679. Mark Gober and Doug Scott on the Spiritual Implications of UFOs

Mark GoberMark Gober is the author of “An End to Upside Down Thinking” (2018), which won the IPPY award for best science book of the year. He is also the author of “An End to Upside Down Living” (2020), “An End to Upside Down Liberty” (2021), “An End to Upside Down Contact” (2022), and “An End to the Upside Down Reset” (2023); and he is the host of the podcast series “Where Is My Mind?” (2019). Additionally, he serves on the boards of Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell’s Institute of Noetic Sciences and the School of Wholeness and Enlightenment.

Previously, Gober was a partner at Sherpa Technology Group in Silicon Valley and worked as an investment banking analyst with UBS in New York. He has been named one of IAM’s Strategy 300: The World’s Leading Intellectual Property Strategists.

Gober graduated magna cum laude from Princeton University, where he wrote an award-winning thesis on Daniel Kahneman’s Nobel Prize–winning “Prospect Theory” and was elected a captain of Princeton’s Division I tennis team.

Previous BatGap interview with Mark

Doug Scott, LCSW, works as a mental health counselor in his private practice in Dallas, Texas.  After graduating from college in 1997, he served as an international volunteer for two years in Bluefields, Nicaragua. This intense experience changed his life and he returned to the US to pursue graduate studies in clinical social work and pastoral ministry at Boston College. The nexus of spirituality and psychology have always intrigued Doug since childhood and he brings this sensibility to his counseling practice.

Doug grew up Catholic and was always drawn to the mystical lineage within this belief system.  He had experiences with Jesus, Mary, and angels at an early age. He was also secretly attracted to all things paranormal and would spend many hours reading topics such as reincarnation, ufology, OBE’s, NDE’s, ghosts, ESP, pyramids, and other areas.

One evening in 2013, he felt a presence that invited him to listen to a Buddhist chant, which came as a surprise since, at that time, he had not explored other faith systems. He was guided to listen to Om Mani Padme Hum and as the chant unfolded, Doug saw a golden dew overshadow him and activate him in a way that was new.  This marked the next chapter in Doug’s life.

A few months later, Doug was led to the Law of One material and immediately saw that it provided the clearest, most undistorted, exploration of the Perennial Philosophy that he’d ever come across. It also cast a wide net to include all of the paranormal things that intrigued him and made it possible for him to put all of the different threads in his life together in one seamless garment.

Since 2015, Doug has written a blog (cosmicchrist.net) that explores the synthesis of the Law of One material with mystical Christianity and psychology.  He sees his vocation in this lifetime as a bridge-builder between conventional concepts and cosmic metaphysics to help people who seek clarity, normalization, and validation for their own journeys.

Previous BatGap interview with Doug

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Summary and transcript of this interview

Interview recorded March 26, 2023.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:05:40 – From Curiosity to Writing Books on Consciousness
  • 00:08:51 – Past Lives on Other Planets
  • 00:13:10 – Childhood Encounter with UFOs
  • 00:20:09 – Compelling UFO Sightings Throughout History
  • 00:25:56 – The UFO Phenomenon and Spiritual Seeking
  • 00:31:36 – The Agenda of Beings in the Spirit World
  • 00:36:09 – The Evolution of Alien Abduction Experiences
  • 00:39:32 – Alien Intervention at Nuclear Sites and Their Agenda
  • 00:45:03 – Polarity and Progression in Higher Densities
  • 00:52:06 – Causality and Mutual Influence in Higher Realms
  • 00:59:05 – The Veil of Forgetting and the Choice of Path
  • 01:05:03 – Speculation on Alien Species and Agendas
  • 01:12:43 – The Connection Between Memory and Perception
  • 01:20:33 – DMT and Accessing Alternate Realms
  • 01:25:31 – The Vedic Cosmology: 14 Worlds
  • 01:29:21 – Unity and Separation
  • 01:33:33 – Disclosure and the Importance of Concrete Proof
  • 01:39:50 – The Difference Between Third and Fourth Density
  • 01:45:58 – Connecting with Cosmic Intelligence
  • 01:50:23 – Embracing the Positive Path Together
  • 01:55:09 – Abrupt Shifts in Collective Consciousness
  • 01:59:28 – The Importance of Holistic Development
  • 02:02:25 – Introduction to an Indian Master

516. Rey Hernandez

Rey HernandezRey Hernandez is Executive Director of the Consciousness and Contact Research Institute (CCRI), a 501c3 academic research institute comprised of 15 Ph.D. academics and medical doctors whose mission is to explore the relationship between Consciousness, our Cosmology, and Contact with Non-Human Intelligence via the Contact Modalities.

Rey was previously one of the co-founders of The Dr. Edgar Mitchell FREE Foundation, a 501c3 academic research institute comprised of 12 Ph.D. academics and lay researchers who recently completed a 5-year comprehensive, worldwide, academic research study on UFO Contact Experiencers.  The late Apollo 14 Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the 6th man to walk on the Moon and the founder of the Institute for Noetic Sciences, and Dr. Rudy Schild, Emeritus Professor of Astrophysics at Harvard University, were two of FREE’s co-founders.

Rey graduated with honors from Rutgers College, was a Masters Candidate at Cornell University, and was a Ph.D. Candidate at the University of California at Berkeley where he was the recipient of a National Science Foundation Ph.D. Fellowship.  He previously was a Professor for six years at the New School for Social Research and at the City University of New York.  He is currently an attorney with the US Dept. of Treasury in Miami, Florida.

Rey is one of three co-editors of the historic 820-page book titled “Beyond UFOs: The Science of Consciousness & Contact with Non-Human Intelligence (Volume 1)”, which was based on FREE’s 5-year comprehensive academic research study on UFO-related contact experiencers.  He has also published in several peer-reviewed academic journals including the Journal of Consciousness Studies and the Journal of the Society for Scientific Exploration.  Rey’s new projects are a 3-volume book and a full feature science documentary titled “A Greater Reality:  The New Paradigm of Consciousness, the Paranormal, and the Contact Modalities”.

Rey’s email is:  [email protected]

Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group.

Transcript of this interview.

Interview recorded August 31, 2019.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:04:55 – Edgar Mitchell’s Interest in UFOs and Contact Experiences
  • 00:10:20 – A miraculous encounter with angels
  • 00:15:16 – Different Perspectives and Missing Time
  • 00:19:33 – Angelic Visitations and UFO Encounters
  • 00:24:04 – Witnessing a UFO with My Daughter
  • 00:28:27 – Unexplained Sightings Above the House
  • 00:32:45 – The Start of Paranormal Experiences
  • 00:37:37 – Positive Effects of Contact with Non-Human Intelligence
  • 00:42:22 – The Evolution of John Mack’s Research and the Shift in Perspectives
  • 00:47:27 – Transformative and Positive Experiences
  • 00:52:25 – Paranormal Experiences and Spiritual Messages
  • 00:57:29 – Interconnected Contact Modalities within the UFO Field
  • 01:01:59 – The Physical and Non-Physical Nature of Contact Modalities
  • 01:06:54 – Comparisons between Near-Death Experiences and UFO Contact
  • 01:10:56 – Interacting with Beings from Subtler Realms
  • 01:15:09 – Exploring Consciousness and Diverse Experiences
  • 01:19:04 – The tipping point of acceptance
  • 01:23:41 – The Emergence of Non-Material Topics
  • 01:27:32 – The Rise of Contact Modalities
  • 01:31:52 – Awakening of Humanity and the Need for Spiritual Evolution
  • 01:36:13 – The Team of Advisors
  • 01:40:09 – Embracing all possibilities in the search for truth
  • 01:44:29 – Unity and Consciousness in Ancient Texts
  • 01:48:53 – The Unanswered Questions of Consciousness and Contact
  • 01:52:28 – Dealing with Different Types of Entities
  • 01:56:24 – Major Categories of Interactions with Beings
  • 02:00:40 – The Transformation of Humanity
  • 02:04:11 – A Downloaded Revelation
  • 02:08:28 – Encounters with Non-Human Intelligence
  • 02:12:29 – Thank you, Ray