R: Consciousness permeates everything and when you are a jnani you are aware of the dreamless state, you’re in the dreamless state but you are aware of it. The ordinary is person is consciousness when they’re asleep and dreamless sleep they’re not aware of it, that’s the only difference.
S: Oh so it’s just a matter of…
R: Levels, it’s a matter of levels of enlightenment.
S: So a Jnani is conscious during dream, dreamless sleep.
R: A Jnani is always in dreamless sleep but is aware of it.