WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:25.000 [Music] 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:30.920 Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. I'm Rick Archer. Buddha at the Gas Pump is an 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:36.700 ongoing series of conversations with spiritually awakening people. We've done 00:00:36.700 --> 00:00:42.400 nearly 700 of them now. 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If they're meant to see us, they'll see us." 00:03:17.320 --> 00:03:24.880 Yeah. Angels can be very cheerful as well, you know, funny as well. They're not all the time 00:03:24.880 --> 00:03:30.000 serious. I heard you say they have a sense of humor. Can you give us an example of some funny 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:36.720 encounters you've had with angels? Well, I suppose sometimes when I'm feeling myself a bit down, 00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:42.200 down, angels would just start dancing around me, or they might say something funny. But 00:03:42.200 --> 00:03:47.760 sometimes when I see that someone else is down, I would often see the angels, how would 00:03:47.760 --> 00:03:53.960 I say it, holding a light in front of them to help them to see the light. But sometimes, 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.800 I don't know how to describe this, I would see the angels reach out to touch them. Now 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.920 this wouldn't be their guardian angel, reach out to touch them. And sometimes I would see 00:04:03.920 --> 00:04:11.440 suddenly somebody would look up and give a smile. So I know whatever they were doing helped to cheer 00:04:11.440 --> 00:04:18.800 them up. They're always helping to cheer us up and sometimes a guardian angel will get someone else to 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:25.760 say something kind or funny to someone that is feeling down and that's all part of the interaction 00:04:25.760 --> 00:04:32.000 with the angels as well and the human being. Nice. I mentioned in the introduction that I read that 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:38.960 you see various subtle beings and Ireland of course is famous for elves and leprechauns and things like 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:44.400 that. Do you sometimes see those little characters and do they, they're kind of notorious for being 00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:51.840 mischievous and playful? Well I suppose Ireland has a great Celtic tradition in that way about 00:04:51.840 --> 00:04:58.960 the little people and I guess where all of that came from as well was before the first people 00:04:58.960 --> 00:05:04.960 came to Ireland, there was already people living on this land, but they were very tiny. And we still 00:05:04.960 --> 00:05:11.040 have some people, like I'm only barely five foot, but there's still some people fully grown, 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:15.680 and they're smaller than me in that way. And yes, they're always very cheerful. 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:21.200 Pete: Kind of like the Bushmen of South Africa. So, your books had a lovely effect on me. 00:05:21.760 --> 00:05:28.800 I felt as I was listening to them, I listened to them in audio, that they conveyed the purity 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:35.640 and innocence that someone must have in order to have the kind of perception that you have. 00:05:35.640 --> 00:05:40.760 And that, it felt like it had enhanced my own purity or my own innocence a little bit 00:05:40.760 --> 00:05:42.640 to hear the books. 00:05:42.640 --> 00:05:43.640 That was lovely. 00:05:43.640 --> 00:05:47.920 But I think for many people, you know, many people are cynical and the world appears bleak 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:53.680 and lifeless and meaningless and dead and gray and depressing and so on. Have you ever gone 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:58.080 through a phase where it appeared that way to you, or has your subtle perception always 00:05:58.080 --> 00:06:02.880 made it appear divine, ultimately, even if you're going through difficult times? 00:06:02.880 --> 00:06:10.880 >> Well, many a time, I went through a very, very hard time, and I would feel down, and 00:06:10.880 --> 00:06:16.440 I would give out to God and the angels. But always, my prayers were answered. I always 00:06:16.440 --> 00:06:23.000 got the help in the end, even though it was extremely hard. It's like one Christmas literally 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:31.000 having nothing from Santa Claus for the children. And out of the blue, you would say to yourself, 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:37.680 how could that happen? A car on my way home, as I was pushing one of my sons in the pram, 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:42.720 pulled in and stopped and just said, "We've some toys here in the boot of the car and we're 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.800 trying to get rid of them, would you like them? Nice, yeah, I remember that from your book. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:53.840 And just, yeah, just talk to them. And I suppose one thing I've always taught my children is, 00:06:53.840 --> 00:06:59.760 well, because of that day, I would say to them, try and be Santa Claus for someone else 00:06:59.760 --> 00:07:09.520 in that way. So, God and the angels help us all of the time, and I know for me this is all normal, 00:07:09.520 --> 00:07:12.720 you know, I don't know what it's like for 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.840 you. 00:07:15.840 --> 00:07:18.000 Like, if I go out in the street and see 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.240 somebody walking down the street, 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.080 I will see the angels with them, and maybe 00:07:22.080 --> 00:07:25.200 even the soul of a loved one. 00:07:25.200 --> 00:07:28.080 But it's normal. I don't know what 00:07:28.080 --> 00:07:29.040 it's like for you just to see only the 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.160 human being 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:32.800 as such, and not to see the angels as well 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.680 physically, 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:36.640 or the soul of a loved one. Now, I can't 00:07:36.640 --> 00:07:38.960 see your angel 00:07:36.640 --> 00:07:41.040 on the screen, that rarely happens. You 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:42.560 can or cannot? I cannot. 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:44.560 Okay, I was going to ask you that. Do you 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.320 see them over Zoom and things? 00:07:48.320 --> 00:07:51.360 No, no, that would very rarely happen. 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.680 That would happen very rarely, and but I 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:55.600 know if I was ever out on the streets 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.040 or walking somewhere or in another 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.680 country, 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.200 I've been in so many places and everywhere 00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:03.680 I have been, 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.520 I have seen the guardian angel with every 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:09.280 single human being. And to me, that's a great comfort. Some people would say to me that it's 00:08:09.280 --> 00:08:15.840 a great comfort to them as well. Everybody has a guardian angel, you know, that beautiful guardian 00:08:15.840 --> 00:08:24.240 angel that never leaves them for one second at all. And I just love the way our guardian angels 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:30.320 love us unconditionally and don't judge us. Even if you're doing something that's wrong, 00:08:30.320 --> 00:08:37.520 your guardian angel won't judge you, but it'll try and, what would I say, not for you what is wrong. 00:08:37.520 --> 00:08:40.320 Pete Yes, I have a lot of questions about that. 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:46.560 Let's try to establish a definition of what an angel is. My understanding is that creation 00:08:46.560 --> 00:08:52.640 exists in layers or strata or dimensions from gross to subtle to transcendent, and that angels 00:08:52.640 --> 00:08:59.920 would dwell in some level of the subtle dimension, but still be able to perceive and interact with our 00:08:59.920 --> 00:09:03.920 gross reality. Is that your understanding, or is that correct? 00:09:03.920 --> 00:09:09.680 >> To me, it wouldn't be my understanding in that way, because you have to remember, 00:09:09.680 --> 00:09:16.880 I'm dyslexic. I haven't been educated, probably like yourself, so I don't read or anything like 00:09:16.880 --> 00:09:24.320 that, because I can't do that, and I never have. When people used to ask me about the 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:29.600 Guardian Angels and all angels, 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.240 I used to feel a bit embarrassed, 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:33.440 not for people, but for the angels 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.680 themselves, 00:09:35.680 --> 00:09:39.120 because what I was told to say was that 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.920 God created angels long, long ago. 00:09:41.920 --> 00:09:43.200 I don't know how long ago, and that they 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.960 are creatures. 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.880 They're not like us. We have this soul 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:55.520 and the Angels have us on a pedestal way above them, where humanly we always put the Angels 00:09:55.520 --> 00:10:02.080 on a pedestal in that way, and that is because we have a soul, that spark of light of God. 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:10.560 That's the only difference I know between Angels, ourselves, and God, because that's the way I was 00:10:10.560 --> 00:10:17.920 told to say it. Angels were created long, long ago, and they're not like us, and call them 00:10:17.920 --> 00:10:24.720 creatures. So I don't know why that word, and that was the word that I was embarrassed to say 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:29.840 of hurting the angels, if you understand. I didn't want to hurt them, but... 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:34.320 >> And hurt their feelings or something. >> Yeah, but I was told I must say it. 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:41.760 I only can tell you what I know, I can't tell you anything else. And I know you're saying this like 00:10:41.760 --> 00:10:48.720 layers and layers. I never see it that way. That's the difference. I never see it that way, even with 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:57.360 Archangel Michael. I know he's in charge of a lot of things, but I never see Archangel Michael, 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:03.680 or I have never seen any angel, what would you say, being authoritative to another angel. 00:11:03.680 --> 00:11:11.240 All I can say is, in one sense, it's like there's such peace and love, so much understanding. 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:17.280 It's not like the way our world is, the way we are, "I'm the boss, you're to do what I 00:11:17.280 --> 00:11:20.880 say, you're not good enough." 00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:24.840 There's none of that at all, and to me that is incredible. 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:30.960 Yeah, they just play their roles naturally, I guess, and each in its place, and nobody 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.440 have to push them around for them to do the right thing. 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:39.080 >> Yeah, I have never, never seen that, so I can't agree with someone or anyone that 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.040 might say, "Well, it must happen that way." 00:11:43.040 --> 00:11:46.720 But I suppose we look on everything in a human way. 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:51.920 >> You mentioned that angels consider humans superior to them because we have souls and 00:11:51.920 --> 00:11:53.420 they don't. 00:11:53.420 --> 00:11:59.080 And you also say that animals don't have souls, and I guess maybe we should define what a soul 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:00.080 is. 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:06.560 way I can define it for you is that a 00:12:06.560 --> 00:12:09.520 soul is that spark of light of God and 00:12:09.520 --> 00:12:12.160 it's so, so tiny. It's like a spark off a 00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:15.280 piece of wood or a piece of turf. It's 00:12:15.280 --> 00:12:18.400 really, really tiny and yet it fills 00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:20.720 every part of us and it's out there. It's 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.840 like for that reason that angels have 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.560 awesome pedestals and why your guardian 00:12:26.560 --> 00:12:29.360 angel doesn't leave you for one second 00:12:26.560 --> 00:12:30.160 and why it's the gatekeeper of your soul. 00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:31.920 It never, never leaves you. 00:12:31.920 --> 00:12:35.280 And why other angels even love to come and go 00:12:35.280 --> 00:12:38.480 to give you a helping hand in other ways. 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:42.800 And I know it upset people a huge amount 00:12:42.800 --> 00:12:46.280 when I said, sometimes somebody would ask me, 00:12:46.280 --> 00:12:49.200 "I loved my dog so much, it must have a soul. 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.000 It gives me so much love and affection." 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.760 And your dog doesn't have a soul. 00:12:55.760 --> 00:13:02.640 I know that's very upsetting for people, but if you love that animal dearly, God will have it in 00:13:02.640 --> 00:13:11.360 heaven for you when your time comes, because you loved it. And we have taught animals how to, 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:18.960 how would you say, I'd watch a person, it's lovely to see, give love to an animal. It's like this 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:25.520 radiant light comes from a person, and it's just so beautiful to watch an animal give it back. 00:13:25.520 --> 00:13:33.600 And we have to remember that creation is still happening, and God is still creating. So, 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:40.880 if God at any time wanted every animal in the world to be in that place we call heaven, 00:13:40.880 --> 00:13:45.280 it's just a word we use, heaven, I know that would be so. 00:13:45.280 --> 00:13:51.680 >> But angels, they are sentient beings of some kind. They are conscious, they perceive, 00:13:51.680 --> 00:13:57.840 they have senses of humor, they have personalities, and so on. And God is all-pervading, is it not? 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:07.840 >> God has ever only shown me his love. Literally, only love and compassion and everything like that. 00:14:08.400 --> 00:14:14.400 And they're the gifts that every human being today in the world are looking for. 00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:17.920 That compassion, for that love, for that hope, for that peace. 00:14:17.920 --> 00:14:25.120 And I say to everyone, everyone has all those things inside of you because of your soul, 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.560 but we can't go into a supermarket to buy them. 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:29.600 They're not for sale. 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.360 So you have to love you so you can love others. 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.120 Now I know you respect different traditions and religions. 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:42.320 and you do say that perhaps the time will come when all religions are just completely harmonious with 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:48.080 one another, but obviously different religious traditions have different teachings. In some 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:53.680 traditions, it's thought that souls actually evolved from lower life forms such as animals to 00:14:53.680 --> 00:15:00.080 higher, like humans, and some people believe that Hinduism and Buddhism believes in reincarnation, 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:06.240 and some people believe that reincarnation was part of Christianity in the early days. 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:16.000 And so, how do you reconcile differences of teachings in different religions like this? 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:21.680 Do you have a sort of a firm belief that it has to be, you know, this way, or do you feel like 00:15:21.680 --> 00:15:24.880 some a little bit theoretical about some of these ideas? 00:15:24.880 --> 00:15:31.680 >> I suppose I can only all the time tell everyone what God and the angels have taught me. 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:41.200 I can't do anymore. And yet, I would have all different faiths come to talks, even Buddhists 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.000 and all, because I can remember them in the audience, and they still come up for the blessing 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:51.600 and everything like that, all different faiths. And I think that's wonderful because 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:59.440 we all have to come together, regardless of what our beliefs are. I would never say to anyone, 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:05.440 don't put your beliefs to one side. You know, I would never condemn anyone if that's what they 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:14.640 believe now. I can only give the message and then it's up to yourself. In time, I have had many 00:16:14.640 --> 00:16:22.000 priests and sometimes bishops and sometimes imams and sometimes, I don't know all the names of the 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.560 different 00:16:26.560 --> 00:16:27.920 religions, ministers and all come and 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:31.040 ask me 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:33.120 a question that I actually got a terrible 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.280 shock when they asked, 00:16:35.280 --> 00:16:36.240 and that was when they asked me, was God 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:37.360 real? 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.360 Even though they were priests or 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.560 ministers or something? Yeah, 00:16:42.560 --> 00:16:44.320 and rabbis, and I know there's loads of 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.040 names and imams and 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:49.040 Right, so they had doubts. Yeah, and 00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:50.720 I was shocked the first time I was asked 00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:56.960 that because I felt, "But aren't you the head of a particular religion? Surely you know God is real." 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:03.760 In that way, they would just ask, "Lorna, is God real?" And I have to say to you, "Yes. No matter 00:17:03.760 --> 00:17:11.360 what you believe, God is real." >> Sometimes God is portrayed in a way that might actually 00:17:11.360 --> 00:17:15.840 shake people's faith because they feel like, "Well, if God is all compassionate and loving, 00:17:15.840 --> 00:17:20.800 and how could he be killing all these people or doing things like that? So, maybe that's what 00:17:20.800 --> 00:17:25.680 creates doubts in some of these people. >> I think, yeah, that would create doubt, 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:31.600 but you have to remember one thing, and that is that it's not God that's killing all those people, 00:17:31.600 --> 00:17:37.600 it's ourselves. Us, humanly, are doing it. >> Well, you know, stories like Sodom and Gomorrah, 00:17:37.600 --> 00:17:44.320 where the whole city gets wiped out, and stuff like that. >> That I have answered partly of that, 00:17:44.320 --> 00:17:48.560 I think it is in 00:17:48.560 --> 00:17:49.520 Angels at My Fingertips or Stairways to 00:17:49.520 --> 00:17:52.240 Heaven, 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.960 where the way I put it to be understood 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.920 humanly, the old God and the new God, 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:58.960 and the old God is God doing all those 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:01.760 kinds of things, 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:02.800 trying to guide man to be better than we 00:18:02.800 --> 00:18:05.200 are. 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:05.920 And then the new God in the sense Jesus 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.720 coming or 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:10.880 whatever name you want to give God, another 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.080 part of God coming to 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:18.640 help us to love each other a little bit more, to show us the light in that way, to understand us. 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:26.880 I remember when I had written about that, again a lot of priests from all different religions came 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:33.760 along and said, "Lorna, we thought God knew everything." And I said, "God does, but he finds 00:18:33.760 --> 00:18:40.720 it hard to understand us. It's the understanding. He sent another part of himself, Jesus, to 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:47.600 understand us a little bit more and to leave us with a little bit more of love and compassion. 00:18:47.600 --> 00:18:55.280 That, in a sense, all the wrongdoings, all the killing and the force are wrong. If we could 00:18:55.280 --> 00:19:00.320 love each other, we could reach for peace. We could come together as one. 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:05.440 Pete: Perhaps it's hard for God to understand us the way it's hard for a parent to understand 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:07.920 a rebellious teenager. Why are they acting so crazy? 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:07.920 [Laughter] 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:13.040 Dr. Dzungar And I think every parent goes through that 00:19:13.040 --> 00:19:19.760 with a teenager, you know, because again, I love the way you said that. We are children, 00:19:19.760 --> 00:19:25.680 even though we think we're adults and we are children. And in a sense, we have, in the world 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:32.000 today just become, what would you say, so 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.160 concerned and pushed forward to go 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:35.840 after all of the material things, 00:19:35.840 --> 00:19:37.440 but it's like as if the world is 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.680 wakening up a bit 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:40.560 and saying it's not all about material 00:19:40.560 --> 00:19:43.120 things, 00:19:43.120 --> 00:19:44.240 it's about love and hope and compassion, 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.600 it's about 00:19:47.600 --> 00:19:50.800 enjoying life, feeling the air, 00:19:50.800 --> 00:19:53.120 the rain, smelling the flowers. 00:19:53.120 --> 00:19:54.320 I have met so many people that have 00:19:53.120 --> 00:20:00.240 come to Ireland and even children and just seeing them, what would you say, the teenagers 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:06.400 and everything like that out in the fields doing things, they always turn around and 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:12.560 say this is the best time of my life. It's like as if suddenly going out into nature 00:20:12.560 --> 00:20:19.600 they're opened up in a way and they're more connected to nature and to themselves in that 00:20:19.600 --> 00:20:26.480 way. I think we have lost a lot in the world today that we only see all the negative, all 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:33.160 the dread, because so many people again I've met are full of fear because of all the, what 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:38.840 would you call it, climate change, everything that is happening and governments and job 00:20:38.840 --> 00:20:47.440 loss and the lockdown that we have had. I know the lockdown was really hard and so painful 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:53.880 for so many families, but I know God and the angels were there all of the time. That's 00:20:53.880 --> 00:21:00.200 what we have to remember. And I know it was hard, extremely hard, because I know so many 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:06.520 families that lost loved ones and suffered hugely. But lots of good has come out of that 00:21:06.520 --> 00:21:12.920 too. We have to see the good as well, and I think we find it hard to see the good. The 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:18.520 only thing I can say when I'm on a farm lane here and sometimes I could look out 00:21:18.520 --> 00:21:26.120 the window and I could see some people passing. And now everybody, more so than 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:32.000 before, say hello to each other and stop and greet each other because during the 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:38.080 lockdown you only could go so far and of course you loved to talk to someone, to 00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:44.680 meet a neighbor. And I think that has 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:47.120 brought a lot of joy to people's lives. I 00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:50.560 know an elderly lady and her daughter and 00:21:50.560 --> 00:21:53.040 nobody would have spoken to them. You'd 00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:56.400 very seldom see anyone stop and say 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.520 hello, but since the pandemic everyone 00:21:59.520 --> 00:22:01.920 stops to say hello. That's nice. And talk 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.640 to them for a few minutes and just to 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.000 watch their guardian angels and sometimes 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:11.520 unemployed angels come and surround them. 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:14.240 It's just beautiful as well. So perhaps some 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:15.880 tension was dissolved in the collective 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.320 consciousness during that period and 00:22:18.320 --> 00:22:19.920 people are a little bit more uplifted 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:21.400 now. I know one thing that happened here 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.240 in the States is that a lot of people, 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:25.280 when they had to start working from home, 00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:27.400 they thought, "Wait a minute, why am I 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.040 sitting in that cubicle five days a 00:22:30.040 --> 00:22:31.840 week? I don't like it. I like this 00:22:31.840 --> 00:22:34.240 better." And there were a lot of job 00:22:31.840 --> 00:22:36.000 changes and lifestyle changes and all kinds of things that that brought about. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.720 And that's good, good as well. 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:44.800 One question that popped into my mind is, let's say that there are some people in India or 00:22:44.800 --> 00:22:50.720 someplace like that who also have your kind of a perceptual ability. Do you feel that perhaps 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:56.560 your angels present things to you in a certain way because you have a Christian upbringing, 00:22:56.560 --> 00:23:02.400 and their angels might present things in a way that's compatible with their Hindu or Buddhist 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:08.160 upbringing, and that's perfectly appropriate because that's the culture in which you were 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:14.320 raised and in which you function. [MG] That's a lovely question, and I'm asking the angels, 00:23:14.320 --> 00:23:21.440 is that so, and the only answer I'm getting is partly. [MG] Okay, can they elaborate? [MG] No, 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:29.360 they're not elaborating. I'm so sorry. They're just saying partly. I have been invited to go to India 00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:37.520 to give talks as well, but it's so far away. That's the only thing that turns me off going as such. 00:23:37.520 --> 00:23:43.840 But I have met many people from India that have come to Ireland or have come to other parts of 00:23:43.840 --> 00:23:48.800 of Europe to see me as well. And it's such a huge country. 00:23:48.800 --> 00:23:54.480 Paul: It is. I think you'd enjoy the trip. Maybe you can get them to get you a business 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.360 class seat so you can sleep during the flight. 00:23:57.360 --> 00:24:03.320 Anne: Yeah. I'll have to work on it so that it might happen on some occasion. We'll just 00:24:03.320 --> 00:24:10.120 have to wait and see. I always say everything is in God's hands. I don't plan things. When 00:24:10.120 --> 00:24:17.960 God said to me as a child to keep it a secret. It was only as time went on that I understood why 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:24.680 they were saying keep it a secret and that was because my parents and that and all the adults 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:33.000 around considered me retarded in that way and I'm severely dyslexic. So I have never planned anything, 00:24:33.560 --> 00:24:41.240 just God and the angels all my life have told me, they used to say, "Lorna, one day you will write." 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.960 As a child they would say that, and I couldn't even write my name. Even as a teenager they said 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:54.680 the same thing, and as an adult, and even when I got married, of course I had to learn to write 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:59.960 my name then, 00:24:59.960 --> 00:25:03.000 but it's still very hard to do so, 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.080 and I would get my children to write the 00:25:05.080 --> 00:25:08.440 notes for the school teachers, 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.960 and I would sign it, you know, 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.200 I would sign it. And to me, the most 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.160 incredible thing is that 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.440 everything that God has said 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.400 would happen in my life has happened. 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:28.600 I'm actually still in shock that the book Angels in My Hair happened and that it became a bestseller 00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:37.080 and that I'm sitting here now talking to you. Wow, that's incredible. My mind and myself is still 00:25:37.080 --> 00:25:44.600 be blown away every day with what's happening but I always say to everyone it's not about me 00:25:44.600 --> 00:25:52.120 at all. It's about you and I'm not the important one. I'm nothing. You're the important one. 00:25:52.120 --> 00:26:01.000 Sometimes I don't even know how to explain that, but when you can't read or write, what a gift you 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:07.080 have, because you can read and write. I would love to be able to pick up a book and read it, 00:26:07.080 --> 00:26:13.480 and I love books. If I see a shelf full of books, I'll go over to them and pull them out and feel 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:18.760 them and go through the pages. I'm just sharing stuff with you. 00:26:18.760 --> 00:26:24.360 >>Rick: Sure. Firstly, Angels in My Hair was a lovely book. I really enjoyed it. And even 00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:31.240 though it was autobiographical, it wasn't all about you. It conveyed a teaching in every passage. 00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:35.880 And one thing just to mention in passing is that both your childhood and your married life were 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:42.360 really quite impoverished financially. It wasn't easy. So, I'm really glad that you did write the 00:26:42.360 --> 00:26:46.560 the book and that it kind of lifted you out of poverty because you deserve it. And the 00:26:46.560 --> 00:26:51.980 book is having a wonderful effect on people all over the world. 00:26:51.980 --> 00:26:59.200 To me that is the most important thing, that it's helping people. I hear from people all 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.040 of the time and they keep telling me it has changed their life, it has given them a new 00:27:04.040 --> 00:27:11.880 perspective on life. And even when I hear on the news about the homeless and those hungry, 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.880 I understand that because I was homeless. 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:21.040 I know I put it in the book a little bit in that way and it mightn't even have been noticed, 00:27:21.040 --> 00:27:24.200 but I even know what it's like to be hungry. 00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:30.040 And I think so many of us nowadays, because there's so much going on in the world and 00:27:30.040 --> 00:27:38.560 there's so many food banks now to help families, but I still think that a lot of people don't 00:27:38.560 --> 00:27:44.000 realise what it is like to be hungry, 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.040 thinking of what can you put on the 00:27:45.040 --> 00:27:47.280 table 00:27:47.280 --> 00:27:48.480 for your children and you don't eat 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.680 yourself, 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:52.400 or what you can put on the table for your 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.520 husband 00:27:55.520 --> 00:27:57.920 because he's a diabetic and he has to have 00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:59.200 or he'll go into a hypo or something 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.880 like that. 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.920 And this is why I think we have to 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:07.920 reach out and realise that we have a 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:13.200 soul and a guardian angel, and that God is real so that we can grasp onto that hope, 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:18.960 have that faith. And it doesn't matter what religion you are or whether you belong to none, 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:25.120 or whether you say, "I believe in nothing," but we all need hope in our life. We all need 00:28:25.120 --> 00:28:31.200 to have that faith that we will get through it and that someone will give us a helping hand. 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.840 I often say it doesn't have to cost you much to give someone a helping hand. You know, 00:28:37.840 --> 00:28:45.280 the angels are always telling people to give that smile or to open that door to show kindness, 00:28:45.280 --> 00:28:53.680 but sometimes we're so hurt ourselves that we're all enclosed like this because we're so hurt and 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:58.960 we're saying to ourselves, "Well, no one has helped me, so why should I help anyone else?" 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:04.800 but you have to, in that enclosed with 00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:07.760 your arms around you, 00:29:07.760 --> 00:29:10.240 try and love you so you can help someone 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.800 else and so you can help yourself 00:29:12.800 --> 00:29:13.760 because it brings light and love into 00:29:13.760 --> 00:29:16.720 your life. 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.840 And I know everyone can do it and 00:29:19.840 --> 00:29:20.720 that's why you have this beautiful guardian 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.680 angel 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.600 that never leaves you for a second. 00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:26.560 And I always remember being asked the 00:29:26.560 --> 00:29:28.320 question, 00:29:26.560 --> 00:29:32.080 Lorna, do you mean in the bathroom as well?" And I said, "Yes!" Because the angels don't 00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:40.320 look on us in the same way as we look on ourselves. And it was lovely, what would I say, to hear the 00:29:40.320 --> 00:29:45.440 laughter when I answered that question, just as you laughed that time. 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.360 >>Rick: Yeah. I actually have a whole list of questions about guardian angels that I want to 00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:55.920 get to, but let me pop in a few questions from the audience that came in. One is from Catherine 00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:02.240 Martin in Arles, France. She says, "I've been seeking for a few years, making a sincere effort. 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:06.960 If someone is seeking for their angel but not having any results, what is the best way to proceed 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:12.800 or persist? Could my head be too full of interviews and reading? Should I stop seeking and let go? 00:30:12.800 --> 00:30:15.200 Why does it happen to some people seemingly out of nowhere?" 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:21.120 >> Maybe she's trying too hard. Maybe she should just stop everything for a moment. 00:30:21.760 --> 00:30:28.480 and I always say to everybody, "What have you got to lose? You've nothing to lose." 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:36.640 And just to believe your guardian angel is there and talk to your guardian angel, ask it for guidance 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:43.200 to show you what way to go. I always say, "Your guardian angel can teach you so many things." 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:49.520 If my guardian angel said to me, "Lorna, now pick up this glass." So I picked it up. My guardian 00:30:49.520 --> 00:30:55.680 Angel didn't say that, okay? It's only teaching you. Your Guardian Angel will never ask you to 00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:02.560 do anything wrong, but it's just teaching you how to respond. And I would say to that lovely lady, 00:31:02.560 --> 00:31:11.360 ask for a sign, something simple. Most people will ask for a feather or a flower, and I have seen so 00:31:11.360 --> 00:31:17.920 many times where a person finds a feather in an unusual place. It's not that they're going down 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:22.080 the road and there's loads of birds there 00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:25.040 and there's feathers all over the place. 00:31:25.040 --> 00:31:26.720 Sometimes it can be in a drawer, sometimes 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:28.560 they find it in the house. 00:31:28.560 --> 00:31:30.720 I remember one lady saying she found a 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:31.760 feather in her shoe the first time in 00:31:31.760 --> 00:31:34.480 her life. 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:35.520 After having asked for one? After having 00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:39.280 asked for one, 00:31:39.280 --> 00:31:41.760 yeah, and you would keep on asking 00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:43.440 and sometimes somebody would ask for a 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.720 bunch of flowers. 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:50.320 That sometimes is hard, okay, because another human being has to respond and give you that 00:31:50.320 --> 00:31:57.280 bunch of flowers out of the blue. But I have often been shown where a child picks a little 00:31:57.280 --> 00:32:03.520 wildflower and goes over to a stranger and gives it to the stranger, but the stranger doesn't 00:32:03.520 --> 00:32:11.040 recognize that's the bunch of flowers. So be open because your guardian angel could be saying to you, 00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:16.720 go and get Mary or John. Say you're 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.760 looking at some daffodils, 00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:21.440 you're passing a shop or there's a few 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.000 daffodils in your garden 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:25.680 and suddenly the thought comes into your 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.760 mind about a neighbor 00:32:27.760 --> 00:32:29.440 and the flowers. You should pick two or 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:30.400 three of them, it doesn't have to be a big 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.040 bunch, 00:32:33.040 --> 00:32:34.720 and give them to the person who came 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.200 into your mind. 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.400 Just say, "Here, these are for you." Because 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.560 the angels, 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:45.840 they often tell me they find it hard to get people to answer that request for another person. Always 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:50.320 remember whoever you gave those flowers to, you probably saved their life. 00:32:50.320 --> 00:32:55.120 So you're saying that if a little thought like that pops into your mind, "Maybe I should give 00:32:55.120 --> 00:32:59.680 Mrs. Jones a flower," it could have been planted by an angel in your mind. 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:06.800 Yeah, exactly. We don't do that enough. And yet, if you received something out of the blue from 00:33:06.800 --> 00:33:13.920 someone and you were feeling down, it would cheer you up and it would give you hope. It would help 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:20.160 you to say to yourself, "Well, this good thing has happened to me today. Someone gave me a flower. 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:26.400 Someone showed kindness and love towards me by just giving me the flower." And you could hand 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:34.320 them to a stranger. It's like sometimes I was often back a few years ago sitting in a little cafe 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:40.960 having my cup of coffee or cup of tea and then my guardian angel telling me on the way out, 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:46.640 "Get another cup of coffee or tea." And I'd go out carrying this cup of coffee or tea and 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.800 I would be saying to my guardian, "Well, I don't really want it. Who is it for?" 00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:57.600 And I could walk down the road. I'm a fast walker. Seemingly, that's what I've been told. 00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:03.760 I'm a fast walker. And then suddenly I might be told to turn left and I would see someone 00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:10.560 and just give them a cup of tea and say, "This is for you." And it's not necessarily even a homeless 00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:16.960 person. It could be someone sitting on a bench and you have given them a cup of tea and you just keep 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:22.480 walking. You don't sit down and start chatting. I would just give it to them and say, "This is for 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:29.920 you." Always remember, we can save somebody's life. We can give them hope. By just showing that little 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:38.000 bit of kindness. Many a time I would be shown so many things and I would just go over and show 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.160 that little bit of kindness and keep going then because I would know just that little bit of 00:34:44.160 --> 00:34:54.160 kindness has given somebody such an uplift. If one person can be kind to me today, maybe others will 00:34:54.160 --> 00:34:58.720 and I can be kind to others. It's like spreading the good, the love. 00:34:58.720 --> 00:35:06.480 Can we assume that our guardian angels read our thoughts routinely and therefore if we're 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:12.560 cognizant that they're doing that, we can assume that they know what's going on with us? Or is it 00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:19.760 necessary to more specifically make an appeal of some kind, a prayer or a statement or some 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.920 some kind of communication? 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.560 - They already know. 00:35:23.560 --> 00:35:26.480 So I love the first part of your question. 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.360 They already know, 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.600 but it's good for us, ourselves, for our human self, 00:35:32.600 --> 00:35:34.240 to talk to your guardian angel 00:35:34.240 --> 00:35:36.680 or to write a letter to your guardian angel 00:35:36.680 --> 00:35:38.800 or to give out to your guardian angel 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.220 to say, "I need a helping hand." 00:35:41.220 --> 00:35:42.360 But they already know, 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.600 they're already working on 00:35:44.600 --> 00:35:47.280 trying to get that helping hand for you, 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:54.320 get that guidance for you. Maybe you're stressed or worried about your job or something like 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:59.440 that and you just say, "Come on, guardian angel, please give me a helping hand." And maybe 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:05.000 a thought comes into your head, go and meet a particular friend for a cup of tea and you 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:10.280 go and meet them. And then that gives you an opportunity to talk about the situation of 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:17.640 your job, because maybe that person is able to help to get you to focus or to help you 00:36:17.640 --> 00:36:24.440 to make the right decision. But another thing I always say to people, many, many a time, 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:31.320 you already know what's the right thing to do. But sometimes we listen to everybody else, 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.280 and we go the way everyone else says. And afterwards, we say to ourselves, I should have gone the 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:43.040 other way. I knew it all the time. That 00:36:43.040 --> 00:36:45.920 was your guardian angel. So sometimes it's, it 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.800 is hard for us humanly 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.520 sometimes to figure out what's right, 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:53.920 what's the right decision to make. But 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.000 just remember if your guardian angel 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.840 says to you, "Pick up that glass of water, 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.480 even if you don't want it, 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.640 pick it up." We're in the habit of 00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:04.560 being lazy and not bothering. 00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:06.640 Or just say your guardian angel said 00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:10.560 to you later today, it just came into your mind you should get up and go for a walk. All you have to 00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:16.400 do is get up and go for that walk, whether it is just a two minute walk or a three minute walk, 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:24.160 it's just teaching you. You don't ask why, it's just teaching you. It's just like a child never 00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:31.120 asks why it's been taught something. It just keeps trying to do it until it can do it really well. 00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:36.640 and I'd love everyone to get really good at that because it makes life much easier. 00:37:36.640 --> 00:37:42.240 Of course, most people won't realize, "Oh, my guardian angel's asking me to take a walk," 00:37:42.240 --> 00:37:48.240 but what you're saying, I think, is that we should get in the habit of being aware of these subtle 00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:54.400 impulses, intuitions that come to us and, you know, not ignore them, but realize that they 00:37:54.400 --> 00:38:00.560 could be coming from some guardian angel or some more divine level of awareness, and that if we 00:38:00.560 --> 00:38:04.880 act on them, perhaps it will become more habitual and our whole life will be guided that way. 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:12.480 [L] People would often say to me, "Lorna, I started practicing listening on that intuition of, 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:18.560 say, going for a walk or going into a certain cafe," and they would often say, "Well, I would 00:38:18.560 --> 00:38:25.520 never have met that person I met that was able to change my life or I was able to change theirs, 00:38:26.240 --> 00:38:33.920 only for I listened. So, the angels are always guiding us. God is always guiding us, and 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:39.920 at the moment, lots of people might be feeling, well, where is God in their life? Where is their 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:45.040 guardian angel in their life? But your guardian angel is right there, and even the soul of your 00:38:45.040 --> 00:38:49.600 loved one is right there as well. >> Okay, this next question is from Irene. 00:38:49.600 --> 00:38:54.960 "If one fully believes in angels and other celestial beings and prays to them for help 00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:59.680 with something serious and yet nothing comes of it, what's your own make of that? Are they 00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:03.280 out there trying to get through, so to speak? 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:12.080 I love the question. I never pray to an angel or any other, you use that word, I can't pronounce 00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:19.360 this. I only pray to God and I only, in a sense, ask God and God all the time helps, 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:27.080 the angels help as well. They come with the messages for me at different times. I know 00:39:27.080 --> 00:39:35.000 many people would pray and ask. It could be that you want your child to live or you want 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:40.840 someone to get better or you want someone to be healed in some way or for yourself to 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:46.440 be healed in some way and you pray and pray and you ask and you don't get it. You literally 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:53.560 don't get it, and you in a sense are angry and annoyed, and you say, "I don't believe anymore, 00:39:53.560 --> 00:40:02.040 that's it." But I've met so many people that have said that to me, and they have said as well 00:40:02.040 --> 00:40:06.680 that they were glad they never got it because of where they are now. 00:40:06.680 --> 00:40:08.360 >> That's true. [laughs] 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.720 >> You know, where they are if they had got that. And this is why I always say that 00:40:13.720 --> 00:40:18.120 God knows what's right for you. So if you 00:40:18.120 --> 00:40:22.280 don't get something, 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.440 don't tear yourself apart over it. 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:25.240 If you can, and I know sometimes it's 00:40:25.240 --> 00:40:27.560 hard, 00:40:27.560 --> 00:40:29.560 just let it go. Now I know that 00:40:29.560 --> 00:40:32.040 depends on what it is, 00:40:32.040 --> 00:40:33.000 just let it go, because I know in the 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.880 future 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.360 you'll be so glad that you didn't get it. 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:39.480 But many people get what they pray for 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.200 as well. 00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:43.400 They get a good outcome, something got 00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:48.760 sort it, but they played their part as well. I would often have somebody say, you know, 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:55.080 I've been praying to God and asking God for romantic love, that's the most common one, 00:40:55.080 --> 00:41:00.520 for love to come into my life or for a job, but then you find they're not doing anything 00:41:00.520 --> 00:41:06.680 for that to happen. They're staying in behind the closed door and I would say to them, well, 00:41:06.680 --> 00:41:11.480 that romantic partner is not going to come and knock on your door and say, hey, come out for a 00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:18.680 date. You have to put yourself out there as well. You have to play your part. And the same for a job. 00:41:18.680 --> 00:41:26.440 No matter how many times you're turned down, you still need to keep applying. I always remember 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:32.760 this young man telling me that he worked in a company for something like six years, and then 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:40.200 the company closed up and he started to apply for different jobs, kind of the same thing. And he 00:41:40.200 --> 00:41:45.960 said, "Lorna, I wasn't getting any of them." And I was asking my guardian angel, "What are you doing? 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:52.760 What's God doing? What's happening?" And then one day, I can't remember what he was looking at, 00:41:52.760 --> 00:42:01.000 but he saw a job advertised for something completely different. And he knew nothing about it, 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:09.480 had no experience, but it was to do with forestry. I don't know exactly what it was, 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:17.000 but he got the job and he's still in the job. He loves it, so I'm sure he has been qualifying himself 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:24.600 as time goes in. But sometimes again, I think when you're looking for a particular job, sometimes 00:42:24.600 --> 00:42:30.120 maybe look a little left or a little right if you're not getting what you think you should 00:42:30.120 --> 00:42:37.160 only be getting, because you could be brought in another direction. Yeah, the Rolling Stones sang 00:42:37.160 --> 00:42:42.280 you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you might find you get what you need. 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:48.200 >> Exactly. You get what you need, and when you get what you need, it's much, much better 00:42:48.200 --> 00:42:54.840 by a million times than what you wanted, or what you believed you wanted. 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.720 >> I have a bunch of questions about what angels look like, but I don't think we have time to ask 00:42:59.720 --> 00:43:05.080 them all. What function do angels' wings serve? I've heard you mention that many of the angels 00:43:05.080 --> 00:43:10.840 you've seen have wings, but they wouldn't need them to fly. I presume they could just float or hover 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:18.200 if they wanted to, so why do many of them have wings? That's a lovely question. I don't always 00:43:18.200 --> 00:43:25.640 see wings, and when I do see wings, to me it's like a privilege. I think why angels have wings 00:43:25.640 --> 00:43:33.080 is because it's something that mankind way back put on angels. They don't need them. 00:43:33.720 --> 00:43:39.320 So that actually relates to another question. Do they kind of appear to people in a way that 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:46.200 would make sense to people, such as having wings, but maybe that's not their real form, 00:43:46.200 --> 00:43:50.280 or real appearance, if they have a real appearance? They just project an appearance that people can 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:58.520 relate to? Yeah, that's why I always say angels are a light, and within that light, they give 00:43:58.520 --> 00:44:04.280 a human appearance, something that we would recognize. So, again, it would be whatever 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:09.640 tradition you're from, the angel will give that appearance within that light as well. 00:44:09.640 --> 00:44:15.480 Rick: I see. I heard you say at one point in your book that angels can appear very physical, 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.040 such that everybody can see them, like you were walking along with the Archangel Michael 00:44:20.040 --> 00:44:26.600 at a monastery, and the other priest said, "Hi," to him, but ordinarily, people couldn't see him. 00:44:26.600 --> 00:44:33.000 [DL] Yeah, I always remember that particular day being with Archangel Michael. I was in 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:40.840 Maynooth College when a lot of priests were there at that time, and young men training to be priests, 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:47.960 and the public could go in and walk around. But that particular day I was with Archangel Michael, 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:51.800 and just seeing those two priests, and they had prayer books in their hands, 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.760 and they said hello to Archangel Michael and he acknowledged them, but it was like as if I wasn't 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.840 there. Yeah, they were probably trying to be good priests and not look at the women, you know. 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:11.160 Well, they ignored me completely. I felt the invisible one. It was like as if I was made 00:45:11.160 --> 00:45:17.000 invisible and they just saw Archangel Michael. But the one thing I loved about Archangel Michael, 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:25.560 He always, if he makes himself visible, he will dress in whatever others are dressed in. 00:45:25.560 --> 00:45:29.720 So, he was dressed like a priest, so there was no question. 00:45:29.720 --> 00:45:36.120 >> Do angels always appear solid to you, or are they somewhat ethereal or translucent? 00:45:36.120 --> 00:45:41.960 Like, could you see through them a little bit? >> They're translucent, and I have talked a 00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:49.720 little bit about the depth of an angel as well. It's like as if you could step into an angel 00:45:49.720 --> 00:45:53.560 and it will go on and on. They are translucent. 00:45:53.560 --> 00:45:58.280 Are they self-luminous? Could you see them in a pitch dark room or do you need some 00:45:58.280 --> 00:45:59.720 illumination? 00:45:59.720 --> 00:46:06.440 I love that question now that you're asking because I'm writing a book at the moment with 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:13.160 a scientist. And that was one of the 00:46:13.160 --> 00:46:15.720 questions he asked me. And I just said to 00:46:15.720 --> 00:46:18.280 him, "God, I don't know. It has never dawned 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:21.320 on me because no one has ever asked that." 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.120 And that night I went to bed, the lights 00:46:24.120 --> 00:46:27.240 were off, and I got under the blankets. 00:46:27.240 --> 00:46:29.400 And I was tired and I just wanted to go 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.040 to sleep. And the next minute 00:46:32.040 --> 00:46:33.960 an angel puts its hand on my shoulder, 00:46:32.040 --> 00:46:34.040 and I could see it clearly. 00:46:34.040 --> 00:46:35.840 Even though you had your eyes closed? 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.740 Yes, even with my eyes closed. 00:46:38.740 --> 00:46:41.940 And I just said, "Go away and leave me alone." 00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:43.740 "Let me sleep." 00:46:43.740 --> 00:46:47.540 So it answered his question, yes, in the dark I can, 00:46:47.540 --> 00:46:49.840 and even with my eyes closed. 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:51.840 So presumably, even if you were to go blind, 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.040 you would still see them? 00:46:53.040 --> 00:46:54.140 Yeah. 00:46:54.140 --> 00:46:56.040 Well, please God, now I never go blind. 00:46:56.040 --> 00:46:57.640 No, we don't want that to happen. 00:46:57.640 --> 00:47:00.840 I think, you know, when you're talking about that, 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:06.040 I do believe I see through my human eyes, but I see through the eyes of my soul as well. 00:47:06.040 --> 00:47:10.840 It's like as if the eyes of my soul are looking out through my human eyes. 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.320 That's the only way I can explain. 00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.440 This is a good question from Cynthia Edwards in Santa Cruz, California. 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.800 You know how it is that people have all kinds of crazy thoughts pop into their heads and 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:22.720 sometimes they act on them. 00:47:22.720 --> 00:47:26.400 Her question is, how do you know it's your guardian angel asking you to pick up the glass 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:30.560 of water or whatever and not your monkey mind playing games with you? 00:47:30.560 --> 00:47:37.560 I suppose I would just say to her, the one thing to remember is that your guardian angel 00:47:37.560 --> 00:47:41.160 or any angel will never ask you to do anything wrong. 00:47:41.160 --> 00:47:46.320 So if you're being asked to pick up a glass of water, that's not doing anything wrong. 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:54.120 But if you're thinking of doing something wrong that might be spiteful or hurtful or 00:47:54.120 --> 00:47:57.640 anything like that, that's not your guardian angel. 00:47:57.640 --> 00:47:59.040 That's your human self. 00:47:59.040 --> 00:48:03.340 Right, I do have a section of questions that hopefully we'll get to about good and evil 00:48:03.340 --> 00:48:06.100 and how there could be evil influences and so on. 00:48:06.100 --> 00:48:09.680 I've heard you mention a number of different kinds of angels. 00:48:09.680 --> 00:48:13.640 You know, we've talked about guardian angels quite a bit, we can talk more, there are unemployed 00:48:13.640 --> 00:48:20.580 angels, the angel of hope, American gathering angels, healing angels, archangels, so many 00:48:20.580 --> 00:48:22.360 different types. 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:29.960 I suppose like I see angels helping human beings and nature so much all of the time. And to 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:36.360 me that is quite incredible. And the first time I was a child when I saw the unemployed 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:44.260 angels, and the only way I can explain those angels is, it's like as if sometimes when 00:48:44.260 --> 00:48:49.200 I would look up at the sky, and I would be told to look up, it's like as if there is 00:48:49.200 --> 00:48:57.560 this big, huge, enormous bucket and the bucket always looks dark and silver. It's like the 00:48:57.560 --> 00:49:05.920 light of the earth reflecting on it and it's like it's turned upside down and I just see 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:12.280 these unemployed angels. It's like as if they're rolled up in a ball but as they're coming 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:18.520 down towards the earth, tumbling down, 00:49:18.520 --> 00:49:19.960 and then slowly as they get closer, just 00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.680 as they 00:49:22.680 --> 00:49:23.320 come to the earth, they, what would you 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.520 say, 00:49:26.520 --> 00:49:30.280 unwind, they come out of that ball 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:32.440 unwind and just stop. 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.200 And that is beautiful to see because I 00:49:34.200 --> 00:49:36.280 see so many 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.440 unemployed angels and that's what I 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.400 called them when I was a child, 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:44.520 unemployed, so I have left the name 00:49:44.520 --> 00:49:47.080 'unemployed', but to see them there 00:49:47.080 --> 00:49:50.440 to help everyone. And one thing about the 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.560 unemployed angels, and I have never said this, 00:49:53.560 --> 00:49:55.880 and I know it goes for all angels, but I 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:58.920 see them helping everyone. 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:00.920 I would even see them helping, 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.640 you know, I have often seen a group of 00:50:03.640 --> 00:50:06.840 unemployed angels around someone 00:50:03.640 --> 00:50:11.880 who would be considered maybe not the best person, not a good person, and yet they would be there. 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:18.600 That's what I love about angels. They help us no matter what, and that's hard to explain. 00:50:18.600 --> 00:50:27.000 It's kind of something that I think is lacking in us human beings as such, and yet I see the angels 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:35.240 and these unemployed angels. I always remember this young man and he's beating up somebody else, 00:50:35.240 --> 00:50:43.960 and then somebody else gave him a belt and he fell, and everybody was screaming or whatever, 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:51.000 and things happen so quickly. And yet, unemployed angels just appeared from nowhere, 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:58.200 within seconds, and they were around him and around the others as well. It was like there was no, 00:50:58.200 --> 00:51:05.960 "You're not worthy of help." Everybody was worthy of help. And I suppose I would love to see more 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:13.320 of that love and compassion in human beings. And I always remember the young man was taken away in an 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:21.320 ambulance and then somebody else that he had hurt was being attended to as well. But seeing 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:28.840 the unemployed angels reaching out even to those that were helping the other person, 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:34.240 reaching out and touching them, it was like as if they were helping to take away the pain 00:51:34.240 --> 00:51:40.120 and helping the medics to do what they're meant to do. I suppose you can ask for an 00:51:40.120 --> 00:51:46.840 unemployed angel for yourself, but you can ask for unemployed angels for the stranger, 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:51.880 the person you don't know as well. And that's one thing I've always done with unemployed 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:58.800 angels is ask them to go out into the world and help anywhere they possibly can. 00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.760 They're kind of like freelancers. 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:02.240 Yeah, they are. 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:06.200 We have our own guardian angels pretty much stuck with us, but there's some guys that are 00:52:06.200 --> 00:52:09.120 on call to go and attend to certain situations. 00:52:09.120 --> 00:52:16.400 Yeah, I would often see them. I could be in Dublin or a smaller city and there's lots of people around 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:23.680 going in different directions and just seeing the unemployed angels weaving in and out and among them 00:52:23.680 --> 00:52:30.320 and then suddenly seeing an unemployed angel stop. And once I saw an unemployed angel stop, 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:35.520 I knew exactly what had happened. I knew that that person, no matter who they were 00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:43.040 or anything like that, had actually asked for a bit of help, and the unemployed angel just 00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:45.360 stopped to give them a hand, whatever it was. 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:50.640 >> One thing I find fascinating about all this is, let's say extraterrestrials were to land on 00:52:50.640 --> 00:52:55.680 the White House lawn, it would make a big splash. I mean, it'd be all over the headlines all over the 00:52:55.680 --> 00:52:59.760 world. And because we think, "Oh, there are these forms of life that we didn't know about, 00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:05.120 now we see them." But ironically, in the world that's teeming with forms of life 00:53:05.120 --> 00:53:10.720 all around us that we are completely oblivious to, and it doesn't make the news. It's kind of 00:53:10.720 --> 00:53:18.000 fascinating that there's this whole menagerie of subtle life forms everywhere, and most people are 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:22.960 just totally unaware of them. [MG] Yeah, they are unaware of them, an awful lot of people, 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:29.760 but I think a lot of people are becoming more and more aware. I find even when I'm with teenagers, 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:34.080 or if I was invited into a school or anything like that. 00:53:34.080 --> 00:53:38.080 Even young people are more open than we realize. 00:53:38.080 --> 00:53:41.040 Sure. Not that they perceive them, but they believe them. 00:53:41.040 --> 00:53:48.080 Yeah, they believe they're there and they can tell you stories, you know, about how they have already helped them. 00:53:48.080 --> 00:53:51.440 Okay, so we've established that everybody has a guardian angel. 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:56.480 That I guess would mean that there are as many guardian angels in the world as there are people. 00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:57.920 Yeah, definitely. 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:03.200 Okay, so they're not unemployed. How is it determined who your guardian angel is going to be? 00:54:03.200 --> 00:54:10.160 I have written, I think it is, in Angels at My Fingertips. I think I have talked about, 00:54:10.160 --> 00:54:18.560 I'm not quite sure which book. I give a little bit more information into each book as I go along, 00:54:18.560 --> 00:54:24.640 but not too much because I don't want to overwhelm people. But your guardian angel, 00:54:25.200 --> 00:54:31.680 when you were in heaven, when God created your soul and you were in the Sea of Souls, I was shown where 00:54:31.680 --> 00:54:39.360 the Sea of Souls has thousands of souls are there that have even to be born yet to come into our 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:47.360 world. And I was shown one particular soul standing there and how would you say it? I call it the Sea 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:53.680 of Souls and looking around and waiting for the Guardian Angel to come. And it was like when 00:54:54.240 --> 00:55:02.640 the guardian angel appeared, that particular soul recognized and knew that was its guardian angel, 00:55:02.640 --> 00:55:11.200 and when they met, they embraced in love. And I'm skipping some of it, and then at another stage, 00:55:11.200 --> 00:55:20.160 the guardian angel stood, I was shown in front of God with that soul, and God appointed that 00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:28.000 guardian angel there and then for that soul to be the gatekeeper of that soul. At the very moment 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:34.880 of conception, your soul came at that very, very moment when your mom conceived. 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:40.000 - Came into a physical world. Into existence or into your mom's body? 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:47.600 - Into your mom's body. Because it's like it happens at the very moment of conception. So, 00:55:47.600 --> 00:55:52.320 even at the very moment of conception, 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.480 you're not a baby, you're just a tiny 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.960 little, little egg. A few cells. 00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:58.080 Yeah, a few little things at that very 00:55:58.080 --> 00:56:01.600 moment. 00:56:01.600 --> 00:56:03.040 And you knew before then even, you knew 00:56:03.040 --> 00:56:06.160 everything that 00:56:06.160 --> 00:56:07.760 would happen within your life, but it's 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:09.920 like you don't 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:11.840 fully remember it, or sometimes you 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.400 might have some little, 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:15.440 what would you call it, kind of tweaks, you might 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.800 say, "Oh, I knew that would happen, but that would have been your guardian angel guiding 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.760 you as well, even as a little child." 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.720 David Let's say someone has, Henry David Thoreau said, 00:56:26.720 --> 00:56:29.720 "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation." 00:56:29.720 --> 00:56:35.480 And there are billions of people in the world who have really tedious, boring jobs. 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:40.160 Obviously, guardian angels have a different mentality than humans because it's boring 00:56:40.160 --> 00:56:44.440 enough to have to do such a job, but to have to sit there and watch somebody do such a 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.160 job would be even more boring. 00:56:47.160 --> 00:56:50.160 I know guardian angels don't get bored. 00:56:50.160 --> 00:56:51.160 Right, they couldn't. 00:56:51.160 --> 00:56:53.760 It would be a terrible job if they did. 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.680 Yeah, they don't get bored. 00:56:55.680 --> 00:57:00.320 But some people have often said to me, their job is boring. 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:01.440 They don't like it. 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.480 They complain about it. 00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:08.320 And then I asked them the one question, "Well, what's the wages like?" 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:12.600 many a time they turn around and tell me, "Well, the wages is great." And then I would 00:57:12.600 --> 00:57:15.840 say to them, "Well, then you shouldn't be bored of your job. You should do the best 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:21.380 you can. And if you're getting a good wages, then that's giving you means to do other things 00:57:21.380 --> 00:57:22.880 that you don't have to do." 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.960 Well, the wages aren't always great though. Somebody might be working in some sweatshop, 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:27.960 you know. 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:34.320 Yeah, I know that as well. But even when I worked in the school scrubbing the floors 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:39.920 of that. It was literally only pennies, but the angels always taught me never to say I 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:46.160 was bored or annoyed with the job because the money I received for doing that work, 00:57:46.160 --> 00:57:53.200 and I would do the best I possibly could, just meant so much. So I know if you're bored 00:57:53.200 --> 00:57:59.400 with your job, I know that can be hard, but maybe look at the positive things within it. 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:05.880 maybe, if you feel you can get another job somewhere else, go and look. But don't leave 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.400 your job until you have a job. I don't want you out of work. 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:14.440 >> This is a bit of an abrupt shift here, but I've heard many stories of people, let's say, 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:19.640 going into a bookstore and having a particular book just fall off the shelf in front of them, 00:58:19.640 --> 00:58:25.320 sometimes opening to a particular page that they need to see. Do angels do that sort of thing? 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.320 They actually can push a book off a shelf? >> Yeah, that does happen. 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:37.120 I'm so surprised at that because I would never have been in a bookstore at all in my life 00:58:37.120 --> 00:58:43.320 until Angels in My Hair came out, remember. And I've been told that story all over the 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:50.320 world that Angels in My Hair or one of my books fell from a shelf or they walked into 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:57.960 a shop and there was boxes on the floor and the top book was one of my books. And they 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:03.160 decided to pick it up and have a look. Has that happened to you? 00:59:03.160 --> 00:59:08.240 Not so much, but I've had some things. I'll tell you a really quick story. One time I was 00:59:08.240 --> 00:59:12.600 in this facility, it wasn't near a town, I needed a bunch of things, I got moved to a 00:59:12.600 --> 00:59:17.160 different room and most of the things I needed were in that room. But I also needed some 00:59:17.160 --> 00:59:21.400 decorative shoe buckles that had broken off my shoes because they had gotten wet and I 00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.240 put shoe trees in them and they dried and the buckles broke off. So where would I get 00:59:25.240 --> 00:59:31.800 something like that. So I was walking to dinner in the evening and I was passing an air conditioner 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.960 in the hallway and something caught my eye on top of the air conditioner. I looked up there and there 00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:41.320 was a pair of decorative shoe buckles that fit my shoes, not the ones that had broken off. So 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.720 little thing like that, you think, "How did that happen? Who organized that?" 00:59:45.720 --> 00:59:52.280 All that I can say is the angels have organized it, or maybe even the soul of a loved one, 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.240 again giving you a sign and giving you hope. You know, you were going off for dinner, who are you 00:59:57.240 --> 01:00:05.240 going to meet? I don't know. So many strange things happen to us at different times, and a lot of the 01:00:05.240 --> 01:00:12.280 time people have a spiritual experience, but they think it's too strange and they're afraid to share 01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:19.720 it in case people laugh at them and ridicule them about it or say you're crazy. I remember one woman 01:00:19.720 --> 01:00:27.720 telling me a young woman that her grandmother had died when she was a child. And she saw her 01:00:27.720 --> 01:00:35.400 grandmother walk into her bedroom and she was afraid to tell her mom or anybody else because 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:41.560 she was afraid she'd be ridiculed. And she just said, "My grandmom walked into the bedroom." 01:00:41.560 --> 01:00:46.680 And at that time, she was going through a stressful time in school, being bullied and 01:00:46.680 --> 01:00:54.440 everything like that. And she said she was just so nervous and full of anxiety. And her grandmother, 01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.840 she said the door opened and she looked up thinking it was her mom coming in. And it was her grandmom 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:07.560 and her granny came in and sat on the edge of the bed. She said it looked like as if she sat on the 01:01:07.560 --> 01:01:14.360 edge of the bed. And she told me everything will be all right here with you. She was just afraid 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:20.440 to share it with anyone until now she's in her 50s and now she shares it. 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:25.800 I interviewed a woman named Pamela Wilson a couple times, she's a friend of mine, and 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:30.440 she had an experience when she was a teenager where she just had this burning desire to know 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:36.520 the truth. What's life all about? I'm just going to insist that somebody come through this door and 01:01:36.520 --> 01:01:40.680 tell me what the truth is all about. So she went to bed and she woke up in the middle of the night 01:01:40.680 --> 01:01:44.600 and there was a little Indian man sitting on her bed, and she threw a pillow at him. 01:01:44.600 --> 01:01:49.160 And then later on, she saw a book that had a picture of Ramana Maharshi on the cover, 01:01:49.160 --> 01:01:53.240 and she said, "That was the guy!" And people have experiences like that with Jesus and all 01:01:53.240 --> 01:01:58.360 kinds of things. So, I'm wondering, like, are these deceased saints actually visiting people, 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.800 or maybe it's an angel assuming their appearance or something? 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:08.040 Dr. Debra: No, it's the souls of our loved ones, and sometimes a soul is sent to give someone 01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:15.560 guidance, like for your friend. You know, this story I haven't told in a long time, but many years ago I 01:02:15.560 --> 01:02:22.360 met this woman and she told me this story that when she was a child and she was in the back of 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:29.720 the car with other siblings and her dad driving the car, they were in a crash. But in the crash, 01:02:29.720 --> 01:02:36.680 she said, we would have gone over the cliff, but she said, I saw an angel in front of the car with 01:02:36.680 --> 01:02:43.480 its hands on the bonnet, this enormous angel that stopped the car. And she said she never 01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:51.720 shared that with anyone until later in life. And again, so many things happen all of the 01:02:51.720 --> 01:02:58.080 time and we're afraid to share them. We shouldn't be afraid to share them because, remember, 01:02:58.080 --> 01:03:04.680 when you share a story with someone, even if they don't seem to quite take you serious, 01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:10.520 maybe laugh at you a little bit or say, "Ah, go away. You were drinking," or they'll say, 01:03:10.520 --> 01:03:17.320 "You were half asleep." But you have told them the story and it's in their mind. That can help them 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:24.440 as well to open up spiritually in some way. It's like we're afraid to talk about our guardian angel, 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:30.760 but we're even afraid to say, "I believe in God," or "I believe in Jesus," or "I believe in Allah." 01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:37.800 we're afraid because we're afraid we'll 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.360 be ridiculed. And why should we 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:42.680 be afraid? I don't understand that. 01:03:42.680 --> 01:03:44.360 I know I get ridiculed and laughed at 01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:47.480 and I'm told I'm crazy, 01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:49.800 but it doesn't matter because I always 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.840 remember saying to God, you know, when 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.000 Angels in My Hair was written and it 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.800 got out there into the world. 01:03:57.800 --> 01:03:58.360 If it saved one person's life, that was 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:06.280 it, my work was done. But God said, "No, your work is not done." So to me, if you save someone's life, 01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:14.280 or you save a tree, or you save a river, or you save part of this life that's on our planet, 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:21.160 this part of creation that is part of God, life is well worth it. It's actually priceless. 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:29.000 So why should we be afraid to say, "Well, I thank God today for everything, for all my blessings," 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:34.280 regardless of what they were? Or you're leaving your job and you're saying, "Thanks be to God, 01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:39.000 that was a good day." And what does it matter if your co-workers hear you say that? 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:44.040 >> Yeah, I've always enjoyed being a bit of an oddball and haven't cared too much what people 01:04:44.040 --> 01:04:49.080 think about me. Maybe when I was a teenager, I was more self-conscious and lacking confidence, 01:04:49.080 --> 01:04:53.960 and yeah, it was more that way. But after a while, I just thought, "To heck with it, I'm just gonna be me." 01:04:53.960 --> 01:05:00.360 And, you know, it's kind of worked out. I think we all have to be ourselves. I love the way you 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:08.200 brought it up, "Be me." And I think that's even important for teenagers to be themselves, not to 01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:15.960 try to be someone else. And I always think it's very sad nowadays that, you know, in school, children 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:21.640 have to be taught empathy. They have to be taught how to love, to care and share. But 01:05:21.640 --> 01:05:28.760 yet I meet so many teenagers of all ages and they just say, Lorna, I believe in my virgin 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:35.160 angel, but I can't tell anyone. Or I'm giving a talk somewhere and at the blessings, you 01:05:35.160 --> 01:05:41.680 know, it's all families. It could be teenagers and smaller children. And the parents turn 01:05:41.680 --> 01:05:46.880 around to me just before I start to bless the children and they say, "Lorna, can you tell 01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:51.920 me the guardian angel's name?" And I have to smile at that because I ask the child, "What's 01:05:51.920 --> 01:06:00.480 your guardian angel's name?" with the teenager. And 9.9 times out of 10, the child tells me 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:06.160 the guardian angel's name. And of course the parents go, "Why didn't the child tell them?" 01:06:06.160 --> 01:06:13.920 but it's personal to the child as well. And I always tell the teenager or the 10 or 12 year old, 01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:20.480 remember the name, because the world can push that name out of your mind by telling you there's no 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:27.440 such thing as your guardian angel. But as a child, you know there is because when you were an infant, 01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:32.720 you saw your guardian angel is clearly and as physically as I see them today. 01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:34.080 All infants do? 01:06:34.720 --> 01:06:40.160 all infants do. And then I heard you say that they lose it by about the age of three or so. 01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:48.320 Yeah, because we're brainwashing our children. I've been telling parents to say, if a mother is 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:55.920 pregnant, when your baby is born, ask your baby, don't just teach it to say, "Mama, Dada." Ask 01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:01.200 your child as well, say, "How's your guardian angel?" or "How's your soul?" Because that child 01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:06.960 will grow up more open and will do, what 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:11.600 would I say, a lot of good in the world, 01:07:11.600 --> 01:07:14.040 because they will be more compassionate, will 01:07:14.040 --> 01:07:16.440 have more love to give, because they won't 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:17.880 be so afraid. Did you talk about this 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.600 stuff with your children as they grew up? 01:07:21.600 --> 01:07:24.360 No, I didn't. I was all the time told to 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.560 keep it a secret. It's a real strange 01:07:26.560 --> 01:07:29.160 story because I couldn't read or write and 01:07:26.560 --> 01:07:34.180 my children knew it. And when the time came after my husband had died, I had said to someone 01:07:34.180 --> 01:07:40.420 I had just met, a neighbour, "I'm going to write." And you can imagine if I said that 01:07:40.420 --> 01:07:45.900 to you years ago and you knew I couldn't read or write, you'd probably just look at me. Well, 01:07:45.900 --> 01:07:52.780 my neighbour just looked at me and said, "Yeah, okay." And then I don't know how long afterwards, 01:07:52.780 --> 01:07:58.300 a knock came to the door, and I know I have it in the book as well. And again, it was 01:07:58.300 --> 01:08:06.300 someone I had met. I can't say names. He said he had a gift for us, and it was two big boxes. 01:08:06.300 --> 01:08:15.500 And I remember giving him a cup of tea, and it was a laptop and a printer and a Dragonette speak 01:08:15.500 --> 01:08:21.820 to speak into. And you can imagine me not even knowing how to do this. And then when I came down 01:08:21.820 --> 01:08:28.860 here to the farmhouse where I live now. Again, someone I had just met, a husband and wife, 01:08:28.860 --> 01:08:36.540 a neighbor here, I just told them straight out I wanted to write, because the angel said, "Say it." 01:08:36.540 --> 01:08:43.980 And I said to them, "I can't read or write." And I showed him this laptop and this printer, 01:08:43.980 --> 01:08:50.060 and he set it all up. And he'd done it in such a way that he said, "Lorna, you press this button 01:08:50.060 --> 01:08:55.100 and this button all the time. And that's the way it will work for you. And you just speak. 01:08:55.100 --> 01:09:02.780 So you dictated it. Yeah. And that's what I did. So just because you might feel you're 01:09:02.780 --> 01:09:08.540 different than someone else because you're dyslexic or because you have a disability, 01:09:08.540 --> 01:09:14.860 I think sometimes someone says a disability, you still can live life to the full. And I always 01:09:14.860 --> 01:09:22.540 remember when Angels in My Hair came out, I had so many college students in Dublin coming to the book 01:09:22.540 --> 01:09:31.820 signings and just saying, "You gave us great hope," because I was dyslexic. And it's all about giving 01:09:31.820 --> 01:09:39.020 hope, and I thank God for that every day, for every life that has been touched or given hope, 01:09:39.820 --> 01:09:46.540 give them encouragement. It's so important. So, no matter what faith you are, or even if you say 01:09:46.540 --> 01:09:52.700 you're not of any faith, it doesn't matter. Be the best person you possibly can be. 01:09:52.700 --> 01:09:59.820 Good. You've seen many possible futures, both positive and negative, and it sounds like any 01:09:59.820 --> 01:10:05.180 one of these could eventually manifest, but at the end of Chapter 10 of Angels in My Hair, 01:10:05.180 --> 01:10:09.740 You mentioned that you believe a day will come where all the good that exists within everyone 01:10:09.740 --> 01:10:15.420 will become triumphant and will overcome the bad in the world and we'll have a whole different 01:10:15.420 --> 01:10:19.580 civilization. So, perhaps we could talk about that in our remaining time. 01:10:19.580 --> 01:10:27.340 >> I do believe that will happen. The good in us, you know, will open up spiritually, 01:10:27.340 --> 01:10:34.060 that intertwining will happen, and that we will become one nation. At times I speak about, 01:10:34.780 --> 01:10:39.180 I have given just a few of the wonderful 01:10:39.180 --> 01:10:42.220 futures I have seen, 01:10:42.220 --> 01:10:43.900 okay, but it's not just one of those 01:10:43.900 --> 01:10:46.780 wonderful futures. 01:10:46.780 --> 01:10:48.380 They all come together, all those positive 01:10:48.380 --> 01:10:51.740 futures come together, 01:10:51.740 --> 01:10:53.820 and I believe mankind can do it. 01:10:53.820 --> 01:10:55.500 I'm still here in the world, and by the 01:10:55.500 --> 01:10:57.420 way, I shouldn't be here. 01:10:57.420 --> 01:10:59.260 Yeah, you had a near-death experience. 01:10:59.260 --> 01:11:01.020 I've had more than one. 01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:03.100 I'm not the ordinary human being 01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:06.940 medically. I'm one that, what would you say, 01:11:06.940 --> 01:11:09.100 can be here today and suddenly in the 01:11:09.100 --> 01:11:12.540 hospital and they don't know what to do. 01:11:12.540 --> 01:11:13.340 The body just crashes. But God has me 01:11:13.340 --> 01:11:16.380 here 01:11:16.380 --> 01:11:19.820 and each and every one of us have to 01:11:19.820 --> 01:11:21.340 believe that we are here to live life to 01:11:21.340 --> 01:11:25.020 the fullest 01:11:25.020 --> 01:11:27.500 and to change this world, to make it that 01:11:27.500 --> 01:11:28.380 beautiful place like that little glimpse of 01:11:27.500 --> 01:11:34.300 heaven. And I know we can do it. And I know in some of the futures, I said, where the children 01:11:34.300 --> 01:11:43.180 give out because they're only looking at photographs of birds, butterflies, flowers, 01:11:43.180 --> 01:11:52.220 and they're saying to us, who are here today alive, "Why did we destroy them all?" But we already know 01:11:52.220 --> 01:12:00.060 the good part of that is that here and now, at the moment, we know we have to do something to save 01:12:00.060 --> 01:12:07.820 nature, and I know we can do it, because again, another positive future is where the children 01:12:07.820 --> 01:12:15.420 can see through the eyes of their soul. They have intertwined completely, and mankind at the moment 01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:18.780 thinks that, what would I say, I have to 01:12:18.780 --> 01:12:21.900 smile, 01:12:21.900 --> 01:12:24.380 that we know everything, almost, or that 01:12:24.380 --> 01:12:27.340 we have learned everything, almost. 01:12:27.340 --> 01:12:29.020 I can assure you, you haven't. Oh, there 01:12:29.020 --> 01:12:30.300 were people in the 1800s who said that 01:12:30.300 --> 01:12:32.300 kind of thing. 01:12:32.300 --> 01:12:33.900 I just have to smile because writing 01:12:33.900 --> 01:12:36.060 this book with the scientists and the 01:12:36.060 --> 01:12:37.500 questions they have asked, and the answers 01:12:37.500 --> 01:12:40.220 I have given, 01:12:40.220 --> 01:12:40.860 they're blown away by that. But I have 01:12:40.860 --> 01:12:43.420 said, 01:12:43.420 --> 01:12:44.140 but surely you knew that, and they're saying 01:12:43.420 --> 01:12:48.620 know, and now they're discovering more 01:12:48.620 --> 01:12:51.260 and more. We have so much to... 01:12:51.260 --> 01:12:54.060 it's not to learn, I know that's a human 01:12:54.060 --> 01:12:57.420 word, but it's like to discover 01:12:57.420 --> 01:12:59.260 and realize that, like even watching the 01:12:59.260 --> 01:13:01.260 children and what they were doing with 01:13:01.260 --> 01:13:03.660 the grass and how they could see it 01:13:03.660 --> 01:13:04.300 and how they could see the life of the 01:13:04.300 --> 01:13:07.660 grass. 01:13:07.660 --> 01:13:10.460 You just see grass, you just look at it, 01:13:10.460 --> 01:13:12.940 but these children were seeing it 01:13:10.460 --> 01:13:17.100 and just watching them. And I know when I say this, people think, "Oh, that's crazy. That's not real." 01:13:17.100 --> 01:13:24.460 When I say that these children walked across the river without a bridge. This was a deep river. 01:13:24.460 --> 01:13:28.620 This is something that actually has happened now or that you envision in the future? 01:13:28.620 --> 01:13:32.220 It's part of the future. I see. So they might be able to walk on water. 01:13:32.220 --> 01:13:38.220 No, they didn't actually walk on the water. No one has asked that question. They didn't. 01:13:38.220 --> 01:13:44.140 Why I say they walked across without a bridge, a bridge is always above the water. 01:13:44.140 --> 01:13:48.380 They walked across above the water. They didn't even get their feet wet. 01:13:48.380 --> 01:13:50.300 They like hovered above the water. 01:13:50.300 --> 01:13:55.820 Not in that way. It was like as if they were walking, but walking on the air, but not hovering. 01:13:55.820 --> 01:14:00.620 So in other words, you're envisioning a time when people will have miraculous abilities, 01:14:00.620 --> 01:14:03.900 such as the kind of things Jesus did, but it will be more commonplace. 01:14:03.900 --> 01:14:06.140 But it will be normal. 01:14:06.140 --> 01:14:07.020 Normal, right. 01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:14.700 It's just like it's normal for me to see the angels physically, to see the souls of loved ones, 01:14:14.700 --> 01:14:18.860 and so much more that I see that I don't talk about as well. 01:14:18.860 --> 01:14:23.740 Well, that sounds like fun. Do you have a sense of a timeline? I mean, there are some people who 01:14:23.740 --> 01:14:29.020 say, "Well, the way climate change is going, we could have very catastrophic outcomes even within 01:14:29.020 --> 01:14:34.220 this decade, billions of people might die." Do you have any sense of how things are going to unfold, 01:14:34.220 --> 01:14:40.780 and when? Well again I would say God has 01:14:40.780 --> 01:14:44.220 me here and I'm giving you the 01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:46.380 messages and I know we can do it, no 01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:49.260 matter what happens I know we can do it 01:14:49.260 --> 01:14:52.300 and I don't want anyone if at all 01:14:52.300 --> 01:14:54.700 possible to lose their life. I want us 01:14:54.700 --> 01:14:57.900 all to make this planet like the little 01:14:57.900 --> 01:15:00.460 glimpse of heaven and we can start that. 01:15:00.460 --> 01:15:02.940 We have already started and I know a 01:15:00.460 --> 01:15:06.940 a lot of people are full of fear because we don't want things to change, but things are changing 01:15:06.940 --> 01:15:15.100 and we ourselves are changing. We ourselves are reaching inside of us to that spiritual part. 01:15:15.100 --> 01:15:22.780 It's like it's, you know, that intertwining has to start and I believe it has already started. So 01:15:22.780 --> 01:15:30.140 to me, if I'm here in the world, there is great hope and I don't know why. I'm just saying that 01:15:30.140 --> 01:15:35.580 because I shouldn't be here. 01:15:35.580 --> 01:15:37.260 You know, so there's, why does God have me here? 01:15:37.260 --> 01:15:40.060 I know I'm the messenger 01:15:40.060 --> 01:15:41.100 and giving the messages, and they're in 01:15:41.100 --> 01:15:44.140 the books and 01:15:44.140 --> 01:15:46.380 on different things I do, and even the 01:15:46.380 --> 01:15:48.940 sanctuary here in Ireland. 01:15:48.940 --> 01:15:49.580 That's a complete mystery. I don't have 01:15:49.580 --> 01:15:52.780 money, 01:15:52.780 --> 01:15:55.580 and yet this has happened. Everything is, 01:15:55.580 --> 01:15:56.460 it's mind-blowing, but we can save this 01:15:56.460 --> 01:15:59.340 world. 01:15:56.460 --> 01:16:01.100 I know we can. I believe you. I believe we 01:16:01.100 --> 01:16:03.500 can too. 01:16:03.500 --> 01:16:05.340 We can't just sort of relax and expect it 01:16:05.340 --> 01:16:07.740 to just happen, we have to do things 01:16:07.740 --> 01:16:09.740 to make it happen, but I do believe there's 01:16:09.740 --> 01:16:12.140 some kind of spiritual epidemic 01:16:12.140 --> 01:16:13.660 taking place in the world that is the 01:16:13.660 --> 01:16:16.460 hope of the world. 01:16:16.460 --> 01:16:16.940 Well, we all have to play our part and 01:16:16.940 --> 01:16:19.420 I 01:16:19.420 --> 01:16:21.180 always say, what have you got to lose? 01:16:21.180 --> 01:16:23.020 You've nothing to lose 01:16:23.020 --> 01:16:24.620 in just believing. You have to give 01:16:23.020 --> 01:16:28.700 yourself a chance. So, give it a go. You have nothing to lose whatsoever. 01:16:28.700 --> 01:16:32.860 >> Except unhappiness and fear and things like that. You can lose those. 01:16:32.860 --> 01:16:38.140 >> I would say to you a lot of that fear and unhappiness can disappear as well. 01:16:38.140 --> 01:16:38.780 >> Sure. 01:16:38.780 --> 01:16:44.140 >> You know, once hope comes in and all the governments and all the people in power, 01:16:44.140 --> 01:16:50.060 they can't take hope away from us. They can't take love away from us. They may be trying to do it, 01:16:50.060 --> 01:16:58.780 to, in a sense, to have power and control over the world. But it's like we will triumph. I know we 01:16:58.780 --> 01:17:03.980 will. Yeah. Okay, you mentioned the sanctuary, and I was looking at your website and talking to your 01:17:03.980 --> 01:17:09.820 daughter before we started, and you have this lovely place in Ireland there, which you offer 01:17:09.820 --> 01:17:15.340 retreats quite regularly, and it seems fairly small. So, the retreats aren't hundreds of people, 01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:20.140 they're fairly intimate, I gather. 01:17:20.140 --> 01:17:21.180 Well, we have a lot of them that are very 01:17:21.180 --> 01:17:23.420 intimate, 01:17:23.420 --> 01:17:24.700 because that seems to be what people are 01:17:24.700 --> 01:17:27.420 looking for, 01:17:27.420 --> 01:17:29.820 smaller groups. But we will be doing 01:17:29.820 --> 01:17:30.700 bigger groups where it'll be just a one 01:17:30.700 --> 01:17:34.220 day. 01:17:34.220 --> 01:17:36.540 Okay. Just one day, but small groups for 01:17:36.540 --> 01:17:38.220 people that are coming for three or five 01:17:38.220 --> 01:17:40.540 days. 01:17:40.540 --> 01:17:41.420 One group there I had just a little while 01:17:41.420 --> 01:17:43.900 ago, 01:17:43.900 --> 01:17:45.100 they were all teachers, and they all came 01:17:43.900 --> 01:17:51.580 from America, and I just thought it was so beautiful because they were teachers, well-educated, 01:17:51.580 --> 01:17:59.260 and they had learned so much. They said that what they had learned at the sanctuary over those five 01:17:59.260 --> 01:18:07.580 days is going to help them to be better teachers, but to be better people themselves, better 01:18:07.580 --> 01:18:13.980 loving husbands or loving wives or 01:18:13.980 --> 01:18:16.460 or whatever is within their lives. 01:18:16.460 --> 01:18:19.580 I always smile the way God seems to do 01:18:19.580 --> 01:18:23.420 it because sometimes a group could be 01:18:23.420 --> 01:18:25.420 psychologists and doctors and nurses. 01:18:25.420 --> 01:18:27.900 It's like as if God gathers them all 01:18:27.900 --> 01:18:30.860 and say, "Here Lorna, you need to talk 01:18:30.860 --> 01:18:34.380 with these people here as a small group." 01:18:34.380 --> 01:18:35.980 And we do a lot more at the sanctuary 01:18:34.380 --> 01:18:41.420 as well, we get people to get back into nature. And one thing I have been shown is that a school 01:18:41.420 --> 01:18:48.620 will be there one day, but not a school like what schools are at the moment. It's like children will 01:18:48.620 --> 01:18:55.980 come from all over the world for a few weeks at a time. Teenagers will come. And the other part, 01:18:55.980 --> 01:19:03.020 what I love is even college students will come. But it's like one part I have to smile at that 01:19:03.020 --> 01:19:10.700 God has shown me, and this is where God has shown me this bus has come, and they have come for, 01:19:10.700 --> 01:19:17.260 I think, four weeks or something like that. And in the vision I was shown was that they were getting 01:19:17.260 --> 01:19:27.020 off the bus, and they were wearing good suits, good trousers, good shoes, and I remember at this 01:19:27.020 --> 01:19:32.140 vision just smiling and saying, "Why did they come dressed like that? Do they not know where they're 01:19:32.140 --> 01:19:39.980 going. And later on, handing them Wellington boots and saying to them, "You go out and get your 01:19:39.980 --> 01:19:44.940 breakfast in the garden." They had to go out and pick their own breakfast and get their own eggs, 01:19:44.940 --> 01:19:51.580 but they were loving it. It was like spiritually companies were sending their executives, 01:19:51.580 --> 01:19:59.660 their office workers to connect back spiritually to nature. And it was like as if they were being, 01:20:00.220 --> 01:20:06.940 what would you say, plugged in and went back and were more radiant and more full of life. 01:20:06.940 --> 01:20:15.020 It was a strange kind of vision. So I know people from all over the world will come to the center 01:20:15.020 --> 01:20:21.100 and it will just grow. And I can't tell you everything because I don't even know myself. 01:20:21.100 --> 01:20:29.180 All I know that in 300 years it will still be there and more. And that's an awful long time. 01:20:29.820 --> 01:20:36.220 The only reason it's there is because 01:20:36.220 --> 01:20:40.220 someone found the book "Angels in My Hair" 01:20:40.220 --> 01:20:43.580 and it had such a huge impact and miracle 01:20:43.580 --> 01:20:46.220 in the family's life that that couple 01:20:46.220 --> 01:20:47.420 went in search of us and skipping loads of 01:20:47.420 --> 01:20:50.620 the story 01:20:50.620 --> 01:20:53.660 and came to Ireland, eventually found us. 01:20:53.660 --> 01:20:57.020 And here at the farmhouse, here 01:20:57.020 --> 01:20:59.580 they said, "Lorna, you have done so much 01:20:57.020 --> 01:21:02.620 for our family, you have saved us. We want to do something for you, so we'll build on 01:21:02.620 --> 01:21:09.100 to your farmhouse, they said, so you can see more people. But God had other plans, because 01:21:09.100 --> 01:21:15.140 when we applied for planning permission, it was turned down. So that was fine. And then 01:21:15.140 --> 01:21:22.940 one day, my son was saying, we have to find somewhere that we can even rent for a weekend 01:21:22.940 --> 01:21:30.300 where people can come. And so my son and another lady were looking online and the young woman 01:21:30.300 --> 01:21:39.100 sent my son a link. It was like an auctioneer, you know, selling houses. And said to my son, 01:21:39.100 --> 01:21:46.660 "Niall, just sending you this for a laugh." And my son looked at it and then he done the 01:21:46.660 --> 01:21:53.300 strange thing. He sent me the link on the computer and he rang me and he said, "Mom, open your 01:21:53.300 --> 01:21:59.860 computer." So I pressed my buttons, opened the computer, and he said, "You see my name?" 01:21:59.860 --> 01:22:06.020 "No." He said, "Go and click on that." So I opened it and I got a terrible shock, 01:22:06.020 --> 01:22:13.620 because the first thing I saw on that link were these two pillars and this gate, 01:22:13.620 --> 01:22:19.620 and that's where Archangel Michael stood 01:22:19.620 --> 01:22:22.180 years before my husband Joe died 01:22:22.180 --> 01:22:22.820 and said to me, "Lorna, you will live here 01:22:22.820 --> 01:22:25.700 one day." 01:22:25.700 --> 01:22:26.740 And I remember that day and my husband 01:22:26.740 --> 01:22:28.740 saying to me, 01:22:28.740 --> 01:22:30.340 because everything went in slow motion, 01:22:30.340 --> 01:22:33.700 "Are you all right?" 01:22:33.700 --> 01:22:35.540 And all as I could see the far side 01:22:35.540 --> 01:22:37.700 of those two pillars where Archangel 01:22:37.700 --> 01:22:38.660 Michael was standing was this tiny little 01:22:38.660 --> 01:22:41.780 roof 01:22:38.660 --> 01:22:47.380 and my husband was already quite ill and I said, "No way, we can't live in that, no way." But then 01:22:47.380 --> 01:22:55.860 the video link went down a long trail and inside the gates and came to this big, huge old house. 01:22:55.860 --> 01:23:03.940 I think it's 16th century or something like that, 17th century. And my son sent it to that couple 01:23:03.940 --> 01:23:11.380 that had come to see us and just said, "We don't have any money, but I'm sending it to you anyway." 01:23:11.380 --> 01:23:16.900 And they bought it. So we don't have money, they bought it. So everything that is there, 01:23:16.900 --> 01:23:26.340 others have done, which is incredible. And it's always related to where the impact of Angels in 01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:33.380 My Hair or something that I have done has helped within their life or within their family's life 01:23:33.380 --> 01:23:40.180 or has changed something, or it's like I do extreme cases as well, which I don't advertise, 01:23:40.180 --> 01:23:46.820 and that's where it could be a father's dying wish to come and spend time with me, 01:23:46.820 --> 01:23:54.020 and then the whole family come. So the farmhouse is quite small, or it could be a child, or it could be 01:23:54.020 --> 01:24:02.980 a whole family, it could be anything. So there's a lot we do that people don't know, and of course 01:24:02.980 --> 01:24:10.100 we have the Children's Foundation as well, and we help there. But the sanctuary is just a miracle. 01:24:10.100 --> 01:24:18.500 Why Ireland? Why has God done it here in Ireland? Why isn't it in America? Why hasn't the American 01:24:18.500 --> 01:24:25.620 Gathering Angels taken me over to America? I would say to God, even as a child, a teenager, 01:24:25.620 --> 01:24:30.740 I would always give out to God and say to Him, "Why didn't He make me a man? Why didn't He make 01:24:30.740 --> 01:24:35.220 me a man because I would say to God, "If I 01:24:35.220 --> 01:24:37.940 was a man, I would have got more 01:24:37.940 --> 01:24:40.260 attention." People would listen more. 01:24:40.260 --> 01:24:41.300 It's harder for a woman to give the 01:24:41.300 --> 01:24:43.620 message. 01:24:43.620 --> 01:24:46.740 Not to my mind. Well, that's good. 01:24:46.740 --> 01:24:46.740 Perfectly good message. 01:24:46.740 --> 01:24:50.900 Well, that's just sharing a little 01:24:50.900 --> 01:24:52.260 story. That's beautiful. I appreciate 01:24:52.260 --> 01:24:53.460 you taking the time to tell that, and 01:24:53.460 --> 01:24:55.700 who knows, maybe you'll end up with a 01:24:55.700 --> 01:24:56.660 network of places and different continents 01:24:56.660 --> 01:24:59.620 and all. 01:24:56.660 --> 01:25:01.460 I know all that part. Okay, that's one of those secrets you haven't told yet. 01:25:01.460 --> 01:25:07.780 Great. Well, thanks so much, Lorna. I've thoroughly enjoyed, you know, reading your 01:25:07.780 --> 01:25:12.900 books and listening to your videos and having this conversation with you. As always, I'll put up a 01:25:12.900 --> 01:25:18.340 page on Bath Gap that has some essential information, like a link to your website and links 01:25:18.340 --> 01:25:23.460 to your books. And people can go to your website and they'll find out much more detail about the 01:25:23.460 --> 01:25:26.900 retreats you're offering and 01:25:26.900 --> 01:25:28.580 anything else you may come up with in the 01:25:28.580 --> 01:25:30.100 future. Do you have a kind of an email 01:25:30.100 --> 01:25:31.700 list that people can sign up for to get 01:25:31.700 --> 01:25:33.940 notified of things? 01:25:33.940 --> 01:25:35.060 I think per, see I can't do one, I 01:25:35.060 --> 01:25:37.380 think they have 01:25:37.380 --> 01:25:38.580 that. Yeah, so they can sign up for 01:25:38.580 --> 01:25:40.580 something like that. 01:25:40.580 --> 01:25:42.740 If there is ever anything I can do for you 01:25:42.740 --> 01:25:44.820 and your family, let us know. 01:25:44.820 --> 01:25:46.020 Or if you are ever coming to Ireland, 01:25:46.020 --> 01:25:48.580 let us know. 01:25:48.580 --> 01:25:50.580 All right, I definitely will. Anything, 01:25:50.580 --> 01:25:52.020 because it's a miracle you're having us 01:25:50.580 --> 01:25:56.340 on your show. Oh, not so miraculous. I mean, you're a prime candidate for this kind of thing. 01:25:56.340 --> 01:26:03.460 I think it is a miracle. It's incredible. And I have enjoyed chatting with you. And so 01:26:03.460 --> 01:26:10.180 if there's ever anything we can do, let us know. Okay, well, thank you so much. And thanks to your 01:26:10.180 --> 01:26:14.260 daughter and other people who've been helping with this. There's a woman in New York, I believe, 01:26:14.900 --> 01:26:19.860 Beth, who has been very helpful. It's been nice dealing with her. 01:26:19.860 --> 01:26:24.900 >> I saw your wife there. Did she call in a little while ago to get the dog? 01:26:24.900 --> 01:26:28.180 >> Oh, she might have. She's sitting right, her desk is right to my left here. 01:26:28.180 --> 01:26:31.300 >> Right to your left. She's not beautiful. 01:26:31.300 --> 01:26:37.060 >> Yes, she is. All right. Well, thanks. I hope you stay in good health and live a long life 01:26:37.060 --> 01:26:43.140 because you're doing wonderful work in the world. And it's been good getting to know you. We'll stay 01:26:43.140 --> 01:26:44.340 in touch. >> Yeah, 01:26:44.340 --> 01:27:00.180 We do that. So God bless and love you. Okay, thanks. Love you too. God bless. Thanks, Lorna. 01:27:00.180 --> 01:27:16.180 [Music]