and you know, put on this website, you know, and it’s like, it’s, you know, it’s a good, it’s a good thing to remind yourself that these acts of service, you know, do help you when you don’t do them for the to get something back, but you do them because you realize the circle,

Rick Archer: yeah. It’s more blessed to give than to receive. And we’ve kind of covered this, but maybe we’ll just ask, I’ll just ask this question. We can wrap up this point and move on to others. And you can give us sort of a final comment on this. Alejandro from Ravina. Italy asks, Does awakening never end? Or is there a continuous deepening? I think he meant to say Does it ever end? Or is there a continuous deepening

Courtney Amundson: continuous deepening? Yeah. 1% you know, when I was younger, I may have gotten in a moment of thinking that I was pretty enlightened. may have thought I may have thought for a second that you know, I had reached some, you know, big point and, and I did that that’s true. I was, you know, experiencing a lot of crazy things at the time. And now as I’ve shared a little bit, you know, My life now is much more mundane, but, but infused with all of this, all of these things that have happened to me. And for me, I should add, but no, it’s a constant awakening process. And that’s something that I’ve had to learn to roll with. And it’s it’s it’s so hard to be graceful with it. But it helps to know that that is a cycle. The Hero’s Journey is you know, forget all The points but you guys watching watch Finding Joe on gaia.com. But it talks about, you know, the cycle of initiation. And, well, I guess it starts with something like you’re, you know, you’re embarking, and then there’s initiation, and then, you know, the endpoint is like conquering the dragon in front of you. And I think that, that the dragon can be multiple dragons in one lifetime, I think that you can, you know, you can conquer one dragon and, and be freed from that aspect. And then there’s another cycle, another thing to present itself to you. So I, you know, I’m not yet comfortable with that, but that’s my journey of getting to it. And that’s the journey of life, in essence, is that we learn that it’s, it’s never ending like that. And there, you’re gonna have moments of pain and suffering, you’re gonna have moments of bliss and freedom and joy. And eventually, you know, I would hope to see that that gap lessons that you continue to have those cycles, but it’s not so much like you completely burn, you know, and that you, you know, completely lose yourself. I think that that gap lessons, you look at the the Qigong masters, the Tai Chi masters, you know, these highly awakened people, they’re still experiencing life, right? They’re still in human bodies, but they’re there, they’re, you know, they have this baseline of, of well being, that can’t be conquered, because it’s been, it’s been primed for many, many years. And they’ve learned so much and gathered so much that they have that foundation, but they still understand suffering, they still understand pain, they still understand, you know, human emotions, and it won’t stop occurring. That’s something to understand is that we’re not trying to escape our humaneness. We’re trying to reel it in, we’re trying to refine it.

Rick Archer: Yeah, I mean, there’s so many examples of that. I mean, Ramana, Maharshi, had died of cancer. And it was very painful. And all kinds of people were doing all kinds of experiments on him trying to cure it. And he was just sort of like, whatever, do whatever you want. It’s not it doesn’t touch me. I’m beyond all this. Yeah. And oh, you must be in so much pain. And on some level, there was pain, but his inner reality of oneness was so predominant, that it was kind of almost tangential to his experience from the things he was saying.

Courtney Amundson: Right? Yeah, yeah, I definitely can understand that, you know, at that level that you wouldn’t, why would you want to stay attached? I mean, you know, what it feels like to be in that state of oneness and freedom. Why would you hold on to your body at that point, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s moments like, Anita Moorjani story, dying to be me. Where, you know, it was her calling to come back into her body. And that was, that was her journey. That was what she chose. But I

Rick Archer: She’s been on BatGap If anybody wants to check out she tell you the story there.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, she’s amazing. But yeah, I think I think the cycle is forever.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Okay, here’s a question from Crystal in Louisiana. She asks, What is your view on Christ consciousness? Do you see this energy becoming more and more influential? Do you think Christ consciousness is oneness? Or is it just an aspect of the oneness?

Courtney Amundson: So I’m gonna go to a metaphor of my book again to describe this because a lot of people ask these kinds of questions to me and, and there’s a metaphor in the book about a pot of soup. So imagine oneness as a pot of soup. And when you’re making a pot of soup, right, we have many different herbs, many different vegetables that we put in it, we don’t just use one ingredient, we use many things, a little bit of salt, a little bit of pepper, a little bit of oregano, and see me hungry. Yeah, me too. And, but, but, but right once, once it is all made together, you know, we can’t we can’t, you know, measure out the the molecules of water before it came the broth. So, so oneness is sort of like the same way that we taste soup, we can identify different flavors of, of this, of this wholeness, but we never, we can never undo, undo it once it’s done. So I think that this aspect of what you called Christ consciousness, if that’s your lens that you view through, I would say, you know, it’s very plausible that you can you can pull upon that, that that aspect of the wholeness. This and make it your, you know, your divine nature, you can make it part of your divine connection. I think everybody has their own spiritual master, you can, you know, you can make it a master like Jesus or Buddha or Rosu. Mother Mary, or, you know, it can be kind of more along the lines that I have chosen, which is in a bigger sense, the oneness. I’ve definitely had had moments where Jesus has come to me and I’ve, I’ve experienced that feeling and that, that consciousness and it is a flavor, it’s a flavor. But, you know, Jesus was also a human being that was aware that everything is connected, right? So I think father one, yes, exactly. So I think, you know, we can draw upon the teachings of all of these masters, we be very clear that that’s not that’s not the end of the world that they were helping us to see. This bigger part that we’re connected to.

Rick Archer: In India, they have the notion of ish to David tamas, which means you’re sort of the aspect of God to which you feel personal affinity. And different people choose different dish today because, you know, they might relate to Shiva or, you know, I don’t know, ganache or, or Kali or different ones or Christ for that matter. And so, I guess, yes, the understanding is that God is one and everything is ultimately one, but there are different manifestations are channels of that divine intelligence and different people have different affinities with, with one or the other. So,

Courtney Amundson: I love that I love that people have different affinities and I like to learn from people when they do you know, when they do want to talk about you know, Jesus, so, they want to talk about, you know, like I mentioned ganache site, I have been through many different sort of cultural interpretations between between the, you know, my teacher master Lin’s Chinese perspectives and, and through, through Qigong, you know, we we work with, you know, those kinds of masters more that he talks about. And then, you know, in the world of cure time we talk about, you know, we talked about Shiva, we talked about goodness, we we pray to Krishna, so, it’s in I don’t see them as separate. I really don’t, I don’t, I think that you may have heard, or seen the memes that say, you know, we’re just all walking each other home. And there’s a picture of all the Masters together. And, and I really liked that, and I liked that interpretation and the graphic with that, because I think it’s something we all need to be reminded of that there really is no division, we’re creating the division. Very true.

Rick Archer: Yeah, there’s a sort of a human tendency to want to think my thing is the best thing and or my thing is the only thing everything else is bogus, and, and so on and so forth, has created so much strife in this world. But anyway, I wanted to ask you more, I heard you say that, when you first started, when you were first started doing this channeling thing you churned out like 900 pages of it, and, and equipped me to the whole first part of it, he said pertained primarily to you personally. And then when you put the book together, I guess you didn’t use much of that it was more a lot of the other stuff, and you refined it down into, you know, two or 300 pages. So what was all this stuff that was for you, personally, that you didn’t put in the book? So

Courtney Amundson: it was about my own soul evolution? And some

Rick Archer: examples?

Courtney Amundson: I will Yeah, I will. So as I mentioned, I, you know, in the beginning, I was shown through some astral travel, some different past lives and ways that I lived

Rick Archer: anything noteworthy that they want to share.

Courtney Amundson: It wasn’t noteworthy in the sense that it was interesting, you know, it showed me death, actually re experiencing death and one of the lifetimes and that the story was incomplete. And that frustrated me. And I, I, you know, I, I was so I have to say this I was so involved in these stories, that it really detracted from living my life at the time. I was one The reasons why I felt so out of body a lot is because I was literally traveling places and experiencing different lifetimes. And, you know, it’d be hard to put into words because it was more a feeling sense. But I did experience a lot of pain in those lifetimes, you know, some of them felt more real than here, that, you know, I, I, you know, I was learning things, and then this one was cut short, and then I, you know, move into this more not human aspect where, you know, this was more like a galactic being. So I’m sure I would travel up to the sun to Mars, and see things there. Again, these are all environments, I was viewing it like a movie. And through my, through my senses, so I was aware that I was traveling, you know, they, the, the oneness would tell me, we’re going to take you here, just let go. Again, back to that surrender point, I had no idea what’s going on, I was like, show me the way letting go, I’d get zoomed out. First of all, I would, I would see sort of this light body come up over the top of my body. So I’d be laying down on my bed and see this light body come out, detach, and then I go, I did not do this on my own. I had no comfort with this, but the, you know, the guides, if you want to call them that, we’re doing it with me and for me, so. So I yeah, I experienced in in the one that I already shared with you, of experiencing oneness. I, you know, didn’t mention that i i also don’t saw myself as a as a black man on the sand in that vision. And my hands were tied behind my back. And I was I was I was posted on a on a on a steak on a cross and put in the ocean. You know? So somebody might ask me, what was the purpose of you seeing all this? You know, because it did upset me saying a lot of these things did upset me. What was the purpose of it? Well, I think that I think that I was opening these doors so I could release, release these aspects so that I could, you know, move forward. process them. Yeah, exactly. But you know, it’s just it didn’t have any, any. It was so personal. It didn’t have any relevance to anybody else. It was really my own journey of like, figuring out myself, yeah,

Rick Archer: well, you know, what’s interesting is, it’s almost like this was preparatory to your writing the rest of the book, because it was, it was like, a purification or something that had to take place. So you could be even more fit vehicle for the other stuff that came through?

Courtney Amundson: Absolutely. And I had to, I had to reach this equilibrium with the energy as well. You know, at that point, it was it was more, it wasn’t really the collective feeling that I felt, when I, when I really made the decision to make this a book, it felt, I call this energy, Hannah. And the reason why I, Montana, ha Na, my mom, my mom used to when my sister and I would go to bed, she would have us visualize our guardian angel, she called Hannah that would protect protect our home. And, and so that was that was a name and a frequency that I knew. And I, I use that word for, you know, for many, many months to call upon our energy. So yeah, and then it and then, you know, they said to me, you know, it’s time for you to share these things. Now, you’ve reached a certain point. And it’s time to go broader, and we’re going to help you through the process. So I said, Okay, I said, I’ll do it. But I also was sort of not believing that it was possible. I mean, I knew how introverted I was just the concept of writing a book seemed a little like, I don’t know, I don’t know about that. But, um, but the whole thing was so, you know, so effortless once it began, and it was a continuation, but it was all it was also a very clear start when it became a book, because it was it was directing to the collective and you know, they said to me, when you are in the state, other people are going to feel the state when they’re, when they’re reading the words, they’re going to feel it. They’re going to remember it and it’s going to have a similar effect on them. It’s timeless, and they said, you know, even as time progresses, the information will still stay relatable. So So in that sense, I really treated it like a sacred thing. It was a sacred time for me to be, you know, when I was writing it. And, and I did the best that I could to be as pure of a channel as I could be. And any moment that I had sort of a, you know, question or insert that I wanted to put in it, I just reminded myself No, you know, there’s, there’s something to be shown to, to me and to us. So I really tried to just to just receive and, and it did work. Well. Yeah,

Rick Archer: I have a printout here of all the chapter titles of your book, and there wouldn’t be time to go through them one by one, and have you comment on each one. But in a, in a summary kind of way? What are some of the things that people would find or learn in reading this book? What are the things that you consider most important?

Courtney Amundson: Well, on a very basic, basic level, people feel the sense of unconditional love and peace. People have picked up my book that aren’t, you know, interested in any sort of spiritual things, and they just read it, because I wrote it, and they want to know, you know, what, what it is that I published, and those kinds of people will feel a sense of peace and, and love. A deep, deep thing, and some people say to me, like, you know, I feel like it was written for me that, that’s the, that’s the most common response that I get is that people say they feel like it was written for them. There’s, there’s a few people that have come back to me with a more in depth evaluation of its effect on them. And these are people who are already very dedicated to their personal practice. And in that sense, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s changed people’s lives, by the foundation of realizing that all of this information is within them, and they can unlock it at their own, at their own will. And the moment that that’s realized, and really understood, is pretty incredible. It’s pretty incredible what happens with people because all of a sudden, they stopped calling me up, right? They don’t want to know what I have to say anymore. They they figured it out. It’s you know, it shows because most of my clients, I only have once I don’t have many repeat clients. It’s usually one and then they you know, they’re good for a while. The book,

Rick Archer: and we’ll use a client you mean like you have a Skype conversation with them or something and do a soul reading or Chesed?

Courtney Amundson: Reading? Yes. So reading Yep. Yeah, really, you know what it what it teaches you is to tap into your own that own voice, the one that you’re reading on the page is the one that is within you. And there may be an essence of it. That is me because I channeled it. But the goal really is when you’re reading those words, and when you’re when you’re able to let go and feel them, that that voice starts to become activated within you. And that you start to unlock those, those layers. You know, and you start to realize a shift within your own life that you notice things you notice the clarity of life around you more, you become less fearful of what other people think because you realize that you’re really the one that gets to guide your life. People take their life into their own hands.

Rick Archer: I think that’s really important. Some of my most popular interviews have been with Chandler’s Who’s that guy, Darryl Anka? Who channels? Somebody rather forget who? Bashar right. And he’s like the number two on BatGap. And then I’ve interviewed a few people who are healers and they become very popular. And I almost get the impression that there are certain types of people who want somebody to do do it for them, channeled something for me heal me, or whatever. Whereas ultimately, I think this is a do it yourself operation. We can get assistance from all kinds of places, but ultimately, we have to sort of do the do our own work. And so I think it’s healthy what you’re saying that you often only have one session with people and then they’re kind of on their own. They give them a boost or kick in the pants or whatever it enabled them to discover that it’s within them and then they can continue on that

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s proof of success to me. And also to notice it within myself, the moment that I stopped listening to other channelers, as well showed me that, yeah, I have enough confidence and that I can do this within myself. And, and that’s, that’s something that you’re only going to get to, once you, once you surrender, we keep talking about that surrender word. But it’s so true, you know, I’ve had, I’ve had clients before, where they, they, you know, it starts off with a sort of fighting momentum that they just want the answer, they just want the answer to their life, they want to be told, this is the way and all I have to do is say yes, to this job, or this relationship, or, you know, moving to this location, or whatever it is, or some people even get caught up on a past life in figuring that out, and the answer always comes down to right now is what is most important. And, and you get to choose where you want to put your energy, if you want to live in the energy of everyone else has the answer for you, and you have to keep climbing for for the truth within somebody else, you’re never going to be free. So make up your mind, if you want to be free, if you really want to do this yourself, then it means you have to get off the phone with me and you have to go in. So it’s always interesting to see, you know, some people catch on really fast. And some people it takes a little bit longer to but

Rick Archer: you know, for them to have some kind of practice or something because just telling somebody that all the we’ve all heard that the kingdom of heaven is within you and all that stuff. But, you know, you kind of sometimes need a technique or practice or some method of discovering that experientially and not just having someone tell it to you. Well, exactly,

Courtney Amundson: that’s ultimately what what you know, person saw in these readings always tells them is that, you know, you can be you can be told all day long from your best friend that, you know, they want you to take this job, but until you are convinced within yourself that that’s something that feels in alignment to you. Nothing, nothing can console you. Yeah. So that’s really my job. And and I also have a real passion with with working with people my age as well, because there’s so much there’s so much fear and anxiety and, and questions like so many people just unsure of where to go. And. And, yeah, I like to think that I can, you know, through my youtube channel through my videos, that I can help people to see that it’s, you know, it is not hard and you get you get to pave your own path and, and you can validate it for yourself. You don’t need somebody else to tell you. It’s okay.

Rick Archer: Well, speaking of people your age, a question came in from Chris in Massachusetts, and I ran my wife Irene and Dan in London who works on these questions, both edited it down quite a bit. I think Irene edited down. But anyway, here it is. She and Dan both felt it needed to be sent. This is from Chris, he says I’m 21 years old and have been invested in meditation, etc. for around five years now. And now discovering I’m quite empathic and quickly picking up spiritual insights. But I recognize how tricky the spiritual ego can be. My ego gets attached to the spiritual fireworks quote, unquote, of my experiences. It’s led me down some distracting and unbalanced roads. I need love and grounding to make my insights integrated and useful for others and to stay balanced. I have a great relationship with my friends, family and spiritual teachers. But romance is something I’ve avoided. I’m realizing I’m closing myself off by believing I’m too quote spiritually incompatible for most people. How do you reconcile not getting distracted and being dedicated to the path while being graceful and open to romantic partners? And where can I find more of my people?

Courtney Amundson: Okay, well, first of all, I totally feel you on so many levels there because I’ve been through that of just feeling like on your own island and nobody you can relate to and, and also being addicted to those experiences like you said. Fireworks. Yes, the fireworks. Yeah, it’s hard to get off of that. But it’s, it’s also like in my own experience when I was astral projecting all the time and I was seeing other places. I had no interest in really having a Talk about the weather, you know, to anybody else I, you know, it just seemed? In other words, you

Rick Archer: didn’t want to talk about Monday and stuff? No, no, I

Courtney Amundson: didn’t, I wanted to, I wanted to relate on that plane with other people. My experience showed me that, in order for me to be present in the world, I needed to, and you already answer your question to some degree that you need to be grounded and, and you can, you can be deep in your spirituality and be grounded at the same time. And I would say that you are the one driving the boat, as always, so you can ask for that to be shown to you in a different way that allows you to, you know, express more of your personality and go out with your friends and meet new people. And, you know, I, I made that adjustment when, when I started doing these interviews, really, two couple years ago, might be three years by now that I’ve been doing these interviews and connecting with more people. And, you know, I think you just have to ask for what you want, clearly, you know, you don’t want the experiences to go away, but you want you want to be more interacting with the world around you. So I would just when you go into your meditation, make that statement, when you connect to the universe. And, and ask, ask for it to be to be presented to you in a way that that will, will continue to further your growth, if you’re, if your goal right now is to meet new people and, and, and be relatable, then you don’t have to lose anything, I’m not saying lose anything, you know, continue with, with what you’re doing in your practices, and refining that will adjust your vibration, right? And, and these types of people will, will be more attracted to you and vice versa. Just have an open heart. Because I would say that when you feel when you have this, this vibe about you that I’m so different from everybody else, you are actually closing the door to having real relationships with people, a big thing that I had to come to terms with is that I’m just a human being right, plenty of other people have had these experiences, I had to let go of my ego about all this stuff, as well. And, and when I did that, and realized that was my, my real, like, open heartedness. That was the key, I started to relate more to my family and my friends, you don’t have to talk about your crazy firework experiences, but you can find that that common ground and that that openness with people, and that will translate to relationships as well when the time is right for you. But, you know, I would say first and foremost, just remember that you’re no different than anybody else, you know, a lot of people I’ve had very, probably very similar experiences as you have. So just treat it as you know that, that you’ve, you’ve taken a different language course than your other friends. And there’s, there’s an opportunity for you to maybe at some point, share those things and also for you to listen to them. And and what they have to share. Another thing I did was I got up I got on meetup.com and started to find other people that were sort of like minded as well. So sounds like there’s a few different things going on that you can get out in the world a little bit more and connect with people and also just just meet people where they are. Because that everybody’s going to relate to the world like you do.

Rick Archer: Yeah. And I think that there’s enough people out there everywhere that are sort of higher wavelength if you want to put it that way that you don’t have to compromise by going and hanging out in bars or something like that. Yeah, don’t do that. Yeah. Because there’s a lot of emphasis I know in the, in the Vedic tradition and probably and others, that it’s very important the company you keep, you know, that definitely has a big influence on on your evolution. And, you know, if you go into a coal mine wearing a white suit, you’re gonna get dirt on it. So yeah,

Courtney Amundson: yeah, I would also just say, Yeah, to that point, you know, surround yourself with people that that do get it as well. I’m not saying you know, just downgrade yourself at all by any means, but, but it may be very supportive to you to find a meetup group or something where you can express some of the ideas that you are getting and receiving and have people Are you No, go? Yeah, totally, I get it. Here’s what you do. And here’s how you can keep cultivating that. I found a group in my area when I was, you know, newly 17. New to all this, I hadn’t shared anything publicly. And I found a channeling group. And that shifted everything. For me. That’s where I got my competence from.

Rick Archer: Then you also have a cure time group that you get together with, and you do that kind of thing. Yeah. Apropos of Chris’s question, I hope you don’t mind me asking this. But do you plan to get married and have a family and do the whole

Courtney Amundson: share thing? Yeah, I’m sure you know, like, life takes you where, where you are putting your energy, right, I continue to want to grow and expand. And I think life is all about relationship. And it’s many forms. And, you know, I just love I just love like meeting people and like, feeling how they experienced life and, and when you can have a really deep connection with people that that’s, that’s like everything that validates my entire existence when I can find people like that. And I have a great group of people around me right now that I really value and they have my back and I have theirs. And I think yeah, just stick with that. And see where that takes you. I also want to grow in other ways too. And, and get to the point of, of traveling more and, and sharing sharing these things. Broader, but yeah,

Rick Archer: sure. Yeah, I read just passed me a note. There’s a song by The Moody Blues that goes I know you’re out there. So yeah. So that’s funny. Yeah. And speaking of traveling, I’ve done a lot of traveling, you know, over the world, and there’s amazing people everywhere, I spent three months in Iran, you know, been spent nine months in the Philippines, all kinds of different places, and there’s just these gems of people everywhere in the world. I’m sure you could go to any country, even some that are considered to be pretty dark places, and you’re gonna find some, some really nice people there. So they’re there. And I think they’re getting more and more plentiful.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, yeah, I think just learning. You know, listening to people’s stories is so important in life. Because everybody has a different life experience, and a different way of relating to a lot of the subjects we’re talking about as well. So I think it’s always interesting and cool to see through other people’s lens and see how it all comes together in the end.

Rick Archer: So we, we talked a little bit about what’s in your book, obviously, there’s could be a lot more discussion about that. And people can pick up the book in order to find out but what’s going to be in your second book, and how does that differ from your first book?

Courtney Amundson: My second book talks more about the energy of human consciousness and Earth consciousness and how they are evolving.

Rick Archer: Tell me more. That sounds interesting.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, and you know, I haven’t, I can, the one thing I have to also eject into this conversation is when I’m channeling these books, especially when I haven’t been editing it many, many times through, which is the case with this one yet. I haven’t. I don’t remember the content. I remember. I remember pieces and bits, right. But a lot of it has to do with I know there’s a big chunk about like the actual, you know, how the Earth is many different layers, it has different physical layers, and and so the book talks a little bit about these layers and how they are holding different kinds of information and consciousness and how it’s affecting our interaction with humanity, and how we are actually like, doing this dance.

Rick Archer: So when you say different layers, are you talking like geology, different deeper layers of the of the physical Earth? Down to the core? And so yes, exactly. Interesting.

Courtney Amundson: Exactly. Yeah. And yeah, that’s surprised me as well. I thought, you know, I wouldn’t have thought about it like that at all ever. But

Rick Archer: there’s also different layers, obviously, in the atmosphere. And right, sometimes I’ve heard amazing meditations up on on jet planes, you know, something about being up at 35,000 feet. I don’t know what it is, but

Courtney Amundson: Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I will continue to go deeper, you know, into these ideas. Like I said, I think I think this book, you know, is an extension of the last one, but it Yeah, it goes more into the physicality of of our nature and our Earth. And I think I think it is important because a lot of times, I know, sometimes I’m feeling a certain way, and I’m not sure you know how to separate it from my consciousness to the earth consciousness to the humanity consciousness, you know, it’s all collective right? Sometimes I feel muddy. And this might help us to kind of deepen our relationship to that, and also not get too, you know, scientific or, you know, in our minds about it.

Rick Archer: But I think collective consciousness is really a thing. And it’s a very influential thing. It can uplift us up can drag us down. And, and it varies from one spot to another. There’s like community consciousness or national consciousness or wherever you can even feel it when you cross a national boundary, a border into another country.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, totally, totally. That’s why Yeah, I feel like I’m always I’m always trying to refine my own census so that I can I can review what is mine and not take on everything. And more and more, it seems like, and maybe this is my own perception, or maybe, you know, you can talk about maybe some of your other guests that have felt this too. But I, I think it feels like the lines are more blurred these days where, you know, what is collective? And what is ours is a little bit. You know, what I’m saying? Yeah, it feels that way. It feels that way. And it might just be my own,

Rick Archer: maybe they’re more blurred for you, in particular, because you’re universal in your consciousness, you’re not so locked into the boundaries?

Courtney Amundson: Right? It could be that as well. But yeah, I think, you know, you can break it down into astrology, or you can, because a lot of ways to, to, you know, put this into language, I guess. But

Rick Archer: yeah, a lot of shifts seem to be taking place. Yeah, of course, a lot of people in New Age circles have been talking about, you know, Golden Age coming or whatever. Have you ever channeled anything about that? Or do you have any thoughts? Or? Yeah,

Courtney Amundson: yes, there is moments like that in the book where it talks about that, and, to my awareness, what I remember is that, you know, it’s not a, it’s not like, this is our first golden age. You know, there have been, yeah, there’s been many, but with, with all of this, you know, we’ve been talking about the cycle of, you know, one’s personal soul evolution throughout a lifetime, and many lifetimes, I see it the same way, as a collective. As an Earth, I see that, you know, we’re going through those same sort of cycles as well. And, you know, I don’t think that in 2012, everything changed. I think that, that, you know, in 2012, there might have been a moment where, you know, there was a shift, but we’re having shifts every single day, every single day, and, and it’s all pulled by our, our, our collective consciousness as an Earth as as humanity. And also, you know, we have assistants, we have assistants, as well, throughout all of that. So my job, personally, is to try to stay open, where I can, I can move with that flux, and continue to receive information about these things for myself, and just share with all all of you, but um, that’s why I say it’s like a constant surrender, right? Because it’s always being upgraded and changed the, the way in which you can receive and if the physical body is out of whack, then you can’t align this way, as well. So

Rick Archer: I get the feeling talking to you. And I’ve, this isn’t the first time I’ve thought this that you know, there are definitely sort of higher intelligences or higher beings or whatever, that are very much concerned with, you know, the earth and with its destiny and with the human species is surviving and evolving and so on. Do you have any comments or thoughts about that?

Courtney Amundson: I have received information about you know, kind of what we should what what we can do to help right what we can do to help but in terms of my own work and how the book is laid out. There’s never any words of you will, you know, like still be doom and gloom if you don’t do This, you know, it’s no, no, and it’s not even seen that way, honestly, most of the book, you know, it talks in the sense of like, there’s been a lot of pain and suffering on Earth, within your own collective consciousness, you know, there’s healing to, to be to be realized. But at the same time, you know, from the perspective of the non physical, everything is literally light, everything is seen as perfect. So, it’s, you have to, you know, when I was channeling this, it was almost like, you know, I had to receive it through the lens, like of a human being, asking the question about where our earth is going. Because if you were to just receive the the non physical perspective about this, it would be well, it’s all good. Because your earth is going through a cycle, you’re going through a cycle, and it will continue. So that’s, that’s my direct line. But you might ask somebody who is tapping into a flavor, like maybe Bashar or Kryon, of magnetic service, and you’ll receive, you know, a slightly different the same answer, which is, maybe here are some things you can do to assist because they, they are more, they are more personalized flavors of the soup, where they come through as their, you know, unique, unique personality to assist humanity, and really go deeper into these questions. So, yeah, I’d be, I’d be interested to see, I don’t listen to those as much anymore these days. But it all does come down to the same thing in the end, that we need to continue to raise our own personal vibration each and every day. And if we, if we buy into the the fear of being sold on the market every day in every form, then we’re not living up to our potential. I see it all the time, you know, people get people get really passionate about activism, but then they become the very thing that they’re fighting against. Because all they’re doing is promoting more fear, and more, you know, distractions and separation. And I say, like, if you are, if you are trying to be a light worker, you know, in the sense of the New Age way that everybody’s like, you know, be the light worker, you know, I say, Okay, well then talk with your family member that doesn’t agree with you. And ask them what their life is about. And, you know, don’t just talk to the people that think like you and, and, you know, you get snarky towards them, because they don’t think like you that’s not being a light worker. If you want to change the world, then you actually have to get in there. I mean, I just think it’s so funny, because I meet so many spiritual teachers that are like, they only hang out with their tribe. And they never really get to the root of humaneness and emotion and contrast and separation, because they’re forcing themselves to stay in that little bubble. Well, you can only go so far with that. So I guess that’s my mission is that I go into the depth of things, and I share things vulnerable vulnerably that people see. And they’re like, Wow, you kind of look funny, like doing that? Because nobody, nobody does it. A lot of people don’t want to share.

Rick Archer: There’s a couple here in town that gets together groups of Republicans and Democrats and helps facilitate communication and find common ground between them, and so on and so forth. And it’s kind of reminded me Yeah,

Courtney Amundson: exactly. And you can do it in simple, simple ways. It’s just that, you know, if you know what you’re meant to do, then then take it all the way, you know, don’t don’t just be confined to a certain environment.

Rick Archer: Yeah. Yeah. So let’s wrap it up a little bit. So, you know, you’ve mentioned number of times that you have sessions with people, I guess, over Skype or phone or something. We want to just say a word or two about that, so that if people are interested, they they’ll know what it is you’re offering. Sure.

Courtney Amundson: Yeah. So a soul reading with me, is basically an opportunity to have a conversation with your soul in real time. And the experience for me is, you know, we’ve been probably listening about how I’ve channeled my book teachings from God. It’s it’s the same process of letting go and asking, asking the universe to come through. Although in the sense of working with somebody one on one On, I asked for that, that essence of you to come forth. And, and it’s very specific to you, right. And so I take you into a short meditation. And in that time, we kind of reached this equilibrium of energy. And then I let to know that we’re going to start the reading now. And, and I just tell you to focus on your heart and focus on a golden son and your heart. And, and to just just smile, smile. And my teacher master Lin says, smile stands for start my internal love engine, I always tell people that and then I begin the reading and, and usually they give an overview of, of where you’re at right now and what they’re seeing. For you. It’s kind of like an energetic forecast. And then you

Rick Archer: say, this is the guide,

Courtney Amundson: with the soul, the soul collective of you. And then, you know, say to you, you know, what do you want to talk about? It’s really that simple. What do you want to talk about, at what you wrote down two days ago? should ask, it’s like, in this moment, what’s what do you want to talk about? And they really try to help you to see that, you know, spirit is your best friend, your soul is your best friend. It’s not some high mighty source, you know, it is, it is, it is part of you as well. So the more you can become friends with with this aspect, the deeper you will go and the more in tune, you’ll be within yourself. So that’s the format of how I really conduct private reading,

Rick Archer: do you end up getting into stuff that’s really specific to them? Yes. Health and relationships and all the stuff that people go through?

Courtney Amundson: Yeah, definitely, definitely. And it always gets down to the root of that energetic compound, rather than just the question. Like, it’s never a yes or no, it’s like, you know, am I in the right relationship? Well, let’s expand upon that. And we really go down to the root of, you know, that person’s psyche, and why they’re holding themselves in a certain pattern and how they can release it. And it’s, it’s always just the simplest thing, and people can’t believe that it’s that simple. But it is, and, you know, I’ll get emails days later, like, wow, I already feel so different. I already feel so different with my life. And it’s just because you’re, you’re taking things into your own hands, and you’re no longer waiting for permission. So it’s, it’s profound in the sense that it’s simple. And it allows people to walk away, feeling empowered within themselves to to go further, you know, on their own.

Rick Archer: That’s good. That gives people an idea that, so you’ve shut down all your social media accounts, but I want you to do YouTube. And people can contact you through your website, right and teachings from god.com, which I’m showing on the screen here right now. And you still have social media buttons on there, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Do those do anything or they’re kind of stuck because your social media accounts so

Courtney Amundson: I’m planning to be very active on YouTube. Still, that’s my main platform. So I’ll encourage all of you to subscribe to my YouTube channel. I’m on Instagram Courtney data Amundson less likely to be on there. 24/7. But still, they’re still there. The only thing I’m not on right now is Facebook and Twitter. So,

Rick Archer: but you people can email you through your website to get set up one of these soul rates? Yes, yes. Okay, great. Well, it’s been wonderful spending time with you and getting to know you both over the past week as I’ve been listening to things and reading your book, and, and then having this conversation. I really enjoyed it.

Courtney Amundson: I really enjoyed it, too. i It’s been a couple years that I’ve I’ve been waiting for this to happen. And it’s just great that that it worked out. And I feel really honored to be on your show. So thank you so much for having me.

Rick Archer: Yeah. And obviously, if you ever come down to Fairfield get in touch.

Courtney Amundson: I will. I will. Absolutely.

Rick Archer: Maybe I’ll see you at that conference.

Courtney Amundson: Yes, yes. I hope to be there. Cool. All right. tend to be there. Yeah. All right.

Rick Archer: Well, thanks, Courtney. Let me just make a wrap up point here too. So you’ve been listening to an interview with Courtney Amundson, and we’ve just discussed how to get in touch with her. This is part of an ongoing series. And if you go to batgap.com Just check out the menus. You can subscribe to be notified by email when new interviews are posted. You can subscribe to the YouTube channel and YouTube do and check out the other menus and you’ll see a few things that you might find interesting. So thanks for listening or watching and we’ll hope to see you for the next one.