126. Igor Kufayev, 2nd Interview

Igor KufayevThis is my second interview with Igor. The first one is here. The first interview covers Igor’s personal spiritual journey in detail. In this second interview, we discuss questions inspired by the first interview.

An artist and healer by nature, Igor has been sharing his revelations into the essence of Being since 2002. His approach, in the form of intimate gatherings, silent transmissions and private correspondence, is based on spontaneous and intuitive insight which allows him to empathize with uniqueness of each individual conditioning.

Igor Kufayev was born in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. In his childhood he had many episodes associated with awakening. At the age of thirty six Igor underwent a radical transformation of consciousness which subsequently blossomed into spontaneous unfoldment of Grace.

Since April 2011, Igor and his family have been based in Costa Rica. He continues working with those who require guidance using various forms of communication.

Website: Igor Kufayev ~ Vamadeva

YouTube Channel: Flowing Wakefulness

Interview recorded 6/9/2012

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

144 thoughts on “126. Igor Kufayev, 2nd Interview

  1. Erick –
    The check is in the mail… :D
    Seriously, thank you for your more than kind words I always feel your genuine and grateful heart — no need to even say it –

    It’s been wonderful to observe your inner transformation these past months – I had little to do with it -The Silence was calling you..and you answered the call.. It was your willingness to open to your own Self and leave behind previous concepts..to trust that this was simpler than we all thought – and to rest in the unknown so Grace could find you….It was obviously your time…

    Speaking of time, yes – as your experience shows – with the falling away of ego we find ourselves outside of it..The link of the self that tied us to conditioned existence, and therefore linear time, is no more…

    This becomes more and more obvious as one deepens..and is not merely seen as an abstraction..but a fundamental reality..We see clearly that all is just lived moment to moment…no past or future in any real sense…

    I compare daily existence without the ego/self to our dream life because it’s a good parallel..When the veil is lifted- there is only the Eternal Now – all collapses into the infinite moment..that has no beginning and no end..

    Just like in our dreams..when the ‘I’ thought is resting – there’s no starting or end point..we enter and exit at any junction…and then the experience fades into the ether….no actual birth or death except the rising and falling of circumstance..It was only the illusion of self that gave rise to our concept of a timeline between living and dying….

    Please do keep in touch – you have my e-mail – and I hope you’ll continue to share your wisdom on batgap..THIS was meant to be shared…even though in the truest sense there’s only ONE of us here..

    Much love to you..

    and yes the Self is out of time

  2. Thank you Rick and Igor for such a honest interview. Doesn’t even felt like 2 hrs at all.

    The comments on this thread are interesting as hell : )

    Jill, from what I’ve read -you seems to be a wise person.
    A quick question from me (if you don’t mind me asking)
    – it sounds to me from the way you commented in the previous replies that Kundalini can be ignored and you had recommended a path for a safer awakening – ie via the heart.

    The reason why I asked that question is that I have an active Kundalini that has been going on for about a year. Was a spontaneous event – haven’t even heard of it before and was frighten initially. Experienced all classical symptoms that are typically associated with this phenomena.

    From what I’ve read and gathered – it is virtually impossible to stop or reverse the Kundalini process once it started. You seems to be suggesting otherwise.. Please let me know if that is the case.

    I am currently trying to be as mindful as possible in my daily life – and also sitting for about 1-2hrs per day. Throughout the past few weeks – I felt my awareness expanding – the witness consciousness is more obvious now – however I still get to experience the usual K symptoms

    In the country that I am from (Singapore) – I have no access to spiritual teachers outside organised religion. Even tried that mode and those teachers have no clue about K

  3. Criable
    I’m sorry if you are having any distress related to the Kundalini symptoms..Spontaneous ignitions do seem to catch us unaware…You must be a sensitive soul..

    It’s great that you are able to ‘witness’ the phenomena and are also reading up on it and watching interviews with knowledgeable ones like Igor who can bring some genuine understanding to the table..as to how this energy manifests in the body/mind..

    My K experience was a tumultuous one lasting over 20 years with the energy awakening and clearing every chakra and ultimately culminating in a rather harrowing shiva meeting shakti nightmare…It good 5 years of wandering around in outer space before I was able to finally find a teacher to bring me to peace…I have to say it wreaked havoc with every system of the body..Fortunately through Grace, I was able to come through it..

    Concerning your question of a gentler path, I was referring to what they call the ‘direct’ path, whereby sitting with an enlightened being, a transmission of Silence is given, and the heart knot, etherically speaking, is undone..From there, the Kundalini unfolds in a natural manner as it makes its way through the body/mind without resistance..leading to ultimate freedom…

    To be clear, Mother Shakti is involved in all paths to awakening – as this energy is inseparable from consciousness itself, so it’s not as if it can be avoided or bypassed – but the yogic path of clearing all chakras and proceeding step by step to the goal is a long and arduous one..and in light of the Grace that is available today, largely unnecessary..

    We are living in extraordinary times whereby Grace is available through an embodied teacher to help make the process more efficient and not as difficult or dangerous…Through the transmission of Silent Mind, consciousness can be brought to rest in the Self and unfold from there into deeper aspects of Being..without the climbing of the etheric ladder..

    So what I’m saying is, that through Divine Intervention – through an intermediary – much of the perils of the journey can be mitigated…When the peace that surpasseth all understanding is given FIRST, it makes the rest of the trip, much easier to manage…The energy still does its thing but being centered in the Self first, makes a huge difference…Traversing the path without that center being established first which is what happened here, was not the best way to go…

    Wisdom tells us that the heart is the balancing point which is why it is strategically centered in the middle of the chakra column..It is the connecting point for the ethereal energies above and the grounding energies below: It is the place where heaven and earth meet..the literal meaning of the cross..This vital nucleus is known universally as Love..

    Being that you are in Singapore without direct access to an enlightened teacher – I would suggest that you peruse this site as well as go to satsangteachers.com and see what teachers might appeal to you and contact them through skype if possible..

    In truth, there are no boundaries in consciousness so even being with someone that way or by phone can have a powerful effect…Dear ones like Mooji or Adyashanti or Gangaji or Neelam or Pamela Wilson are high on my list for divine support and intervention…

    You can also ask Rick for my e-mail if you want to further discuss your personal situation..I’ve spent the better part of 16 years counseling people privately regarding the K..

    There’s also a wonderful site called sharedtransformation.com. It is dedicated to providing information on the K. The woman, El Collie who ran it, now deceased, was a good friend who had been through the entire energy journey over 30 years and writes eloquently on the subject…

    One way that her newsletters, which are still posted on the site, were very helpful was in seeing that this energy phenomenon was global – not just reserved for a few yogis in the Himalayas, and reading others’ experiences, can give you comfort that you are not alone…The newsletters also helped to distinguish K symptoms from pathological ones..which is important.. and gave good suggestions for grounding oneself…I unfortunately continued to meditate and practice siddhis after the K was ignited which made all the symptoms more troublesome..

    I leave you with what Swami Muktananda wrote years ago which helped to soothe..He said – ‘Always remember that when this energy starts moving through you, never fear, as it is not the Universe attacking you, but God moving through you’…and that’s the truth..

    Sending love your way…

  4. Hi Jill, thank you so much for the very thoughtful reply. K is a relative rare phenomena – its hard to get help from people who understand what it is. In this part of the world (Singapore) – most people regard K as evil. In fact I was being forced to undergo an exorcism (taoist style) procedure when a close family member saw me having kriyas. Unfortunately it was an failed attempt to rid me of my K : )

    El Collie was the first few authors that I have read to decipher my situation back then. Think I have at least read her “on the path of the spirit” 3 times. Her book was such a saving grace then when I was on the verge of insanity. I have been reading on this subject and spirituality ever since.

    If you don’t mind- I’ll be contacting Rick for your email

    Thanks so much once again

  5. Yes of course Criable – write to me -I wouldn’t want you to be alone with this…Interesting that we both found our way to El Collie’s site from different parts of the world at different times…I was led to her in the mid 90’s..

    It seems that even in death, her words are a guiding light…she left an important legacy..El knew more about the Kundalini than anyone else, cause she lived it from start to finish..It wasn’t book knowledge with her..she spoke directly from experience, although she was very well read in the area as well..I think I read all 200 books on her list at one time..

    What’s true is, most spiritual seekers don’t experience the full blown ignition of the energy, which as you know from El’s writing is quite rare..Usually what is termed a Kundalini awakening, is actually when only a sliver of energy escapes and makes its way up the central channel..usually not even going all the way to the brain….
    .
    The slow ascent which awakens all the chakras over a long period of time, is fraught with many symptoms both emotional and physical and is not at all common..

    Some have said the K has an evolutionary purpose for the planet…I don’t know about that – all I know is when it happens in a particular body/mind, it needs understanding and nurturance..
    Hang in there..
    I Iook forward to hearing from you..

  6. Criable ~ I haven’t been taking part in this discussion (except for the video-responses to the questions Rick and I didn’t have the time to cover in the 2-nd interview) simply because I haven’t got much time due to my commitments in working with those who require (at times immediate) guidance and support especially when dealing with the symptoms associated with spiritual emergency.

    I know you’ve addressed Jill and am sure she will be very helpful in this regard, yet if you wish to contact myself you are most welcome (just follow the link to my website in the introduction text, and to the Contact page).

    As someone who is undergoing through the process, you need to know that awakened Prana Kundalini moves and behaves in the manner which is colored by the intentions present right on the eve of awakening. It is in the nature of Prana which is linked to the most subtle mental and emotional processes. That is often overlooked, yet that is where the subtle trajectory of awakening is most revealing. Including the ‘not knowing’ or ‘not intending’.

    The intensity and often safety of the process is paramount to the degree of our understanding, acceptance and inner intelligence which is often frail at the early stages of that process.

    It just happened that my ‘speciality’ is to work with people who have been affected to whatever degree with that blazing fire of Grace, regardless of how long they’ve been treading the path.

    In addition to that I emphasize the importance of diet during different phases of ascend as well as nutritional and herbal support to make sure there is enough elasticity in the nervous system and the brain. Plus the system is oiled enough to make sure the ceribro-spinal fluid has the fuel to run without burning the nerve endings.

    I agree with Jill said – do not fear. There are plenty of people being ‘unaware’ awakened and learning to live with that most powerful of all human experiences, literally as we speak.

  7. Hi Igor (Vamadeva),

    Thanks so much for reply in spite of your busy schedule. I’ve been following you on youtube and watched both your interviews with Rick -and I must say that my experience with K are very very similar to yours – the automatic asanas, mudras, bandhas, mantras, kriyas etc.

    I am also with you on your approach – ie understanding which stage in the development process and the relevant aspect of “self” to let go. That’s the very essence of your approach that I make out from your interviews/ comments.

    Although you did not explicitly mention the word “Grace” in your interview – I felt that you attribute a great proportion of awakening to it.

    Earlier I had a teacher (Chrism) who emphasized alot on surrendering to the divine and reassured me that I am not crazy. I am beyond the “shocked” stage now and currently my intentions are 1) trying to understand K and at the same time – 2) to become a better person.

    Thank you so much once again for the comment…. Will be writing to you soon.

    Best Regards,
    YM

  8. ”What happens to the ‘person’ when they drop the body after fully having become enlightened?…”

  9. I am used to the warmer Gangaji, Mooji and even Adyashanti-style presence by now, so at first I found Kufayev to be a bit too cold and intellectual-sounding. I found him more compelling as I stayed with the interview. He seems to possess a brilliant mind, he claims to have awakened to high levels, he has a quiet charm and I even suspect a good sense of humor which he reserves for what he deems appropriate times. While sharing fairly different information, he reminds me of early Alan Watts, without Watts penchant for theater. Kufayev here conveys not only wisdom and information, but also hints at further implications. His particular expertise on Kundalini – including preparation for the possibility of, and warnings regarding – appears so considered, that I am strongly inclined to believe significantly different notions from his to be poor guesses based on limited samples and dubious inferences/understanding.

  10. Thanks for sharing, Anatol. I was ‘there’ btw, at that webinar. The subject of Human Body as the battle ground is actually related to the main topic Vamadeva was addressing.

    @Dolphin – it’s funny you should mention likes of Mooji and Adyashanti in comparison to Igor – Vamadeva, for some of those who sat with these teachers come to him precisely because they didn’t find the help nor the answers, yet on just /seeing hearing Igor speak felt immediate heart connection.

  11. Thank you, this was a very reassuring interview. It seems as though the significant physiological changes I’m experiencing are not discussed or understood by many. Others I have listened to make it seem so easy with no mention of physiology – ?? Why? This for me is a truly embodied internal journey – I like what other teachers say but they aren’t of much help to those in the throws of unexpected awakenings. It seems like when the k awakes – noone really wants to discuss it, ‘the symptoms aren’t to be identified with’ – yes ok I get that, but just to know that you’re not about to internally combust and that you will be able to function and go on with life -given a little clarity from those like sarojini and the depth Igor has is gold on this site. The rest – from my perspective feels like chit chat. Thank you Rick for including these treasures.

  12. Know what? When I firs started into this kinda awakening of mine 20+ years ago, I used to see myself as the only soul on earth having this kind of insights about time, space and consciousness, the very same Igor speaks about in this interview. I would not talk about it to anyone, because I had the feeling that this was going to be an useless effort.
    Recently, many times I’ve had this “aha” feeling attending the words of an skilled or master person, I cannot possibly learn nothing from you or anyone, for this truth cannot be even brushed out the words. If you haven’t had a direct taste of the “enchilada” -I like Rick’s tasty metaphor- you can never figure out what it’s taste out of the list of ingredients neither from other’s experiences. And, i guess that is happening to many many seekers, they mistake the words of some kind of guru which have only a recalling effect of their very own seeker individual experiences for teachings: they think they’re learning something when they’re actually remembering what’s already known: they own true nature.

    Having said that, I don’t mean there’s nothing to learn. My own experience is that the teaching based upon the raw practices, the humble daily paths or techniques that must be taken in order to achieve some sort of growth, are the most powerful for boosting in awakening -yoga, meditation, martial arts or whatever- , more than the epic speeches upon the “true nature of reality”. It takes many many wisdom to enhance the Upanishads or the sutras, and only very few people can achieve this level.
    But, the feel I get hearing guys like Igor, (maybe Adyashanti or Tolle or very few more) is kind of “that’s it” and they speak directly from the experience, but also from the patiently crafted and worked mindfulness of their own awakening.

    Thank You very much Rick and Igor again for this fantastic talk.

  13. At the outset of the above video clip, Igor uses the terms “consciousness” and “awareness” interchangeably (i.e. “the expansion of c(C)onsciusness, the expansion of a(A)wareness”.

    He also speaks to awakening/self-realization-enlightenment as if they are distinct points of experience that occur in a progression.

    If you ever dreamed lucidly, you will recall that time (duration) and space (locality) are aspects of the dream, but not aspects of the a(A)wareness of it.

    All dreams contain progression (time and space), but the a(A)wareness of the dream is aspectless.

    Or so has my lucid dreaming experiences, both with eyes shut and eyes own, revealed to me.

    Which prompts me to encourage you, the reader, to consider that all discussions of things which include a progression (or the aspects of time and space)… to be merely reflections of a dream.

    Awareness of the dream, on the other hand, is devoid of any and all aspects. Including expansion (which requires time and space).

    I wonder if Tim F. touches upon this in his most recent interview with Rick.

  14. Peter ~

    Lucid Dreaming is a manifestation of witnessing over the dreaming and/or deep-sleep states of consciousness.

    Witnessing is impossible unless there is subject present.

    The main emphasis of the above given talk was to examine the often used terms in the light of direct experiences, where the different quality of consciousness dominates over other.

    Seen (object) dominates in waking (ignorance, maya, etc) over seer and seeing.

    Seeing (experience) dominates in awakening over seen and seer.

    Seer (subject) dominates in self-realization over seen and seeing.

    Nothing dominates in Enlightenment – there is no seer and seen, only seeing remains on its own.

    There is no progression. It is a sequential unfoldment of different values. Please watch the vid again there is a slight chance you’ve missed the point.

  15. I’ll be happy to re-view the clip later tonight. Have some errands to perform now.

    Until then, some perceptual seeds for your fertile soil:

    1) Re. “sequential unfoldment”, sequence, like progression, requires the fibers of time and space. Fibers of the fabric of c(C)onsciousness.

    2) Re. “…in Enlightenment – there is no seer and seen, only seeing remains on its own”, what you point your worded finger to as Enlightenment is what I point my worded finger to as Awareness.

    Subject-object is the Dream’s foundation. Being Aware of being Aware, on the other hand, is devoid of all aspects; including subject-object.

    You lumped c(C)onsciousness together with a(A)wareness re. the attribute of expansion, at the video’s outset. Do you still feel the same way? Still (ap)perceive a(A)wareness to possess the attribute of expansion?

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