105. Matt Kahn

Matt KahnMatt Kahn is a spiritual teacher and mystic who travels the world, offering sacred heart wisdom that invites all seekers into the joy of liberated existence. Matt’s spontaneous awakening arose out of an out-of-body experience at the age of 8, and numerous direct experiences throughout his life.

Many spiritual seekers have experienced amazing, unexplainable healings, and have awakened to their true nature through his offerings of profound and loving teachings, and direct transmission of presence. He is the author of the book, “Effortless Freedom – A Timeless Dialogue of Life’s Deepest Teachings”.

Matt’s website.

Interview recorded 1/14/2012

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

120 thoughts on “105. Matt Kahn

  1. Well said Joseph … I will take it to heart. It is all too true that we so often limit ourselves to what we expect to see, rather than the possibility of what could be seen, from a broader perspective. Perhaps sometimes in one’s haste to get an ‘edge in word-wise’ this is overlooked. After all, even Christ apparently chewed out the money changers in the temple, when it was deemed appropriate. :]]

  2. Thanks snowleopard.

    I struggled with the notion of compassion for a very long time, thinking it was to be found in the outward manifestation of forms, when actually it is a direct realisation that perfectly balances and attunes the prajnic realisation more commonly spoken about, which is nothing without it.

  3. Ultimately, compassion is genuinely for oneself, because there is no other. But it is this compassion that moves one to appreciate the apparent other as oneself (karuna), as opposed to being an apparition (prajna).

  4. From what you say Joseph, it is like using both pedals when riding a bike. The prajana and karuna pedals in tandem. One could argue the case that turning one pedal automatically turns the other, but riding a bike like that is very cumbersome.

  5. Nice analogy Suki …

    Joseph, perhaps you can sympathize, but one of the challenges I found in social work was that there was a tendency to become almost immune to suffering, as it became a regular first-hand experience, because one had to maintain a certain professional detachment, in order to do an effective job, and not get caught up in the drama. It was also difficult for me to learn the concept of ‘tough love’ as it wasn’t innately part of my persona. And yet, now that I can look back in retrospect, it is seen how it it was nonetheless the compassionate thing to do. Otherwise, one is just enabling the suffering — not that there was really much else that could have been done, in any case, except to offer practical care and support whenever feasible, while life performed its dharma.

  6. That’s an interesting analogy Suki, but I’m not sure whether it’s like that. It’s hard to articulate the fundamental mystery of the upwelling of compassion, one can only be swept away by it. It is not as if it is ancillary to prajna or equivalent, rather it ensures that prajna is properly understood and does not become the illusion of enlightenment (such as the so-called nondual understanding when it takes the form of the ludicrous idea that there are no people, leading to a dismissing of suffering as illusion, instead of realising that other people are you and that their suffering really is your suffering and cannot be ignored).

  7. In the previous thread Joseph, you mentioned having the same thoughts as the callers, but not having the same reactions ie; depressed and suicidal type reactions. Those who identify strongly or when identification is strong, then mental suffering ensues. Physical suffering is unavoidable, but mental suffering is optional as far as I can see(but that wasn’t always the case here). ‘Awareness teachings’ have been of tremendous help here. I toiled for many years with the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and Osho. Relief came from exploring Sri Nisargadatta, through further clarifications of reading material from Sailor Bob Adamson, Gilbert Schultz and John Wheeler. These have been my primary sources and for that I’m grateful. I am no longer seeking but interest in related subject matter continues.

  8. “If you want to awaken all of humaity, then awaken all of yourself, if you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation” – Lao Tzu
    Came across this quote on FB, but I haven’t seen this quote attributed to Lao Tzu before!

  9. @ Suki … yes this quote, often attributed to Lao Tzu, is all over the internet. Its source is apparently from the Huahujing, however its authorship is the subject of debate amongst Taoist scholars, as there is no evidence that this text existed prior to circa 300 CE, several hundred years after Lao’s time.

    Here is some wikipedia info, if you’re interested.

  10. While mental suffering may be optional if you don’t identify with it, the question is really whether identification itself is optional. This also goes back to my original question about someone who is freezing. While the focus of attention may be shifted from illusory entity experiencing the cold onto coldness arising in awareness, does it really help? Still cold. One either has to accept that the awareness teaching in this instance would mean freezing with a dim candle of knowledge, or that it simply isn’t all that it is cracked up to be. Or both. Even coldness passes of course, and from this perspective the awareness teaching is alright, since a Stoical approach doesn’t really have much more to offer. The question is actually more to do with what one thinks of a teaching. To those who think it is a be-all and end all, I say think again. But if they don’t think that, then it is true enough that the question doesn’t arise.


    That quote isn’t Laozi, it comes from Brian Browne Walker’s ‘translation’ of the Huahujing, which is regarded as a forged text much later than Laozi. This ‘translation’ doesn’t in any case bear much resemblance to the original Chinese.

  11. Yes, even coldness is relative. In Florida, if the temp drops to 15 C they start wearing toques and mittens. Here, it’s shorts and T-shirt weather. In the Yukon they would be going swimming … talk about stoicism ;-)

    Not that it’s necessarily related to the point about awareness teachings, but it’s interesting too how one’s state of mind impacts on physical sensations, such as temperature and pain, insofar as expectations and beliefs can mean the difference between suffering and and acceptance. Indeed, sometimes the boundary between pain and pleasure can be very nebulous.

  12. Acceptance is key. In the commentaries to the Yijing there is the idea that the only way to be superior to fate is to accept it completely.

  13. Of course, the real art is knowing what is fate. Passivity to circumstance or quietism is just as much a mistake as trying to push the river. The essential thing is to know the character of one’s current circumstance without error. But not worrying if there is error, since one can always learn from it.

  14. “If you want to awaken all of humaity, then awaken all of yourself, if you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation”

    Actually, the words above were spoken by Wun Hung Lo – the night before a surgical operation to correct a testicular deformity.

  15. Thank you Joseph, interesting points you raise. Is identification optional? It appears it is. Whether one identifies with sensation or not, the sensation is not negated! I speak from experience, having several chronic health issues and one of them being chronic neuropathy. My sleep patterns are erratic, unless I medicate. Acceptance is very powerful as an aid physically and mentally. Your points are well taken – much thanks!

  16. I really enjoy Matt’s  ‘take on it’.  Heartical, down to earth, sincere and comprehensive. He has a very thorough understanding of all sides of awakening. I can relate to the ‘poping in the head thing’ (i call it ‘snaping’ since here it sounded like a bone that snaped) and partial amnesia. It was very hard for some time to put faces on names. Memory of people came as a heart feeling but not as a faces. For some days, I had no idea what day it was etc (not always easy at work hehe). It felt like my face had been ripped off and my guts removed, leaving an ‘empty shell’. Things have settle a bit since then and most of my memory is back, which makes it a bit easier to ‘function’ in society hehe. I also can relate with ‘seeing objects as vibrant pixels’ when focused upon. Thanks for sharing. 

    Oh and Rick, you do not talk too much (i read some comments on youtube saying that). You are perfectly in the flow. 

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