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Welcome to Buddha at the Gas Pump. My name is Rick Archer. Buddha at the Gas Pump is

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My guest today is Dr. Etta D. Jackson.

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Etta was born in Kingston, Jamaica, and migrated to the U.S. as a student in 1965.

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For 25 years, she worked in education and retired in 1994 to travel.

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She has authored four books, "Understanding Your Choice," "Unveiling the Secrets of the Feminine Principle,"

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"The Role of Consciousness in Governance," and "The Idea that is the United States of America."

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It's a cult foundation. She founded an international NGO, a non-profit organization, the Institute for Conscious Global Change, in 2007 to assist the UN and member states in eradicating extreme poverty through development.

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development. The Institute for Conscious Global Change, the ICGC, is in special consultative

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status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations. Etta holds a BA in

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Biology, MS degrees in Guidance and Counseling, and an Administrative Leadership and Supervision.

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She holds a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University. She has one daughter and

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one grandson. So, welcome, Etta. Thank you, Rick. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah, good to have you

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here. Your audience. Yeah, I was telling you before we started that Irene asked me to check out a few

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people to see which one we should invite next, and so I listened to three or four different,

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she was looking for a woman in particular, I listened to three or four different audios of

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various potential women guests, and yours kind of stood out. I thought, well, she's really

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interesting and articulate and she has an interesting personal story and I haven't talked about a lot of

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the things that she talks about on Batgap before, so I think I'd like to interview her. So here we are.

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Great, thank you very much. Yeah, because as I was saying before we started, I too wondered why you

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invited me because I thought your path was more mystical, but then I thought to myself, this is

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perfect because this is the kind of conversation I think we should be having and I would like to

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have. So, I was really happy that you extended the invitation for us to have this conversation.

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>> Good. Well, to me, mysticism has the connotation of being kind of exclusive and rare and

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something that special people somehow in history have experienced and all. And my attitude is that

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whatever mysticism involves is really the birthright of everyone and everyone can have

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such experiences and you know develop higher states of consciousness and all and that those things are

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not woo-woo and needn't be esoteric and and that in fact such development has very practical

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implications for our world. Yeah and could actually be pivotal in the ultimate solution

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to many of the problems that beset us these days.

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Yes, absolutely. My work is more "co-cult" and as I was saying earlier, I always

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use the phrase "I came to the planet" because in my memory I've always felt that I

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came here consciously. That was a decision that I made to come here and I remember telling my mom

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When I was very young I came here to help with the liberation of humanity

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Not understanding of course any of what that meant

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But just on a soul level even as a child that was always what I felt

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And so it always it has been also interesting to me to watch how that unfolded

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Because as a child, you know, you say these things because it's just in yourself

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But you have no conscious understanding of what that is

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And so for me, it began to take form because I told you as a child I've always been enveloped by this golden white light

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Yeah, talk about that

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Yes. Well, it's like a tube of light

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And it's golden white

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And it's sort of in overshadows me and that's how

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I have been

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guided or communicated to there's no

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Audible voice. It's like an imprint of the light

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in my cells. Is that there all the time? Like even right now? Or does it come and go? No, no,

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especially when certain information needs to be communicated to me. This light would overshadow me

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and the information would be like integrated into my cells as a knowing. So when the light

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says such and such, I don't, it's not a if or maybe, I know that this is what's the light.

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Yes, it's true. Yes, absolutely. So I never question it. So this continued throughout my life and when I was

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in 1975

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You can guess my age. Um in 1975. I was actually in new york living in new york

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And living in brooklyn and standing at the stoplight and the light

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Enveloped me again

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And this time said to me write this title down

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Is the title of a book that you will write so I went in my

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pocket book and got out my little notepad and wrote down the title and the title that was given to me was

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Understanding your choice and I thought it was such an abstract

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Title so I said to myself

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Understanding your choice. What is that?

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I can

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Possibly conceptualize what I could be writing about

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Understanding your choice and then I'd never written at that level of writing a book

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So I thought that that was kind of way out and I actually looked up at the light and said, are you kidding?

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Might have a sense of humor

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And I really thought that this was a mistake really to be honest

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But it just seemed like a mistake because I didn't know what understanding your choice meant

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And you have any idea what this light was and do you have any idea now or is it just something that happens and you've?

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Never really know I have always known who we call God to be the light

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Okay, when I am in contact with this light or this light overshadows me. I know it's God

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Do you feel like it's an emissary of God like an angel or something? I know it's God God

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For me, God is light.

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Okay, good.

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You know, some people might see God as a man with a beard and all of that.

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I know God as the light.

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And that light is both male and female.

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There's no differentiation.

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It's not a masculine, feminine.

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No, it's the light and that's God and it's the all.

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That's how I have always understood the light to be.

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So I wrote it down, as I always follow my directives.

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I wrote it down and as I said, looked up and said, "You're kidding me.

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You have the wrong person because I'm not a writer.

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I don't know what understanding your choice means."

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And so I wrote it down, put it in my pocketbook and just went on my way because again, I thought,

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You know, they'll realize they had made a mistake

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and we'll correct it over time.

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But every five to 10 years,

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a title would pop up in my mind again.

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And I would say the same thing.

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You have the wrong person, it's not me.

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And that continued for 25 years.

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I was 29 at the time.

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And in 2000, I had left New York by then

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'cause I'd lived in New York, left New York,

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came back and lived temporarily in Harlem, New York.

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And if you're familiar with the city.

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- Oh yeah, I grew up in Connecticut, so I used to go in.

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- Okay, oh yes, so you know New York.

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So a friend of mine was going to Kenya.

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That time there was the AIDS crisis in Kenya,

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and she had worked for the Peace Corps

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and was also a sociologist.

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And she was appointed to go to Kenya

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to help the Kenyan government with a hate crisis

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and needed somebody to stay in her apartment

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for three months.

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But when I got that email, I knew that was me

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because I kept feeling that spirit

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was pulling me back to New York.

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So I wrote her and I said,

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"I'll take your apartment for three months."

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'Cause I went on a 10 year walkabout.

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So I really had no apartment anywhere.

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Yeah, I know that's another part of the story

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where spirit had told me to give up everything.

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So I took the apartment because I knew that I should be the one staying in our apartment for that three years.

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Three years or three months?

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Three months, I'm sorry. Three months.

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So I'm in our apartment and after about a week or two, the light again said to me,

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"This time, it is now time to write the book."

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And at first I said, "What book?" You know, because of course it's 25 years, right?

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But then I quickly remembered, "Ah, that book."

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book. But for the first time in 25 years, I wasn't arguing anymore. I had got the message

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that I am to write this book, and it was beginning to be clear to me what understanding or choice

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might mean.

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Can you convey to us the subjective experience of having these instructions from the light?

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Is it like an actual audible voice?

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No.

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Or just an intuitive impulse?

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I said before, it's not audible. It's like this light just imprints this information.

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You just know it.

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Your being. It's a knowing, in fact. So that's how it works. So the light said it's now time

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to write the book and I was now at that place. And I really feel that it took those 25 years

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for me to come into the understanding of what understanding your choice meant and why at

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At that time, I was no longer arguing.

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But then I had belonged also to an esoteric order, which kind of revived the memory that

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I came in with.

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And so I had a better platform on which to now begin to write this book.

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And what was interesting, the room that I was staying in, in the apartment, was a computer

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all set up in my room.

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On the bookshelf in the living room was a book titled how to write a book

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Okay, I'm removing all of your excuses here it is so that's how it began so I began writing

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understanding your choice and I and I wrote chapter 1 there and

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Then toward the end of writing chapter 1 the light said to me

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you have to write the remainder of the book in London and the instructions were that the book was supposed to be written in a more

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academic format with

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Index and bibliography and references etc. And that there were all these esoteric libraries in London that I

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Needed to use but also in retrospect also feel that the place itself of England at the UK

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Was where this book needed to have been written not just because of the libraries libraries happen to be there, too

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Then know their libraries all over but there's a concentration of libraries in London

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Did you know that or is that something that the light knew and therefore told you to go there?

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I had been in London before on that 10-year walkabout that I just mentioned in

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1993 I was told that I was to give up everything that I own and

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And I was going to be sent around the world

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And I wouldn't know why i'm there, but when I get there, I would know why and that's exactly what happened

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Of course, my family thought that I had lost my mind

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Of course because i've had this relationship with the light all my life

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I trust the light because I know that when the light says this is what you need to do. I know that i'm good

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I'm safe

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So i've never had any fear

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That whenever the light gave me any instructions about anything

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That I needed to be afraid of anything

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So I did exactly that so I had been in london not a lot of time in london

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but

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I had lived in

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bristol

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And stayed in suppock and cornwall. So I was in england. I knew england

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So when I was told to go to london, it was not a new place and I had been to london

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prior to

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But I didn't know about the concentration of libraries in London, which I found out

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So that's how it began and I went to London. I have a friend who we had gone to high school in Jamaica together

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So I called her up and said, you know, I need to come and write this book in London. Can I hang out at your?

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House for a couple months and she said come on, you know, and that's how it happened

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and so

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During the writing of this book rick. It was just such a profound experience

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there was a cube of

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intense golden light

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That enveloped me

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Throughout the writing of that book. Wow

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Intense golden light and that light was making sure that every chapter every paragraph

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Every sentence was correctly placed. I always felt that the book was

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constituted by that golden light

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making sure that it had the right vibratory frequency by each paragraph, each sentence being

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placed correctly. And I was told that it would emit a certain frequency, even if people didn't

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understand the content of the book, but because of how the vibration that constituted it, that

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People would be impacted by it, even if they didn't cognitively

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Understand all of it. So that is how this first book was written

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Toward the end of writing that first book. The light said you have two other books to write

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And gave me the titles of the books

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and of course after 25 years of arguing I wasn't going to argue anymore about these other books that I was

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Going to have to ride. So I just accepted that and so I completed understanding your choice

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and

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This interesting thing happened

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When I completed the book

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Understanding your choice the light said

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The book needs a preface, but there's only one person on the planet that can write that preface

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And his name is dr. Eugene with words now when you hear extreme statements like that

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And I was like, your eyebrows only the only person on the planet that can write this preface

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And I thought how could that be, you know to myself and you probably hadn't never heard of the guy, right?

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I had heard of him. I didn't know who dr. Pittsburgh was when I was living in New York

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I taught in the New York City Public School system and I had a very good friend who one day said to me, uh,

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You know, there's this dr. Eric Butterworth who what heard of who comes to Avery Fisher Hall

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Every Sunday morning and give these lectures, you know new age lectures and

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I think we should go together

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So I would meet her at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center every Sunday morning to hear dr

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Eric Butterworth and outside Avery Fisher Hall was this table and on the table were these books that they were selling

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of new age authors. So there was this book by this Dr. Eugene Whitworth called the nine

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faces of Christ and the subtitle a quest for initiation. And I was instantly drawn to that

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book. I bought it, took it home, read it from cover to cover. So when the light said to

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me that Dr. Whitworth is this person that had to write the preface, I did know of him, but

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didn't know this man. So in my mind I'm saying, "How am I gonna just write this man and say,

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'Could you write the preface to my book?'" But I always know that when the light says what it says,

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it knows what it's doing, and it seems strange to me, but okay, if that's what you say, then,

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you know, of course, somehow, somewhere, it should happen, because it always does,

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But had no idea so I come back from london

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And I am in southern california

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Mission viejo

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I'm at this friend's house. We had gone to thailand many years prior

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And she had her friend come over to the house and the friend brought this friend and the friend said

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I am here at a workshop given by dr. Whitworth in laguna beach. I said

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dr. Whitworth

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Father

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Okay

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Now I beginning to see this connection. So I said to her I wrote this book

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And would love if dr. Whistford would write the preface for it

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Rick what I was expecting from her is that lady

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Dr. Whistford doesn't know you. Why would you write the preface to your book? But interestingly, she didn't say that

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She said to me

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I live in chicago

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By the way, Dr. Whitworth lived in San Francisco.

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So she lives in Chicago, but she was down for the workshop in Laguna Beach.

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So when I go back to Chicago, I will write Dr. Whitworth and tell him that I met you

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and ask him if he would write the preface to your book.

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So she did.

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And I kind of thought she would just forget about this woman,

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crazy lady wanting a preface from Dr. Whitworth.

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But I heard back from her a week later

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She wrote dr. Whiffer told him about me

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And he wrote her and said tell her I want to know everything about her and I want her to send me the synopsis

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To all the chapters to the book

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So I sent her my cv and I sent her a synopsis of all seven chapters of the book

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She sent it to him and he wrote her back and said tell her I want to read the manuscript

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So I sent her the manuscript

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She sent it to him and I said tell him that in two weeks

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I am going to call him to ask him after reading the manuscript of course if he would write the preface

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So by then two weeks later, I was back in London and I called dr. Whispert and I

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Said dr. Whispert. This is at a Jackson and

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Before I could say anything else. He said kid what a contribution you're about to make to humanity

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Wow, so I said dr. Whisper coming from you. That's a great compliment

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And he said I don't give them out lightly either

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And he says when are you coming back to the United States?

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And I said, I don't know and he said when you come I want you to come and see me

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So I could buy you a puffy burger. What's up?

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I was gonna ask

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So he says when you come you will find out well

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He never did commit to writing the preface and I was not going to pressure him into doing so either

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So I just kind of left it but as the universe would have it

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I'm back in the United States and I got a phone call from my

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older sister

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Saying that that we have in San Francisco who by the way was actually the same age as dr

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with

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about the preface. So he said, "Of course, I would love to see you." So we arranged and

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I got to his office. So I walked in, he has this office downtown San Francisco, and he's

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there behind this desk, tall white man, and his wife was standing there. And before I

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could sit down, he hands me the page and he says, "Here is the preface to your book."

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And I was like, wow, I was so excited.

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Then he said, "Sit down.

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I have a story to tell you."

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And I'm wondering, what story could he be wanting to tell me?

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And he began the story, Rick, by saying, "Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many,

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many, many years ago."

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And as he was saying the many, many, it sounded like 46 years ago.

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He said, "The boys upstairs told him that there's a book to be written that contains

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seven chapters.

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They told me what the content of the book would be.

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And they told me that I could not write this book, but that someone would come along who

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would write this book.

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He says, "When I read your manuscript, I knew this was the book."

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You can imagine I almost fell off the chair.

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And what was so profound about this story is to see that this man that I'm just meeting,

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And in my mind, 46 years ago, I had been holding this vision for this book to come into manifestation.

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And so I just thought, "Wow, this is interesting.

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He's white, I'm black, I'm short, he's tall.

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You talk about the pairs of opposites."

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And here it is that we had had this relationship for all these many, many, many, many years

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ago.

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I understood then also later that one of the reasons I think the lady did not ask me

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Lady, who are you and why dr?

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Whistler would want to write breakfast for your book is because I heard because he has been holding this vision for this book

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to come into manifestation

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Anyone he knew who was writing a spiritual book. He would ask to see it

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And so he had been looking for this book all these years

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And so that's why I think she wasn't surprised didn't dismiss me rather

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When I asked her about it

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so he said to me

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that

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Just like his book that he wrote it, but it took a while for it to go out into the public

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Because it wasn't time yet. He says that's also true for yours

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Not yet, and I said that's exactly what I was told by the light not yet

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Because humanity was not ready for this kind of information

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And I knew the time would come

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and I also knew that he was

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Waiting to meet me to have this conversation about the book

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And that he would make his transition. It's almost like one of those

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Things that he needed to do before he made his transition

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He needed to meet me to tell me the story and I have been awed by it

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I have forgotten it over the years, but over the past few

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Weeks i've thought about it and actually went back and read the preface

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And it is just so right on and you see that

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We're all one

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And that we have connections with one another far beyond what we can imagine

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So that was it

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The other piece I thought was rather interesting that after I wrote the book got the preface

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I reached out to this lady who was a literary agent to ask her to try to promote the book

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And I never heard back from her. She wouldn't respond to me

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And then one day she said because I don't understand the book

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And then at first I thought oh my god, do I have to write this book all over because you know, she doesn't understand it

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What does that mean?

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So when I need to meditate I walk

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So I left the house

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I left the house and went walking so I could find out what is this? Do I have to write this book

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all over again? And as I was walking, I heard this voice that we have come to associate with

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Nostradamus, and I heard this voice coming out of me, "The book remains, the book explained."

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And I turned around walked back home

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Went to my computer and in one sitting wrote the author's note

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And when I did that I knew the book was completed

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And so this has been these interesting things about this first book and of course

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After that, I started writing the other two unveiling the secrets of the feminine principle and that was really about

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Helping humanity to understand who is the feminine who is the divine feminine?

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She is in fact the third aspect of the divine

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triad

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the divine mother

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The holy spirit that people have been waiting for it is she and she's saying I am unveiling

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Myself it is now time for you to know who I really am

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As the creative principle of the universe

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And that's what that book is about

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And then the third book, of course all titles were given to me the role of consciousness and governance

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to help us understand that

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all governments below are an imperfect reflection of the

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Governance above and that everything here was put in place

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for the development of society for the establishment of the rule of law

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And to understand how this government below reflects the government above

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So I was asked this was my remit as I understood it

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That I was to take this body of ancient knowledge

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and make it

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available to humanity in the simplest form possible and

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That is what I hope I did

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in these three volumes

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The fourth book is actually chapter eight of my third book, but I thought that that chapter needed to be

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Expanded on a little bit and made more accessible

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So I made it into an ebook and then this, you know, finally paperback is available

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also

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But to help us understand the role of the united states why the united states was established

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The purpose for which it was established not only for america

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But for the world because it has an integral role

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It was created to

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Bring light to the world and I know that people might say light to the world with all the things that it's doing

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But one of the other things and in that same regard

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One of the things that I was told by the light in writing understanding your choice that the book should be couched

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In the story of the prodigal son and like the prodigal son who left home

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Those who know the story and it's a symbolic story. It's really not a religious story. It's really one of the most esoteric

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stories

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that transcends

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religion

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Cultures it's about us

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We came here

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Just like the prodigal son left home and came into the far country

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So that the humanities this planet

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So one of the other points of the prodigal son that the light wanted me to emphasize was that the prodigal son was not thrown

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Out of the father's house. He made a choice

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Again understanding your choice. He made a choice

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He knew that he could not

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Expand if he were to stay in this cloistered environment

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Here was he in the palace had all access everything he needed servants and everything. He wasn't stretched

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as a human being. He came to the realization that if I am to become more,

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if I am to realize who I really am, I need to get out of this cloistered

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environment, this secure environment, and go out into the distant lands to meet my

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brothers and sisters so I can know myself. And in the same way, humanity came to

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this distant land we call Earth, the farthest reaches of the galaxy, to have

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an experience that we could not have otherwise. So that's the analogy that he

00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:15.360
wanted me to make to the story of the prodigal son and our own collective and

00:31:15.360 --> 00:31:20.580
individual journey. As you know there's no way you can know more if you ever stay

00:31:20.580 --> 00:31:26.640
mentally physically in the same place and never go out from that place. So that's

00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:33.540
the story that he wanted me to convey in this book and that at some point as is

00:31:33.540 --> 00:31:39.100
the story of the prodigal son. As the story went, there's a certain point in his

00:31:39.100 --> 00:31:44.060
journey after he had spent all the money that his father had given him and he had

00:31:44.060 --> 00:31:49.620
sort of gone to the lowest possible level of his life. The story says he came

00:31:49.620 --> 00:31:56.580
to himself and esoterically that place that one comes to in oneself is at that

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Scorpio place. You know about the chakras. There's a return of that energy in the

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body and that is the going home. And just like on a planetary level, humanity is on the path of return

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now that we have at the end of the Piscian Age. The prodigal son came to that place in himself

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where he says, "I now must return to my father's house." And unlike the Christian story that felt

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that he had done wrong and he was going to be punished by the father, there was no such thing.

00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:37.180
The father was always looking down the road waiting for his son to come back home because the father who was a wise man

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Knew that the information that he would gather going out into the far country would only expand him

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So the father was always looking for him and he looked down the street one day and there he was

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Coming back home and he ran to meet him

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And actually put a cloak around him

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And escorted him home and as the story goes he was elevated

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There were these two sons the older was stayed at home and the younger went into the far country

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And he was elevated above the son that remained because of the consciousness

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That he had gained by the experiences that he had had

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Having gone out and experienced life to the depths of the experiences as the story went

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So the light wanted me to convey that story that there's no

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Condemnation that we're here to have experiences

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So that those experiences would expand us

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As human beings and it would come back into a knowing of who we are as not just

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humans, but also god

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and that was one of the essential points of

00:33:48.840 --> 00:33:54.600
Understanding Your Choice" to help humanity to understand that he's here having an experience

00:33:54.600 --> 00:33:57.560
that he couldn't otherwise have anywhere else.

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And we're on an experiment and that we chose and why the title "Understanding Your Choice".

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I was also told that toward the end of the Piscean Age that humanity would be in turmoil

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trying to understand what's going on.

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Because as we know, we're at this change point in our evolution.

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We're at the end of the Piscean Age, the mystical age, and we're on the path of return, moving

00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:28.340
into the age of occultism, which is another part of this conversation.

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And they told me that at this point that humanity would be in a lot of turmoil, trying to figure

00:34:33.080 --> 00:34:38.200
out what's going on, what's happening, all these changes are taking place, and wanted

00:34:38.200 --> 00:34:43.820
me to write the books to put context to people's experiences.

00:34:43.820 --> 00:34:49.220
hear astrologers say this is happening and mediums say that is happening, whatever, and

00:34:49.220 --> 00:34:55.620
wanting the books to help contextualize the experiences that we're having. They're not

00:34:55.620 --> 00:35:01.180
willy-nilly and it's not because there's some force trying to destroy you, but there's a

00:35:01.180 --> 00:35:06.860
context and the context is that we chose to come here to be part of an experiment. We

00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:13.380
chose to do this. And if you understand the context of the choice that you made, then

00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:18.100
the experiences that you have, they would have more meaning. They would make more sense.

00:35:18.100 --> 00:35:24.020
It's like a woman giving birth. The midwife knows exactly all the stages of the birthing

00:35:24.020 --> 00:35:29.520
process. So when the mother is going through all these different changes, she doesn't get

00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:35.140
excited and thrown off because she knows that this takes place and then this happens and

00:35:35.140 --> 00:35:38.140
and that happens and that's the process.

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And so this is part of why the books are to be written, so that humanity when they see

00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:48.500
these things or hear about these things, they have a context for what's happening so that

00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:52.860
they're not frightened and petrified and scared.

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So that was why also they wanted me to wait until humanity was at a point where they could

00:35:58.660 --> 00:36:03.700
intellectually understand and not just respond from an emotional perspective.

00:36:03.700 --> 00:36:06.820
David Good, well there's a lot to unpack in all

00:36:06.820 --> 00:36:09.920
that, and we have about an hour and a half in which to unpack it.

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.180
Maybe a couple of questions to get you started in unpacking it.

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I deduce from your comments about the prodigal son that we're all prodigal sons and daughters

00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:25.500
and that we've all chosen to come here and as rough as life may sometimes be, there is

00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:31.820
a valuable lesson in it and none of us are doomed to ultimate failure.

00:36:31.820 --> 00:36:38.020
learning and in many cases it's difficult that learning process but in the end it

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will prove to have been necessary and valuable. Perhaps you could define

00:36:44.540 --> 00:36:50.220
occultism versus mysticism. How do you define those two words? I hope people

00:36:50.220 --> 00:36:54.780
don't get offended by this but I remember saying to me that I should

00:36:54.780 --> 00:37:01.420
explain. I think it's chapter two, I can't remember now, really explaining that

00:37:01.420 --> 00:37:08.420
Mysticism is like 11th grade and Occultism is 12th grade.

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The age of Pisces is the age of Mysticism that we're ending.

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And we're now moving into the age of Occultism.

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And interestingly, a couple minutes before the show, I went to my library and looked at this book.

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It's called "The Light of the Soul"

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And there is this statement here on page 47 that says,

00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.420
"The mystic must eventually become the occultist.

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The head qualities and the heart qualities must be equally developed,

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for both are equally divine."

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And when I read it, I said, "Wow, it's almost like the Spurge sent me to the library

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and picked up that book and opened the page and there it was."

00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.220
Because I knew that you follow more mystical paths.

00:37:54.220 --> 00:37:59.260
But in my book, I talk about this, that it's the next step up,

00:37:59.260 --> 00:38:05.660
"Occultism". And I know for many people, that's the term "Occultism". I was talking with a friend

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recently and she says, "I always thought that Occultism is about Ouija boards, you know,

00:38:11.180 --> 00:38:18.380
and all those dark forces." And I said, "The definition of Occult is veiled knowledge."

00:38:19.020 --> 00:38:25.180
That's what it means. She says, "Are you kidding me? That's what it is?" Yes, that's it. It's not

00:38:25.180 --> 00:38:32.300
all those dark ideas that you have in your head. We talk about the heart and the mind. They must

00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:38.460
be fused. There is no way that you can surrender your mind. And it also speaks to the fact that

00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:46.540
there is no separation. There is no this or that. It's always this and that because everything is

00:38:46.540 --> 00:38:55.500
part of one whole. And so we're moving now out of the age of mysticism into the age of occultism

00:38:55.500 --> 00:39:04.620
and why this information that I am bringing to the public is timely. Because mysticism tends to be

00:39:04.620 --> 00:39:14.060
more of a feeling. I feel God and now you must know God. It's no longer a feeling, it's a knowing.

00:39:14.620 --> 00:39:23.100
So occultism is the knower and so this information is meant to help walk you through mysticism

00:39:23.100 --> 00:39:28.940
into occultism and help you better understand that. And I think that's why also I was asked

00:39:28.940 --> 00:39:34.140
to write the books in a more academic format so that it's not just what Edda is saying,

00:39:34.140 --> 00:39:39.820
there are all these references to this work so that you can go and research for yourself

00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:44.300
because you must use your mind. It's only when the mind and the heart are fused together that

00:39:44.300 --> 00:39:50.060
you can achieve enlightenment. And I have also looked at my books after I finished reading them

00:39:50.060 --> 00:39:55.100
and realized that they're all about initiation. In different forms are the other, but they're all

00:39:55.100 --> 00:40:02.620
about initiation. So I hope that answers the question about mysticism and occultism, that

00:40:02.620 --> 00:40:09.580
we're on a path. We're on a path of return because the age of Pisces oversaw the coming in of bodies

00:40:10.220 --> 00:40:14.540
and the development of the physical, emotional and mental bodies

00:40:14.540 --> 00:40:22.060
in preparation for your soul to be able to dwell within. But it has to have a vehicle.

00:40:22.060 --> 00:40:26.860
The personality vehicle consists of the physical, emotional and mental bodies.

00:40:26.860 --> 00:40:33.660
Those bodies have to be prepared so that you can house your spirit to dwell in you,

00:40:33.660 --> 00:40:39.920
So that god can dwell in man in earth because this earth is supposed to be virtualized

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.980
But in order for that to happen the vehicle must be prepared

00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:48.540
So you must lift yourself up. This word is not going to come all the way down

00:40:48.540 --> 00:40:55.660
You have to do some of the lifting and get yourself to a certain place. So your vibration is able to

00:40:55.660 --> 00:40:57.660
accommodate

00:40:57.660 --> 00:41:03.100
the frequency of that higher vibration that you want to house in your body so that you become

00:41:03.100 --> 00:41:08.340
God and man because that's who you really are and you are in this physical

00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:14.320
dimension to realize that to see them separated out mentally and to be able to

00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:19.660
then bring them back together consciously as the whole. Sure the body is the temple

00:41:19.660 --> 00:41:24.260
of the soul. Absolutely. So you know we hear about the Christian mystics such as

00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:29.340
Saint Teresa of Avila, Saint John of the Cross and many others and they're

00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:35.900
They're obviously mystics in every tradition, South American shamans and Indian yogis and

00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:38.460
Tibetan yogis and so on and so forth.

00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:46.940
And my understanding of them was always that these are people who had deep spiritual experience,

00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:52.740
it wasn't just philosophizing or imagination, they were definitely cognizing deeper levels

00:41:52.740 --> 00:41:59.560
of reality and embodying them, but that they were considered rare and unusual souls, not

00:41:59.560 --> 00:42:05.760
your average person, and the average person generally hasn't aspired to that kind of thing

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.880
or considered it possible for them.

00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:15.780
But I also believe and know this, that in all of those traditions, there's occultism.

00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:20.360
They might not be expressed to they, because I was brought up a Catholic, but that's a

00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:26.720
a very occult institution, and they might not divulge many of what they know to the public,

00:42:26.720 --> 00:42:34.960
and it seems more they go to the priests and tell their woes, but there is occultism in

00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:42.680
all of the ancient religion, and I'm saying now in a much more overt way, and in a more

00:42:42.680 --> 00:42:48.920
conscious way, we're going to see the veils removed from many of these ancient religions

00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:57.300
who even are expressed as mystical, that they will begin to see that in fact there is much

00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:01.160
deeper knowledge in all of those religions.

00:43:01.160 --> 00:43:02.160
So, for instance...

00:43:02.160 --> 00:43:04.800
They're not separated from...

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:09.360
So maybe as a for instance, maybe this will clarify the point you're making, these days

00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.660
we have the internet and all this knowledge is spreading around and you can hear lectures

00:43:13.660 --> 00:43:20.180
on the Upanishads and other esoteric scriptures that at a certain stage you had to join an

00:43:20.180 --> 00:43:26.100
ashram and serve the guru for X number of years before you would be allowed to hear that kind

00:43:26.100 --> 00:43:27.100
of knowledge.

00:43:27.100 --> 00:43:28.100
Now, it's there on YouTube.

00:43:28.100 --> 00:43:29.100
Yes.

00:43:29.100 --> 00:43:30.860
So, is this an example of what you're talking about?

00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:31.860
Absolutely.

00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:33.940
This hidden knowledge is becoming public.

00:43:33.940 --> 00:43:40.700
Because the Pius C.N.A. was about developing the mental, emotional bodies.

00:43:40.700 --> 00:43:44.600
Because there's certain kind of information or levels of information you're not able to

00:43:44.600 --> 00:43:46.260
integrate.

00:43:46.260 --> 00:43:53.180
When you're a vehicle, you don't have the capacity to understand certain levels of knowledge.

00:43:53.180 --> 00:43:59.620
So more and more, and why, like you're saying, this information is now becoming public knowledge.

00:43:59.620 --> 00:44:06.940
Because we now, as Pisces has so ably done, facilitated the development of the physical,

00:44:06.940 --> 00:44:13.740
emotional and mental bodies and matured them to the point where now many of humanity have

00:44:13.740 --> 00:44:21.100
the capacity to understand this level of information and why the veil, this is really the removing

00:44:21.100 --> 00:44:26.100
of the veil, is being removed because humanity is now capable.

00:44:26.100 --> 00:44:31.700
Just like how you wouldn't teach calculus to a 10 year old because he will in the future

00:44:31.700 --> 00:44:37.460
have the capacity to understand calculus, but at that age, he does not yet have the capacity

00:44:37.460 --> 00:44:42.340
to understand that level of knowledge. And that's all it is. And it's not a good or bad or wrong or

00:44:42.340 --> 00:44:47.380
right. It's just, it's a continuum. It's an evolution of development. Yeah.

00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:54.020
Jesus said, don't cast your pearls before swine. Basically, don't give out stuff to people that

00:44:54.020 --> 00:44:57.380
they can't understand because they'll misunderstand it and turn again and rend you.

00:44:57.940 --> 00:45:03.300
Exactly, exactly. Of course in these days everything is just being propagated everywhere on the internet

00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:08.180
and I can think of examples where people misinterpret some of these higher teachings

00:45:08.180 --> 00:45:13.140
and it turns into something that actually damages their lives instead of enhances them.

00:45:13.140 --> 00:45:17.460
Absolutely. But I guess that's the way it is because you can't really filter it so that only

00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:22.820
certain people can see something if they're going to do it on the internet. Yeah, but then the whole

00:45:22.820 --> 00:45:31.300
world cannot stop for the few. And I read somewhere that statement that was made over 100 years ago,

00:45:31.300 --> 00:45:38.420
that toward the end of the Piscean Age, there is 67% of humanity that will develop the capacity to

00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:44.580
move into the Aquarian Age, and 33% won't. And there's also the understanding that many souls

00:45:44.580 --> 00:45:50.580
are here that are new, and they have to go through the process of understanding what Earth is. They

00:45:50.580 --> 00:45:56.860
They came here purposely to understand this earth experiment and they will not have developed

00:45:56.860 --> 00:46:01.100
the capacity to transition into the Aquarian age.

00:46:01.100 --> 00:46:08.820
So we just need to bless them and understand that they have their path to travel and allow

00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:13.220
them to move through this process as they're able.

00:46:13.220 --> 00:46:16.000
Are you implying that there will be a lot of death?

00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.000
There will be a lot of death.

00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.900
The population will be sort of diminished?

00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:22.900
Dr. Debra Hixson There will be, interesting that you say that,

00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:30.900
Pisces oversaw the coming in of bodies, large numbers of bodies, and Aquarius will oversee

00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:33.420
the quality of bodies.

00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:39.220
So there will be a number of souls that will leave because the coming vibration is not

00:46:39.220 --> 00:46:41.300
something that they can handle.

00:46:41.300 --> 00:46:46.860
They would not have the capacity to handle this level of vibration that's coming in for

00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:48.140
the Aquarian age.

00:46:48.140 --> 00:46:49.140
And so it's merciful.

00:46:49.140 --> 00:46:50.140
Yeah, I've often wondered about that.

00:46:50.140 --> 00:46:55.460
And of course, you know, certain Christian sects think that they're the chosen ones and

00:46:55.460 --> 00:47:00.300
they're going to get lifted up and everybody else is going to be destroyed or whatever.

00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:04.040
So everybody wants to be in the end group.

00:47:04.040 --> 00:47:08.320
But in this context, I've often wondered because, you know, I'm the kind of person who has long

00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.940
felt that the world is going to undergo a huge change.

00:47:12.940 --> 00:47:17.140
And that there are a lot of things that are very entrenched economic systems, business

00:47:17.140 --> 00:47:22.900
system, all kinds of things, even religious institutions that wouldn't really fit in too

00:47:22.900 --> 00:47:26.660
well in a more enlightened age and somehow or other they're either going to have to be

00:47:26.660 --> 00:47:28.820
transformed or destroyed.

00:47:28.820 --> 00:47:31.000
Yeah, and that's true.

00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.580
And that's why I was saying that souls leaving the planet, for many souls who just can't

00:47:36.580 --> 00:47:43.140
accommodate the new frequency that's coming in, it's really merciful for them to leave.

00:47:43.140 --> 00:47:48.740
know, we think about death as being so, in many cases, cruel and whatever, but it can

00:47:48.740 --> 00:47:56.740
be of great mercy for souls to transition because it would be more painful to be in a body where

00:47:56.740 --> 00:48:03.620
you're tormented by a frequency of energy that is just so disruptive to everything that

00:48:03.620 --> 00:48:05.780
you're capable of understanding.

00:48:05.780 --> 00:48:09.300
David Well, as the Gita puts it, certain indeed is

00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:14.340
death for the born and certain is birth for the dead. So, I think we've all been through it many

00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:21.060
times. Yes, yes we have. Yeah. You know, the much worse things that can happen to you than dying.

00:48:21.060 --> 00:48:25.780
No, and you know, there's really no death as such. We transition.

00:48:25.780 --> 00:48:29.620
It's like changing clothes in a way, just a little bit more inconvenient.

00:48:29.620 --> 00:48:37.860
Yes. But those souls also chose to come in. Everybody's life passed and as unfair as it

00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:44.180
might appear. In fact, we all signed up for this journey.

00:48:44.180 --> 00:48:47.140
Yeah, what would you say about, say someone's listening and they say,

00:48:47.140 --> 00:48:52.740
"Really? I mean, people chose to go through the Holocaust or they chose to be born in the Sudan,

00:48:52.740 --> 00:48:56.660
you know, where everybody's starving to death. And why would somebody choose something like that?

00:48:56.660 --> 00:48:58.020
You know, what are they learning from that?"

00:48:58.020 --> 00:49:01.140
But you don't choose that. That's why when you come in, you forget.

00:49:01.140 --> 00:49:05.940
You forget that you chose. But apparently you did choose that kind of fate.

00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:12.820
you chose but in the coming in we begin to lose our memory. Why do you lose your memory? If I

00:49:12.820 --> 00:49:20.660
remember that I was all that and I chose to come in to go through the suffering and I still have

00:49:20.660 --> 00:49:26.580
this conscious memory that life is like wonderful on the other side and none of this is true,

00:49:26.580 --> 00:49:32.500
how tormenting would that be? Yeah, it'd be worse. And also you could not give your full attention to

00:49:32.500 --> 00:49:39.060
the experience that you have. Now I talk about this in my books. In order for you to have a complete

00:49:39.060 --> 00:49:44.420
experience in matter, you have to not know that there is something else. You have to go through

00:49:44.420 --> 00:49:50.180
it so that your body, because we came here to feel, and then the mind to make meaning out of

00:49:50.180 --> 00:49:57.300
that experience. And so if you always remember that what I'm experiencing is just a, I am on a stage,

00:49:58.180 --> 00:50:05.060
and this is all mocked up, then the experience cannot be as authentic as it needs to be.

00:50:05.060 --> 00:50:11.140
Because your selves, that experience needs to be integrated into your selves as knowledge.

00:50:11.140 --> 00:50:15.620
Then you make meaning out of it as you start to come out of the darkness.

00:50:15.620 --> 00:50:21.220
Yeah, I had a very bright young friend who all of his life, I didn't know him all of his life,

00:50:21.220 --> 00:50:26.100
so his parents said that all of his life he kept saying, "I don't belong here. This is not my true

00:50:26.100 --> 00:50:30.500
home and I really should check out, you know, and they're saying, "No, no, stay, you know,

00:50:30.500 --> 00:50:32.160
we love you, you're our son."

00:50:32.160 --> 00:50:37.180
And we became good friends and then around the time I was starting BatGap, about 14, 13

00:50:37.180 --> 00:50:41.140
years ago, he was about 25 years old, he killed himself.

00:50:41.140 --> 00:50:46.900
And he was really a bright guy, very intelligent, very spiritual, and I thought it was a wrong

00:50:46.900 --> 00:50:47.900
choice.

00:50:47.900 --> 00:50:51.380
But I tell the story to emphasize the point you're making, which is that if we had this

00:50:51.380 --> 00:50:56.180
clear recollection that we don't belong here, we might be tempted to check out and then we

00:50:56.180 --> 00:51:01.700
wouldn't really learn the lessons we came here to learn. Yeah, and there are many of these young

00:51:01.700 --> 00:51:06.660
people. I used to be a guidance counselor and I used to have my office filled with these young

00:51:06.660 --> 00:51:11.700
people sitting on the floor and we're just having these wonderful conversations because here are

00:51:11.700 --> 00:51:18.500
these brilliant souls who came in to help us transition into the next stage. But they're new

00:51:18.500 --> 00:51:24.820
to this and it's harsh. You come here and you come from this place where you know what your

00:51:24.820 --> 00:51:30.100
experience is nothing like where you came from and that's why we need older souls to help these

00:51:30.100 --> 00:51:36.180
young people. Listen to them. They're the ones who are going to help us into the new age. They come in

00:51:36.180 --> 00:51:42.020
with information that will need to take us to the next step but they also need orientation and I

00:51:42.020 --> 00:51:48.580
And I think that there is a reason why Aquarius is ruled by both Saturn, the old, and Uranus,

00:51:48.580 --> 00:51:49.640
the new.

00:51:49.640 --> 00:51:55.400
So here we have these polar opposites again, and the older people with their knowledge

00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:00.400
and wisdom need to take these young people under their wings and help them orient to life

00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.580
on planet Earth and what it's about.

00:52:03.580 --> 00:52:08.520
And again, this information will better help these young people to understand, yes, you

00:52:08.520 --> 00:52:12.840
came in because there's this fantastic thing that is happening as awful as it appears.

00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:18.920
There's this wonderful transition that is taking this transformation that's taking place on this

00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:25.240
planet and you chose to come here to be a part of it to experience it and it might be only for 25

00:52:25.240 --> 00:52:30.920
years that this soul needed to be on this planet to experience this but he left with an information

00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:38.440
that he never would have had had he not come here. So it's all part of the dance. Yeah and I think

00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.600
by the same token, the older people need to recognize that the younger people that you're

00:52:42.600 --> 00:52:48.280
referring to might have something that they, the older people, don't have. You know that line from

00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:53.560
Dylan, he said, what is it, "Mothers and fathers across the land, don't criticize what you can't

00:52:53.560 --> 00:52:59.160
understand. Your sons and daughters are beyond your command, for the old road is rapidly aging."

00:52:59.160 --> 00:53:03.400
Get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand for the times they are changing.

00:53:04.680 --> 00:53:10.760
That's exactly it. I surround myself with young people because I know they have something to teach me

00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:17.480
And I have something to teach them and when you enter into a relationship with them with that mutual respect

00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:19.160
that

00:53:19.160 --> 00:53:24.780
They are here to teach you just as much as you are here to teach them. I think it becomes a wonderful relationship

00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:32.600
And everybody benefits. Yeah, and so I agree totally and you know these days there's all these culture wars and

00:53:33.220 --> 00:53:40.020
Rhonda Sanders is hooting and hollering about everybody woke and there's a lot of people who

00:53:40.020 --> 00:53:43.940
are very uncomfortable with a lot of the changes that are taking place. So there's this polarity

00:53:43.940 --> 00:53:49.460
or tension between those who want it to be the good old way and those who are just breaking out

00:53:49.460 --> 00:53:55.620
of the shackles and doing things differently. And I think because things are moving so rapidly,

00:53:55.620 --> 00:53:58.980
Those who cannot keep up with the change

00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:02.020
Want things to remain as they have been

00:54:02.020 --> 00:54:05.380
Which cannot be that's why I listened to

00:54:05.380 --> 00:54:09.780
Ron de santis and I just understand that he's playing the role but

00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:12.100
that cannot be

00:54:12.100 --> 00:54:13.220
because

00:54:13.220 --> 00:54:15.220
The planet is going in a different direction

00:54:15.220 --> 00:54:20.180
He's where he is and want to stay there, but my friend

00:54:20.180 --> 00:54:22.900
Sorry

00:54:22.900 --> 00:54:25.060
It's not going to be

00:54:25.220 --> 00:54:29.780
So I suspect that he won't be in that position for long.

00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:32.100
- I hope not, or someone worse.

00:54:32.100 --> 00:54:32.900
- No.

00:54:32.900 --> 00:54:38.660
- So again, we have a fair amount of time here,

00:54:38.660 --> 00:54:42.100
and so we want to really get into the nitty-gritty of your books more.

00:54:42.100 --> 00:54:46.180
We're kind of doing that, I guess, as we speak, but I want to make sure that

00:54:46.180 --> 00:54:49.460
you feel by the end of this conversation that you've had a chance to really

00:54:49.460 --> 00:54:53.460
hit on the main points that you've tried to convey in your books.

00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:58.340
And I'll leave it to you to guide us in the order in which you want to unveil these points. Yeah

00:54:58.340 --> 00:55:02.900
One of the other things about these books, they're not self-help books

00:55:02.900 --> 00:55:05.480
And I always say they're not for the curious

00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.280
They're for people who are really serious about wanting to have a deeper understanding

00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:18.020
Of who they are where they came from why they're here and what is their destiny and i've laid that out. Well

00:55:18.020 --> 00:55:20.740
I think i've done my remit

00:55:21.140 --> 00:55:27.380
So the information is there and it's really basically those questions that I just cited who am I?

00:55:27.380 --> 00:55:31.620
Where did I come from? What am I doing here? And where am I going?

00:55:31.620 --> 00:55:36.900
And that's what I attempt to do in the three books to really go deep

00:55:36.900 --> 00:55:40.840
Into who we are as part of this vast universe

00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.580
And that we are much more than we think we are

00:55:44.580 --> 00:55:47.140
And to help take us back home

00:55:47.700 --> 00:55:51.240
Again, like the prodigal son going back home to her godhood

00:55:51.240 --> 00:55:55.940
That you know, I talk about and understand that you are both god and man

00:55:55.940 --> 00:55:58.180
You are a god man

00:55:58.180 --> 00:56:04.180
And I know that for many people it's offensive to even say that but that's who you are and that's why

00:56:04.180 --> 00:56:09.940
Again, it took a while, you know, I was told that people are not ready yet

00:56:09.940 --> 00:56:14.440
Because you need to be mature enough emotionally and mentally

00:56:14.900 --> 00:56:18.580
To be able to look at my works and read them and say hmm

00:56:18.580 --> 00:56:22.200
Let me ponder this instead of emotionally

00:56:22.200 --> 00:56:26.100
Rejecting this because this is not something that you were taught

00:56:26.100 --> 00:56:32.680
So I hope that people will take the time to go into the information

00:56:32.680 --> 00:56:38.820
On amazon and I think on my website too. I go through a synopsis of each of the chapters

00:56:39.460 --> 00:56:43.780
In my books so that you get an idea of what each chapter is about

00:56:43.780 --> 00:56:46.500
So you can get a sense of what this is about

00:56:46.500 --> 00:56:52.840
But as I said earlier also, I also got to see after I finished writing the books that they're all about initiations

00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.380
How do we make our journey home?

00:56:55.380 --> 00:57:01.860
In the second book unveiling the secrets of the feminine principle. I talk about this german lad

00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:04.920
There is this treatise that was written back in 1610

00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:08.120
in europe called the farm of fraternitis

00:57:08.120 --> 00:57:15.560
artist. And it's another story of the prodigal son. In the Palm of Pratanasda, this work that

00:57:15.560 --> 00:57:22.640
was written back then, there was this German lad of high nobility, like the prodigal son,

00:57:22.640 --> 00:57:28.640
you know, had access, money, and all of that. And then one day he said to himself, "I now

00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:34.840
recognize how poor I am, that in spite of all this physical wealth, I am spiritually

00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:42.200
poor and that's what initiated his journey to Jerusalem. Now the term Jerusalem is symbolic,

00:57:42.200 --> 00:57:50.600
it's not the Jerusalem that is a symbolic place called the abode of peace and that all of us

00:57:50.600 --> 00:57:59.480
are on our way to Jerusalem and on that journey by the German lad on his way to Jerusalem he had

00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:07.080
to pass through all of these cities in the desert. Saudi Arabia, Damascus, Syria and all of these

00:58:07.080 --> 00:58:12.760
places are symbolic because at each one of these places something happens within the individual.

00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:22.200
He learned something, he tarried in Egypt. Egypt symbolically is known as the place of bondage and

00:58:22.200 --> 00:58:29.960
illusion. But all of these experiences is what each one of us need on our journey to Jerusalem,

00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:36.760
because we're all going there. So I'm hoping that people will take the time to really understand

00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:43.240
symbolisms, because again, Age of Aquarius is the age of symbolism, and why also you need to be

00:58:43.240 --> 00:58:51.960
emotionally and mentally mature enough, and why our educational system was designed to help us

00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:56.360
Developed the ability to reason logically rationally and objectively

00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:04.760
So that you can read this information now and said now I can see myself in that of the German lad or the prodigal son

00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:10.840
and in the third book the role of consciousness and governance I go into

00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:17.280
Masonry quite a bit to talk about this thing that many people have termed

00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.880
evil

00:59:20.080 --> 00:59:26.240
Repulsive and those people are doing horrible things and in that context

00:59:26.240 --> 00:59:32.080
I also want you to realize that when we chose to come here we chose to come to

00:59:32.080 --> 00:59:39.120
Grow within the context of the peers of opposites good and evil light and dark the above and the below

00:59:39.120 --> 00:59:41.160
the within and without

00:59:41.160 --> 00:59:47.560
That's what we chose to we needed to experience both for wisdom to be gained

00:59:47.560 --> 00:59:54.440
And I know people become very upset about the fact that they have to experience things that

00:59:54.440 --> 01:00:00.000
are unpleasant, but then I say, "Well, welcome to the experience that you chose to be a part

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.560
of," because that's what it is.

01:00:02.560 --> 01:00:08.560
And again, why I was given these books to write, to put context to people's experience, that

01:00:08.560 --> 01:00:13.440
what you're experiencing is you want to know, "How can I say I know all things?

01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.840
How can I say I'm God, but I only know the things over here that I like, and I don't

01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.060
want to experience those other things?

01:00:20.060 --> 01:00:22.800
So your soul knows that this is what you came here to do.

01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:28.720
So your soul creates these experiences of both light and dark, because they're two sides

01:00:28.720 --> 01:00:29.720
of the same coin.

01:00:29.720 --> 01:00:34.420
You know, in Solomon's temple, we have these two temples, one black and one white.

01:00:34.420 --> 01:00:40.680
And in the middle, we have the hermit wearing a cloak of gray, because he had reconciled

01:00:40.680 --> 01:00:48.680
pairs of opposites. Not white, not black, gray. Because gray is a symbol of wisdom. And so if

01:00:48.680 --> 01:00:53.400
you curse the darkness, because these in the Bible, it talks about do not curse the darkness,

01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:59.640
because all darkness is as veiled light. So when I have an experience, or when we have an experience

01:00:59.640 --> 01:01:04.840
that we don't like, instead of saying, "Why did this happen to me?" Ask your soul, "What do I need

01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:09.800
to understand from this experience?" That's a different question. And like the ancients say,

01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:15.000
if you ask the right questions, you'll get the right answer. So you have to even develop the ability

01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:22.360
to ask the right questions. Then you will get the answer that you need. Because we all here

01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.720
to grow it are here to grow in wisdom and understanding and knowledge. And you can't

01:01:27.720 --> 01:01:32.920
happen if we keep cursing one half of our experiences. Just like how we curse women,

01:01:33.560 --> 01:01:41.160
were a vital part, you know, we used to call them darkness. But again, all of my works are to help

01:01:41.160 --> 01:01:47.640
you understand the oneness of all things. You think that a wise person or an enlightened person,

01:01:47.640 --> 01:01:53.080
however you define that, such as Jesus or any of the great saints and seers,

01:01:53.080 --> 01:02:00.440
that they've reconciled light and darkness. They've managed to sort of encompass and engulf

01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:05.800
the pairs of opposites within their being, within their consciousness. But do you think that that

01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:14.040
is going to mean that they will be found behaving both in good and bad ways? Or do you associate

01:02:14.040 --> 01:02:18.840
saintliness or positive good behavior with the highest wisdom or enlightenment?

01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:26.840
Is it that alone in your question? Good behavior, bad behavior? You came here to have experiences

01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:31.180
And what you color it as bad experience or good experience

01:02:31.180 --> 01:02:34.280
Allows you to stay in that space

01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:39.100
If I have experiences, whatever they are all my experiences

01:02:39.100 --> 01:02:41.780
Have the same

01:02:41.780 --> 01:02:45.960
Outcome is to be that I know more I understand more

01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:51.800
Now because i've had this experience and i've had that experience. I now i'm able to

01:02:52.520 --> 01:02:59.080
make sense out of both experiences. What did the so-called dark experience teach me? That this

01:02:59.080 --> 01:03:04.440
wonderful experience over here never did teach me. But that's on the journey, but if there's an end

01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:11.000
to the journey or a higher state, let me be more explicit. There have been a number of spiritual

01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:17.160
teachers who come from the east who were supposedly enlightened, who it turned out were sexually

01:03:17.160 --> 01:03:22.920
abusing their young female students and things like that. And some people excuse that as

01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.320
some crazy wisdom or something. Others think it's well, it's reprehensible and they must

01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:28.920
not have been enlightened.

01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:35.600
Yeah, it's such an interesting dance. Right? Because at the same time, you're here to also

01:03:35.600 --> 01:03:41.960
develop the ability to discriminate, to be able to look at this person who is presenting

01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:48.560
this information to you and telling you who they are and I should have the ability to

01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:55.320
look at, listen to what you're saying and gathering my data. I work with geospatial

01:03:55.320 --> 01:04:01.640
information. I'm always gathering data. And then you analyze the data and make good decisions

01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:06.360
based on the data because we're always gathering data, whether we are conscious of it or not.

01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:11.280
And so part of it also is the development of our own ability to discriminate. And I mean

01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:18.280
discriminate being able to look at things and be able to weigh them based on data, facts,

01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:24.200
or my ability to look at something and say, "Is this something that I want for me or not?"

01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:31.960
So these situations are presented in our lives to give us the ability, to allow us the ability

01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:37.320
to discriminate, to develop our own ability to reason, to say, "No, this is not what I

01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:41.880
want and if this is what your soul needs for evolution and I know that is

01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:46.040
difficult for many people, how could your soul want this for you? But you see

01:04:46.040 --> 01:04:53.240
because we're thinking as humans and not as gods. In this space what you call this

01:04:53.240 --> 01:04:57.920
horrible thing, do I need to have a sexual experience that was communicate

01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:04.600
inform me of information that I need as a soul to develop? What do I need in my

01:05:04.600 --> 01:05:11.320
portfolio as a soul on this planet, coming in and wanting to experience what Earth is about.

01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:18.920
Maybe in the next incarnation, I said, "No, I recognize you for who you are, and I know that

01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:24.680
you are a sex addict and you're a whomever you are, and I don't want that in my experience.

01:05:24.680 --> 01:05:29.160
It doesn't serve me because I can recognize that this is not for me."

01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:34.920
So are you saying that a spiritual teacher who is behaving that way, there's some kind of cosmic

01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:39.560
justification for it because they're setting up a situation in which their students will learn

01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:44.840
discrimination? Or are you saying that this person is actually ethically compromised and has not

01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:50.360
reached the highest level of spiritual mastery? Yeah, and it's all of it together. Because when

01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:55.240
you enter into a relationship with anybody, as we are, there are so many things that are

01:05:55.240 --> 01:06:02.440
happening at so many levels simultaneously. And so whatever the soul knows that that individual

01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:08.840
needs in that experience, that is what is going to come out of it. We all have an over soul

01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:16.760
that guide our journey through this experience. And because the soul doesn't think in this way

01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:24.920
that humans think, then the interpretation of what you experience is different from the level

01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:27.960
of the consciousness that you're operating at.

01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:28.460
Yeah.

01:06:28.460 --> 01:06:32.760
And it's very intertwined. And I know that it might seem like a cop-out,

01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:39.000
but it's not. We want to believe that everything is linear, and that it's black and white,

01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:39.800
and it's not true.

01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.880
I'll just belabor this point a little bit more, and then we'll switch to some stuff,

01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:48.280
and some questions have come in. I grant you that everybody learns from everything.

01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:54.040
People in the Holocaust learned from that experience, but that doesn't mean Hitler is

01:06:54.040 --> 01:06:59.080
somebody that we should emulate or respect or anything. He played a role, not a role I would

01:06:59.080 --> 01:07:05.240
want to play. And many people become disillusioned with spirituality even these days because it's so

01:07:05.240 --> 01:07:12.680
common for spiritual teachers whom people had revered or respected to end up with feet of clay,

01:07:12.680 --> 01:07:19.320
so to speak, to end up being discovered to have been abusing their position as a spiritual leader.

01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.520
and it really freaks people out, confuses them.

01:07:22.520 --> 01:07:25.320
And in many cases, their supporters make excuses.

01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:29.220
"Oh, he was just conferring blessings upon you," or, you know, whatever.

01:07:29.220 --> 01:07:37.720
Yeah, and again, when you learn how to identify people for where they are in there,

01:07:37.720 --> 01:07:44.620
I talk about another thing that, and reason why the books needed to be held back,

01:07:44.620 --> 01:07:49.500
This notion that who we call God and who we call devil are two sides of the same coin.

01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:52.260
That is a difficult concept for people.

01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:53.820
But there's no separation.

01:07:53.820 --> 01:07:55.060
I get that, yeah.

01:07:55.060 --> 01:07:57.060
I mean, if it's all God, if God is omnipresent...

01:07:57.060 --> 01:07:58.060
It's all God.

01:07:58.060 --> 01:08:01.580
And if we're saying that then, logically, what are we saying?

01:08:01.580 --> 01:08:05.420
Yeah, if it's not all God, then God is not omnipresent by definition.

01:08:05.420 --> 01:08:06.220
Absolutely.

01:08:06.220 --> 01:08:08.460
And there's big holes in God here and there.

01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:10.220
That's a logical conclusion, right?

01:08:10.220 --> 01:08:11.220
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:11.220 --> 01:08:17.060
So we can't hold these two opposing ideas at the same time. It is or it isn't.

01:08:17.060 --> 01:08:21.860
This is also again that paradox that you just talked about, the gurus,

01:08:21.860 --> 01:08:26.340
and why we're also moving out of the age of mysticism into the age of aquautism,

01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:32.660
where instead of trusting and feeling, and this is my teacher, and I write in my book that we're

01:08:32.660 --> 01:08:40.020
moving from a horizontal relationship with who we call teachers to a vertical relationship. Your

01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:45.220
soul is your real teacher, not anybody, because they're going through their own transformation.

01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:52.180
They might be at a different place, but where this is now the relationship that needs to be

01:08:52.180 --> 01:08:58.980
established, where you allow your soul to reveal to you the knowledge that is in yourselves,

01:08:58.980 --> 01:09:03.940
actually, because all of it is in yours. You've had lifetimes and lifetimes of knowledge that

01:09:03.940 --> 01:09:09.780
you've taken from one incarnation to another. And then is there the other aspect, Rick, of when we

01:09:09.780 --> 01:09:13.460
look at, oh this, you know, look at what this one is doing and that one is doing,

01:09:13.460 --> 01:09:22.260
we're talking about disincarnation. We're not looking from the 3,000 feet perspective,

01:09:22.260 --> 01:09:28.100
where you see the bigger picture and all the lifetimes and what you did and what relationship

01:09:28.100 --> 01:09:35.460
that you had with all of these people and stuff. So when we begin to talk about this one is bad

01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:40.500
and this one is good. It's more nuanced than that. I mean, nobody's black and white.

01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:48.420
Everybody's a mixed bag. Yes. But I guess proportions vary. Yes. So it's all of those

01:09:48.420 --> 01:09:55.300
factors that have to be taken into account when we're talking about this. And why, again,

01:09:55.300 --> 01:09:59.940
I'm pushing my books, but yes I am. Because... That's okay, push them away.

01:10:00.900 --> 01:10:07.700
Yes, I want you to read them because I think that I have answered the remit that was given to me

01:10:07.700 --> 01:10:12.580
to take this body of knowledge. I remember after I got the information to write the books,

01:10:12.580 --> 01:10:16.580
I was walking down the street one day and the light said to me, "Remember when you used to teach

01:10:16.580 --> 01:10:22.260
math, how the kids used to say to you, 'Ms. Jackson, for the first time I understand this

01:10:22.260 --> 01:10:28.260
mathematical concept,' because you make them relatable." That I helped to show them that

01:10:28.260 --> 01:10:34.420
They use math in everything that they did. They wake up at a certain time. They walk so many feet or miles to school

01:10:34.420 --> 01:10:41.060
They eat so many ounces of food that math was a part of everything that they did, but they never saw it

01:10:41.060 --> 01:10:45.460
It was this abstract thing that only brilliant people could handle

01:10:45.460 --> 01:10:51.140
So what the light said to me I want you to take this body of knowledge and do to it

01:10:51.140 --> 01:10:54.260
What you did with math to those students

01:10:54.740 --> 01:11:01.700
break it down, and of course it can only break it down but so far, and why we need to be mentally

01:11:01.700 --> 01:11:09.140
and emotionally capable of reading the material and say, "Now this makes more sense to me."

01:11:09.140 --> 01:11:15.380
And this is my gift to humanity. This is part of what I came here to do, and I hope I did a good

01:11:15.380 --> 01:11:20.820
job. Yeah, your books are deep. You have to put on your thinking cap and really understand what

01:11:20.820 --> 01:11:25.860
what you're saying when you read them. Let me ask you a few questions that have come in.

01:11:25.860 --> 01:11:33.640
So this is from Gilberto Peninich from New York. Could you please explain how this is

01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:40.920
an experiment? How? I think he means that this, being here in this life. I'll explain it this

01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:47.260
way. For one, just like I talked about, you know, the prodigal son leaving home and going

01:11:47.260 --> 01:11:54.460
into a far country. We decided that we wanted to come to this planet because this is a unique

01:11:54.460 --> 01:12:01.420
experience that is taking place on planet Earth. And we also came just like the prodigal son that

01:12:01.420 --> 01:12:08.140
says, "I have to leave home in this pristine environment and go out to go meet my brothers

01:12:08.140 --> 01:12:15.580
and sisters from distant lands." Because they know that he knew that the experiences that he would

01:12:15.580 --> 01:12:21.180
have meeting all these different people from all these different places, different cultures,

01:12:21.180 --> 01:12:28.940
different languages, would expand his knowledge of who he is. And that's the reason planet Earth

01:12:28.940 --> 01:12:38.140
has beings, life forms from all these different star systems in the galaxy that chose to come to

01:12:38.140 --> 01:12:44.540
be a part of this experiment on planet Earth because it's unique. How can we, and I also use

01:12:44.540 --> 01:12:50.860
the analogy of New York. New York is a place where every kindred tongue a nation in the world is.

01:12:50.860 --> 01:12:55.980
I was saying to somebody one of one of those electronic boards in New York the other day I

01:12:55.980 --> 01:13:03.260
saw where 800 different languages are spoken in New York every day. That's an experiment in itself.

01:13:03.260 --> 01:13:09.340
How can all these different people from all these different places just like all these different

01:13:09.340 --> 01:13:16.540
Life forms from all these different star systems come and live in this place called earth

01:13:16.540 --> 01:13:18.120
and

01:13:18.120 --> 01:13:25.020
Remember that you and I are one after we have been immersed in matter and forgotten who we are

01:13:25.020 --> 01:13:28.540
How can we wake up out of that dream and say?

01:13:28.540 --> 01:13:34.220
You are my brother after all even though I look different from you

01:13:34.860 --> 01:13:38.700
But who you are not what I look like but who I am

01:13:38.700 --> 01:13:42.220
I and you are one we have the same mother

01:13:42.220 --> 01:13:45.660
And divine mother we have the same divine father

01:13:45.660 --> 01:13:52.000
Is that awakening that allows you to come into that knowledge consciously?

01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:58.140
That I and you are one and that's what will break down the wars and the famine and the poverty

01:13:58.620 --> 01:14:06.140
when we begin to move away like the ancients say from what things look like and instead be able to see into

01:14:06.140 --> 01:14:10.540
And recognize the oneness that connect all of us

01:14:10.540 --> 01:14:18.880
And so that's the big experiment that we're on here from people from different cultures different star system different experiences

01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:23.520
recognizing that in spite of all the external differences

01:14:23.980 --> 01:14:27.680
There is this core thing that connect all of us together

01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:32.860
And it's in that awakening that you realize that that is in fact what it is

01:14:32.860 --> 01:14:36.540
And that we are one and that when peace will reign

01:14:36.540 --> 01:14:41.420
And I don't think all these differences are an impediment to the realization of oneness

01:14:41.420 --> 01:14:48.380
And in fact, I think the realization of oneness on a more of a mass scale. It's not going to homogenize us

01:14:48.380 --> 01:14:53.420
all. I think it will actually perhaps enrich the diversity just the way, like you have the

01:14:53.420 --> 01:14:58.060
rainforest where it's so fertile and you have so much diversity of animals and plants and everything.

01:14:58.060 --> 01:15:05.020
- Exactly. That this is God and this is also God and that is God and that is God and everything,

01:15:05.020 --> 01:15:10.540
as different as it looks, it's all God. - Yeah. Okay, let me ask you another question

01:15:10.540 --> 01:15:17.980
here that came in. This is from Emile Picard in Santa Monica. "What would you say to someone

01:15:17.980 --> 01:15:23.900
who doesn't feel they belong on this earth, where they've ended up working in soul-crushing mundane

01:15:23.900 --> 01:15:29.340
jobs for which they're overqualified and overeducated. The struggle can seem so harrowing,

01:15:29.340 --> 01:15:34.620
although I do look at life as a spiritual journey where even mundane jobs can provide

01:15:34.620 --> 01:15:41.580
some material for my writing. I've also said many times, say to your soul, "I think I'm done with

01:15:41.580 --> 01:15:45.380
with this experience, this current experience.

01:15:45.380 --> 01:15:46.660
I think I'm ready.

01:15:46.660 --> 01:15:51.660
And I think also being able to formulate that question

01:15:51.660 --> 01:15:54.700
about instead, why am I here?

01:15:54.700 --> 01:15:56.140
I think I'm done.

01:15:56.140 --> 01:16:00.540
What else is there for me to learn from this experience?

01:16:00.540 --> 01:16:02.300
Why I'm still here?

01:16:02.300 --> 01:16:06.380
Because in my soul, I feel that I have completed it.

01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:08.740
If there's something else that's keeping me here,

01:16:08.740 --> 01:16:12.260
why I'm still here, please make it known to me

01:16:12.260 --> 01:16:15.260
so that I can move on to an experience

01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:18.140
that is more in alignment with what I wanna do,

01:16:18.140 --> 01:16:21.700
what I feel I need to be doing, and it will happen.

01:16:21.700 --> 01:16:23.140
I think that sometimes people feel

01:16:23.140 --> 01:16:26.900
that they speak to their soul, that they're not heard,

01:16:26.900 --> 01:16:29.900
but trust me, just speak it.

01:16:29.900 --> 01:16:34.080
Be clear and firm about what it is that you want,

01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:36.300
And the answer of your state,

01:16:36.300 --> 01:16:39.200
the desire of your soul will be answered.

01:16:39.200 --> 01:16:41.440
I know that from my experience.

01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:42.280
Yeah.

01:16:42.280 --> 01:16:44.200
- Also, as George Harrison sang,

01:16:44.200 --> 01:16:45.640
"All things must pass."

01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.200
And I know in my own life,

01:16:47.200 --> 01:16:51.200
I've gone from doing really interesting, inspiring things,

01:16:51.200 --> 01:16:53.520
teaching and all, lecturing to large groups,

01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.960
to literally shoveling common ore for a summer.

01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.160
Or, you know, when I first started Batgap,

01:16:59.160 --> 01:17:01.200
I was doing a search engine optimization,

01:17:01.200 --> 01:17:02.880
which involves sitting at the computer all day

01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:06.860
doing really picky, nitty gritty kinds of stuff.

01:17:06.860 --> 01:17:09.220
And then that just gradually faded away

01:17:09.220 --> 01:17:11.220
and shifted into this.

01:17:11.220 --> 01:17:14.960
So we're never gonna be stuck in anything perpetually.

01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:15.800
- Yeah.

01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:16.760
- Hang on, Irene is saying,

01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:18.960
"If you work in a button factory,

01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:20.960
you can listen to spiritual stuff."

01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:22.760
Yeah, well, it's funny she should say that

01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:26.840
because our video editor, who is a wonderful person,

01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:29.520
brilliant person, when she first got in touch with us,

01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:30.640
she was working at a place

01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:32.800
called the Busy Beaver Button Factory,

01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:36.880
together those little political buttons that people pin on their shirts, stuff like that,

01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:41.920
making $11 an hour or something, but listening to spiritual stuff like Batgap while she was doing

01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:46.800
that. And now one thing has led to the next and her life has completely changed. She has a nice

01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:51.920
house that's no longer in a dangerous part of Chicago. So things change. So people shouldn't

01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:57.760
be too discouraged if they see that. Yeah, and give intent to what you want to do. Yes, yes.

01:17:59.280 --> 01:18:01.600
Clear, intentful, imperfect.

01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:04.960
Yeah, and like you were saying with the light telling you things, I mean, most people don't

01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:10.640
have that kind of an explicit message coming from light, but I do believe that the universe

01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:18.800
is intelligent and that it hears us. It knows our innermost heart and our intentions, and life can

01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:22.720
rearrange itself in surprising ways if we really desire it.

01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:29.120
Absolutely. The desire has to be, the intent has to be there, and the desire has to be strong

01:18:29.120 --> 01:18:35.440
enough. And it's also for the development of the individual to help you understand how you make

01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:40.640
things happen because you're creating your life all the time. Yeah, there's a phrase that some

01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:46.080
people say which is "deserve then desire". Yeah, I think you can increase your deserving ability by

01:18:46.080 --> 01:18:51.760
working on your spiritual development. Things come more readily to you as you evolve. Yeah,

01:18:52.320 --> 01:18:57.620
But again rick, I feel that when you contextualize your life within the context

01:18:57.620 --> 01:19:03.840
of having made a decision to come here even that place that seems so boring and

01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:09.200
Uneventful that this is part of the journey and life path that I chose

01:19:09.200 --> 01:19:15.200
It doesn't have to dictate how you feel about yourself and your life, right?

01:19:15.200 --> 01:19:19.680
Like you said my life is very different from how it was

01:19:20.320 --> 01:19:28.000
20, 30 years ago. I live in a studio apartment here in New York. And I remember when I came here,

01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.640
I said, "I'm not staying here more than a year."

01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:37.680
But I felt this ley line running through the apartment. And I realized that-

01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.360
A ley line, L-E-Y?

01:19:39.360 --> 01:19:40.880
L-E-Y.

01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:46.640
Yes. A line of energy running through this apartment. And it became clear to me,

01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:50.880
I needed to be here. I could be probably you know, I

01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:54.240
Have all the degrees and whatever

01:19:54.240 --> 01:20:00.240
And I could be making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and living in this fancy place

01:20:00.240 --> 01:20:03.940
But what I recognize is that living in this apartment?

01:20:03.940 --> 01:20:08.400
This is where the work that I need to do. I need to stay on this line

01:20:08.400 --> 01:20:11.200
And this line runs through this apartment

01:20:11.200 --> 01:20:13.840
this studio apartment

01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:18.480
So it's not about a fancy place. You see if you come here to serve

01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:24.720
Humanity and this is part of your work. This is where it is. So what I did I just

01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:30.160
Decorated it and make it really nice so that I can be and I used to travel a lot

01:20:30.160 --> 01:20:33.280
Through the un and I was saying this to my friends

01:20:33.280 --> 01:20:38.160
It says I think the reason I decorated my apartment because brit knew that I was gonna stay here

01:20:38.320 --> 01:20:44.560
I wasn't going to be traveling much. But you know, it's always again how you think about things that

01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:51.520
really determine, because our minds really create our reality, doesn't it? It's not always what it

01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:57.120
looks like. Yeah, good. Okay, this is a question that will bring us back to your books. This is

01:20:57.120 --> 01:21:01.680
from someone named Rita, who would like to know which of your books you would recommend starting

01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:02.680
with?

01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:11.360
You know, people ask me that a lot and I said, "Allow whichever one pulls you in to be the

01:21:11.360 --> 01:21:12.360
first."

01:21:12.360 --> 01:21:17.000
Of course, Understanding Your Choice is my first book, but I don't think you have to

01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:18.960
read them in that order.

01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:24.720
I was told all my books were going to be made into movies and that the second one should

01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:26.040
go first.

01:21:26.040 --> 01:21:32.360
So because I was told the second one should go first, then I realized lately it's really

01:21:32.360 --> 01:21:34.840
in relationship to the movies.

01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:36.960
Was that the feminine principle or governance?

01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.800
Yeah, unveiling the secrets of the feminine principle.

01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:40.800
Okay.

01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:41.800
Yes.

01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:46.640
So I would say whichever one, you know, pulls you in.

01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:53.280
But I think understanding your choice really helps you to context, especially now, contextualize

01:21:53.280 --> 01:21:54.280
what is happening.

01:21:54.280 --> 01:21:59.800
It helps you make sense, especially because there's so much turmoil that is taking place.

01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:07.720
We're at the end of a 2160 year Piscean cycle. The age of Pisces has come to an end.

01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:17.240
And we're also simultaneously at the end of a cosmic year of Pisces, of 25,920, roughly 26,000

01:22:17.240 --> 01:22:25.480
years. So we're at the end of two huge cycles and so the upheaval that we are experiencing both

01:22:25.480 --> 01:22:32.200
physically the earth itself and our physical bodies and the emotional bodies of the planet

01:22:32.200 --> 01:22:38.840
and our individual emotional and mental bodies is because of that. We're moving into a new energy,

01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:45.560
a new period, a new consciousness, a new understanding of who we are and so again

01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:52.200
when I was given the books to write, I was told that because of this upheaval, that understanding

01:22:52.200 --> 01:22:58.760
your choice will really help to contextualize the challenges that people are having. So in that

01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:05.080
regard, then I would say understanding your choice. Okay, good. That answers your question. In my case,

01:23:05.080 --> 01:23:09.560
I started with the role of consciousness in governance because I'm interested in world

01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:16.200
Affairs and things like that. I'm kind of a news junkie, but I try to fathom the deeper significance

01:23:16.200 --> 01:23:23.000
of it all. Because like you, I feel like there's this huge shift taking place and I'm wondering how

01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:29.720
more day-to-day events fit into that bigger picture. And I really do... Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:36.520
Sorry. In that regard, we all watch what's happening or watching what's happening in

01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:43.680
Washington DC, right? And the January 6th and Trump being president and stuff. And I know

01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:48.520
that when I talk about this, sometimes people, you know, get a little bit angry with me,

01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:55.320
but all of it is playing out exactly as it should. And again, because if you understand

01:23:55.320 --> 01:24:03.480
the context, first of all, it's about light and dark. It's about the evolution of consciousness,

01:24:03.480 --> 01:24:09.480
understanding the United States and why I also wanted that book on the idea that

01:24:09.480 --> 01:24:14.280
is the United States of America to be more available because if you understood

01:24:14.280 --> 01:24:20.240
the foundation on which the United States was established and you are able

01:24:20.240 --> 01:24:26.080
to see not just look at but look into what is happening you'll see all of it

01:24:26.080 --> 01:24:31.440
being played out. The United States was founded on Masonic principles. That's a

01:24:31.440 --> 01:24:32.440
a fact.

01:24:32.440 --> 01:24:36.240
Explain that a bit. I mean, I'd heard of heard of Masons, but I just thought of it as a bunch

01:24:36.240 --> 01:24:40.400
of guys wearing funny hats and meeting in a lodge.

01:24:40.400 --> 01:24:47.000
Which is not, yeah. And a lot of people associate Masonry with that. These men who run around.

01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:54.200
So there is outer Masonry and inner Masonry. There's an inner lodge that many of the members

01:24:54.200 --> 01:24:59.000
are almost all of them who are members of the outer lodge, which is really more a social

01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:07.320
organization with spiritual symbolisms, but there's an inner lodge and the inner lodge is the real

01:25:07.320 --> 01:25:16.040
lodge. These are real conscious evolved human beings that are not members of the outer organization

01:25:16.040 --> 01:25:23.960
and there is the inner lodge that really actually orchestrate the events that take place on the

01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:28.680
planet. When did this start? Is this some eternal thing or did it start a thousand years ago?

01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:34.040
From the very beginning. There's always been the inner lodge and the inner lodge is made up of

01:25:34.040 --> 01:25:38.280
initiates. You know, you've heard of Saint Germain. Right, so you're talking about like

01:25:38.280 --> 01:25:43.320
ascended masters and that kind of thing. Yes, that's the real lodge. That's the inner lodge

01:25:43.320 --> 01:25:48.600
that people are not aware of. And so in my book, The Role of Consciousness in Governance, I go

01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:56.280
into detail about what the lodge, the inner lodge really is, how it's constituted, how it works,

01:25:56.280 --> 01:26:05.320
and how it's playing out in the affairs of every country. And America is especially established

01:26:05.320 --> 01:26:12.920
to really externalize what the inner lodge. But just like the prodigal son who went into a far

01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.000
country. America went into the

01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:16.960
far country also, we all went

01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:19.000
into the far country. But we

01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:20.640
must learn all on the path of

01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:22.640
return. And America must come

01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:26.080
back to what it was seeded to do.

01:26:26.080 --> 01:26:28.040
You think it will? Or is it like

01:26:28.040 --> 01:26:31.520
either way? It must. I say to

01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.160
people all the time I came here

01:26:33.160 --> 01:26:34.440
to help with this and I didn't

01:26:34.440 --> 01:26:35.920
come here on a failed mission.

01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:41.040
Confident. Sometimes the way

01:26:41.040 --> 01:26:42.120
things are going, you think, are

01:26:42.120 --> 01:26:44.520
we going to even have a country anymore after a while?

01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:49.320
But again, again, if you understand the steps like I was saying to you about a mother giving

01:26:49.320 --> 01:26:54.800
birth to the mother going through the process for the first time is like, oh my God, this

01:26:54.800 --> 01:27:00.480
is death. Everything is chaos. The water is breaking. I'm having pain and all of that.

01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:06.320
But to the trained midwife, what she sees is something completely different. She sees

01:27:06.320 --> 01:27:12.120
a process and there's order to it. And that's why, again, the information in the book will

01:27:12.120 --> 01:27:17.040
help you to understand that what you're seeing, like the ancients always said, "Nothing is

01:27:17.040 --> 01:27:20.640
ever what it appears to be." And that's a fact.

01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:24.980
The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.

01:27:24.980 --> 01:27:31.400
Always does. Always does. And when you're able to see with your inner eye, you'll see it.

01:27:31.400 --> 01:27:36.500
what I'm hoping that by reading these books you'll get to see what this

01:27:36.500 --> 01:27:43.240
construct of this planet is and what the plan is and you'll see that it's moving

01:27:43.240 --> 01:27:51.480
very systematically and orderly toward this evolution of consciousness and the

01:27:51.480 --> 01:27:55.760
enlightenment of humanity. I share your optimism in my heart of hearts. I'm

01:27:55.760 --> 01:28:00.440
concerned about how chaotic the transition may be and all but I do

01:28:00.440 --> 01:28:07.640
feel that all is well and wisely put and is being divinely orchestrated. It is, it is,

01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:13.960
contrary to appearances. Right. Maybe it's a belief for people, maybe it's a knowledge, but

01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:19.480
even as a belief it's a good thing to have because it can lighten your load a bit. I mean, if you just

01:28:19.480 --> 01:28:24.360
feel like everything is just chaos and doesn't make any sense and we're going to hell in a hand

01:28:24.360 --> 01:28:30.920
basket, it can be very depressing. Yes, it can be. And again, why I was told, not yet but now.

01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:38.200
And I think that's why I'm talking to you, Rick. Yeah, it'll help. We have maybe 25 minutes.

01:28:38.200 --> 01:28:41.800
What important things have you not had a chance to say? I want you to come away from this feeling

01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:46.920
like, okay, I really got out the main points. What can I say? Let's go back to the Mason thing.

01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:51.640
You mentioned that the US was founded on the principle of masonry and that many of the

01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:59.400
founding fathers were Masons, so if that is the case, and Masonry being as high a thing as you

01:28:59.400 --> 01:29:05.640
have indicated, you know, with some sort of divine representation, then these guys were

01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:10.520
divinely inspired. Just as you had a light telling you, "Right, you gotta write this book," one would

01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:15.320
like to think that many of them were guided from, even though many of them were slaveholders and

01:29:15.320 --> 01:29:20.440
not such nice guys by our current standards, they did come out with some brilliant things.

01:29:20.440 --> 01:29:27.920
Yes, and so understanding, thanks for that, this body of knowledge called Masonry was

01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:32.000
given to humanity. You know like when you're going on a journey, your mother says, "Here

01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:37.720
is a guide for how to make your way back. This is what this experience is going to be,

01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:43.920
and this is what Masonry really is." Also, I told you originally, it took 25 years for

01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:52.800
me to write the book. I joined an esoteric order in 1986. Masonry or something else?

01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:58.800
Was a masonry. It's called the Builders of the Adytum. It's a fantastic order. Saint Germain

01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:06.400
actually appeared to the founder of the order and transcribed the information. There are lessons

01:30:06.400 --> 01:30:15.440
that are given and people contact me I can give them the it's really bota.org that's the website

01:30:15.440 --> 01:30:22.080
but it's a fantastic order and I also think that the reason why it took 25 years is because the

01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:28.080
information for me it was not like I the first time I knew about this because like I said from

01:30:28.080 --> 01:30:33.520
a child intuitively even when I was going to church I used to tell my mother there's much

01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:39.600
more to the story than these books and I just gradually walked out of church.

01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:43.440
Church has its place, but I knew that there was a higher order of things,

01:30:43.440 --> 01:30:51.200
and when I joined the order it was almost like I was brought back into a physical school to kind of

01:30:51.200 --> 01:30:58.640
refresh my memory on what I knew a long time ago that I came in with. And the builders of the

01:30:58.640 --> 01:31:05.440
Additum, that's the name of the esoteric order, really takes you through step by step and I

01:31:05.440 --> 01:31:12.400
really would recommend that to anybody who really want to get deeply into the ancient mysteries in a

01:31:12.400 --> 01:31:21.040
very finite way to understand. I'll put a link to it on your back up page. Okay, it's a Masonic

01:31:21.040 --> 01:31:27.840
kind of order but you will get to understand you're not separated by gender that you know

01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:34.080
only men. Again, the age of Aquarius is the age of the brotherhood of man. Brotherhood,

01:31:34.080 --> 01:31:43.200
brotherhood of mankind, not of men. And so here we are moving into this age where we get to

01:31:43.200 --> 01:31:49.120
understand what masonry really is. It's about brotherhood. But it also, what masonry does,

01:31:49.120 --> 01:31:55.680
is help you to move through the planet in an orderly way. The profession of masonry,

01:31:56.640 --> 01:32:03.840
Very precise you have a rule you have a shovel you're actually building your personality the temple

01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:09.620
This is what you're constructing and what made that's what masonry true masonry not the social organization

01:32:09.620 --> 01:32:12.720
True masonry helps you to build

01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:15.440
this personality vehicle

01:32:15.440 --> 01:32:18.160
So that you can

01:32:18.160 --> 01:32:20.080
Have a house

01:32:20.080 --> 01:32:26.800
That your spirit can dwell in that's what masonry really is and if you really understand true masonry

01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:28.640
Not the social one

01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:34.560
This is what it will help you to do and in a very precise way as masonry is

01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:40.480
You can't just put two feet there three feet there and kind of hope that everything will fit together

01:32:40.480 --> 01:32:45.120
It's a very precise and this is what spiritist says. It's not just what I feel

01:32:45.120 --> 01:32:48.560
You know, I feel good. So i'm enlightened. No, you're not

01:32:49.040 --> 01:32:56.400
There is precision to the process of your enlightenment and masonry true masonry takes you through that

01:32:56.400 --> 01:33:01.840
And like I said, bota is a fantastic order that will help you through that process

01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:04.700
bota.org. Yeah

01:33:04.700 --> 01:33:07.840
Www.bota.org. Yeah. Okay. Great. Yes

01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:13.280
So if you're involved in that or in your own case, do you have like a regular?

01:33:13.280 --> 01:33:18.880
Spiritual practice, you know you do for I don't know half an hour twice a day or some such thing

01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:25.760
Yes, yeah, well they're lessons, right? And you get the lessons and their instructions.

01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:31.680
Nobody's telling you what to do and why also these books are meant for you to develop your

01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:38.480
own relationship with yourself. So the lessons, they're guides to contact your inner teacher

01:33:38.480 --> 01:33:44.640
because this is now the time when I don't need a guru anymore because Pisces has made

01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:52.480
sure that I have developed my mental and emotional capacities so that I can think for myself,

01:33:52.480 --> 01:33:58.480
I can look at information and I don't need the guru and the teacher to interpret this information

01:33:58.480 --> 01:34:05.040
for me anymore. I am now capable, thank you very much, for being able to do that for myself. And

01:34:05.040 --> 01:34:12.640
this is what the age of Aquarius offers and that's why it's the age of Aquatism. This is where you

01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:19.360
know, you come to know, because all of your cells in your body, the memory of who you are is awakened.

01:34:19.360 --> 01:34:25.680
And the lessons are meant to just trigger, trigger that memory in yourselves into conscious

01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:31.680
remembering of who you are as both God and man. I recommend it highly.

01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:35.680
That's good. I would suggest, and would have been interesting in your comments,

01:34:36.240 --> 01:34:42.480
that thinking for oneself does not necessarily mean just rejecting all mainstream knowledge

01:34:42.480 --> 01:34:46.480
and information, scientific knowledge and stuff like that. Because a lot of times you hear people

01:34:46.480 --> 01:34:50.880
saying that these days, they say, "Well, I'm thinking for myself now, so I think the earth

01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.720
is flat. I don't care what NASA says, they're lying to us." Or that kind of thing.

01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:59.360
But that is supposing that this is God and this is not God, and that's not true. Everything is,

01:34:59.360 --> 01:35:07.280
right? Science, sociology is part of the one life. And I think that also the big thing that will come

01:35:07.280 --> 01:35:14.640
out of this is removing the separation in our mind of this is God, this is not God, whatever.

01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:22.240
It's all God. And this is what the masons talk about, that God is defined in masonry as height

01:35:22.240 --> 01:35:26.160
and depth and breadth and length. Everything is contained.

01:35:26.160 --> 01:35:27.520
Totality, right?

01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:34.240
Yes. And so it's the separation in our minds that allow us to decide that,

01:35:34.240 --> 01:35:39.840
okay, they're saying this, or this couldn't be, and this is, again, your ability to look at

01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:47.280
information, the data, and make sense and meaning out of it. This is your job. Make sense out of it,

01:35:47.280 --> 01:35:50.420
Because it does make sense even though it might look disconnected

01:35:50.420 --> 01:35:53.280
disjointed and

01:35:53.280 --> 01:35:55.280
Not connected they are

01:35:55.280 --> 01:36:02.480
And if you look deeply enough, you'll see the connection because it's there because god is one there is no such thing

01:36:02.480 --> 01:36:06.640
As them and us and that and that it's and

01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:08.640
Not or

01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:12.640
And that is the challenge and this is the growth of this aquarium age

01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:17.920
This is a promise of the Aquarian Age that you'll come to see that and know that to be a fact.

01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:20.240
Rick Yeah, so I guess one way of putting it is if

01:36:20.240 --> 01:36:25.840
you look deeply enough, as you just said, you get down to a level at which everything is unified.

01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:27.760
Dr. Anneke Yes, you'll see the connection.

01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:30.800
Rick Here's an analogy, let's say a bicycle wheel

01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:35.600
with spokes coming out. If you're out on one of the spokes, then all the other spokes seem

01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:40.480
disconnected. Everything's disconnected. But if you're at the hub, then yeah, you connect

01:36:40.480 --> 01:36:43.840
everything, everything radiates from your essential nature.

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Yes, yes, and this is what we are being challenged to be able to see.

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And it takes discipline, it takes mental and emotional discipline to be able to

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see that. To see is to understand and to be unveiled.

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And would you also say as part of that discipline

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the habit of not jumping to the assumption that,

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just taking things lightly, not being cocksure of yourself and not being riddled with doubts,

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but at the same time being willing to continue to re-examine and question and the way a scientist

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would. Absolutely, inquiry, inquiry into everything. I remember years ago, I used to live in Milwaukee

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and I used to go down by the lake a lot, being a water sign myself, I just love the water anyway,

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And just sit by the water and just look into the water and say open me up and let me know

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Open me up and let me know and it's amazing rick how much information can come to you when you're willing to empty yourself

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There is a key in the tarot key five

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called the hierophant and the hierophant is

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Symbolically the soul and in kneeling at the feet of the hierophant are these two acolytes

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One represents the mind and the other represents the heart, emotions and the mind.

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And they're kneeling at the feet of the Hierophant in humility.

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Because conversely, you can stand with your knee straight and on bending and on yielding.

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This is what I know, this is it, and nobody can tell me differently.

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Or you can take the posture of the Acolytes kneeling at the feet of the Acolyte and said,

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"I am now ready." Just like the prodigal son, until you have come to a place where you are broken

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of your egotism or of your know-it-all or whatever, and you're ready because the

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Hierophant, as I said, represents your soul. I'm ready to learn from you. But you have to

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come to that place. You have to bring yourself to that place where you can kneel in humility

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at the feet of your soul and say, "I am now ready to learn from you." Then amazing things happen,

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but it's a journey again and you have to make a decision within yourself. There's so much of a

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play on that title, "Understanding Your Choice." Over the years I have seen, I've thought about it

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in so many ways, always understanding your choice.

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It's a choice that you make.

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You can kneel in humility at the feet of your soul

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and ask for information, ask for your soul to reveal to you

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the mystery of your own life,

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or you can stand resolute and obstinate

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and determine that I know it all

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and I don't need to hear anything more

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and you will stay in ignorance.

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So it's a choice, always a choice.

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Yeah. Obviously, we've just scratched the surface. There's so much in your books and we couldn't

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possibly get into all the details, but if people's curiosity has been piqued by what

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we've been saying today, then they can start delving into them. Do you have any kind of

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other way of interacting with people besides your books? Do you do Zoom meetings or anything

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like that?

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- No, you know, interestingly,

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I was laying in bed three months ago

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and Spirit said to me, "You need to do a podcast."

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- Oh, there you go.

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- So I went online and I saw this guy

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and I reached out to him and said,

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"Can I appear on your podcast?"

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And he said, "Yes."

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And I was really so pleasantly surprised

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to see the responses that came back from that interview.

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And out of that, some other people have reached out to me.

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So I asked myself should I appear on podcasts or should I do my own podcast?

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And I think it could be a mix of both

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That initially appearing on your show, for example

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Is a good way for people to hear about my books and hear me talk about them

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But I could also see myself eventually doing a podcast of my own

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So that is something that I have been thinking about

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Right now I'm in the middle of a lot of UN work.

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So I have been going back and forth in my mind.

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Oh my god, am I going to be able to do a podcast and with all of what's developing the UN and stuff.

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But I know it will work itself out.

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But initially at this point, I think it's nice to be invited to talk about this information

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and I welcome that and thank you again for inviting me to share.

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Sure.

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And if you do decide to start one get in touch with me because I could give you some tips

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Oh my gosh, thank you very much. I definitely will be reaching out

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Yeah, because i've seen people start them and and I think no you could be having much more impact by doing such and such

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So get in touch. Awesome. Thank you so much for that offer

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I will be contacting you

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All right. Thanks ed. So it's great spending time with you and having listened to your books

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I mostly listening or I was riding my bike or walking in the woods and stuff

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That's what I do, but it was a nice way to do that. I go walking when I need to

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Yeah, so much information comes for those who've been listening or watching. This is an ongoing series as you probably know and

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There's an upcoming interviews page on backup where we announce the ones that are scheduled

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I'll put a page for edits interview as I do for each one and

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There I'll have links to her books and links to her website and to that organization that you mentioned

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And feel free in the in the future if you write a new book or you want to change what I have written on that page

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Just let me know and I'll change it or add a book. Okay. Thank you. Oh my gosh. This was wonderful

01:42:44.080 --> 01:42:46.640
Good. Well, I really enjoyed it, too

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Thanks so much for spending this time with me and thanks to those who've been listening or watching

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Yeah, and you'll be hearing from me

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Keep up the good work. Thank you very much. Thank you. Alrighty. Bye. Bye. Bye

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