Rick Archer: Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer, Buddha at the Gas Pump is an ongoing series of conversations with spiritually Awakening people. We’ve done about 640 of them now. And if this is new to you, and you’d like to check out previous ones, please go to batgap.com BATGAP, and look under the past interviews menu, where you’ll see them all organized in several different ways. People who have listened to the show regularly have heard me say that hundreds of times, but the number keeps rising. This program is made possible through the support of appreciative listeners and viewers. So if you appreciate it, and would like to help support it, there’s a PayPal button on the website. And there’s also a page explaining alternatives to PayPal. My guest today is Sebastian Blaksley. And this is my second interview with him we did the first one a couple of years ago. Sebastian lives in Argentina at the moment he is in. Where are you?
Sebastián Blaksley: In Buenos Aires
Rick Archer: And as I mentioned, this is my second interview with him. And I’ve listened to the first one twice this week, just to sort of tune into what we talked about then so we don’t repeat ourselves too much. And I also listen to quite a few sections of some books he has written. And I’m not gonna his bio is rather long, and you can read it in the description beneath the video or on his BatGap page. But I’d like to start by just asking Sebastian to give us a short biographical sketch of himself for those who may not be familiar with him yet. So why don’t you go ahead and do that Sebastian?
Sebastián Blaksley: Sure, thank you, Rick, for inviting me to this dialogue. And talking about myself, I’m living in Buenos Aires is where I was born. I come from a traditional large Catholic family in Argentina. And I have the opportunity to travel extensively all over the world, due to my business skills I have studied in Argentina, and also in the United States. And since I was young, I have the experience of living my life, surrounded to Jesus and Mary, and having an inner connection with them. And I grew up with the idea of having these relationships with them just as a regular, you know, condition of our existence. So I never thought that I have to do something with that, until seven years ago, in which I listened to Jesus Christ, telling me that it was the time to go outside and share with the world, whatever I received from him, and from our Immaculate Mother Mary from the angels. After that moment, I started to receive the messages that I have to write. And those messages became books, seven of them are already published. The last one was published this month. And it is being spread all over the world very fast and universally speaking. And after that, I created a Foundation. In order to be able to do this, I’m going to share everything that I have received with everyone. Now I’m conducting the Foundation and fully dedicated to this lovely task of sharing the divine love with everyone who wants to listen and to receive it. Thank you.
Rick Archer: So my orientation, the way I understand what you’re doing, based just on the understanding I’ve developed over the years, is that there’s more to life than meets the eye and that there are subtle realms of creation, we might call them celestial realms or something where celestial beings reside. This might sound far out to some people, but that’s, I’m sorry, this way I understand things. And many people have throughout history understood that, and some people have been gifted with being able to perceive those realms and communicate with those beings. And you are one such person. And, you know, I’ve interviewed a lot of people who, you know, say that they’re channeling some, some higher being. And there are a great many more people whom I haven’t interviewed who are saying that, and I think that that, from what I gather, the channeling takes place in different ways. With some, it’s auditory with some it’s visual with some it’s both. And that’s true with you, too. I’ve heard you describe that it can be any number of different things. But sometimes, what you’ve described, and we didn’t really talk about this in the first interview, is that it’s extremely clear and visual, right down to being able to, you know, see their faces, clearly the expressions on their faces, the kind of clothing they’re wearing the trim on their, their garments, you know, what color it is, and this different color garments, or different people and all that. So just to establish a context for what we’re going to talk about today, maybe you could start by explaining your experience in greater detail. When you have one of these communications, and it’s a very visual one, like some of them are, how does it start? How long does it last? You know, are you sitting there with your eyes open seeing this in a so-called external form? Or, or is it more in your mind’s eye and you’re just visualizing it inwardly and trying to get share with us your experience?
Sebastián Blaksley: Thank you, Rick, for giving me the opportunity to share that I’ve received whatever Christ wants me to receive. By that, I mean, that comes to me, without doing anything by myself, it just comes to no matter whether sometimes I’m praying, and I receive those visitations, sometimes I’m just walking down the street or doing, you know, ordinary things in my house, or wherever, in my ordinary life. And it comes to me in many different ways. Sometimes it comes in visions like you said before. I see the humanity of Jesus Christ when He wants to be present in his humanity. Same happens with our Immaculate Mother Mary. When I say the humanity, I’m talking about the body, the face, and the clothes and everything that they want to show. It also happens with archangels and angels, they come to me with a form with a body representing in the way I can understand. And this is important to mention, in this explanation, because heaven talks to us, let’s say God talks to us or the Holy Spirit talks to us, in the way we can understand. So it uses, he uses the symbols that we can understand. In my case, when I see the humanity of Jesus, I see him as the traditional aspect of his image as we know that the Christian world and he talks to me like a human being, like I’m talking with you right now. And that can happen with my eyes closed or open. And also, as I said before, during the time that I’m making ordinary things in my life, at that moment, I understand in my soul that the vision is coming in because I receive an advice. It’s like a wind that is recognized by my mind and my heart. And I know that vision is going to come suddenly at that moment. And everything in my heart becomes in peace, and rest in our harmony, suddenly, and I can see how my spiritual eyes are open. And I can see that without interfering my activities.
Rick Archer: So even if you’re driving does ever happen when you’re driving a car or playing rugby, I don’t you probably don’t play rugby anymore, or, you know, something that is very engaging like that, or does it have to be a little bit more settled state for this thing to happen?
Sebastián Blaksley: It’s it has been changing, because it’s a relationship. And I guess it is, because once we receive the visitations of them, we have to become accustomed to that. So at the very beginning, that happened when I was alone, at home, doing nothing, even though I was sometimes not praying, but I was alone and in silence. But a couple of years later, it started to happen everywhere and at any time, no matter where whether I was driving or in the supermarket or walking down the street. Or of course, if I played rugby, it could happen at time, that moment, as well, as I don’t play the rugby any longer.
Rick Archer: I know that a peace-loving guy like you would play such a violent sport.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, but now it happens at any time. So I would say that, finally, God comes to your reality to your daily reality, and you can interact with them in your ordinary life without interfering your activities. In fact, there was a moment after which I started to listen to them giving me advice, so about some particular aspect of the decisions that I have to make in my ordinary life. Like sometimes it comes to they come to me and they say, ‘Don’t go to this place or go to that place’ they guide me, you know, as a real mother or father who is working together with their son. So now it is happening, no matter where I am.
Rick Archer: When this first started happening to you, did you find it extremely awe-inspiring, like, you know, amazing.
Sebastián Blaksley: No, no, no, because I guess because I started to receive communications with Jesus Christ when I was very young, since I have memories
Rick Archer: In a car accident.
Sebastián Blaksley: In the first interview, we talked about the experience in the car accident, but that was not the first one and not the only one. So every time that they come to me, I feel deeply in my heart, that I am with someone that I know from always, and with someone who knows myself from ever and ever. So it’s like, you know, being with one of your best friend or with your mother or your father, who you love and who loves you.
Rick Archer: You feel a big flood of devotion when these experiences happen?
Sebastián Blaksley: Absolutely. I feel emerge and embraced by a love that has no beginning or end. And at that moment, I feel safe and loved as never before. And at that moment, I also understand because of that love that flows from the heart of Jesus or Mary or whoever comes to me because of that flow of love I know myself as I am. I know that that love in which I am embraced is who I am. So I not only feel that I am loved by that always I also feel that I’m secure in the truth by that I mean that my mind becomes, you know, in rest and in peace, because there are no thoughts. Because my mind already knows everything in that interaction.
Rick Archer: This being who presents himself these various beings who present themselves to you, archangels and Jesus and Mary, if do you think that there might be people like yourself who happened to be living in Tibet? Or who are Australian aborigines or, you know, raised in a completely different non-Christian culture to whom these very same beings are presenting themselves, but in forms that those people can relate to? Or do you think perhaps that sensitive people such as yourselves, such as yourself, in those circumstances, and cultures, would be interacting with entirely different beings who are nonetheless you know, serving some kind of divine role on Earth?
Sebastián Blaksley: Also, thank you for that question, because it refers to the universality of love and wisdom. Since the truth is universal, the Holy Spirit can be with others, in so many different ways. So I am sure, because it was revealed to me by Archangel Raphael, that they visit others, even though they don’t have the same culture, the same background, some of them can recognize them, even though the shape or the, you know, the way of being with the person is not related to the symbols or culture. And the reason why that happens is because the soul knows who Christ is. So that soul can recognize the Christ that is in Jesus in Mary in archangels, or angels or in so many other beings, and they are able to do that. So there are some people who receive the visitation of Jesus Christ, even though they are not in the Christian world, and they can recognize him perfectly well, from heart to heart. So that’s, that’s what I know.
Rick Archer: I guess I’m just wondering if there’s, there’s Jesus appear to them that if you let’s say, you were a visual artist, and you were able to paint what you see, and some Aborigine or, you know, native, South American, you know, in Andes or something like that, were to also be a visual artists, would they paint the same figure? Or would they perhaps paint a divine being who looked like an Aborigine or who, you know, who had, you know, dark skin, or who looked very different than the way Christ is, is commonly represented in art.
Sebastián Blaksley: Both cases, there are cases in which Jesus appears in the same way as it happens to me. And also our Immaculate Mother Mary, and even though they never knew about that person, in that case, Jesus or Mary, and they recognize that perfectly well. So they would, in those cases, they would paint the same figure as I would paint.
Rick Archer: Okay. And this might seem like a dumb question, but what does Jesus look like? I mean, I’ve seen pictures of what Jesus might actually have looked like, and it’s very different than the way he’s usually painted in the West, given his probable genetic makeup and everything. He’s quite dark-haired and with dark skin with curly hair, and so on. Does he look like that? Or does he sort of look like the kind of Jesus usually see in in western paintings?
Sebastián Blaksley: It’s difficult to answer that question because I saw so many paintings in the western area with so many different faces and colors. In my case, I see him as the traditional way, as we think about him in terms of being someone from Jerusalem at that time. And with long hair. Not dark. I see him very, very whitey, or, you know, kind of with light so The hair and the skin is very, very white. And with the same tunic, same style as I can imagine someone from Jerusalem 2000 years ago.
Rick Archer: Okay. So a little bit more on this theme. So that so far in this conversation, we’ve mentioned Jesus and Mary, you mentioned archangels. And, and you’ve you referred to Gabriel and Raphael. You, I think we’ve mentioned angels. In your book, you mentioned sometimes that a Choir of Angels comes along when these archangels come and they sing for a bit, and then they stop and the archangels speak to you. So I guess what you’re saying is that there are a lot of varieties of celestial beings, and there’s a hierarchy of them, some of them are more exalted, than have greater authority, or wisdom than others. Is there anything you can say to elaborate on that? And in terms of, I mean, really basically describing the denizens of heaven? Is, if you’re right, if you were to write a book just about that, what sorts of beings live in the celestial realm and what their various roles are, you know, what are some of the things you would say?
Sebastián Blaksley: Thank you for bringing these to the dialog, because the, this talks about hierarchies. And that is one of the message that I received. In terms of universal consciousness, there is no (not) something like’ hierarchies’, there is something like diversity. Love is more related to diversity than hierarchies. So what I see is an uncountable choir of angels, with so many different aspects, that, of course, I cannot count, because it’s uncountable. They are all different. In form, the angelic form, but somehow, my soul knows that they are the same in the essence, because they are constituted by love. And in that sense, the difference between an archangel and an angel for the different beings that are in the celestial kingdom are different expression of the same love and you understand that perfectly well. I think, to understand this easily in this earthly kingdom, we can say that we see different beings in the earth, and all of them are expression of lights, or is life in a bird, in a flower and in a human being with different forms. When you have the vision of heaven, your mind and your heart understands perfectly well, that the essence of all of them is the same as it is the same for me. And we are all different shapes, different forms of expressing the divine love, in that sense, because the divine love is infinite. There are infinite beings in the universe, I mean, in the creation, and all of them are in the same level of love. There are no hierarchies in the universe.
Rick Archer: Yeah, we talked about this in our last interview, and we talked about how, like, all the electrical appliances in your house run off the same electrical current, and you don’t say that the refrigerator is better than the nightlight, or that it’s better than the television, they all just serve different functions, then each one has its purpose. But, you know, by that token, there’s the line in the Bhagavad Gita which says that ‘the enlightened being sees the Self in all beings and all beings in the Self’. And so you know whether in a mosquito or a dog or an elephant or a human being or a celestial being, it’s all ultimately the same essence, same self, but obviously, and those different beings serve have different functions. But you could speak of a hierarchy in terms of greater and greater capacity to be a conduit for divine intelligence. You know, someone like Jesus, if we want to use a light bulb analogy radiates a lot more light than, you know, someone who is light, it’s just like a little tiny, you know, candlelight. And so, you know, I understand that on one level, there are no hierarchies, and all is one, and there is an underlying unity to everything. But on a relative level. There are different functions, and some of them have greater spheres of influence than others and generating greater power and authority or possess greater power and authority than others. Would you agree with that?
Sebastián Blaksley: Absolutely, and, as far as I received the revelation, Jesus said, once to me that the difference between one being and another being is just the capacity to be in union with the Sacred Heart, how united to the center of the Sacred Heart, is the difference between one consciousness and another one. So we are all expression of the same love. But we don’t have the same consciousness in terms of being able to become one with God, even though we are part of him. A human being, for instance, has, I would say, a greater or a bigger capacity to become one with God, because our consciousness has the capacity to know Him, in a way, which is different than in Iraq, or in a planet, even though all of them are an expression of divine love. So in that sense, yes, there are hierarchies, in terms of the capacity to become one with God. So the question in terms of our consciousness, in this matter is how deeply united I am with the heart of God or not.
Rick Archer: Deeply, and perhaps another good word is clearly because there might be a sort of a bit a foggy, unclear sense of unity, but it could become much, much, much more clear. And that clarity can continue to grow.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, you are right, according to the revelation that I received, because when he gave we gave our soul to Christ, we give our heart and our mind. And he said, once to me that I mean, Jesus Christ said once to me that the heart was given to us to be the throne of love. And our mind was given to us to be the throne of the truth.
Rick Archer: Throne.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yeah, the throne of truth. So with our mind, we can access the divine knowledge with the clarity that you mentioned before. So, both love and light are together. So yes, we become more clear in our mind, so we can access to the true knowledge of the divine love. Yeah, in a different way than other consciousness.
Rick Archer: Right? I often think of people who are doing spiritual work as being kind of instruments of the divine, I think I’ve heard you refer to yourself that way. You feel kind of a tool, like you’re a tool or an instrument in the hands of a master musician, you know, and you’re not playing the music, I mean, you are just a means through which others can hear the music, but the composer and the player is really something much bigger than yourself.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, and in fact, Jesus uses an expression with me, which is that he say that I am a ‘pencil in the hands of God’. And sometimes he uses the expression, ‘a pencil in the hands of love’, which is the same because the key message that I received is that God is love and we are ready to know this truth in a you know, deeper way in our knowledge and in our heart. The ‘pencil in the hands of God’ means what you said it’s an instrument, pencil is nothing without the hand and it’s useless if the hand doesn’t use it. So I think it’s a good metaphor to understand what you said, Yes, we are an instrument, because we have been created to be instruments of love.
Rick Archer: Yeah, it is interesting, too, that not only you but many people have had visitations like this. And it’s almost like Jesus and whoever else is, is operating from that side of things, is always looking for good candidates, you know, to be pencils to be representatives. And when they find somebody, then I almost get the sense that there’s a celebration, ‘oh, boy! you know, ‘here’s another one we can we can work through this person’. Sometimes it’s people who have near-death experiences, you know, they have this near-death experience, and it totally opens them up to a vision that they never imagined. And then they’re told, alright, you’re not going to die. If you have to go back you have work to do, and then they come back. And they have, you know, a big impact because of the experience they have they’ve had, and they feel like there’s a purpose in their saying that stuff, and it helps people in the world that they wouldn’t have helped if they had actually just died.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yeah, that’s very interesting, because in my case, I always talk based on my experience. In my case, I know deeply in my heart and my mind that these direct relationship that I have with Jesus, Our Immaculate Mother Mary, celestial beings, is not something extraordinary. I know clearly, well, that this is happening with every single human being, no matter whether it’s some people don’t realize that or not, whether they are aware of or not. Because our human consciousness can go, let’s say it’s in a separate way, than the true consciousness that we have. So deep in our heart, and in our consciousness, we are all connected with these beings. And there is a relationship, that relationship exists and is happening in the center of the heart of every human beings. What happens is that sometimes some people become aware of that relationship. But there is nothing extraordinary on talking with Jesus, or Mary or the angels or archangels, or many, you know, different celestial beings. In fact, something that I realized, based in my experience is that it would be absolutely extraordinary not to have a relationship with that. Because it’s just impossible. So God talks to every single heart. And it was shown to me, that dialogue between God and other beings in the earthly kingdom like animals or flowers, because creation is a dialogue, and that dialogue is constantly being, you know, established between God and the soul no matter whether we are aware of not about that. So everyone can talk to them. They will, finally everyone will talk them.
Rick Archer: Your books are called ‘Choose Only Love’ and it does seem that sometimes one has a choice, like about a month ago, I interviewed a woman named Irma Francis. And when she was eight years old, she was playing in her family’s living room and a voice came and she heard a voice which said go out on the porch. So she went out on the porch. And it’s as if this some kind of something open and just started pouring down into her and she had this flood of all this knowledge and an insight and you know, is this profound awakening realization that she had, and at a certain point when this was happening, she was told that she had a choice. She said, either you can stay open like this, and or you can just have it shut down and live an ordinary life. And she said, I’ll stay open. Now, she’s been living this extraordinary life with this with this deep insight and awakening, I don’t know, you probably don’t feel like you ever had a choice, it just sort of happened to you started happening too. And when you’re very young, and you’ve cooperated with it, but other people seem to manage to whether they’re even aware of anything to begin like this to begin with, they seem to manage to stay pretty well shut down and unaware of the higher potential that that could be there for them.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, I agree with what you said. And I think what you are talking about now is the essence of what all the manifestations that I receive is trying to share with everyone. The essence of message is that we came here to make a choice. That is the reason why we are in this earthly kingdom, we came to know who we are, in order to make the decision to what Jesus calls that fundamental option. The fundamental option is to choose only love forever and ever asked your identity and as your reality, and that is something that we are doing here in this earthly kingdom. And this is the perfect world in which we can do that according to Jesus Christ. In my case, yes, I, I walked through the dark night, for a long period of time in my existence in detail for the kingdom. And Jesus explained me that that period of my spiritual path was the time in my case, to make the option for Christ, the option for love, so everyone has had experience, maybe the experience is different from one to another one. But there is one moment in our life in this life, in which we are making a decision. And we make the decision for choosing only love forever and ever as our identity and our reality. And something that I knew, based on the revelations that I received is that that happens in what we called the kingdom of time. There are two kingdom of times, according to the revelation that I’ve received, one is with his body there is we can keep going in the realm of time, without body. And that is the time that we have in order to make this choice.
Rick Archer: I didn’t completely understand that. So we can keep going without a body did you say there’s this period of time when we’re in a body, but we can keep going without a body is that what you said?
Sebastián Blaksley: Yeah, what I’m trying to say is that this is the realm, or the kingdom of time, and space and body, or form or matter. This is what we call the earthly kingdom. But time doesn’t finish when, you know, in this realm, so there is a dimension in which time keeps going for the soul, who didn’t make the choice here, but needs more time without a body. Let’s say, like, a soul needs 2000 years to make that choice. God gives that soul that time to make that choice. And of course, it’s not going to be with the body, but the time with keep going for that soul so that soul can make that choice. But everyone sooner or later achieved the stage in which we have to make the choice.
Rick Archer: Then, of course then there’s the whole notion of reincarnation, which is not emphasized in Christianity, although some scholars say it was part of it early on. And so then, you know, sometimes we’re the body sometimes we’re without a body.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yeah you’re right.
Rick Archer: Go back and forth.
Sebastián Blaksley: Right. I mean, finally, that cycle finishes when, when the soul makes the choice. Will we have time to make the soul to make the choice for acknowledging love as our identity and the only reality.
Rick Archer: Yeah good. Another sort of silly question occurred to me when you have these communications are they in Spanish? Or, or is it preverbal so that there’s really not an actual language involved? Just the knowledge is conveyed in some kind of fundamental way?
Sebastián Blaksley: That’s a very interesting question because it comes in with no words. Love has no words. So it comes in sound, some images that the soul can understand perfectly well, without any need of translating anything. However, when that communication that comes to me in symbols, and music, and sounds, goes to the human aspect of who I am it needs to be translated. And in that process that I’m aware of Archangel Raphael helps me he is in charge of that process of, you know, translating the heavenly language into the human language. And at that moment, it translates he translates into Spanish and English because they are the languages that I can speak. And sometimes he translates into some languages that I don’t know. So he explains (to) me, those cases are just with some words. But mainly, it is translated into Spanish and English to me. So I write all the messages in Spanish and English, and then they become books.
Rick Archer: Okay. And obviously, there are some there are all kinds of wonderful, inspiring experiences we have that, you know, don’t have to there have anything to do with the language. If we listen to a Beethoven symphony, it’s not German
Sebastián Blaksley: Right
Rick Archer: You know, it just arrived
Sebastián Blaksley: right away
Rick Archer: language you speak.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes. And I think you gave a great example, because music has its own language. And we just feel it, and we know we to express what it expresses. However, when we need to write, you know, these messages, we need human words. And that’s the function of Archangel Raphael to help me to translate into human words.
Rick Archer: Good, okay. So there were some points that you and our friend Glenn, who is your publisher, wanted to make sure we covered. And I have at least three questions that have come in from people, and they’ll probably be more. I remember whether I mentioned that in the beginning. Yes, I did. I mentioned the thing about being able to submit questions. So one point, I’ll just read the points and you can begin to elaborate on one is point about ‘prophets, and the new consciousness’, which is in book three of your Choose Only Love series. So what’s that all about prophets in the new consciousness?
Sebastián Blaksley: Sure That chapter talks about a new way of understanding the concept of Prophet. And if it says that now because we are in a new consciousness, in a new age, which is actually called by them, the age of the heart, we are going to see the Prophet in a different way. The new way of understanding the Prophet is to understand that we are all called to be Prophets in terms of receiving and giving the message from heaven, because to understand the mission of Prophets, which means the mission of all of us is that we are now in the time of the direct relationship with God. So now, according to the revelation that I received, humanity is ready to return to that direct relationship, which means that everyone can establish direct communications with God and to be guided by Him and act in terms of what that dialogue brings to that person. And because that dialogue brings the fact that we know who we are, humanity is ready now, to answer the question of who we are, and to understand that we are love and nothing else but love. And that knowledge is something that we know directly from that direct relationship with God. And expressing the love that we are, is giving the message that we are receiving, because the new message that the Christ consciousness is giving to the humanity is that we are loved. And we are called to express that truth in our humanity. That is what Choose Only Love calls the age of the second advent the consciousness of the second advent means to incarnate Christ in our humanity, and to express the love that we are with our uniqueness. And in that sense, we are all called to be Prophets, because we are receiving the message of who we are understanding the love that we truly are, and express in that love, which means delivering or even that message that we have been received. That’s why for Choose Only Love is so important to understand that we have been created to be loved, to receive love. So let yourself beloved is an important part of Choose Only Love to receive the love of God, in order to allow that love to be extended through our humanity. That’s the meaning of the new Prophet for the series of Choose Only Love . And in that sense, we are all called to be Prophet, because we are all called to express to Christ that we truly are. In other words, the new Advent or the new the second coming of Christ is not in terms of some man coming and announcing himself. But it’s in terms of Christ consciousness awakening, in lots of people around the world, right? Is that what you’re saying? Right. In fact, there is a chapter that talks about that. And it says exactly what you mentioned before. Second advent for Choose Only Love is not going to be like Jesus Christ coming back to the earth like he did 2000 years ago, because there is no need to do that. It’s going to be a universal consciousness event, in which we are all together, we’ll see the love that we truly are and we will, at the same time have the capacity to express that in our humanity, in you, in me and in everyone, because we have been created by love and to extend that.
Rick Archer: Yeah. And of course, you know, spiritual people have been talking about this kind of thing for quite a while, probably even a couple 1000 years that there’s some better time coming for the world. And I mean, the very word ‘new age’, you know, when people talk about the ‘new age’, is an allusion to that, that this old age, which is which is so problematic in so many ways is it days are numbered, and there’s a bright ‘new age’ coming. And, you know, I think some people have believed that and eventually given up on the idea, others still believe it, I believe it, I think something’s better, something better is coming. And the what I see as the evidence for it is that there’s such a proliferation of interest in spirituality and so many people in so many different walks of life having spiritual awakenings, which is what this interview show is all about. I sort of feel like somehow or other that the influence that we’ll have might save the day and, you know, enable humanity to continue. Well, go ahead and comment on that before I say any more.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes. According to Choose Only Love and the other revelation that I receive, which are going to become books after Choose Only Love. We are, I would say, in the beginning of what is going to be the ‘New Earthly Kingdom’. That’s the expression that this revelation uses. The ‘New Earthly Kingdom’ is an earthly kingdom, with bodies and time and space and matter, but with full connection with heaven, which means that the love that we truly are is going to be expressed not only in humanity, but also in all the material universe, that is the earthly kingdom. And we are walking to that. And Choose Only Love says that that earthly kingdom is going to come to us sooner than what we believe, usually. And it explains a lot of things about how this is going to come. But certainly it talks about a new earthly kingdom that is coming to us. And we are in the process of making that real.
Rick Archer: Yeah, you and I talked about this quite a bit in our first interview. And I think we talked about whether there will have to be some kind of purging or collapse of old systems in order for the new system to emerge. And, you know, if you talk to people in Somalia, or certain places in Central America, or Bangladesh or not, Bangladesh isn’t too bad or Afghanistan, or now Ukraine, which is getting blown to bits, and you tell them all this beautiful heavenly thing is coming, they might think you’re crazy. So, you know, as all this chaos we’re seeing in certain areas, and certain problems, which seem to be getting worse and worse, like climate change, in some way, a precursor, unnecessary dark night of the soul, or unnecessary karmic payoff or something for a new age to come? Could it be avoided, or is it something we have to suffer through or that some people have to suffer through
Sebastián Blaksley: The transforming period in which we are now is part of the process. In one level, it cannot be stopped, because the transformation is needed. However, it can be experienced in a different way. And that depends on how deeply we are connected to our source. And in that sense, the transforming, you know, time that we are living now, and it’s going to be extended for a certain time can be understood as what it is. And when I say that, I mean that we can understand that we as soul, decided to come to these specific time and space, to co-create that transformation with Christ in order to allow the ‘New Earthly Kingdom’ to be born. So once we understand that we are part of it, and we decided to come to these time and space, because it’s the perfect time and space for our soul, to be part of the co creation with God. We can work through all of these with peace, instead of you know, being walking through fear. So the transforming period is going to exist, but we can walk through that with love or fear, depending on our decision.
Rick Archer: Yeah, and it’s easier for you and I to say that, but, you know, if we were in one of these Ukrainian cities that are being bombed, it would take a greater inner strength, I think to be fearless, you know?
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes. However, even though in that situation, we can always you know, have the expression of love, because every time that there is something dark in this reality, next to that, it is love. So, like it is happening right now, with those countries which are in war. We also can see how many other countries are trying to help people and they can have the expression of love even though within that difficult situation. So will love will be present at that moment. And if the opportunity to embrace that person with more, I would say strength and power than if that person was not in that difficult situation. So no matter what the situation is, we always can I see love.
Rick Archer: Yeah. And there are some beautiful examples of that within Ukraine to have people help each other. Somebody was emailing me the other day and saying that, you know, the solution to the war in Ukraine would be for us to love Vladimir Putin enough. And, you know, I said, ‘Yeah, you know’, but sometimes you need tough love, because some people just aren’t going to be receptive to it. I mean, could we have loved Hitler enough to have stopped what he did, maybe if billions of people really had, were able to pour it on, but I’m just a little skeptical myself, I, I’m definitely not a bellicose person. But I, I sometimes feel that, you know, sometimes the military response is needed, if there is a military aggressor. And sometime sometimes you can get away with the kind of tactic Gandhi used, you know, Satyagraha, passive resistance or nonviolence, but it doesn’t, it doesn’t always work that way. And feel free to disagree with me. But that’s, that’s the way I see it.
Sebastián Blaksley: According to the revelation that I receive, it’s all about identity. As we said, before, we are here to know who we are. And when we talk about embracing someone with the love that we truly are, we need to understand ‘who is the other for us’? Because if we think about the ego of the other person, who we which is the name that I use to explain that identity, that is not true in that person. We cannot let that because that is not real, love and truth, are always together. And that is something that comes also in Choose Only Love. It says that love and truth are together. So we need to love what is true in the other person, and that is the Christ that he truly is. And it is not loving the false identity of that person. Because love doesn’t see that as real. So love can never love, what is not real, can understand and be patient and do so many things with that. But when we say embracing the other in the divine love, we are talking about the real ‘I’ of that person which is beyond his or her ego. And something that I understood from the revelation that I received is , and this is just what I received in this revelation. I’m not saying this is the same for everyone. But this is how I receive it. Love can never love what is not real.
Rick Archer: That’s a good answer. Sometimes Christians say love the sinner but not the sin. In other words, love the person who is in his essential nature love that, but don’t necessarily love what he’s doing. Or his false ego. I suppose it was what you’re saying.
Sebastián Blaksley: Right? And I thank you for expressing that in that way. Because that was a big question that I had when I was a teenager. I listened to that so many times, and I couldn’t understand that very well. But thanks to the revelation that I receive, when we know who we are, we know that there are some people that they don’t know who they are. And that’s why they do things that love would never do. And when we know that from the bottom of our heart with our consciousness, we understand that expression that you mentioned before, in a very, very deep way. And that is true. We need to love what is real. And the only real thing is love.
Rick Archer: Yeah, are like what Jesus meant when he said, ‘forgive them Father, they know not what they do’.
Sebastián Blaksley: Right
Rick Archer: You know, he saw I don’t know what they saw the deeper value of those people who were crucify him,
Sebastián Blaksley: Because he know(s) who he is. And he knows what the truth is. And when he says he explained (to) me that as well. And he said when he said that, what he’s trying to say that ‘if we don’t know who we are, we don’t know what we do because we don’t know what we want’. We don’t know what our will is because we don’t know who we are. So everything that we do is something that comes from ignorance of our true identity. So every time that we don’t know who we truly are, we are going to act against love, because we are love. However, once we know who we are based on the revelation that we receive in our soul, we would never do something different than love. Because everything that we do is an expression of what we believe we are. Yeah, I often think of that, when I hear that phrase, ‘what would Jesus do?’ I mean, when someone says that, I think well, you’re gonna have to know yourself as well as Jesus did. And then you’ll naturally do what Jesus would have done or what you would do in a similar state of consciousness. But if a person is totally lost to who they are, they can’t help they can’t hope to do what Jesus would do, because there is no ground from which to behave in such a way. This is wonderful, this part of this dialogue, because this is the essence of what Choose Only Love and all the revelation that I receive is bringing into humanity. It is a revelation that is saying that we as humanity, are ready to answer the question of who we are, and to know that we are loved and nothing else but love. When we don’t know that, no matter whether we create rules, we are not going to be able to follow after the rule of love, because we don’t know what love is , so when we try to be a good person or work thru the atrocity or through good behavior, we do you know, an idle from that moral rules. If we don’t connect that with love, sooner or later, all of that is going to be used to create suffering. Jesus said, your intelligence without love is cruel, creates suffering, so we can be intelligent. But if that intelligence is that mind is not connected to love, we are going to create suffering. So the issue is not how Jesus would act in this moment or not. But how love would act in this situation or not? What love would do in this moment or with this person? And if we ask that question, we will know the answer.
Rick Archer: That’s good. Yeah, I mean, it took a lot of intelligence to develop the atomic bomb an
Sebastián Blaksley: right
Rick Archer: to develop technologies, which have created climate change and to develop the plastics that have filled the Pacific Ocean, I could go on and on, you know, pretty smart people develop those things. But the underlying motivation was not love. It was usually profit or greed or, you know, some less than divine purpose. And I’ve often thought in terms of rebalancing things in the world, in terms of higher consciousness, you know, counterbalancing, the, you know, intellectual knowledge we’ve gained, but it’s actually a little even more clear when we think of it in terms of love. You know, if, if physicists and industrialists and everybody else were saintly in terms of the fullness of their love, then I imagined we could have all of these inventions and industries and everything else in a benign role that would create good for people and not harm.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, you’re right. And I agree with what you said. The revelation that I received talks about the time of union that we are living in the time of union. And then Archangel Raphael explains about that expression. And it says that it is the time of union because it is the time in which our mind and our heart can go together. And he explains the meaning of separation in terms of a disconnection between our mind and our heart. So now we are in a time of the heart because we are in a time in which our intelligence our mind is perfectly able to follow what love wants. He talks about having two languages, the language of the mind and the language of the heart. In the past, those languages were not connected. Like they were in conflict in human beings. But now we are ready to stop with that conflict, with that conflict of identity and to understand that there can be and must be a dialogue between our mind and our heart. And as a result of that dialogue of love, we can be guided by the truth. The truth is love and truth going together, heart and mind go in together so we can return to the integrity of our soul. That what Raphael says, and that’s what we are, because we are love. And so we need to use all our humanity, you know, to serve love, instead of serving something different.
Rick Archer: One impression that I get as I listened to you is that this is a time of opportunity. It’s a time when it’s possible for people to make spiritual progress or have spiritual breakthroughs, that might have been a lot more difficult to make 50 or 100 years ago. And that’s perhaps why so many people seem to be having these kinds of breakthroughs.
Sebastián Blaksley: Sure, in fact, the angel talks about seven waves of consciousness to explain the history of creation,
Rick Archer: seven waves like waves, and ocean-like,
Sebastián Blaksley: Yeah, waves are of consciousness. And he said to me, that we just finished the way of the age of, of the reason. And now we are getting into the, the age of the heart. So we come from a consciousness, which was basically focused on the mind and was disconnected from the heart, from the emotion from feelings because just the consciousness at that moment was not able to do that. Now we are in the time in which we can integrate that. And if we see that, we can have an appreciation of our brothers and sisters in the past, because they helped us to be in this moment in which we can integrate both our mind and our heart, the truth and love as the unity that it truly is.
Rick Archer: Okay, another main point that you wanted to make sure we discussed is the gift of divine relationship. And you said, this soars. As soars, have we really touched on that yet the gift of divine relationship?
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, as I said before, according to the revelation that I received, we are in the time of direct relationship with God. Jesus said to me, that this confusion that we are observing and experiencing in the world is part of the process. Because of this confusion in this moment, every soul is directing his or her energy to the divine source, because it is a time in which this whole task wants to have the guidance of the divine source. None other guidance is safe for human beings right now. And if we see that, we can see that in our ordinary life, we don’t feel security in our governments or in our religious system, or in our political systems, or in so many other systems, because all of them are collapsing, and are being transformed. So within this transformation, we feel unsafe. And because of that, lack of security that we experienced in this moment, we move our heart into what we know deeply in our soul, it is the true security of who we are, which is God, the divine source. So we are now in a state of consciousness in which we are have perfectly ready to reestablish the direct communication with God as it was in the very beginning, according to what Jesus said, in which the soul and the source was talking directly with no, you know, disconnection of any kind. And because of that relationship, which is the gift that we receive from God, to our soul, we create the ‘New Earthly Kingdom’, because relationship is all about union. So we are in a time in which we are ready to return to the unity with our divine source. And that union will create a new love. That union is powerful, according to what Choose Only Love is telling us. And as an effect of that union, we will heal the world and bring the earthly kingdom to this reality.
Rick Archer: That’s interesting. You know, a lot of religions have tried to tell people that well, you need a priest, or you need a guru or something to, or you need a shaman to be an intermediary between you and God. And what you’re saying is, well, we can all experience God directly. And, and for those who aren’t religious, you know, they think about this political leader or this rock star, or, you know, or this economic expert, or is they look to experts for, or, you know, people with, with temporal power, as authorities, and as inspirations. But what you’re saying is that all those authorities and the institutions they represent, are on very shaky ground these days, including religious institutions. And, you know, people, a lot of people are losing faith in the people, nobody likes, nobody trusts the government. The economy could do anything. And you know, so where do you find security? I was on a boat ride on Lake Lucerne with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1974, or five. And he was talking about this big transition that the world was going to undergo. And someone said, well, they sounded kind of scary. And someone said, Oh, how can we survive this? And he said, ‘hold on to the self’. You know, and I think that’s what you’re saying here is that that’s, that’s the foundation upon which we can enjoy security and lack of fear, and everything else can go to hell in a handbasket. But if we have that foundation, nothing will shake us.
Sebastián Blaksley: You are right. And I really thank you for bringing this to the dialogue, because that is also the essence of the revelation that I received in terms of how to live this transitional time. Our Immaculate Mother Mary, constantly says ‘remain in me, remain in me, if you remain in me, fear will not take over your heart or your mind’. The outside world lets you used that expression which means everything that we experience, surrounding us, to the outside world is having now an energy that no one will be able to manage. And that is because we need to return back to our heart, to the center of who we are, where God and myself lives a direct relationship of divine love, here, now and forever, and that peace in my soul exist. And it is not only in my soul, but in every single soul. It is perfectly possible to remain there. So we can receive the grace of the indifference of the world, which means to see the world as something outside but we remain centered in our inner temple. And in that temple, we remain in peace and we know who we are. And because we know who we are, we are safe. That’s why we are experiencing now a very confusing world and very unstable world. And our Immaculate Mother Mary said that to me, she said the outside world is not going to be something that you can bear with no longer because of that energy. So you have to You remain in your soul, in the love that you truly are, and there you will be untouchable. And you can work through all of this without fear and without being hurt.
Rick Archer: Reminds me of Daniel in the lion’s den. You know,
Sebastián Blaksley: Right.
Rick Archer: Okay, another point, the art of living, especially the distinction between the world and the universe, what’s that about?
Sebastián Blaksley: Choose Only Love and the revelations that I received takes time to explain some concepts, so we can understand things more easily. And one of the distinctions that it might makes is the distinction between universe and world. It calls world as the relationships that we established with what is surrounding us. So for Choose Only Love, and the revelation that I received, world is everything, that I have a direct relationship with my humanity, and how I established that relationship. That’s why there are so many wars, in you know, in humanity, because every human is a world. Because when we say the world, we are talking about those interactions that I have in this earthly kingdom, and the meaning that I give to those interactions, and universe is something bigger for Choose Only Love. Universe is what God created, what God has created us an expression of love, which is the whole existence, not only the realm of time and space and matter, but also the other dimensions that the universe, and that is not something that we call world, world is just the relationships that I established with few aspects of that universe. And that is the part that has to, to be transformed. Because it’s the meaning that I give to the relationships that I established in this earthly kingdom.
Rick Archer: Okay, I’m gonna probe you on that a little bit, because I’m not completely sure I understand what you just said. So by, and so if I get this wrong, just correct me, but I think you’re saying, by world, the sphere of influence in human beings life, and their relationship with that sphere of influence, or sphere of interactions and relationships and perception and so on that which immediately concerns us, whereas, you know, that’s just a tiny little speck, by comparison with the vast universe, which most of which is, well outside the range of our perception or our knowledge. And, and yet, we have a relationship with that too. And yet we’re, we’re generally unaware of it. But nonetheless, you know, everything is ultimately one and ultimately interconnected or intercorrelated. So, our individual sphere of influence is relevant to the larger sphere of the universe. That was my interpretation of what you said, but did I get it? Are you saying something different?
Sebastián Blaksley: I think you got it. Because, you know, fear is the consciousness of condensed consciousness actually,
Rick Archer: fear
Sebastián Blaksley: Fear is the condensed consciousness. So we established so few, you know, relationships with few things, even though we believe it’s a lot, but it is compared to the vastness of the universe is so tiny. The relationships we established in our human experience, and that is what we call the world. My interactions, your interaction and all humankind interactions constitutes the world. However, that is like using the an expression that is in Choose Only Love that is like an a small and tiny space, you know, part of sand compared to the whole universe. So, however it is connected, you said, that tiny aspect of our interactions are connected with the vastness of the universe. And that is true because the, the other part of the universe with which we don’t have, you know, a relationship in our human consciousness is what we call the unconsciousness. And of course, it is related, one with the other one. So it is in this world, it is in this part of what we are aware of, where we recover the truth of who we are to, once we do that, in this world, in these tiny and small relationships that we establish with the vastness of the universe, it is here and now where we can allow the unconsciousness to become conscious, and we return to the totality.
Rick Archer: Sometimes, when I’ve been on an airplane, and I’m flying into a city, you know, either it’s nighttime, and you see all the twinkling lights, or it’s daytime, and you see all the little houses. And you know, sometimes I thought, I’ve just imagined the, all the lives being lived in each of those little houses, the dramas being played out, you know, and, and then, I mean, if you zoom out, let’s imagine you’re in the international space station orbiting the Earth every 90 minutes or so and, and, you know, imagine their perspective from what they see, or the guys who went to the moon and looked back on the earth and, you know, lost all that to them, it really seemed absurd that we have all these boundaries, and that we fight over everything. And then there’s a picture that Carl Sagan commented on, which is, he calls it’ pale blue dot’, where it’s a picture of the Earth taken from way out past Saturn or something, you know, by some Voyager spacecraft, or something like that. And he comments, you know, all the wars and all the catastrophes and all the dramas that have ever taken place, or people sort of fighting on this little pale blue dot, you know, and then you can take it out farther and look at a picture of an entire galaxy. And you know, which is incomprehensibly large. And I play this game with myself all the time zooming out, looking at pictures of galaxies and stuff. But it keeps things in perspective, as far as the sphere of one’s individual life compared to the magnitude of God’s life.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, and that is what we are, we are both of that we are this drama that we live in our human existence, that we, if we look at that, within the whole universe, in comparison with the vastness of creation, seems to be nothing. But it is not nothing, because it’s an expression of who we are. So it is the part in our existence in which we can become aware, because we come from unconsciousness, we come from forgetting who we are, at the definition of consciousness for Choose Only Love , and in this world, we become, can begin to remember, we came to this existence, I mean, to the human experience, to remember who we are, and to remember, individually and collectively , so we can, you know, take all the unconsciousness, and bring it to the love. So this tiny experience, as you mentioned, is so tiny compared to the vastness of the universe. But however, it is the perfect place where we can wake up and remember who we are, and to bring light to the rest of the universe, because that is something that that I received from the revelations. Our consciousness as human beings is so important because we are who will, in union with Christ, bring the whole universe to the light, through our consciousness through our human consciousness. So we aren’t going to bring the planet flowers, animals, and everything that exists into Christ with him.
Rick Archer: Yeah, that’s good. And what I what I would say to that is that the trick is to integrate boundaries and boundless. You know, we live our individual life, we have our individual friends and all this stuff. But at the same time, we’re cosmic. And, you know, our true status dwarfs the universe by comparison. It’s unbounded, it’s vast. And both of those qualities can be lived simultaneously.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, that reminds me our first interview when we talk about the paradox, where that was one of the conferences that you had. Yes, and I think it’s very important to keep that in mind that we are both, because what can happen is that we can become very cosmic so we lose, let’s say that our humanity will form or we can become too much human. so we lose our divine aspect. Let’s say so we are both the vastness of the universe and particular expression that we are at that particular expression is holy is important and has the power to bring all the creation into the light of Christ.
Rick Archer: Yeah, that’s a good point. I usually, it’s the second thing you said that we’re caught up in our individual life, and we don’t have the cosmic perspective. But I’ve actually heard some spiritual teachers get too heavy on the cosmic perspective and not take the, the individual perspective seriously enough, I want certain teachers, you know, say, it doesn’t matter what happens to the earth, because it’s just like a little speck of dust. Of course, it matters, what happens to the earth, and to the people living on it. That’s why Christ is so concerned and involved, you know, with, with what’s happening to humanity. And yeah, eventually the earth will be melted, you know, when the sun expands and becomes a red giant, but you know, all the souls will find a place to go. But in the meanwhile, we, we have an opportunity here to make the best of this place.
Sebastián Blaksley: Absolutely so that’s something that is very clear in Choose Only Love it is a call to integrate our humanity with our divine aspect. That’s the meaning of being the Christ that we truly are, we are both at the same time, and we cannot separate our divine aspect and our human aspects. So our body is, is holy and sacred, because it’s the gate through which I can access my divine aspect. So my humanity is the portal through which I can express who I am. And expression is so important because according to Choose Only Love, we need to express ourselves in order to know who we are, otherwise, we don’t know who we are. So our humanity is the way we express who we are. And there is no reason why I have the human experience and not be in love. So if we think that we are just divine, we can run the risk of having some kind of spiritual bypass. And that means that we don’t love our humanity. And something that I understood from the divine love is that the ‘Divine Love’ loves everything. And when it says everything, that means everything, so that means my humanity, my personal experience. So the call of Choose Only Love is to embrace our humanity, to order our humanity, and to, you know, bring that humanity into Christ so we can give it to him, and we can become the oneness that we truly are.
Rick Archer: Nice. I have a friend named Craig Holliday who wrote a book called Fully Human, Fully Divine.
Sebastián Blaksley: Absolutely. That’s the essence of Choose Only Love. And they were, their novelty that it brings is that we are ready to express that in our reality here and now, not only as individuals but collectively. It is a time in history according to Jesus, in which we can express the Christ that we are so fully divine, fully human. That is called ‘Homo-Christus Deo’, which is the third book of Choose Only Love series. That expression Homo-Christus Deo means what you said, fully divine, fully human being expressed here and now with the life that you have.
Rick Archer: Great. A few questions have come in. So I want to ask those I have about five questions to ask that have come in. And also, there’s some other main points that our friend Glenn sent in. So I want to be sure to cover those. So let’s, let’s pace ourselves, we have a little bit more than half an hour left, and we want to cover all these things. So Joe Irwin from Philadelphia is asking some people develop a relationship with Holy Spirit, rather than a more individualized entity, as you have described, how would you consider the role of Holy Spirit versus that of Jesus or Mary, or an archangel?
Sebastián Blaksley: Thank you for that question. In my case, I also have revelations directly from the Holy Spirit. It is more expressed and shown in other books than that series of Choose Only Love, and the Holy Spirit is a spirit that is expressed in a different way than Jesus Christ, or the Immaculate Mother Mary or Archangels, in my case, and the Holy Spirit is a being it’s a spirit is the spirit of love that come from Christ, I would say is one of the realities of heaven. And of course, he can talk to you as he talks to me. And sometimes, he just talks to us, because we just need to talk in terms of spiritual ways. The Holy Spirit is always a spirit. So it is beyond shape and forms. And sometimes the soul knows needs to talk in that way. That’s why the Holy Spirit comes to that person.
Rick Archer: Okay. Here’s a question from Bob Samuel in the Boston area. Your old stomping ground? Mine, too, I used to live there. Are you able to define how one identifies Church, the word church? Or the concept of church?
Sebastián Blaksley: I mean, how would you identify the concept of church?
Rick Archer: I don’t I don’t completely understand his question. I didn’t understand the question. Yeah, let’s skip it. Because I don’t know. Maybe Bob can clarify his question. But we would only be guessing to try to answer that one. Here’s a good one. This is from Ed Kelly. I interviewed an Ed Kelly recently, I wonder if this is the same guy. If I believe myself to be love, can I at the same time continue to work in the oil and gas, excuse me in the oil and gas industry, given what we now know about climate change? So let’s say you had a lucrative job in the oil and gas industry. Or let’s say you, you live in, well, you don’t live in Brazil, you live in Argentina, but you know, something that’s environmentally devastating, would you have to quit that job knowing what you now know or experiencing what you now experience of love.
Sebastián Blaksley: Once you know that you are loved you live in a new consciousness, love is consciousness, and it’s not a feeling or a belief or a thought is what you are, is a matter of identity. So once you are love, and you realize that you are love, immediately, everything in your life will be the related to love. If you understand that, that job is creating damage to others, your heart will tell you to quit that job. If you think that, that experience of your job is an opportunity to forgive others or to there can be a reason why you are there, you will follow after what love tells you, you will be listening to the voice of love and you will do everything that love tells you to do. But I would say that most of the time, love would tell you not to be part of that system. And the reason why I say this is because based on my experience, something that was shown to me is that we are always part of a big chain. And that chain can be chain of light chain of love or chain of fear. And you will see that very clearly. And you will never want to be part of the chain of fear or anything that is against love. So in that context I would say that you would quit that job.
Rick Archer: Yeah, I would say that theoretically, if you’re the CEO of Exxon or BP or something like that, you could say, ‘oh, Okay, folks, we’re going to completely change this business’. Or we’re going to, you know, basically, you know, shut down are our oil and gas business as quickly as possible and turn it all into, you know, a solar business, solar panels, windmills, we’re gonna get into alternative energies. And, in fact, BP now calls says that those initials stand for’ beyond petroleum’. But usually what happens, unfortunately, is these people, you know, they lobby the politicians to keep the oil and gas business thing going, or the coal, the coal and so on. And they resist and retard efforts to shift to clean technologies. So I’m being idealistic to imagine that, you know, executives in this company would, would be willing to rock the boat to that extent, or like the tobacco industry, I mean, theoretically, they could shut that down. And maybe they wouldn’t be as lucrative, but they could come up with something else that would, you know, use the same farmland to grow something healthy. I don’t know. I’m just being nutty, overly naive, I guess.
Sebastián Blaksley: Well, Jesus talks to me about that as well, because I was thinking about some times, and he said that the transformation will come from a new consciousness, it’s not something that is going to be done just because we think about that, or we concluded that this is a wrong way to do the things and we will change. It is going to be an effect of a new consciousness. So there will be an the universal phenomenon a universal art of consciousness in which we are all going to, let’s say, jump into a new consciousness, in that new consciousness of love, you would never do something that love would never do. So you don’t want to participate in anything that is against love, or something that is against you. So you will reject all of that, and you will find a way to solve that problem. Not because of your intelligence right now, but have a new consciousness, a new way of understanding everything.
Rick Archer: Yeah, good point. So and we can apply this to politics, too. You know, some people say, Well, why can’t this politician change everything or that politician change everything? Really, what we need is higher consciousness. And you know, a rising tide lifts all boats, and then the politicians will actually be able to work out the problems. But I think you could put Jesus Christ in the White House, and he would have a hard time-solving everything. If we have a low level of consciousness predominantly in the nation.
Sebastián Blaksley: Well, I don’t think he wouldn’t go,
Rick Archer: you think he would or would not go,
Sebastián Blaksley: He would not go because of the stage of consciousness, because the consciousness gives you a clearer vision of what you have to do in this moment, to extend the love that you are in humanity. There are some places in which you cannot do that, because they are still, you know, far away from the decision of being love. They have to wait in time in terms of being able to, to do that. It’s a matter of time. So Jesus Christ wouldn’t go there, in a timing which that part of the consciousness was not able to, to live in the light. Because he knows what part of the whole consciousness the whole universal consciousness is ready to shine with a light. And it is from that part, where the consciousness of love shines, to embrace other aspects of the creation. Let’s say like the creation is having one part with light and another part with darkness. And we have to make the light grow and grow and grow, to make the darkness disappear. So rather than trying to change politicians, we need to do our best to grow in terms of our consciousness of the true love that we truly are. The consciousness of Christ that I am will extend the light to others, and they will be able to return to the light because so the light that emanates from.
Rick Archer: Yeah, good point. It’s, yeah, just to reiterate, I think unless higher consciousness prevails in a society, it just won’t that society that those people just won’t be able to elect leaders who are truly wise who themselves reflect higher consciousness. You’re just going to continue to put crazy people in office if the collective consciousness itself is crazy.
Sebastián Blaksley: I agree with that, because it’s, everything is an effect of consciousness.
Rick Archer: Yeah.
Sebastián Blaksley: So if you are not in the if we are not in the consciousness of love, the effect will be something against love.
Rick Archer: Yeah. Here’s a question from Giovanni Spampinato, nice Irishman. from Pennsylvania, I’ve been on a journey to discover who I am for. And it is the only thing that matters to my heart. I want to know, if I am looking into God’s eyes, and I pray for this every day, I keep meditating, asking the same question over and over to God, or there are energies crossing my body that are at times very strong, but blissful. I need to get there. Any suggestions? The question is a little bit incoherent. But I think he’s saying he just has this yearning for God and, and for, you know, for living all the kinds of things we’ve been talking about today. And he just really wants that. And he’s experiencing blissful energies very strongly, sometimes. But he maybe feels he’s not there yet. Any suggestions for really getting there more profoundly?
Sebastián Blaksley: I would, I would say that that is that you are already there. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be thinking about that. Because sometimes it’s not about where we are in terms of our consciousness, but it is about understanding. If we don’t, aren’t there, we wouldn’t even look for that. When we seek the truth. When we look for love, it is because we know what love is and what the truth is. And that is because you are there it is in your longing where the truth is. So then rather, the longing in your longing when you desire something,
Rick Archer: Your what? you’re longing you’re longing, okay, good.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yeah, when you desire, I’m sorry, when you desire something with God, that desire is telling you something, you desire that because you are already there. That’s why Jesus says in Choose Only Love that your desire to love is where love resides. Because otherwise, we wouldn’t have that desire to love. So when you are not in the consciousness of love, you don’t desire to know what love is, if you don’t know who you are, you don’t desire to answer that question. So if you have that, desire those questions in your mind and your heart, that’s a perfect example that you already achieved that stage. That why Choose Only Love say that it is time of not looking for anymore. You already found it. Because you desire that so we can connect with our desire and understand that there is a knowledge in that desire, the knowledge have been already in where we decide. That’s good. Yeah, I think people can take heart if they if they have the longing, or the desire to know God or to reach Enlightenment or any of those things, the very fact that they’re thinking about that stuff. I don’t know if they’re fully already there as fully as they could be, but they’re at least close. I mean, maybe there’s a little bit more polishing of the dust off the mirror that needs to be done, but they’re in pretty good shape if they’re if this is a priority for them. Absolutely and according to Choose Only Love to Jesus you are already there. But I know we sometimes we need time to integrate that truth. And that is the difference. I’m sorry, that is the distance that we experience between the desire of God and being with Him. If you desire God from the bottom of your heart, that means that you are already with him. You already achieved that stage of consciousness, so there’s nothing else to look for. However, our thinking mind can start taking time to integrate that truth. But it is just your thinking mind. It’s just a tiny aspect of your soul, which is, you know, thinking about how can I be with God if I’m still human or so many different thoughts against the fact that you are already with him. But here is what Jesus says,’ If you desire to be with me, it is because you are already with me’.
Rick Archer: Yeah, and, you know, I mean, we can take examples of various saints, St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila, I mean, many of them went through a period of longing and yearning in which their fervor for God was really extraordinary. And, and then there was some kind of cleansing or purging or, you know, integration that had to take place, some dark night of the soul they had to go through before they really rested in the fullness of that experience. Or you think someone like Mother Teresa, you know, who devoted her whole life to Jesus, and to serving the poor and the sick and all that stuff. But then she, she and her posthumous writings revealed that, you know, she had all these doubts, and you know, and so on. Anyway, I think there can always be more fullness, more growth, you know, you can be content. And yet there can be even greater fullness of that, don’t you think?
Sebastián Blaksley: In that, in that case, doubt, come from our thinking mind what we call the ‘thinking mind’ in Choose Only Love. So that’s why it’s so important for Choose Only Love to go to your heart. Maybe you don’t know whether you are with God or not up, and maybe you have doubts about that. But you certainly know that, what you desire, you know what you feel, if you desire to be one with God, you can keep in that feeling, keeping your heart, and you will, step by step, little by little, you will recover the capability to understand the language of your heart. And when you remember the language of your heart, you will remember the language of love. And in that language, you will know with certainty that you are already with Christ. So when you have doubt, that means that your mind is telling you something, and your heart is telling you something different. And you are called to get into the language of your heart, to tell your mind what the truth is, and till the moment in which you get into the integrity of your being. And in that moment, your mind and your heart will think and talk in the same way. At so far, if there is a difference between what your mind says and what your heart tells you. The truth is in your heart, and in your heart, we know what we feel, we feel thirsty of God. And that is because we are already with him. No matter what the thinking mind says.
Rick Archer: Well, I’m glad you made that distinction. Because, you know, when you say to somebody, you’re already there, most people are gonna say, ‘I don’t feel like I’m already there. What’s missing’? But then when you explain it, you say, Okay, well step by step, little by little, you know, your heart and mind are going to come into congruence with one another, and you’ll settle into the, the true experience of it, then that, that gives hope to people. I mean, they’re, they’re teachers of Eastern systems who say, ‘Oh, you’re already enlightened, you don’t have to do anything. You know, just realize you’re already enlightened’. And the average person listens to that, and they just don’t get it. And so there’s this debate that goes on between the direct and the progressive paths. And I’d say that each has something to offer. It’s true, ultimately, that we’re already there, whatever we want to define there as, but it’s also true that, but here’s a good quote from some Zen teacher, he said to his students, ‘you’re all perfect, just as you are. But you could all use some improvement’.
Sebastián Blaksley: That’s a great expression. Yes, and Choose Only Love says, or talks about that in a different ways telling us that love and truth are infinite. So we are always able to love more and to know more about the truth. So it is a growing happiness and growing love a growing truth, because love is endless. So we can always grow in terms of how to love in perfect way
Rick Archer: Good, here’s this question from Cal Brown in Sydney, Australia, with Sebastian discussed the overarching theme of his angelic messages that the second coming of Christ Consciousness has begun on Earth and nothing will stop it. How will this phenomena express or manifest itself worldwide? How do people know if they have been touched by this event or how can they contribute to its loving extension?
Sebastián Blaksley: That is going to be an it is being a matter of consciousness of universal consciousness. So rather than knowing about that with our thinking mind, we are going to live that more and more. So no one can escape from this universal new consciousness. So the universal consciousness is bringing light to all of us. And we are expressing that new consciousness with our humanity. Nothing can stop that because it’s part of the new creation, and that is conducted by Christ. So the only thing we can do is to be part of that. We are all in part of that, because we decided to come to the earth in this time and space to co create that new consciousness with Christ. So everyone is participating in this new consciousness.
Rick Archer: There are a few points that Glenn, your publisher thought we should talk about. One is, he said, and we don’t have too much time left, we have the little bit over 10 minutes, especially now that Easter is near. I think the topics discussed in healing and Resurrection are timely. You remember that those topics? And that said, yes,
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, I remember. That is the title of one chapter of Choose Only Love , and it talks that we are now in the time of the resurrection, the resurrection, to the truth of who we are. Christ always tells us about the issue of identity in Choose Only Love . For Choose Only Love when you know who you are, you are already resurrected to the truth. Once you know that, you are love and nothing else, but love, every healing comes to you. You cannot be not healed if you live by the truth. So we are in a time in which the love that we are, is healing the world and is healing us as well. That’s why in this time of history, human beings are much more aware of that capability of healing. And we see so many manifestation of healers and healing ways all over the world. If we compare this with 1000s, and 1000s of years ago, we see healing expressions all over the world. And that is because the healing power of our consciousness is being manifested as part of what love is doing with the whole creation through us. So we are in a time of healing in the time of resurrection. So the call from Choose Only Love is to accept that, that we are already resurrected to the truth, because we know who we are. And once we know who we are, we know that Christ and I are the same and one and, that is the reality and the truth that we heal the world. Now, the point is, you know, a lot of people are concerned about Ukraine and the world crisis and possibility of the expansion of that conflict and so on. And so Glenn thought that we should talk a little bit about global transformation. And I think we already have, but we can say more about it. One thing I would, maybe you could say is where do you imagine the world being at 100 years from now? Or 50 years from now? Whatever timeline you wish. You know, I mean, throughout recorded history, there have been wars, the famines and plagues and all kinds of problems. Most people probably assume that it’s going to continue like that. Do you really envision a somewhat utopian world in within No, no how long a time, a generation or two? From my point of view, from my understanding and the revelation that I receive, I see a world of light, I see a world of growing and growing every day in love, and peace, and a world that is going to finally, express the love that we truly are .’The son of the light’, which is an expression that Choose Only Love uses, according to our Immaculate Mother Mary are already here in this kingdom, and they are shining with, with the light of Christ. And that is what is going to be the reality of this world. So we are with be witness of the very end of the ego mind, in our reality in our earthly reality. And I see a world of light of love, and peace and a world more united to God.
Rick Archer: Good, Glenn’s, final point here is that, and we’ve talked about all these things a little bit, but you can always add a little bit more said, you know, given the awakening recognition that the dominance of the thinking mind is essentially the problem rather than the solution. I think this topic will to be of interest as articulated in wisdom, freewill and willingness.
Sebastián Blaksley: One of the revelations that Choose Only Love brings is that rather than thinking that there is something wrong in our mind or in in our humanity, we can think that everything can be integrated into love. So it is all about who you are. Your mind will think, as an effect of what you believe you are. When you believe that you are not love your mind with follow up to that because your mind is a servant. It’s always tasked with you ask it to do for you. So if you tell your mind constantly deep from your heart, that you are a miserable sinner, or there’s something wrong with you, or not enough, not good enough, then your mind will reflect that. But once you accept that you are divine, that you are holy, that you are love, just because you have been created by God and you are united to him, and you merge your being with Christ, then your mind will follow after that. And the effect of that is going to be thoughts of love. And your free will is going to be you know, converging into love. So it is not about our thinking mind or our free will or our heart is all about ‘who I am’ and how we answer that question.
Rick Archer: One point I think we touched on this in the first interview, or no, it may not have been it may have been in your book, you said that everything is alive by virtue of God pervading and living through us. And I really liked that. And it’s not that when we die, God leaves us because God is omnipresent as I understand and feel God is. So God is present in a dead body as in a living body. But that which we call life, you know the life of a person or of a cat, or of a flower or anything else. There’s a certain consciousness, which is really the consciousness of God functioning through that particular instrument or reflecting through that particular instrument. And so when you were saying earlier, and today, that, you know, ‘we already are that and you know, you’re already one with God’ and everything, that to me is a way of understanding that. And at least we can understand it intellectually. And if we can understand it intellectually, that God is omnipresent , therefore, God must permeate or pervade whatever we are, then perhaps that’s an aid in having be a living experience, rather than just an intellectual understanding.
Sebastián Blaksley: You’re right, because now most of the time we try to understand thru our thinking mind but what we call death is a new consciousness. So we start to understand through our consciousness, not only with our thinking mind. And this is something that can happen even with this body. We believe in this human experience that we think about ourselves because of this body. And we act, as we act because of this body, but that is simply not true. Something, there is something before or beyond our body, which is our identity. So and our body just does whatever we have asked it to do. So our identity, what we believe about who we are, and our relationship with Christ is not going to change because I’m dying or not. It’s going to change because I change it with my consciousness. And in that sense, to Choose Only Love says that nothing happens when we die because we are to being who we are. And that part of who we are, can never change
Rick Archer: And can never die. Well, that might be,
Sebastián Blaksley: And also, there is one chapter in which it talks about the lack of capacity of the world to change who you are. Nothing that you have experienced in this world, changed the essence of who you who you are. And that is what you are going to realize, when we die. When we die, we are going to experience who we are with our consciousness, and it’s not going to be an interpretation, it’s going to be a direct knowledge. And that is the way of living of our true self.
Rick Archer: Yeah, that’s why I like to sometimes interview near death experience people, because they’ve really had a glimpse of the undying nature of who we are. And, and very often, they didn’t believe in any such thing before their near-death experience. But then when they had it, it completely shifted their perspective. So if you read some of those books, or listen to some of those interviews, I have a whole section in the categorical index, on BatGap of such people. It definitely broadens your perspective, deepens your perspective.
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, and there is something common on all of them according to what I read, and I watch on videos, which is that they know that they keep being who they are, they don’t experience any change in what they are, no matter whether the experience is different or not. They are still being who they used to be who they will be forever and ever.
Rick Archer: And, in fact, they very often experience themselves in a much more profound way. They’re still the same person, but their capacity for understanding and perception expands significantly. And
Sebastián Blaksley: Because they
Rick Archer: changes their lives,
Sebastián Blaksley: Because they start to understand through the consciousness instead from the interpretation of our thinking mind.
Rick Archer: Right , Right. Okay, well this has been great. You’ve written this seven-book series ‘Choose Only Love’ and I’ll have a link to it on your page on BatGap. Are you still writing? I mean, you’re a young man, you’ve got a lot, a lot of time ahead of you, you got to keep getting messages and writing book series, do you think?
Sebastián Blaksley: Yes, I keep receiving and after Choose Only Love there will be another expression, which is so far is going to be called ‘Trilogy of the Heart’, which are three books. And then there is another book, which is coming right now, which is particularly focus on the age of the heart. So yes, heaven is still giving us messages, and it wants to share with others,
Rick Archer: They still have a lot of lead and your pencil. God calls you his pencil.
Sebastián Blaksley: Thank you for asking.
Rick Archer: Yeah, great. Well, thank you for spending the time with us. It’s been a real joy. And you’ll be making this you’ll be doing a Spanish translation of this too, not in audio, but at least in writing. So if anyone listening to this Spanish as their native language, and they’d like to read our dialogue in Spanish will that’ll be available after a while. There’ll be a link to it on BatGap. Anything else you’d like to say in conclusion?
Sebastián Blaksley: Thank you very much.
Rick Archer: You’re welcome. So thank you so much and thank you to those who’ve been listening or watching next week. If she’s back from Poland, I’ll be interviewing a woman named Shelly Tygielski, who is a yoga teacher. And she’s been over in Poland helping Ukrainian refugees. And there’s a nice example of love inaction. So that’s, that’s our next one. And if there’s an upcoming interviews page on BatGap, where you can see what we’ve got scheduled, they’re scheduled up into about June now. So I’ll see you for the next one. Thanks, Sebastian.
Sebastián Blaksley: Thank you, Rick. Have a wonderful day ahead.
Rick Archer: You too.