663. Brian Thomas Swimme

Brian Thomas Swimme did his doctoral work in gravitational dynamics in the Department of Mathematics at the University of Oregon. From the publication of The Universe Is a Green Dragon to the Emmy Award–winning PBS documentary Journey of the Universe, Swimme has articulated the cosmology of a creative universe, one in which human intelligence plays an essential role.

For three decades as a professor in the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, he taught evolutionary cosmology to graduate students in the humanities. Currently he is director of the Third Story of the Universe at Human Energy, a nonprofit public benefit organization.

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Transcript of this interview

Interview recorded September 18, 2022

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YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Brian Thomas Swimme and Cosmology
  • 00:03:59 – Two Meanings of Cosmologist
  • 00:08:00 – The Relationship Between Human Mind and the Universe
  • 00:12:49 – The Power of Scientific Knowledge in Understanding Ourselves
  • 00:16:55 – The Color of the Universe
  • 00:20:55 – The Nature of Laws and the Mystery of the Universe
  • 00:25:36 – The Ontology of Intelligence and Consciousness
  • 00:29:10 – The Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness and the Experience of Reality
  • 00:34:14 – The Ontological Connection between Individuals and the Universe
  • 00:38:50 – The Interplay of Science and Spirituality
  • 00:42:17 – The Mystery of Mathematics and Science
  • 00:46:22 – The Influence of Teilhard de Chardin and Thomas Berry
  • 00:50:12 – The Interdependence of Science and Spirituality
  • 00:53:43 – The Noosphere: United Humanity and Earth’s Evolution
  • 00:58:46 – The Special Quality of Humanity and Symbolic Consciousness
  • 01:03:50 – The Dark Age and the Loss of Knowledge
  • 01:07:45 – Ignorance of Extinction
  • 01:10:57 – Co-evolution of Technology and Spirituality
  • 01:15:02 – Becoming beings who see the whole first
  • 01:19:50 – The Bhagavad Gita and Being Established in Action
  • 01:23:55 – The Vast Intelligence Within You
  • 01:27:25 – The Noosphere in Action
  • 01:32:05 – The Noosphere as a Collective Consciousness
  • 01:35:24 – Deepening Collective Intelligence
  • 01:38:19 – The Dream of the Earth and Integral Ecology
  • 01:43:30 – Embracing Change: A Deep Change of Heart and Mind
  • 01:46:42 – A Breaking of Symmetry in the Early Universe
  • 01:50:50 – The Incessant Creativity of the Universe
  • 01:54:52 – Matter’s Intrinsic Property of Self-Organization
  • 01:59:13 – The Excitement of Matter and Spiritual Development
  • 02:02:39 – A Round-Trip from Tacoma to Berkeley

604. Ilia Delio

Ilia DelioIlia Delio, OSF holds the Josephine C. Connelly Chair in Christian Theology at Villanova University. Her area of research is Science and Religion with interests in artificial intelligence, evolution, quantum physics, and the import of these for Christian doctrine and life. She holds a doctorate in Pharmacology from Rutgers University, Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences, and a doctorate in Historical Theology from Fordham University. She is the author of over twenty books including Making All things New (Catholicity in an Evolving Universe), a finalist for the 2019 Michael Ramsey Prize and The Unbearable Wholeness of Being: God, Evolution, and the Power of Love, for which she won the 2014 Silver Nautilus Book Award and a 2014 Catholic Press Association Book Award in Faith and Science. Her latest book is Re-Enchanting the Earth: Why AI Needs Religion. She is the founder of the Center for Christogenesis, an online educational resource for promoting the vision of Teilhard de Chardin and, more broadly, the integration of science and religion in the 21st century.

Some of the main points discussed in this conversation.

  • What is God?
  • As we enter the mystery of God, language fails us, and the mystery grasps us all the more.
  • The mystery of God is the same mystery at the heart of physics.
  • There’s nothing outside the existence of God. God is existence itself.
  • God’s love is so infinite that there is nothing in this creation that’s un-loveable or unloved by God.
  • This is a finite creation. Wherever there are boundaries there is the possibility of suffering.  Suffering and death are part of the life cycle.
  • Reincarnation discussion. Are multiple incarnations sequential or simultaneous?
  • A deep experience of the mystery of God supports the freedom to speculate, dream, and imagine.
  • Science and religion need one another in order to fully understand the world.
  • The necessity and drawbacks of specialization and the complexification of knowledge.
  • If our hearts are grounded in holy mystery we become more fully God-like in our actions.
  • Humanity won’t have a sustainable future unless we renew the deeper dimension in our lives.
  • Cyborgs and transhumanism
  • The mutually beneficial relationship between spiritual and material technologies.
  • A profound spiritual transformation is underway.
  • Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s idea of a new religion of the earth, retaining the wisdom of the past but creating something new for the future.
  • Wherever in the universe intelligent life exists, it will search for ultimate intelligence.
  • Intelligent design
  • The core energy of the universe – God – is love. The force that creates stars is the same force that manifests as love in humans.
  • Love is the highest knowledge. In the evening of life, we shall be judged on love alone.
  • Making love the lens through which we see all of life.
  • “The more I am in union with another, the more I am in touch with myself because it’s the core of myself that’s in union.”
  • What might the world be like if everyone were enlightened?

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Transcript of this interview.

Interview recorded June 26, 2021.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:03:18 – The Scope of Topics to Be Discussed
  • 00:05:49 – The Name of God and Absolute Mystery
  • 00:08:11 – The Ineffable Mystery of God
  • 00:11:27 – The Nature of Consciousness and God
  • 00:14:50 – God as the Consciousness of Consciousness
  • 00:18:04 – The Trinity and God’s Creative Potential
  • 00:21:45 – Realizing our Divine Potential
  • 00:25:43 – The Mystery of Matter and God’s Creative Activity
  • 00:29:12 – Matter and Divine Activity
  • 00:35:08 – The Beauty of Life and the Wholeness of Being
  • 00:39:32 – Quantum Entanglement and Multiple Realms of Existence
  • 00:44:23 – The Unity of Science and Religion
  • 00:48:26 – The Tethering of Religion and Spirituality
  • 00:53:05 – The Fragmentation of Knowledge and the Necessity for Spiritual Fulfillment
  • 00:58:00 – Gods and Robots: The Intersection of Spirituality and Technology
  • 01:01:27 – The Unhelpful Dynamic
  • 01:08:20 – A New Type of Science in the Future
  • 01:15:04 – The Allure of Transhumanism
  • 01:18:40 – The Mixed Blessing of Technologies
  • 01:21:53 – Technology and Spirituality
  • 01:25:47 – The Technology of Spirituality
  • 01:28:35 – A New Type of Collective Consciousness
  • 01:32:30 – Creating a New Type of Religious Sensibility
  • 01:36:13 – The Existence of Intelligent Life on Other Planets
  • 01:40:10 – Rethinking Intelligent Design
  • 01:47:35 – The Ultimate Reality of Love
  • 01:53:28 – The Happiness Index and the Consciousness of Shared Being
  • 01:56:58 – Imagining a World of Love
  • 01:59:49 – The Health of the Planet

544. Jonathan Gustin

Jonathan GustinMeditation asks, “Who am I?”

Therapy asks, “How do I heal and become happier?”

Purpose work addresses the question, “Where do I belong in the ecology of life?”

Purpose guiding breaks the spell of our default purposes of safety, security, comfort and outward success, and orients us towards our true purpose, which is to embody our unique calling within.

When we all have the opportunity to live our calling, we can support our collective true purpose: to become co-creators of our species’ evolution. We may, thus, give birth to more beauty, truth, and goodness into the world.

Jonathan Gustin, M.A, MFT, is the founder of Purpose Guides Institute. He guides people to find and embody their life’s purpose, as well as trains those who want to become Purpose Guides themselves. Jonathan has been a psychotherapist, meditation teacher, and Purpose Guide for over 20 years. He is an adjunct professor at JFK University and co-author of Purpose Rising: A Global Movement of Transformation and Meaning with Ken Wilber, Erwin Laszlo, and others.

Website: purposeguides.org

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Transcript of this interview.

Interview recorded April 3, 2020.

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

YouTube Video Chapters:

  • 00:00:00 – Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump
  • 00:07:24 – Early Interest in Enlightenment
  • 00:14:49 – Discovering Your Deeper Purpose
  • 00:19:34 – Finding Purpose in Your Work
  • 00:23:26 – Finding Your Soul’s Purpose
  • 00:27:27 – Illumination through Different Roles and Identities
  • 00:30:58 – The Power of Imagination and Soul Identity
  • 00:34:33 – The Mysterious Nature of the Soul
  • 00:38:17 – The Rootedness of Soul in Time and Place
  • 00:42:11 – Regression Therapy and Life Between Lives
  • 00:46:35 – Finding the Deepest Joy in Life
  • 00:50:13 – Living your purpose in any circumstance
  • 00:55:10 – The Tamp Down of Soul Upwelling
  • 00:59:53 – Hitler’s Twisted Purpose
  • 01:04:06 – Finding the Sweet Spot
  • 01:07:40 – Finding Purpose and Living Authentically
  • 01:13:00 – Default Purpose and Finding Your Calling
  • 01:17:00 – The Journey to Soul and Purpose
  • 01:21:31 – The Avatar and the Earth Suit
  • 01:25:25 – The Movement of Enlightenment
  • 01:29:59 – The Book Club with Adya
  • 01:34:03 – The Competing Commitments and Addictions of Purpose
  • 01:37:28 – Living Your Purpose
  • 01:41:27 – Living Your Soul’s Purpose
  • 01:45:00 – The Tsunami of Climate Change
  • 01:48:33 – Climate Change as Spiritual Practice
  • 01:52:55 – Practical Work and Finding Your Purpose
  • 01:57:06 – The Journey of Personal Transformation
  • 02:00:26 – Finding Your Core Purpose and Thriving
  • 02:04:14 – Finding Safety and Expressing Concerns
  • 02:07:13 – Conclusion and Farewell