Asil Toksal – Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview Transcript

Asil Toksal – Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview Transcript

>>Rick:  Welcome to Buddha at the gas pump. My name is Rick Archer. Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of interviews with spiritually awakening people. We’ve done five hundred and seventy-something of them now. If this is new to you and you’d like to check out previous ones, please go to “b a t g a p” and look under the past interviews menu where you’ll find all the previous ones archived in different ways. This program is made possible through the support of appreciative listeners and viewers, so if you appreciate it and would like to help support it, there is a PayPal button on every page of the website, and also there’s a page that explains other ways of supporting it if you don’t like to use PayPal. My guest today is Asil Toksal. Welcome, Asil.

>>Asil:  Hi Rick, nice to meet you.

>>Rick:  Nice to meet you. Actually, we’ve met. Asil and I have been chatting for twenty minutes getting things set up here, and I immediately felt a nice affinity or a familiarity with him. You know, you feel that with some people. You meet them and you feel like, okay, I know this guy. Asil is an Austrian-born channel. He’s much more than a channel, but he channels, as you’ll see. His work includes group energy alignment sessions and the channeling of celestial guides, as well as working on the energetic alignment of sacred sites around the world. We’re going to talk about that. The goal of this work is to assist in the evolution of consciousness in humanity. He has traveled widely to do this throughout the U.S., Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. For the past eighteen years, Asil has been deeply committed to a spiritual path, while also training in a variety of different energy healing modalities. He has worked with many masters and lineage holders of various traditions in South America, North America, and China. In his earlier years, he also served as a CEO and corporate executive in software marketing communications. All right. I could read the rest of this bio, but I think I’ll just switch to having Asil tell us this in his own words. So, I’ve read most of your book, Asil. I would have read all of it, but I ran out of time, but I read at least three-quarters of it, and I particularly enjoyed the beginning part where you told your personal story of how you had been a good student and all that, and become quite a successful businessman, but then felt dissatisfaction and started looking for something deeper. So I think it would be nice if you were to tell us that story in as much detail as you like, and we’ll take it from there.

>>Asil:  Great. Well, thanks for reading the book.

>>Rick:  Well yeah, it was good.

>>Asil:  It is always an interesting journey to be vulnerable and transparent about one’s life or journey, to the general public. So just to give you a little bit of a background, I was born in Austria to a family of immigrants from Turkey. My parents had moved in their early twenties, and so me and my sister were born into a family that was looking for a better future in a more developed country, in [a] bigger economic outlook. So my parents’ focus was very much what they couldn’t have, their unfulfilled dreams. And that was an excellent academic education and economic career that would allow for stability and a great outlook for the future. So me and my sister became these… “academic monsters.” So we studied multiple different majors at different universities. My sister speaks eight languages and so on. I went the engineer and scientist route. I became a chemical engineer and computer scientist. And we were doing everything right by the book. We were excelling in what the unfulfilled dreams of our parents were. And I was following a path that I was attracted to but didn’t really know until much later what I was really wanting from life, so I thought this is what I want from life because my parents want this for me, or society wants this for me. Does that make sense?

>>Rick:  Yeah, sure. A lot of people do that.

>>Asil:  So, early on, even before I finished my studies, I had this idea that — wow, that was twenty years ago — the world is crumbling the way the earth is being treated. The way we use energy is so inefficient and is so unsustainable, I’m going to look into what are other energy methods to get into that. So I started a biofuels investigation, search, research, and then eventually a biofuels company, to create fuels out of waste, waste oils. And that worked. I was an early-twenty-year-old and raised money and built that company. It was almost like a dream was manifesting itself in front of me. My dream of making the world a better place, with engineering, and with science, and with entrepreneurship. And I followed that dream for a while, and I started to see that a dream and its manifestation is not enough. There was something intrinsically embedded in the fabric of society that prevented the creations of this kind to fully have an impact on society and the world. That was competition from industry peers that have the same vision of making the world a better place, but there was like this gnarly old tycoon-like competition.

>>Rick:  And then competition from companies that don’t give a damn about making the world a better place, they just want to make a lot of money, that are pushing the old technologies.

>>Asil:  Yes. And they are pushed by the financial-economic systems as well. Right? Extraction and so on and so forth — optimization and stock markets and shareholders — so there’s a whole other system that’s pushing them, so it trickles down all the way to the consumer. So we are in this giant system. Good luck trying to break it from all the way down, right?

>>Rick:  Yeah.

>>Asil:  You need multiple entry points. So, as a blue-eyed twenty-one, twenty-two-year-old, I decided to sell my shares in the company and leave the company, even though it was a working creation. And I thought, this is interesting, I have now exited a company that I’ve created, and I have achieved — quote unquote — what my parents wanted me to achieve. It was some level of success. It was a recognition from my peers, it was recognition, some form of fame, fifteen minutes of fame, or whatever you want to call it,

>>Rick:  Right, emotional fluid.

>>Asil:  And here I am sitting in my room, in my living room, in my nice apartment in Vienna, after a party that I had hosted, and I felt so empty, there was a part of me that just felt like, this is not it, whatever this is, it’s not it. And this emptiness was so strong, and I didn’t have any more twelve- and fourteen-hour days of working, so I didn’t have the distractions to distract me from this big gaping hole in my heart. And I thought this is what I need to find. This is what I need to look for. It’s no longer doing, doing, doing, action, action, action, no matter how well-intended it is. It is more like looking, something inside of me needs to be observed, and to be discovered more closely. That started the whole journey.

>>Rick:  Yeah, that’s great. I kind of came to a similar realization when I was that age, but my life was a shambles. I didn’t have anything to really renounce in order to devote myself to consciousness, but I did realize that consciousness is the ultimate sort of fulcrum, or lever, which is the most influential level. If we can somehow function at that level, we can change all the more manifest levels that are built upon it. And I still feel that. I mean everything we see going on in the world with climate change and everything else, is really just symptomatic of some deeper dynamic in human consciousness or human psychology. And if we really want to change all these symptoms, we’ve got to get to the underlying cause. And so I commend you for coming to that realization as young as you did, and for doing something about it.

>>Asil:  Let’s say I had a trigger to look deeper. The actual realization that consciousness evolution is really the key to all of our evolution, as a species, as a society, as a civilization, came much later. When I started to find liberation, some form of growth, and freedom from continuously doing my internal work, so to say, Internal work, as in healing, realignment, relationships, and all of that, really finding what had been disconnected within me, I started to realize, wow, if everyone would operate from a more liberated and more aligned place inside, we would have a completely different world.

>>Rick:  Yeah. I interviewed a school teacher about a month ago and she had had a near death experience and some very profound insights, but she was describing what she encounters as a school teacher. And where she lived anyway, in a rather poorer section of Dallas, all the kids are strung out on drugs, many of them during class, they’re totally stoned. The girls are getting pregnant, the guys are getting in trouble with the law, and it’s kind of like, multiply that times all the cities around the country and, wow! If this is the foundation, if this is the next generation coming up, and obviously not all the kids are this way, but it’s really kind of a hidden pandemic of confused, unhappy, lost people. How can we expect society to flourish if that’s the foundation? It’s possible to have it so different than that, but we are not there yet, by a long shot, in terms of creating the kind of education where kids could really start on the path to spiritual awakening at a young age and reach their full potential as adults.

>>Asil:  Yeah, it’s an excellent point that you make. And an additional thing that I’m observing is that also the newest generations, aside from the generations that are already being indoctrinated with existing educational systems, indoctrinated with old beliefs and old mechanisms, infrastructures, mental infrastructures, emotional infrastructures of the past generations, including the wounds that haven’t been healed yet and processed, there is an entirely new generation that’s coming, that feels, I don’t know, like I have conversations with a four-year-old, or a five-year-old, [and] I’m just mind blown, thinking I’m talking to an ancient Taoist master here. It is mind-blowing the type of souls that are entering this plane.

>>Rick:  Yeah. I’m glad you said that because you needed to counterbalance the point I just made, which seemed rather depressing. So, what do you think? There’s two questions here. What is it? On the one hand, there’s this tremendous confusion and suffering, and people going through all kinds of messed-up stuff. And on the other hand, there are some really bright souls coming in, so what do you make of that dichotomy?

>>Asil:  Well, I call it the great polarity. And in this incredible time of awakening, incredible time of transition or transformation, we have to go through a really intense polarity. A polarity within us, as well as a polarity within society. And this polarity pulls to the extremes of our consciousness, to the extremes of our emotions, and that is represented as well in the people, as well as the perspectives that we hold. The full spectrum, right? On its edges. And I think this intense polarity is required, to come to a place of unification, eventually. It’s almost like consciousness is stretching itself to really see all perspectives from all angles, as wide as possible before it can unify in a grander perspective, That’s the way I’ve been envisioning it.

>>Rick:  I think you have something there. I think there are historical precedents for this too, going back even thousands of years. The Bhagavad Gita, the Mahabharata starts with this whole huge polarity that had built up in that society and then it culminated in this great war. But, I think it’s interesting. I actually took some notes here yesterday that I wanted to ask you about in terms of this polarity point. There’s political polarities that are really extreme now and social unrest that’s very polarized, and there’s even polarization with regard to the COVID pandemic. One whole segment of the population thinks it’s a hoax or nothing to worry about, another is taking it seriously. Or climate change, again. And it tends to be along political lines, but one whole section of society thinks it’s again, a hoax, and another is it’s a dire problem. And then there are all these conspiracy theories flying around that confuse the heck out of everybody because you can’t tell what’s true these days. Anybody can say anything on the internet and people tend to be very impressionable or gullible. When they hear something [that] seems to ring true then they adapt their way of thinking to that thing, even though it might be completely untethered from any kind of reality. So again, I’ll have you comment on that a little bit.

>>Asil:  Well, coming from the background that I am coming from, as an Austrian with an engineering and scientific background, I held a very tight and narrow perspective of what truth and what reality is. Right? And just having gone the spiritual journey, I had to hold both, a really wide spectrum of perspectives that are possible, and that are true to the person that is experiencing that reality and seeing it from their perspective, as well as my perspective also being true, almost like holding a paradox in your hand by truly being present, not just as an individual, but as a consciousness. Does that make sense?

>>Rick:  It does. And actually, it reminds me of a quote from a Nisargadatta Maharaj, if you’ve heard of him, an Indian Sage. He said that “the ability to appreciate paradox and ambiguity is an indicator of one’s level of spiritual maturity.”

>>Asil:  I’ll say thank you to him.

>>Rick:  Yeah. And indeed, many of the things that you experienced and that we’re going to talk about today would seem completely outlandish to the average person. They’d think, well this guy’s nuts. He can’t be experiencing all that stuff. And yet I believe you are, and you believe you are, and I believe in all kinds of things that are pretty far out by ordinary standards that the general public wouldn’t accept, and yet the general public is also accepting all kinds of things that I think are pretty outlandish and that are mistaken and that aren’t based on a scientific approach.

>>Asil:  Right. So there is all these different perspectives, and I don’t necessarily – I do appreciate science, coming from that background, and I also believe that science fifty years ago, a hundred years ago, five hundred years ago looked very, very different. The things that were not accepted to be true and the things that were accepted to be true is wide from, like far away from where we are today. And it will be very, very different in ten years from now what we perceive to be true and not to be true. And, dwelling a little bit into some of the scientists that have been on the edge of consciousness, they come to a place where okay, at this point there’s no answers really. I think this is kind of going into the belief realm, or into the God realm, and there is a fascination that I have when a scientist reaches that part, that level, that edge.

>>Rick:  Good point. I mean, modern science predominantly has a materialist, reductionist emphasis these days. That’s their paradigm, and anybody talking about consciousness, or near-death experiences, or channeling, or angels, or any of that stuff, doesn’t fit into that paradigm and is rejected as being preposterous or hallucinatory or something. But the materials paradigm has been woefully inadequate. It’s built us rockets to get to the moon, and bridges, and skyscrapers, but then, we’re on the verge of climate extinction and all kinds of other problems, so obviously it’s a very mixed blessing. And I think you would agree that perhaps we don’t need to dismantle it, we need to supplement it with an understanding of its foundation in consciousness. We need to flip the whole thing on its head — rather than consciousness being a product of the brain, the brain and everything else is a manifestation of consciousness and then it’ll all kind of start to work out.

>>Asil:  I whole-heartedly agree, I think it’s complimentary, it’s almost like infusing the edges of consciousness with outrageous ideas, with the imagination with which humanity has started science in the first place.

>>Rick:  Yeah. A good point. And it’s actually by outrageous ideas that science has ever advanced. When Einstein first came up with his theories of relativity, people were saying, how did he come up with that? That is so out of the box, and yet the equation supported it.

>>Asil:  Exactly.

>>Rick:  Well, let’s get back to your story. We’ve gone off on a little bit of a tangent and people want to know who you are and how you got to thinking the way you think. So we last left you at some kind of party and you hadn’t really started out on your spiritual journey. Let’s talk about how that proceeded.

>>Asil:  So the spiritual journey was a parallel track to continuing my worldly journey. I continued to build companies and run companies, software, and marketing, and I moved to the United States. I saw a great division for myself in the United States. And in the United States, I became much more acquainted with the native American traditions. Anything from sweat lodges to rituals that I could join, participate [in], come closer to spirit because I felt there was something there that I couldn’t understand, and society didn’t really have answers for me. So I wanted to meet the people that were really close to spirit. They were close to something mystical. The mystery of life, the mystery of existence, that I hadn’t found answers yet from science, in my regard, or from society. And so that was a first step in and eventually, I started to delve into Chinese mysticism, Taoist mysticism, and started to study with a Taoist master in China. And that took me on an entire new understanding of, wow! The Taoist approach to spiritual development is actually incredibly scientific. And the ancient Taoists were mathematicians, astronomers. They were healers, like the way traditional Chinese medicine had been developed, or the I-Ching had been developed. It’s so incredibly precise and detailed, right? It’s not like super mystical. They took the mystical and tried to make it into a tangible, reproducible, and sustainable method of understanding reality. So I was super fascinated by that, of course, the scientist and the engineer in me, right? and learning different methods of meditation, as well as internal energy management and understanding the way energy moves in nature, and the way energy moves inside of the body, and if you do certain practices in a certain way, for a certain amount of time, you will get results. That was their promise. They would say, if you do A, B, and C, you will get to D. Okay, this sounds great! Let me do it! So I followed that path for a while and then I got a little impatient because the master would say, “Here, you need to do this particular meditation for seven years. Come back to me when you’re done with it.” I was like, “What? Seven years? We don’t have that time. We don’t have that time.” And so the curious, the impatient and the researcher in me continued the journey. I spent some time in India, I spent some time in South America, really finding more people that are close to spirit. How do they get to spirit? And what do they do when they get to spirit? How does it shape their perspectives of the world? And are they truly better people and human beings as a result of that? That was for me an important indicator. I didn’t care how spiritually evolved someone was if they couldn’t be a good and decent human being that delivered a positive outcome on their lives and on the lives of others.

>>Rick:  You should know them by their fruits.

>>Asil:  That’s exactly right. And so I spent a good amount of time with shamans of South America, and different tribes, and also in the jungle, in the mountains of Peru, as well as in the mountains of India.

>>Rick:  And doing some Ayahuasca in there it sounds like, Peru?

>>Asil:  Literally, all medicines you can imagine. Various types of ‘dietas’ and various types of rituals. And similarly as well in India, and other parts of Southeast Asia. For me, what was important is, there is an access into the non-material world. There is an access to consciousness, as well as altered states of consciousness that each civilization or different versions of civilizations on societies have developed entry points into. Right? Imagine it to be like a mountain where there’s many, many different paths up the mountain.

>>Rick:  Right.

>>Asil:  And in some ways, they’re all right. You can’t say one is right and the other one isn’t. They all have different pathways. Some pathways are a little bit more scenic, and some pathways are more direct and super intense, and some pathways are sustainable, some pathways you make three steps forward, two steps back. So I was just mesmerized by the idea how humanity has established itself, or the consciousness of humanity, is desiring to go up a mountain [and] they don’t really fully understand why, but it’s like intrinsically in us.

>>Rick:  Yeah. You know, as you were saying that I kept thinking, isn’t it cool, isn’t it interesting, how we all have this kind of innate knowing that there is some higher dimension, something to be realized, and we may not know what it is, but there’s this sort of natural human craving to find it out. I’m reminded of the movie Close Encounters of The Third Kind, where Richard Dreyfus kept looking for — he knows there’s something — you’ve seen that movie?

>>Asil:  Yeah.

>>Rick:  Yeah. He’s building a mountain of mashed potatoes on his plate at the dinner table, and he says, “This means something. I know this means something!” And his family’s looking at him like he’s crazy, and he couldn’t stop. You know, that movie is a beautiful metaphor for the spiritual path. Everyone was trying to tell him he was crazy, and he should give it up and just keep working for the telephone company, and he kept thinking, “No, I’ve got to find this thing. I know it’s there. I don’t know what it is.” And you know, he eventually finds it. But you know, I think all of humanity is driven by an urge like that.

>>Asil:  Yeah. And that was the urge that was driving me. I knew there’s something there, there’s something deeper, it’s a deeper calling inside, and I really needed to find out what it was. So basically all the different healing methodologies that I had experienced on myself that delivered some form of opening, some form of expansion, I thought, “Wow, this is really good.” And I started to tell people about it. I said like, “Hey, try this. It will make you better.” I could see how some people were just stuck in their lives, running the hamster wheel the way I had been doing it. So I said, “Hey, just at least try a couple of different things. Here’s like fifteen different things you could try.” And so I would start to infuse that in the communities around me and the people in my relationships. And eventually, I started to see, oh, wow, I could actually learn to do some of these things myself, given time and practice and training. And I started to do that. I started to hold retreats that would allow individuals to come to a deeper level of sense, to some of the pains that had been suppressed, some of the wounds that had not been processed properly, where the space wasn’t there to process it. Because in society we keep on running and the symptoms are treated, but then you treat it enough you can go back into the machine to continue running in the machine. Right? So I was like, okay, a lot of people just don’t have the space for the healing that is required to happen. And I was given that space by some of the people that I went to, but not everyone can go that extreme. So that was somehow my process. I left the companies that I had created and went back into that space and said, okay, you know what? I will dedicate my entire life to this journey. To the journey of healing and evolution and growth, whatever that looks like. And so once I was in that journey, I was doing retreats all around the world and there was particularly one retreat that I had held interestingly enough, in Northern California, in the Redwood forest, and it was a full moon night with the misty fog going through the Redwood forest. We’re sitting outside by the fire and the retreat has just finished, and I told everyone they can just go to bed. And I’m there sitting in the forest still in deep meditation. And all I could hear was suddenly the silencing of the birds and the insects, everything turned really quiet, almost like a soundproof dome of energy just was like covering me and the entire space. And I could feel the presence of something else. Like there was a reverence to the energy that had just shifted. And I thought, wow, this is either jackpot or I’m in trouble. One of the two. And so, and these lights that were around me, these light beings — I felt some sort of intelligence, some sort of consciousness that was with me — and they started to speak to me in a way that I thought it’s just like you and I speaking. I thought maybe it’s a part of my consciousness that’s speaking to me. It’s a higher part of me. And the voice said, “You’re finally ready and we can now work with you.” And I thought. Okay. Tell me more.

>>Rick:  And just to clarify a little bit, so, was that like just a subtle thought in your mind? Or was it kind of like, clear as a bell, as if someone were there with you in the forest, speaking this to you? I mean, how concrete was that voice?

>>Asil:  It was, with closed eyes, it was feeling like an incredibly vivid vision. While in half-asleep, half-awake state. I was awake. I was sitting, and I was overwhelmed by the energy of that vision. It didn’t come just as a vision and words, but there was an energy about it as well. And it was not subtle, it was visceral. So, I thought okay, something’s going on here. And a part of me was terrified, a part of me was excited, and I said, “Who is this? And who is speaking?” And the first voice said, “My name is Emmanuel, and I will be guiding you through this process.” And I thought, “Who is Emmanuel?” I didn’t even know who or what Emmanuel is. I thought maybe it sounds like maybe a Saint, you know, like, maybe it’s the passed-on ghost spirit of a Saint. The next day I Googled ‘Emmanuel,’ and it turns out it’s an angelic being. And I thought, okay, now I must be at least really losing my mind. I can’t talk to anyone about this. This is just way too out there. Like angels are talking to me. Kind of, you know, angels to me are, were, creations of myths and legends. Stories that people could hold on to in difficult times. That’s what I believed it to be. A creation, to help humans or humanity through difficult times. Right? It’s a beautiful purpose. that’s what I thought it to be. And here it is, a light being announcing itself with its name, and talking to me. Maybe angels were a real thing. But I kept silent. I didn’t talk to anyone about it. I kept it for myself. And the thing is they kept on coming back. There was a consistency that built trust, that built confidence, you know in science, things start to make sense when they’re repeatable, when they’re consistent, like, okay, something is here, something’s going on. I don’t necessarily fully understand what it is, but something is going on that is reproducible. And they said, we will make adjustments to your physical body, to your energetic body, to your emotional body, and to your mental body. And these adjustments will eventually make you a vessel through which we can work. And the work that you will do, if you choose so, is working with people, humanity, working with the individuals that have a proportionate amount of leverage and influence on society, as well as with specific places around the world that carry important, energetic signature, energetic relevance to humanity’s consciousness, sacred sites, places of importance, or places of trauma. So I said, okay, let’s explore what that looks like. So I put my entire life on pause for about a year and a half, where I was being worked on every day for multiple hours. And being worked on looked fairly intense. It was a change in diet. It was a change in exercise. It was a change in sleeping patterns. It was hours and hours of meditation and really energy surges moving through my body, and I was flapping on the ground. You know, like, I don’t know what’s going on, is this really progress? Is this what progress looks like?

>>Rick:  Am I becoming a beached whale?

>>Asil:  Exactly. And it looked a bit like I was having epileptic seizures. And I was, at times, I was really concerned as well for myself. I thought, well, what if this is some sort of mental illness that I’m trying to make sense of? And therefore I’ve created a whole story in my mind of what this mental illness is. Right? And so I went through that route a little bit. I talked to a couple people that were actually professionals, you know, psychologists and psychiatrists. And they asked me a couple of evaluating questions and they said, it doesn’t look like you are mentally ill, like there’s something happening to you, and you’re grounded. You’re still rational. You’re functional. And it doesn’t seem to be negatively impacting your life. So we can’t really help you.

>>Rick:  You must’ve done a little Googling and seen that people do have these movements when there’s some Kundalini awakening.

>>Asil:  Exactly. So I started to see parallels in Kundalini. I started to see that my body would go into specific spontaneous mudras, and I would be stuck in these mudras. And these electric surges would go through my body. I was like in catharsis in a mudra. And I thought I’d never learned mudras really, and I didn’t really know what they meant. I thought you do the mudra and then you get something, but this was more intrinsic, the mudra was doing itself. And so it kept on going until I had another, a new being that came in, and I have to tell you what it felt like when they enter my body or they connect with me, it’s like that scene in The Matrix when Neo is plugged into the matrix, and he feels the surge and suddenly it’s this really intense experience for him, and then suddenly he’s in the matrix. That’s the way it would feel like. So I was entering a different matrix, almost like I was entering a different space of consciousness. And in that space of consciousness, I would have communication with these beings that humanity has categorized as angelic or archangelic beings. They don’t call themselves angels or archangels. They just are. And they say, we’re choosing the names that humanity has given us. And in the context and frame that you come from, these are the names that you will understand. They’ve had different names in other civilizations, which is really fascinating to me. There’s like a recurring pattern of their involvement and their interventions in society. So I thought, okay, this is getting really interesting. This is getting super fascinating. And it was Raphael that connected with me about six months into this process and said, “I will continue the work and then eventually we will tell you when you are ready to serve individuals and other beings, other humans.” And that was about a year and a half in, when I started to do sessions with people where I would be embodied. And you will see that when we start to do the channeling. My body will go through an energy buildup until my vessel is ready. They will then embody, it’s almost like my body falls, like flattens down, and then suddenly it’s erected because there is this connection that happens. And then this outside consciousness is then suddenly embodying and using my arms to do what it needs to do and speaking through me. My consciousness is here, , I’m a bit further distanced, I’m observing what is happening through me. And it is a strange experience because I’m a very cerebral person and so it took me a long time to give up control over this vessel because I identified so strongly with this mind and with this body. I’m like, “Oh my God, something else is going to be using this, steering this. Who am I, am I going to get lost in the process?” and so on.

>>Rick:  Do you feel like while it’s going on if you really wanted to, you could just say, “All right. I’ve had enough,” [and] get up and do something else? You’re not completely under [outside control].

>>Asil:  Correct. So this is what in terminology, we differentiate between an embodiment and a possession. An embodiment is an agreement where the host — they call me the host — the host can say, “Okay, thank you very much, I’ve had enough.” Or, “Today I’m not going to work,” or whatever it is, I can interrupt the connection and they will leave voluntarily. A possession is different.

>>Rick:  Right. You don’t even know you’re possessed, right? You’re just gone.

>>Asil:  Yeah. Or you don’t have any control over it. You haven’t the ability to interfere or break it.

>>Rick:  Would it be safe to say that higher beings wouldn’t do a possession like that? That would be some lower being. Higher beings have more respect for your autonomy?

>>Asil:  Absolutely. So there is something that I consider the spiritual autonomy and the spiritual sovereignty of an individual human being. There is a tremendous respect. And this is one of the first laws of human existence, is the free will and autonomy of a human being. That is not violated by beings a higher consciousness. They have respect for that because it is part of the human construct.

>>Rick:  Yeah. And they have higher consciousness, which would mean that they’re serving a higher purpose, they’re serving the good, you know, they’re not some kind of nefarious character that’s just out for some kind of entertainment or some sort of lower gratification.

>>Asil:  Yeah. And I will say that in this spectrum of higher beings and really what we consider bad or evil or whatever it is, there is a spectrum, a really, really wide spectrum of fifty thousand shades of gray. So there is so much in the middle that we don’t fully understand. We try to judge it, we try to evaluate it, and this is where a lot of mystical people dwell, in the many, many shades that are between the very, very high consciousness and the very, very low consciousness.

>>Rick:  Yeah. And there’s a lesson in that. I mean, we know that certain truths are hidden and all of spirituality is about discovering something that’s ordinarily hidden, but that is not to say that all hidden things are worth discovering or contain truth or goodness.

>>Asil:  I’ll say that is to be determined. And there is a curiosity about human nature that will just drive us to look for these things, no matter what. You can tell a child not to touch the fire, but eventually, possibly, it will start, it will touch it, you know. It will get burned, and it will have to learn sometimes by personal visceral experience.

>>Rick:  Yeah. There’s a good guiding principle though, which we could say is, highest first. I mean, we have only so much time in life and there are so many things potentially to be explored. So why not, you know, put in your bucket list, start it with the things that are really worthwhile.

>>Asil:  So this journey has been taking me on an incredible ride from healings, to sacred sites, to events like mass gatherings where spiritual transformation was in the air with hundreds of thousands of people, and the transformation that I’ve been a witness to. I don’t take credit for it. Well, I take credit for the work that I’ve done to be a vessel, but the work is definitely being done by something, a much higher intelligence, which is incredibly generous, and incredibly loving, and incredibly unconditionally giving, at a time where we need support.

>>Rick:  There’s an interesting point there. In your book, I quoted the following line “Following our agreement we have returned to intervene in human evolution once more and for the last time.” And so the first part of that implies that there are some ascended masters or higher beings or whatever you want to call them that are concerned with humanity and that have our best interests in mind, and that are doing what they can to help us along.

>>Asil:  Yes.

>>Rick:  And I think a lot of traditions allude to that kind of thing. But it’s interesting to really consider it and take it seriously. And then this thing about “…once more, and for the last time.” What are they saying there? I mean, it, hasn’t this been going on for hundreds of thousands of years, perhaps.

>>Asil:  Yeah. So, okay, a couple of the things that I’m going to say now might be a little controversial and, just, everyone take it and leave what you can’t take.

>>Rick:  Take what you need and you leave the rest.

>>Asil:  The guides that I’ve been in communication with and the information that I’ve been getting, suggests that humanity was established by creation, by design, by higher consciousness. That humanity itself was an experiment of multiple cycles of multiple iterations, and we are currently the iteration that has come the furthest in its consciousness evolution.

>>Rick:  Were the other iterations here on Earth, or you mean on other planets or something? Or both?

>>Asil:  Yes. Here on Earth, and possibly on other planets as well.

>>Rick:  And so other ones maybe fizzled out or self-destructed or something, but we’ve made it a little farther than those.

>>Asil:  Correct. And we’re coming to a place of spiritual ripening, whatever that means. So the way I understand this, is this Earth is the home that we know. And we believe this is the only home that we can have. And there is the perspective that is being shared, which is Earth is a learning process, it’s a learning stage. It’s a type of school, if you want to say so, for consciousness to come to a certain level of understanding, to a certain level of realization, that’s the word that they use. And the realization that consciousness gets to is connected to the realizations that the individuals get to. So every single individual is going through a self-realization process and through that, all of human consciousness grows. And they’re saying that there is indeed something like an expiration date on humanity’s existence on this planet — which is independent of our inability to live sustainably on this planet — so that’s a separate path, right? Our self-destructive nature is due to our experimentations and our unconscious behaviors, et cetera, et cetera.

>>Rick:  So you’re saying that even if we learn to live sustainably, there will still be an expiration date?

>>Asil:  That is what I’m saying.

>>Rick:  Okay. Please elaborate.

>>Asil:  So it’s interesting. I had a long time of resistance to it and a long time of not speaking about it publicly because I don’t want to be a doomsday proponent, you know? It’s not necessarily as a scientist, what I believe in —and it was really hard for me to fully embrace until I started to get the bigger picture — the bigger picture is that we as a consciousness, there is a next step. There’s a next evolution. We’re moving from high school to university. That is a different place, that is a different form and shape of existence, a different format of learning, a different format of experiencing, and that is not in material form. So there’s non-material forms of existence that have moved from the material form to non-material forms of existence and we are in this process of moving in that direction.

>>Rick:  Yeah. But there’s always a spectrum, as you say. And even the beings that you’ve been communicating with were once humans, at least for some of their lifetimes, and yet now they don’t need to be, or they can serve a better purpose not being in human form. But even if let’s say, ten or twenty or fifty percent of humanity reaches that stage at which they no longer need to be materially embodied, wouldn’t there still be many other souls that haven’t reached that stage that would find it rather convenient to have a planet to live on in order to continue to evolve?

>>Asil:  So that’s the fascinating part about the human experience. The human experience is a combination of, there is a human consciousness itself, which is a collective consciousness, and then there is soul-containers that derive from different parts of consciousness, different parts of existence, different civilizations almost. They’re having a human experience, embodying human consciousness and the human body. In this embodiment, the soul container, the human consciousness as a collective, as well as all of consciousness is having a learning experience. It’s a win-win-win situation, right? So everyone is evolving through this human experience.

>>Rick:  Individually and collectively.

>>Asil:  Correct. Individually and collectively. So once this iteration of human consciousness finalizes, there will be other iterations of either humanoid type or of a different type, where soul containers can still have an experience, an embodied experience, a material experience, so the evolution will continue.

>>Rick:  Right. So here’s a quote from your book that relates to that container thing. “Beyond all those parts of yourself that you can observe, feel, and understand, there is a part of you that is beyond comprehension. That is the majority of your being.” So in other words, what we think we are is just one tiny little tip, like a fingertip of a much greater body.

>>Asil:  I think the Dalai Lama did a quote about that! “What you perceive about yourself is the size of your small pinky.”

>>Rick:  Yeah, that’s very true. But I’m still uncertain what you’re saying here, so let’s try to nail it down. So are you saying that if visitors from outer space were to come to our planet in two hundred years or something, they would find the whole place deserted, they wouldn’t find any physical life here anymore, and that everyone, all the souls here now would have moved on to some other realm?

>>Asil:  Yes and no. Let me clarify. This current iteration of human existence required a certain type of ecosystem to be in place to provide the human experience to flourish and to have the human body, as well as the nature that we need in order to have everything that we need provided for us. The perfect conditions. It’s almost like — unimaginable. “It’s random” — that’s also what a lot of scientists say. It’s like… it’s too good to be true.

>>Rick:  I don’t know if it’s random, but then we’ll leave that point, but I think there’s an intelligence running the universe that doesn’t do anything randomly but go on.

>>Asil:  So thank you for that. So, there’s that part where these conditions were established for a specific moment in time, for a specific period in time for human consciousness to come to some level of ripening so it can move to another plane of existence. Now, what will happen to Earth afterwards? Earth will become home to a new form of consciousness. An entire new ecosystem will develop itself and a new consciousness will develop from that. That is the perspective that is shared with me. Now, how much does it matter, and how much of it is information for entertainment? I don’t know.

>>Rick:  All right. Well, let me press you a little bit more. I mean, we’re in the “sixth mass extinction” they say, there’ve been five others. I think the previous one was the “Permian Mass Extinction.” And I saw an article, just yesterday I think, that said that the methane release in the Arctic is now accelerating so fast that some scientists feel there may be no significant life forms left on Earth within half a decade, because methane is eighty times more potent than CO, and there’s just going to be so much of it that the Earth will … I mean if the Earth were heated six degrees we’re all toast. So are you sort of saying that maybe we’re in for some kind of mass extinction like that and that over a long lapse of time everything will regrow, and the planet will become hospitable again for a new proliferation of life?

>>Asil:  If I were to answer this in a short way, I would say, yes, that is what I’m being shared. Now, is this dire, or depressing? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Like if I look at it from, yes, I love this Earth, and I love this human experience, and we all love it and all the things that it provides for us, will it be forever? No, it will not be forever because nothing is really forever, so far as we have seen. So there will be some sort of completion. Completion of this human material experience. And after that completion, the Earth will provide, to be the home for a new form of consciousness that can go through a similar experience as we have.

>>Rick:  Well, as Woody Allen said, “I don’t mind dying. I just don’t want to be there when it happens.”

>>Asil:  Well, he will be there when he dies.

>>Rick:  Yeah. So, I mean, have they given you any kind of timeline?

>>Asil:  Between fifty to a hundred years. So some of us will probably be there.

>>Rick:  Yeah. All right. Well…

>>Asil:  It’s really hard to imagine, considering what has transpired this year, that we couldn’t have even imagined in our wildest dreams. What is possible within five, ten, fifteen, twenty years?

>>Rick:  Oh yeah. Yeah. You can never, I mean, back in the nineties, there was hardly any internet. It was just this real fledgling thing and look at how it’s changed the world.

>>Asil:  Yeah. Totally. We are an ever-changing in incredibly fast-paced change that we’re experiencing. So what I’m being, what I’m being shared with is that now the evolution of our consciousness is even more important than ever. The evolution as individuals, the spiritual evolution, but in a now more, maybe more understandable way, the self-realization of the individual is more important than ever.

>>Rick:  Here’s a quote from your book. You say, “You will see that the journey to self-realization will be accelerated almost to the detriment of those who are not yet on this journey. It will be difficult for those to experience the higher levels of energies coming through this plane. When utilized correctly, it can lift you up towards the self-realization point. When resisted, it will bring pain and potentially suffering.”

>>Asil:  Yeah. That’s a really good quote. It’s like, if there is a lot of fuel, let’s say everything that is energy is a form of fuel, right? If we learn and understand to ride these waves of energy that can uplift us, then we are propelled to higher states of consciousness. If we resist it then the energy becomes almost like you’re resisting a big wave that’s coming. You can’t resist the wave, ask any surfer. Right?

>>Rick:  Yeah. I was just thinking of surfing, you know, and if I go to the beach in Hawaii and I see thirty-foot waves, I’m going to say, “Uh, I’m not going in the water.” But a skilled surfer will say, “Oh, this is a great day. I’m going out there.”

>>Asil:  Exactly. But you’ll also see how they interact and how they relate to the waves because they have learned to ride them, to go underneath them. It’s also about timing, they’re utilizing the energy of the wave to ride the wave.

>>Rick:  Yeah. So what you’re saying is that there’s an evolutionary wave sweeping the planet, and that we can ride it if we want to, and perhaps you can elaborate. I mean, obviously all the different types of spiritual practices that one can do, and putting one’s attention on this kind of stuff, those are ways of riding it. Why don’t you elaborate on that, and also elaborate a little bit on how it is one would resist riding it, and the consequences that might accrue from that.

>>Asil:  When this year the pandemic started, a lot of our existing comforts were taken away, or are being taken away. What we used to rely on to feel safe, is potentially no longer there, or is being reduced. When our environment changes, our comforts are being taken away, there’s something that comes up, it’s a survivalistic need. Right? So how do we deal with challenges that are indeed threatening our comfort, are threatening our survival? How are we present in the moment of the challenge? How do we react as a human being? Do we take it? Do we observe it? Do we learn from it? Are we present? Fully present, with what is in front of us? Or are we resisting, running, screaming, breaking things, or blaming other people? How do we deal with this? Because the challenge is just the challenge. Right? And so what the guides that I work with, they’re saying is, you will learn to ride the waves by facing the challenges with a deeper sense of presence, and a deeper sense of peace. And that deeper sense of peace comes from inside. No one can give it to you from outside. And that to me has been the biggest one to embody as well as to deliver. Right? Let’s work on what is inside of you that is not holding you in a place of peace, where you can face any challenge that is coming your way. If it’s a pandemic today, if it’s an earthquake tomorrow, if it’s a fire the other day.

>>Rick:  Yeah. One other point to throw in here is that my feeling is that, [and] I don’t know if it coincided perfectly with the arrival of the pandemic, but maybe it did, is that, it was as if a rheostat was being turned up in terms of the amount of voltage or the amount of energy in the field. And I noticed I started dreaming much more vividly and meditations became kind of more profound, and also it was something I [and] many people have felt was going to happen for decades. We’ve been thinking that something like this might come, so I’m just using myself as a case in point. Many, many people listening to this can probably agree that it wasn’t a big surprise, and it almost was like, “Oh boy. Finally, this thing is starting to happen.”

>>Asil:  And it’s kind of an opportunity. Now obviously there are lots of disruptions to various lifestyles. Mine didn’t change much just because of the way I live my life, but it can be very disruptive for many people with jobs in jeopardy and kids unable to go to school and all that. I don’t mean to trivialize that, but there’s definitely something happening in terms of world consciousness or collective consciousness that is exciting if you sort of see it in the right perspective. And as a great opportunity for advancement. I’m sorry to talk so long, but I just want to get that thought out. I absolutely agree with you. And we’ve faced different forms of challenges as the human society, and as individuals, continuously we face challenges. That’s almost like it’s part of the human experience. Without the challenge, there is very little growth, and in nature, everything is being challenged, right? Life in nature is continuously being challenged, which pushes for evolution. It pushes for growth. And here is where the message is, is rather than suffering in front of the challenge, learn to evolve, learn to be present to what is happening.

>>Rick:  Yeah. I think we can’t emphasize that point too often, too many times. I wonder if people listening to this have a question about this. I’d be interested in hearing what people are thinking. Do you do concur with what we’re saying? Can you relate to it, or do you feel like we’re being a little bit insensitive to people’s circumstances? Have you had experiences in your own lives that kind of help to verify what we’re saying in terms of the quickening of your evolution? It would be interesting to hear what people might say. Okay. So I have a lot of points in front of me that we can go into, but is there anything on your mind right now that you feel like would be a good segue that we should shift into in our discussion?

>>Asil:  I think we can just continue with your points.

>>Rick:  Okay, good.

>>Asil:  I’m enjoying this. Thanks, Rick.

>>Rick:  Yeah, me too. Thank you. So we understand pretty much what you do in terms of — towards the end of this interview, we’re going to have you do a channeling thing, and just kind of demonstrate it. And before we do that, you can tell us whether you want people to ask questions or how it’s going to work. All right. So one major phase of your activity, and feel free to explain other phases, but you go around to different sacred sites in the world, and you serve as some kind of a catalyst or something at those sacred sites. And you have YouTube videos on your channel of yourself going to Jerusalem, or Turkey, or it looks like Thailand or something. So explain how that works and what the guides task you with doing, what they ask you to do in that regard.

>>Asil:  So there are certain places around the world that are almost like ‘nodes,’ or ‘acupuncture points’ of the world. If we would consider that the Earth is a living organism, has its own energy lines, almost like veins of energy that are moving through the Earth, [and] at some places these energy lines cross and these nodes are very potent places. Humanity has recognized that and has built sacred places, temples and churches, and mosques on top of these spots. And they serve almost like pillars that hold a certain energy, that hold a certain frequency in that region. Now, some of these places are very well known to humanity, like the sacred sites places of pilgrimage, and places where important spiritual events have happened. And other places are known to humanity as places where big trauma has happened.

>>Rick:  You mean like Auschwitz or someplace like that?

>>Asil:  Exactly. Exactly. Like war zones or concentration camps and things like that. And sometimes when trauma happens, the energy that is released that doesn’t necessarily automatically or easily move. It requires time to digest and to be processed. It requires sometimes an acupuncturist to do its work, to move that energy. And it seems that the guides that I work with can do that work through me when I’m at these places. So they will tell me, we need you to go to specific places around the world, and we will tell you which specific sites in these countries you need to go to. So last year I spent most of my time traveling in the Middle East. And so I went to some of the most sacred places in the Middle East, sacred to humanity or sacred to the locals that are living there, as well as to places where I inquired [as to] what was a disruption of energy, a disruption of the field. And those are places where tragedies happened and where a lot of people died, or where there was chaos and destruction, and that destructive energy hadn’t fully cleared. And it seems like that’s an important part of our collective evolution, to take care of these places.

>>Rick:  I had a teacher who used to say that prisons were very tough knots of stress, like that, in the collective consciousness and here in the US we have over two million people incarcerated. And if you’ve ever gone into a prison, the feeling in there is a really intense, heavy feeling.

>>Asil:  It’s interesting you bring that up. I have been imprisoned in the Middle East because of the work that I do.

>>Rick:  You mean you were thrown in prison yourself?

>>Asil:  Yes. And it was at the end of last year, and it was quite a traumatic experience. Here am I thinking I’m doing good work, helping humanity and some people don’t think that way. They think I’m some sorcerer, doing some evil work and it was perceived to be a threat, and I was perceived to be a threat to society and its values, or their values particularly. And I was lucky to get out within ten days, but it’s a timeframe that could have been years.

>>Rick:  Well, two questions. One is, do you feel that as you went to these sacred sites you made a significant difference, and how did you perceive or measure that difference? I’ll just ask that first. And then I have another question after that.

>>Asil:  So I perceive that when I go to some of these places, there is a shift in energy that happens once the work is complete. And the work that happens in those places is almost like a realignment. It’s almost like a cleansing. It’s almost like a reconnection to other places in the world, as well as to higher dimensions, it’s almost like, “Oh, we are reactivating this place. It’s been dormant for too long. It was once active and people took care of it, but now it wasn’t anymore. And now it needs to be reactivated.” And I do feel the shift in the energy when I’m at these places. Sometimes there’s even — maybe coincidental, but too many times too coincidental — there’s interesting weather phenomena that happened when the work completes that would be torrential rain or even hail. There could be interesting political events that happen once I leave, like shortly after I leave, and it could be just divine timing, but it could be related to the work that I do. I’m not a hundred percent sure. The people that come with me to some of these sacred sites, they also feel deeply tuned in to what is happening there, and they could feel when we start the work that potentially there is a heaviness about the place, a heaviness that is visceral, that can be described and felt. And once we finish it there is more lightness to the place that they can also feel. And that’s when we feel complete, and we move on to the next place. Continuous one thing after another thing. And at times, I think I mentioned to you earlier, I did eleven countries last year with a hundred and forty sacred sites. And there was a lot of places to be visited. What the guides say, is when this work is done, that entire region gets almost an uplift in its frequency, an uplift that provides the fertile soil for spiritual transformation. Now, the individuals that are receiving the benefit, they don’t really have to know what is causing the benefit itself, but there is a benefit to it when people go to a mass grave or a place of genocide to clear those energies. It is a work and task that used to be a lot more valued in the past, and that there is a handful of people that are still doing this.

>>Rick:  Yeah, that’s interesting. I’ve interviewed a couple of people who do that kind of thing. Cynthia Jurs, I don’t know if you know her, but she was given this task by these Tibetan masters of taking these sacred jars and kind of doing all kinds of blessings on them and stuff and then burying them in certain sacred sites around the world, and she’s been doing that. And another fellow, I forget his name. What’s that guy’s name? Who…nah, it will come to me. Maybe Dan can look it up. It’s that fellow who works between Germany and Israel to minimize tensions in the collective consciousness. I’ve interviewed him a couple of times. But there are a number of people who sort of recognize this principle of collective consciousness being like a sponge of some kind that soaks up stress or tension, and that it has to be relieved. Otherwise, the whole [of] humanity is dragged down. And also, I think we could say that if this, well, let’s switch metaphors to clouds with static electricity, and then if it builds up to a sufficient degree, then lightning strikes out. And correspondingly if the stress in collective consciousness becomes sufficiently saturated, wars can break out, and other extreme things that are much less a humane way of resolving that stress than the kind of thing you’re doing, obviously, which is to just really dissolve it from a deep level.

>>Asil:  I think no one has ever described it as well as you just did.

>>Rick:  I’m sure they have. I stand on the shoulders of giants. But another thought that came to me as you were speaking was, again, this is sort of related, but think how much stress there is in prisons for instance. We use that example, or in the inner cities of someplace, or in countries that are like Syria, where they’re going through all this terrible strife, and you go into an atmosphere like that, and it hits you like a ton of bricks. You can just really feel it. And, you know, one could despair of being able to make a significant difference in that, just because it’s so big, it’s so heavy, and who are you know, little old us to actually make a big difference. But what you’re doing I believe, is like, well, I mentioned, referred to you as a catalyst. A catalyst is something that, it’s a small thing that changes the chemical reaction without it’s – you could probably explain it better, you’re the scientist. But it can make a big difference. It’s like it has a leverage on the outcome of a chemical reaction. And so if you can work at a deeper level, you can have influences at all the more superficial levels, much more effectively than if you try to work at the superficial levels.

>>Asil:  Yes. And both access points are valid, on a superficial level, as well as on the deeper levels. Which is I believe, why the guides want me to do both, working on individuals directly, as well as on the land. So different access points. What’s interesting is you mentioned Syria. I went last year to Syria, as well as to Iraq. And it’s very difficult to get into a war zone if you’re a civilian, an active war, you know, a still-active place. And I went there, and I did meet with some healers as well as people that have been consciously choosing to stay in those places to provide a certain level of light, to provide hope, to provide healing. And when I arrived and they found out about the fact that I was there to help, to support, they traveled for hours and hours through a war-torn country to see me and to receive support. It was the most touching thing I’ve ever experienced, being in a country where individuals have consciously chosen to stay because they knew they were needed there more than ever.

>>Rick:  Yeah. I did a kind of a similar thing back in the seventies. I was in the TM transcendental meditation movement, and we had this project where we went to the most trouble-ridden places in the world. I spent three months in Iran, meditating most of the day in a large group of people. And other groups went to the Middle East, and South Africa, where the apartheid situation was really intense, and Central America and Nicaragua [where] things were stirring up. And, you know, some sociologists did a lot of research on various measurable trends, such as war deaths and crime rate and other things and economic indicators. And they did find that there was a correlation between our presence there and these indicators.

>>Asil:  I’m familiar with that study. It’s incredible to see that that’s possible and it’s measurable and it does have an impact on people that live there.

>>Rick:  Incidentally, the person whose name I was trying to remember a few minutes ago, Thomas Hübl, he does this thing. Slipping my mind. And what you said just now, about you’re not only working on the specific sacred sites and the different physical geographic spots, but you also work on individuals, and obviously that is just as important if not more so, because these individuals are, all of us are like nodes in a big network and each little node is having a ripple effect throughout the entire network. So you have to enliven as many nodes as possible, too.

>>Asil:  That’s exactly right. And initially, I thought, well, what can a single person like me do in this grand world of billions of people, and how long is it going to take for me to complete that work? How is that going to work? And eventually, the guides started to share that more people, more individuals will have to be developed to become pillars of light. That’s literally the term that they used. “Pillars of light.” And they’ve delivered a form of training course to get people through the processes that I have gone through. Not exactly the same thing, because not everyone has to do what I’m doing, but to get them to a place where they become pillars of light, and whatever they choose to do is delivered with a particular energy, is delivered with a particular frequency in the light.

>>Rick:  There’s a couple of principles that are interesting here. One is, in the heart, one percent of the cells are called pacemaker cells, and they have to fire coherently. And when they do so, the other ninety-nine percent of the cells entrain with them and the whole heart beats with a proper rhythm. And in a laser, the square root of one percent of the photons in the laser have to align with one another coherently. And when they do, the rest of the photons entrain with them, and you get one coherent beam of light. A laser. So this obviously has a relevance to what we’re talking about with individuals and the rest of humanity.

>>Asil:  Absolutely. I do see an incredible ripple effect. I do see a multiplier effect through impacting one individual that is touching many other individuals, as well as the way it is unconsciously delivered, the way you just mentioned. Like, “Oh, you are doing the work, but it has a lot more effect than we can fathom, we can measure. We can’t fully understand, but there is an effect, right?” The way you have described the transcendental meditations.

>>Rick:  Well like you were saying in quoting the Dalai Lama, “What we know of ourselves is just the tip of our pinkie.” There’s so much more and by doing this deeper work, it’s that so much more that is actually fanning out and permeating the collective consciousness and creating a shift at a deep level.

>>Asil:  Yeah, absolutely.

>>Rick:  Irene says I’m talking too much.

>>Asil:  I like you talking, Rick. Irene  That’s your job. One of them.

>>Rick:  One of them. All right. I think we’ve covered that point pretty well. So let’s cover some of the, kind of more human stuff. I mean, people are concerned about health, both mental and physical, and facing various challenges and difficulties in life and relationships and that kind of stuff. And so I know that a large portion of your book is dedicated to addressing those concerns, and it consists primarily of transcripts of actual channeled sessions that you’ve done on various topics, usually in response to questions people have asked. But what comes to mind when I mention those topics, what would you like to tell people about some of those things?

>>Asil:  I’d say that we are in this human experience and we have various forms of misalignments. And I find perfection in the imperfection of the human experience. So there is some beauty to it. And if we dedicate ourselves to finding more alignment in our mental constructs, finding more alignment in our emotional, as well as our physical constructs, then we’re able to reach even higher states of consciousness. We’re able to reach altered states of consciousness where we can tap into the innate power of this human form, and a deeper connection to Earth. So in both directions, right? And as we are more aligned, we can receive more. And the energy that flows between, let’s say the universe through the Earth, can flow through us, because we are conduits in the midst of that, right? So the more we are aligned, the better that energy flows, and that increases our quality of life, that increases our peace within, that increases our presence within. And that allows for self-healing capabilities to arise, and that allows for better relationships, and that allows for better conscious decisions to be made.

>>Rick:  Yeah. That’s a good answer. Before we started, I asked you if you were married and you said, no, but you were just sort of coming out of a relationship and that the breakup has been kind of difficult for you. And you said I could ask you about this.

>>Asil:  Sure.

>>Rick:  People might wonder, well, gee, if this guy is having such profound experiences and he’s talking to the ascended masters and all if he can’t manage to get a relationship right, what hope is there for the rest of us?

>>Asil:  Oh my gosh. Um, let’s see.

>>Rick:  And I should let you off the hook a little bit in saying that maybe not all relationships are meant to last, just as not all relationships with a guru are meant to last. Some gurus are like transitional teachers, and we might move on to a different one and then we’ve learned what we need to learn with this one. And maybe now it’s time to learn something new with somebody else.

>>Asil:  Thank you for that. Thank you. It’s really interesting, in this human experience we do a lot of things in order to develop, in order to grow. So it could be like we grow our mental capacity, or we grow our physical body by exercising and some individuals have done a lot of relational work in order to grow the emotional capacity. And in my personal journey, I’ve done a lot of the spiritual work. I’ve done a lot of the mental work and the emotional part has been a bit, let’s say lagging behind, right? So in this relationship, I’ve discovered in all the ways that I had parts of me that weren’t fully taken care of yet. I think a relationship is an incredibly strong mirror to look at those parts within, and you may have the most perfect and the most amazing partner, and most likely that partner is the one that triggers you the most. That just gets to the places that are still slightly out of alignment. Right? And so this has been a bit of my journey, where I thought, okay, spiritual development alone cannot be done in a silo, it cannot be done in isolation. There is a holistic way of growth that we, as a human being have to go through, that includes the human heart, that includes the emotional heart, and that is — How do I relate to myself? How do I relate to others? And in which ways have I carried the wounds of many, many generations before me into this very moment? And how do I carry, to some degree, a responsibility to transform the wounds of the many generations before me? Right? So that is a bit like the journey that I’ve been going through. LIke, “What am I resisting in this relationship, and where do I need to take responsibility? And where can I learn? Where can I grow?” And as you said, some relationships are meant to last for a period of time or to bring a specific knowledge to us, a specific piece of wisdom and then we continue.

>>Rick:  Yeah. And that of course is not to say that as soon as the going gets rough, that one should say, “All right, well, this one isn’t meant to last. I’m moving on,” because then you become the dilettante. You know, you never go deep. You’re just always hopping from one thing to another chasing the, chasing the romance phase, and the rush of that.

>>Asil:  That’s really fascinating because a couple of times in this relationship particularly, I have tried to, I was like, okay, I’m done. This is just, this is too much, I have more important things to do, you know, more important things. And I’ll just do something else. And luckily, I’m very lucky that I have the guides, and in that sense, and they would say, “No, you’re not finished yet with this relationship. You have to go deeper in. There is an important learning for you to get, and you can only get this in the full surrender to another human being, in the full surrendering of your heart, not even to them,” which is really interesting because they say there is a specific design between two human beings that is almost greater, greater than our connection to the universe.

>>Rick:  Interesting. Did they elaborate on that point?

>>Asil:  There is a part that we can truly only fully explore and learn from, in relationship to another human being. A type of love that will be displayed in this human experience with another human being. And it cannot be replaced or compensated by a spiritual connection that we have.

>>Rick:  Yeah. I think that’s true. I mean, just as your spiritual connection isn’t going to take the place of food or exercise or anything else. There are certain things you can only get through the human experience. One point that I often mentioned in interviews is that I’m always very reluctant to use the word enlightenment because it has this sort of static, superlative connotation. But if I were to use it at all, I would want to reserve it for a state which was very holistically developed. In other words, not that you had this super consciousness, but you were sort of a schmuck in terms of your behavior, but rather that consciousness fully developed, senses fully refined, emotions fully blossomed. Just sort of ethical behavior, very ethically clean, just all the various facets of intellect, very sharp, just all the different facets of our being fully enriched. And I think that that term if we’re going to use it at all, ought to be reserved for a state like that, which is very rare compared with just this awakening or that awakening that people say they have.

>>Asil:  It’s very well said. I do truly believe in the holistic way of being. And I also believe in the level and the depth of presence that one can display in the moment. Right? In whichever way I’m not present, there is still a bit of work to do.

>>Rick:  Absolutely. Yeah.

>>Asil:  There is still a bit more alignment to do.

>>Rick:  Yeah. And if you’re still breathing, chances are there’s still work to do.

>>Asil:  I agree.

>>Rick:  We’re all works in progress. One thought that occurred to me as you were speaking a minute ago is that I bet you that just about everybody is channeling some guide at times, but most people don’t realize it. I feel that way in my own life. I don’t have any conscious communication with guides the way you do, but I often feel guided, and I feel like it’s bigger than my intelligence that’s nudging me this way and that. And I have friends who claim to be able to see these subtle guides and all, just hovering around people, sort of influencing them in some way. So I don’t know. You want to comment on that point.

>>Asil:  So in this term of “trance channeling,” there are a lot of ways we can channel intelligence that’s beyond the conscious aware mind. And one of the first steps is actually channeling one’s own intuition. Channeling one’s innate higher self. Channeling maybe an innate intelligence or guidance of the universe, or of the Earth, right? There’s multiple layers of non-material consciousness that we can actually channel more into our being existence. That doesn’t have to be a guide and guides that we work with, speak with, just the way I do, but there is multiple different ways of doing that. And they’re all equally powerful, and equally valid. So, that’s why say I say I have a specific role to play, but not everyone is going to have to play that role. There’s many ways of guidance.

>>Rick:  You know, another point that would be good to bring in is that if we look at Vedanta and some of the more ultimate teachings of spirituality, they say that we are the totality, we are Brahman, that’s what we are. And so we are the vast wholeness that contains everything, and therefore contains universes, and therefore contains guides and archangels and whomsoever they may be. And so in a sense, you’re not interacting with something external to yourself. In the highest sense, this whole everything that everybody experiences, you included, with your channeling procedure, is something that’s happening within yourself. Self with a capital ‘S.’

>>Asil:  It’s well said. And I can totally see that perspective. I don’t know how much of a difference it makes in the work that I do. It may be that the work that I do will change and will transform. And I can see that there is a greater intelligence that could very well be part of who I am and what I am. There’s one thing that the guides have shared, which is that we are all part of the same fabric, which they consider to be “grand consciousness.” And grand consciousness itself does not carry consciousness. It’s the dissolution of consciousness.

>>Rick:  I’m not sure what you mean by that.

>>Asil:  In the sense of, that grand consciousness itself is not aware of its own existence. It’s dissolution of existence. It is the dissolution of self-awareness. You’re able to be holding all of consciousness, including our specialized human experience and the angels and the archangels and so on.

>>Rick:  So to become aware of its own existence, it needs to diversify. Right?

>>Asil:  Correct. Exactly.

>>Rick:  And so we are ‘it,’ being aware of its own existence?

>>Asil:  Exactly. That’s exactly right.

>>Rick:  Yeah. In fact, some people sort of go through this cosmology of how the universe emerges in the first place, that the sort of primordial field of being is consciousness, but it’s not conscious, but then it becomes conscious and then the only thing for it to be conscious of is itself because it’s the only thing down there. And so then when it becomes conscious of itself, then this sort of whole diversity begins to spring up and get more and more and more elaborate and the whole universe unfolds. It’s interesting.

>>Asil:  Yeah. Yeah. It’s really a fascinating place to be going to and it becomes harder and harder to put into words the further out you go, as you know. It becomes incomprehensible, inexpressible, and language almost doesn’t do it justice.

>>Rick:  Yeah, that’s true, but it’s fun to play around with.

>>Asil:  It totally is fun to play around

>>Rick:  And kind of stretches you to try.

>>Asil:  I love people to have personal, direct, spiritual experiences.

>>Rick:  Yeah. I mean, that’s what it’s ultimately all about. You can starve to death reading a restaurant menu. You have to eat the food.

>>Asil:  Well said.

>>Rick:  Here’s a question that came in from Dan in London. We were sort of a little apocalyptic earlier in our conversation like we’re all gonna be leaving this planet, and Dan asks, “Will spiritual truths ever be known and accepted in the mainstream, by the majority of people on the planet? Will this ever happen while we are still here?”

>>Asil:  I think it will inevitably be happening. The reason I say that is, if we are challenged strong enough, we will look for answers in places that we haven’t looked before. We will try to consider other perspectives. We will try to consider the totality of humanity’s perspectives, not just a single direction that we have been following. And that will include the spiritual perspective as an important element of making sense of what we are experiencing, of making sense of our reality. So I do perceive that part of what Dan is asking about will come.

>>Rick:  Yeah, it’s a good point. As long as you think you have it all figured out, you don’t look for answers, but you know, when the things you think you knew fall short of satisfactory, when they just don’t provide the solutions you’d hope for, then you have to dig deeper. And I think we’re experiencing that in a collective way right now.

>>Asil:  Absolutely.

>>Rick:  Yeah. So you wanted to do a kind of a channeling thing during this interview, and I don’t know exactly how you’re going to do that, but let’s do it. One thing to note, if people haven’t seen you do this before is that you do a lot of mudras and movements and stuff while you’re doing it. And so just so people understand, maybe you should explain exactly what you’re going to do and what people will see.

>>Asil:  I can. So basically, in the beginning, there is some shaking in my body that happens to convulsions in my lower belly. And there are some important energy centers that are basically building up energy, it’s almost like an engine that’s starting. I’m not having an epileptic seizure. It’s just the warmup of my body, building up, building up, building up for this energy to circulate in my system. My body will just make these almost circular movements and eventually, the energy will build up enough and strong enough for the embodiment to happen. It’s almost like they require my vessel to be in a certain state before they embody. Right? It’s like the race car driver will only get in the car if it’s perfectly warmed up and if it’s perfectly maintained and so on. So in some ways, I perceive myself like a race car, as odd as it sounds. So I have to do a lot for maintenance, I have to do a lot for warmup and so on and so forth. And when it’s well-tuned, it’ll go very well. And that’s what I’ve been witnessing. So there is some shaking, there is some mudras, and eventually, my body will sink down, and then it will be coming back up. That’s when the embodiment has happened, and that’s when the embodied being will speak.

>>Rick:  Good. All right. So you don’t need any questions or anything. You’ll just come out with whatever you come out with.

>>Asil:  Yeah. Let’s do that. And at times, sometimes, they will offer for questions. So if you have something that you’d like to know…

>>Rick:  Maybe I’ll have something based on what you say. Otherwise, maybe people will send in a question, but if they’re going to send in a question, they should send it in quickly, because otherwise, if there’s a big delay, you might be finished by the time we get their question.

>>Asil:  Yeah, possibly. Or you’ll just come up with whatever comes to you. Right? So I’ll say also that this spoken channeling is one part of it. The other part is — which we’re not going to do here today but that we do in my transmissions on a regular basis — is an energetic transfer. It’s an alignment that they provide for the mental, the emotional, the physical, as well as the energetic body. And that is delivered to, sometimes hundreds or thousands of people at a time, when this work is being done.

>>Rick:  Do you do those online as well as in person?

>>Asil:  In person, not so much anymore lately. We used to. Now everything has moved online, and it is, according to the reports, as effective as the in-person sessions. And it allows people to do it from their meditation room, right? The comfort of their meditation rooms. So we’ll do the spoken channeling part, but even in that place, people will feel some sort of energetic shift, or at least I invite you to observe if that is arising for you.

>>Rick:  Should people keep their eyes open, close their eyes, or what?

>>Asil:  Whichever you like. For some people, it is easier to go into a meditative state when they close their eyes. And for some people, it is more interesting to watch. Which I can totally relate to. Emmanuel  Greetings. My name is Emmanuel. If you have come to this gathering, you seek answers that are within you. Your existence in human form has separated you from all of existence for a moment, to have this temporary experience, to witness separation, to witness individuality, to witness the spectrum of human experience, the spectrum of this material reality, the spectrum of emotions individualized through you. In your human experience, you become the extension of the human collective An experiment conducted through you. Learnings derived through your experiences. Realizations driven by your search for truth. The separation and reconnection to all of existence will happen in continuous cycles. The immediate cycle that you experience is the entirety of a lifetime. Bigger cycles are the creation of entire forms of consciousness and the dissolution and integration of this formed consciousness into other levels, other forms of consciousness of greater kind. All of consciousness lives and exists within what we consider the grand consciousness of existence. You are part of this, and your existence in itself is unique. Your experience in this totality of existence is unique. Your learnings and realizations are unique. Therefore, all of your experiences are valid and true. Your perspectives, your judgments, and your emotions are equally valid and true. Your unique perspective cannot be recreated. It is momentary only through you. Yet in this formulation of your perspective, in this formulation of your reality, you learn, you grow, and you evolve, as well as all of human consciousness does. Everything that you perceive, everything that you realize, returns to the collective, and it becomes your service to the collective. It becomes your service to your self. Your dedication for growth, your request for answers, your continuous search and innate desire to self-realize is intrinsic to you, intrinsic to the human experience. And in this growth process, you move closer to self-realization, one of the primary objectives in the human experience. The self-realization of the individual, your journey, unique to you yet innately driving your evolution, innately driving the evolution and expansion of consciousness. Thank you for choosing to be on this journey. Thank you for receiving the support that is provided to you by other human beings, by other beings of non-material kind, by forms of consciousness that are in support of your existence, creative, as well as destructive forces, all of which serve this existence that you’re currently in. Learn from everything that is within your reality. Even the experiences that you judge to be difficult, to be bad, to be challenging to your core, are experiences to be cherished, are experiences to learn from. The beauty of human experience, the beauty of the human form is a gift to you. It is a gift to your soul, that has chosen the human experience as a valid form of learning, growth, and evolution. While the human collective will learn, your soul will learn as well, in the process of your human experience. Thank you for listening to my words. I will now answer some of your questions.

>>Rick:  There’s a machine operating outside, so we’re going to hear a little background noise. First, an individual question from Risa in Portland, Oregon. She asks, “I’m wondering what the guides counsel, in terms of health. I have been having a challenge for several months and have tried various practitioners. Now I am focusing on meditation and prayer for guidance.” Emmanuel  In the human form, every single human being will experience misalignments of sorts. These misalignments are part of the journey of learning to understand this vessel that you have been gifted. Some of these misalignments are part of the experiments of evolution conducted through each individual, every new being that is entering this plane. These misalignments of the physical form have answers. To be realigned some of the answers are within your conscious awareness as a human collective. Some of these answers can be delivered in support of realignment and healing. Some of the answers require deeper contemplation, deeper reflection, and an alignment of the other parts of your being. The mental, the emotional, as well as the energetic body have an immediate and direct impact on the physical manifestation of your form. Healing, therefore, happens on multiple layers of your existence. A holistic approach is therefore more likely to bring the answers that you seek for the alignment that is required.

>>Emmanuel: It is not “either/or,” but it is all of the approaches that are provided to you. A combination, a complimentary experience to feed and to provide everything that this vessel of yours requires, desires, and innately knows to need. In moments of silence of your mind and of your heart, you will hear the innate needs of this body, you will hear the innate needs of the heart, and of this energetic spiritual construct that is within you. And you will follow that which arises within you. Put aside the doubts and the fears, the worries, and the concerns that you hold about the directions that are provided to you. Embrace and try. Let the methods that you try impact you fully and receive as you deserve to receive. Thank you for your question. What else can I answer for you?

>>Rick:  This is from me. You spoke of the individual and the collective, and I get the sense you’re saying that the individual is like a sense-organ of the collective, like a sense-organ of the infinite. Saint Teresa of Avila said that it appears that God himself is on the journey. And a friend of mine, Tim Friedkin, the UK, is always saying these days that God is growing, or God is evolving and that’s what the universe is, is the entirety of God becoming more than he was at the outset of creation. So, I know it’s a bit of a philosophical question, but I’m wondering if you concur with those perspectives and that we are just participants in the evolution of God himself, in this whole process of creation?

>>Emmanuel: You are indeed the participant, and yet you’re also the centerpiece of this evolution, of this experience of realization. Your realization truly carries the highest priority, the highest importance to the realization of the collective. The collective cannot realize without you; therefore you are more than just a participant. You are the one to drive the realization of the collective. You are the one that truly can make the difference. While not every single individual requires to realize, as many individuals that seek this journey and follow the self-realization path, the entire human collective will be impacted in a way that all individuals will receive the benefit of the realizations of everyone. As a soul container that has chosen the human experience, your soul as well improves and evolves in the human experience that you have chosen to have. Through the evolution and the realization of the human collective, all forms of consciousness evolve. Evolution on an individual level has a ripple effect and a connected nature to all of consciousness. You are the representation of all of consciousness in this very moment. Thank you for your question.

>>Rick:  Asil mentioned earlier in this conversation that humanity’s days seem to be numbered. That maybe in fifty or a hundred years there won’t be human life on this planet anymore. And some scientists would concur with that — climatologists in particular. And I always think a lot about the world as a whole and humanity as a whole and feel a concern for it and try to do what I can to contribute to its betterment. I’m wondering if what Asil said is a done deal? If that’s really the way it has to go, or whether there’s some wiggle room, and if we play our cards right as a species, human life won’t be exterminated from the planet.

>>Emmanuel: Life on this planet has a timeline. The existence on this plane has a time for completion. A cycle that requires to be completed cannot be avoided. Yet the process for evolution will continue in this form as well as other forms after the completion of this human form. The learnings until the completion of this human experience are still valid and important. Your realizations, your awakening to understanding, the part and responsibility that you play in conjunction and in collaboration with this planet, with the ecosystem, the connection, the love, and the compassion with other human beings, are a still a relevant aspect of your evolution. All efforts towards a balanced, harmonious, peaceful life within yourself and with this planet, with all beings alive on this plane, are efforts worthwhile and critical for the evolution of your consciousness. The survival of the species is an important driving force that is innately embedded within your existence — yet it is not the outcome of the highest benefit. The benefit itself will be the evolution and the maturation of your consciousness, the continuation of your existence. Even if it is perceived as unknown and uncertain at this point for you, you will find comfort in knowing and understanding that you as an individualized consciousness will continue to exist and new opportunities, new forms of experiences will be opened up for you. New opportunities to learn, other forms of connection, other forms of interaction, and relation will be formed in this new form of existence beyond this material form that you have inhabited for many generations. It will have served and completed its purpose to bring you to where you are. Thank you for your question. What else can I answer for you?

>>Rick:  Perhaps one more question. You mentioned individualized consciousness. When some enlightened beings describe their experience, they can almost hardly be said to have individualized consciousness. Someone like Ramana Maharshi, and some schools of thought say that when an enlightened being drops the body, they just blend into the ocean of consciousness like a drop into the actual ocean, and they no longer exist in any way, shape, or form. And yet, guides such as yourself seem to be enlightened beings, and I know actually many people who have had encounters with Ramana Maharshi since he died, and others with Jesus or Buddha, and so on. So my question is, do enlightened beings continue to exist on higher planes — or maybe some do — and some actually do merge into the absolute and cease to exist in any functional way?

>>Emmanuel: An individual human being experiencing enlightenment as a stage of their evolution will continue to exist in all the forms they have experienced individuality in human form, yet the increased frequency of their being truly is submerged in all of human consciousness. Their existence, and the purpose that they have fulfilled to increase the realization, as well as the frequency level of human consciousness is fulfilled. They can choose to continue to exist in non-material form as the individual that they have lived, as any of the individuals that they have lived. They may choose to represent themselves in certain occasions to provide assistance and support, interventions, and divine presence. It is not a requirement, yet it is a form of service, a continued service of an enlightened being to humanity. The submersion into all of human consciousness in itself is the dissolution of the individualized experiences into all of experiences ever had. The beauty of the individual itself can and will continue, even within the context of the human collective, as you will continue after the completion of this lifetime, all experiences ever had, all emotions and memories ever arisen will be there for you, as well as for all of human collective to refer to, to re-experience and to witness again. You continue to exist beyond this lifetime. Thank you for your question.

>>Rick:  Thank you. I think no further questions at this time. That’s really sweet. We really appreciated hearing what you had to say. Emmanuel  Thank you for listening to our words.

>>Rick:  Thanks Asil.

>>Asil:  Thank you, Rick.

>>Rick:  Do you feel drained, or energized, after you do that?

>>Asil:  There’s definitely a level of energy that’s moving through me. I definitely feel altered. So I’m in a half-asleep, half-awake state, trying to come back into my own body. So it’s a really interesting experience. It used to be a lot more difficult to return. It was a lot more draining in the past. Sometimes I would channel for ten, fifteen minutes and be knocked out for three days. And it changed. As the vessel developed more and more it became more adept to this switch of, on and on.

>>Rick:  I just want to say that that seems typical of all kinds of spiritual development where initially it’s like on or off, and then eventually it gets integrated where you can be running through a busy airport and yet in a very profound state of consciousness that originally you can only access in deep meditation or something.

>>Asil:  Absolutely correct. And in the beginning, it used to take me forty-five minutes or so to just get into that state.

>>Rick:  I’m glad you moved beyond that stage.

>>Asil:  It was like, yeah, totally. It was like there was a group of people waiting for me to get into state and now it goes really quickly. And in fact, I feel like I have this continuous connection in which I can inquire, even when I’m in the supermarket. Should I eat this or not?

>>Rick:  That’s great.

>>Asil:  But in the sense of these deeper conversations, they want to make sure that the totality of my consciousness isn’t flavoring that which is being delivered. So there’s a bit of a distinction, when I go into the state, when I deliver the work publicly or in a group setting, then I take the time to really get into that deep state.

>>Rick:  Yeah. That’s why you went through so much preparation, even in the early days when this first began to happen it was several years before you were able to do anything publicly.

>>Asil:  Exactly.

>>Rick:  Yeah. And I wonder what you think. I’ve interviewed a bunch of channelers and there’s a bunch I wouldn’t want to interview exactly. But, it’s a kind of a mixed field in terms of how genuine and prepared a lot of people are I think. I think there’s some genuine ones, but then there’s a lot of people who just get into it and who knows exactly what they’re saying or on whose behalf.

>>Asil:  That is absolutely true. And I have to say before this started on me, I had never read a book of a channeling in my life. I knew they existed, but it was not relevant to me. And I can relate to the idea, especially for example, if I’m mentally too busy, or if I’m emotionally stirred up, then the guides will not embody, and they will not talk. They say, you have to deal with your human side first before we can work through you. Wow. This is how much effort it takes to actually be in a good state in order to be able to deliver the work. And you are absolutely right, that in the different states of trans-channeling, which goes all the way from intuition to completely being unconscious of what’s happening as the person delivering, right? So you’ll see some of these Mongolian shamans that don’t remember what happened after they have like embodied. So that’s like the most extreme. I’d say I’m a couple of ticks below that extreme, but there’s many in the spectrum, right? And so depending on where you deliver, sometimes there is flavoring of the ego. There is flavoring of the personal individual that is speaking.

>>Rick:  Remember what Jesus said about “not pouring new wine into old wineskins.”

>>Asil:  That makes total sense.

>>Rick:  Yeah. Got to prepare the vessel. And I think that’s true, not only of channeling but of the whole spiritual enterprise. I mean, all the thing is really about fine-tuning this instrument so that it can be a fit body, embodier, or reflector of the divine.

>>Asil:  And so in that sense, I try, or we try, as a group, as a not-for-profit organization, to deliver this work and its most pure and its most authentic way. And for that, we have to make sure that all the circumstances are as perfect as possible, right? It’s almost like you’re conducting something so sacred that you want to make sure that everyone receives it in its utmost purity.

>>Rick:  I really appreciate and respect that. I was a meditation teacher for many years, and we had that point drilled into us also in our training, that we really have to be a fit mouthpiece for the teaching and not color it with our individualism. So that’s great. Kind of a quality control thing. I wish all teachers had that sort of work ethic, it would prevent a lot of heartbreak and confusion.

>>Asil:  I agree. I agree, and even in the heartbreak and confusion is learnings to be had, and we are continuously evolving as a species, as individuals as well. And what’s interesting is, it’s putting a really high bar in terms of integrity for us. And we are on top of that as an organization trying to put an even higher bar for ourselves in terms of integrity, in terms of doing what we say and really meaning what we say and delivering on what we promised and so on and so forth. And that’s a hard walk to walk, you know, or hard talk to walk.

>>Rick:  That’s great. I helped to found an organization a few years ago called the Association for Spiritual Integrity. I’ll send you some information about it afterwards. You might like to join. It’s no big obligation or anything, but you’d be a nice person to have involved.

>>Asil:  Thank you very much, Rick.

>>Rick:  You’re very welcome. For others who are curious, it’s You can find it. Alrighty. So I’m going to just show your website on the screen here Why don’t you summarize for us how people listening to this can plug into your work?

>>Asil:  So we have, on a regular basis, donation-based transmissions that happen normally on Saturdays. Then we have all of the past transcripts and all of the sessions that have ever happened, live and free available in archives on our website and our YouTube and so on. And then we are doing various types of courses. For example, a course that would go along with the book that allows people to reflect as well as have some live channelings that allows them to go deeper with the book. And then we have the course and the training, which is a three-level course. And the next one starts in January. It is a deeper dive into internal, spiritual excavations, from emotional to mental, physical, and on this journey a group of individuals will go through to become a Pillar of Light. And while some of them already are Pillars of Light, some of them already are in service, they will be even more fine-tuned and even more supported to become even more aligned, more pure, more compassionate, more loving in the service that they provide so that they don’t feel they’re alone in the service that they’re providing.

>>Rick:  Are they trained to do what you do, like channeling? Or different things?

>>Asil:  Different things. They could be healers, or they could be businessmen. They could be parents, but to their presence comes a new level of depths, a new level of peace, right? So, I’ll say that many people that go through our courses develop what we call spiritual gifts that arise. When we come into a deeper alignment, certain things will arise. You know that from meditation, right? The more you do that, certain things will start to open up. And that is the same thing that happens with a lot of the people that joined this journey.

>>Rick:  That’s great. Well, thanks so much for all you’re doing. It’s wonderful that there are people like you doing this kind of thing. And of course, there are all kinds of people around the world as this show attempts to highlight, and we’re all one big team. And I think the world would be in dire straits if there weren’t people doing all this. So I really appreciate the part you’re playing.

>>Asil:  Thank you very much, Rick. And I’ll say the same to you, and I mean, you guys are doing amazing work and an amazing service to humanity.

>>Rick:  Thanks. Well, I really appreciate you coming on and hope to meet you in person one of these days when people start meeting other people in person, again. Hopefully, that won’t be too far off. I really enjoyed my time with you.

>>Asil:  Thank you very much, Rick.

>>Rick:  Yeah. And to those who have been listening or watching, this is, as you must know, part of an ongoing series, so go to bat and check the menus, see what’s there. And also if you wish, subscribe on YouTube, we appreciate having more subscribers. So thanks for listening and watching. Next week I don’t have an interview, but I’ll be actually playing a recording of a talk that Swami Sarvapriyananda gave to that organization that I just mentioned, the organization for the Association for Spiritual Integrity, about the importance of ethics on the spiritual path. So we’ll be playing that next week. The following week will be Dean Radin of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, and many more to come. So stay tuned. Thanks, Asil.

>>Asil:  Thank you, Rick!

>>Rick:  Salk to you later.

>>Asil:  Talk to you, soon! Bye.

>>Rick: Bye-bye!