127. Deepakbhai Desai

DeepakbhaiDeepakbhai Desai is the current representative of Akram Vignan, a direct path to Self-realization.

Born in Gujarat, India, Deepakbhai met Dada Bhagwan (the originator of Akram Vignan) at the age of 17, and attained Self-realization from him in the Gnan Vidhi ceremony. He credits these two events as the great turning points of his life.

Previously burdened by a shy and introverted nature, Deepakbhai became able to successfully complete his engineering studies and, over the coming decades, to build three successful engineering businesses.

Simultaneously, Deepakbhai was nurtured in further spiritual development by Dada Bhagwan, and Niruma Amin (Dada’s closest disciple). With all available free time, Deepakbhai attended satsangs (spiritual discourse), performed seva (selfless service), and engaged in continuous Self-introspection – devotedly seeking to understand the full dimension of Dada’s spiritual science.

In 1987, before Dada Bhagwan’s passing, Niruma and Deepakbhai were given the spiritual abilities to conduct satsangs and Gnan Vidhi ceremonies on Dada’s behalf. Together, they carried on Dada’s mission with tremendous harmony and spirit of oneness until Niruma’s sudden passing in 2006. Since then, Deepakbhai has officiated over a burgeoning spiritual community (Simandhar City, Gujarat, India), celibate male and female groups, teen and children’s programs, and ongoing world-wide satsang and Gnan Vidhi programs for seekers of Self-realization.

Deepakbhai is beloved by all who meet him, and is renowned both for his extraordinary levels of awareness and extreme humility.

His remarkable spiritual achievements are demonstrated in every instance of his selfless life.

For further information, and for Deepakbhai’s tour schedule, please visit: http://www.dadabhagwan.org/

All satsang and Gnan Vidhi programs are offered entirely free of cost.

Interview recorded 6/16/2012

Video and audio below. Audio also available as a Podcast.

117 thoughts on “127. Deepakbhai Desai

  1. both Pauls
    It’s useful to recognize that “lives” take place in the field of karma/action/energy. They are time-bound, functioning in an energetic mesh. The “soul” experiences a sequence of lives but remains independent of them.

    As for suicide, understanding our spiritual nature would probably prevent some of it. It’s not an escape nor a remotely good choice. But seeing it like failing a grade is certainly more healthy than seeing it as going to hell or a total fail.

    From a non-dual perspective, there is no individual soul but the key word there is individual. There remains a function of “soul” but it is non-separate, like a wave on an ocean.

    To understand this more deeply, we can say awareness becomes aware of itself both globally and at every point within itself. One of those points is you.

  2. Thanks David. From perspective of soul I’d say those who undertake “negative” action will be back for more karma. From the perspective of non separation source, if you will, is the initiator of all action and like a gigantic field of dominos all thoughts and actions are interconnected going back to the initial yin/yang separation making action at and individual soul level impossible. In essence there is only one doer.

    Earnest, loved your reference to the boat, crossing and occupant disappearing.

    Pete, I’m with you on the blank slate and parental influence. I do think at karmic level souls come in with something which accounts for many aspects of personality but there appears to be some limbo period in childhood where there is a blank slate and then some mixture of karmic tendencies is entwined with external experience and influence.

  3. Hi Paulk
    Well – they say the field of action is unfathomable. I’d not say it’s as simple as you suggest. For one, it is simply action. We may experience it as “good” or “bad” but it is simply forever seeking balance.

    Some actions make small ripples and are felt a short distance. Others are felt throughout creation. It’s not always obvious which are which, even by our own experience. Big dramas for us can be very minor in the scheme of things while others that may seem minor have impacts we never would have expected or never know. Many of histories famous events started with something trivial.

    The idea of one doer is rather a simplification. Action takes place in a field of action by interacting with itself. Even on the soul level there is no “action” per se. Thus there is no doer. It all really depends on perspective as to how this is seen. There is no one event or one being that started the whole thing rolling. Origins are more subtle than that, almost what we could call unintended consequences. It’s also vastly bigger than most have any idea. Our universe, for example, with its billions of galaxies, is but a pearl in a much larger space. Even scientists are now saying they’ve detected radiation from before the big bang, suggesting its an event in a cycle rather than a beginning.

    very big subject fraught with easy confusion.

  4. David, Even though scientists can go on infinitely finding more at the micro and macro level many posit a single origin. The big bang theory sounds an awful lot like the Hindu creation myth. Brahma exhales and the universe is created. Brahma inhales and it collapses. In terms of action I was just pointing to the fact that all of what we experience is out of our control as distinct individuals. There are so many factors that precede every action or thought that we’re not even aware of. Considering this leads to a non dual recognition and renders assigning blame or guilt to isolated individuals nonsensical. Still I like the admonition of a teacher who’s name I can’t remember: “You’re not the doer but act as if you are.”

  5. Peter:
    Regarding children, blank slates, language acquisition, and parenting.
    I disagree in this commonly held view in spiritual circles.
    None of these things have anything to do with Awakening. Period.
    And as to the notion of child purity and closeness to Being, I don’t think it is the case.
    Interesting that in older Tibetan times, children were actually seen as impure in the sense of being a long ways (most likely) from Awakening.
    We like to deify kids and pets, and of course ultimately, all are One. But we shouldn’t mistake cuteness for Beingness; any more than silence or genius should be.
    I love dogs. I foster dogs. But I know they can go from being cute to ripping the head off a cat in the blink of an eye. They are not likely to Awaken as they are lacking this reflection of being.
    Same goes for kids. Laughing video one moment, to 3 hour long insane tantrum the next. Same deal, extremely unlikely to Awaken until later in life if at all.
    But these are just observations. Awakening will occur when it will occur.
    And everything, after all, is an expression of the divine.

  6. Thanks, HS, for your comments.

    “I disagree in this commonly held view in spiritual circles.
    None of these things have anything to do with Awakening.”

    I don’t know what commonly held views may be embraced by which spiritual circles, so I’ll trust that there are some.

    “And as to the notion of child purity and closeness to Being, I don’t think it is the case.”

    I look to no attribute like cuteness, innocence, purity, etc. to raise them in my eyes. I do, however, look to one particular state of theirs that is particularly noteworthy:

    a baby isn’t born with a conditioned mind (both words underscored). Their minds become conditioned via their interactions with adults who possess conditioned minds.

    Our conditioned minds block us from seeing things clearly. And there would be no need for an awakening absent a conditioned mind.

    “Interesting that in older Tibetan times, children were actually seen as impure in the sense of being a long ways (most likely) from Awakening.”

    I’m gathering that that belief probably flowered in the garden of karma. I don’t subscribe to the notion/idea of karma, so I don’t resonate with that particular, Tibetan view of children.

  7. Now one with it… Wow, this has been an entertaining couple of days reading the various posts and watching various interviews with people claiming to be “teachers” of one kind or another. After a few days reading this or that on here, I would like to make a few observations if I may. The first of which is, why bother talking about one’s “awakening” or any alleged knowledge that one “attains” as a result of such an experience? Wouldn’t an authentic “realization” ultimately make you realize your separate and shared humanity more deeply? Is so, wouldn’t that naturally inform your behavior in a way that would probably make you a more empathetic and compassionate person without the need for trying to convince others that your concepts are better than their concepts? Wouldn’t presence, love, and acceptance be enough? Look, it just appears to me that a whole lot of people on this forum are some real good bullshitters, playing a game of comparing “realizations” or “understanding” in an effort to be more advaitically correct than everyone else. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with that, everyone needs to hear some good bullshit every now again. It keeps you honest, ha! But sincerely, why bother? Why so much espousing of second-hand information in an attempt to make it appear to be authentically your own, or trying to “out-Advaita” others? I hear a whole of treatises from people on here that feel really hollow and inauthentic, and delivering it as if it’s indisputable fact. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with being human guys, just being an ordinary person living a beautifully ordinary life!

  8. Happy belated birthday Jill! As a native New Yorker, I hope you enjoyed a walk through Central Park or simply quietly enjoyed the amazing energy NYC provides.

  9. Thank you Paul – I had a sweet birthday with the kids..always a treat to spend time with them…We were planning on seeing the new Woody Allen movie but got lost in conversation and the Silence over a long lunch…Yes New York is all that and more…it’s Home..

  10. When I grew up in NYC, The Cloisters was my favorite spot to decompress and re-center myself.

    Not as big as Central Park, to be sure. But certainly quieter.

  11. Gosh Peter – didn’t realize there were so many New Yorkers on the site..or former ones…Loved loved loved The Cloisters growing up- almost reverential…a great place to appreciate the quiet..
    The Silence is everywhere here though, even in the noisiest part of town – underlying everything – it whispers to us, but it’s true, some places just embody it more than others..

  12. *has no qualms delving into tangents today*

    Three things I miss about NYC:

    1) the ability to go from Point A to Point B – Z… without a car;

    2) the ability to attend a variety of public lectures at Columbia, NYU, Fordham, and CCNY; and,

    3) Rockefeller Center during Christmas, with the scent of roasted chestnuts in the air.

  13. A big YES to all three – Part of the embodiment is evoking and remembering our childhood memories – ‘feeling’ them fully – even the not so nice ones – so they can be integrated into the whole….I can feel that NY is a part of you..

  14. PaulV:
    I think you make one assumption in particular that needs looking at. What does Awakened behavior, language, interest, look like? Why not say, if it benefits a discussion, that one is Awake. Does that equate with ignorance or pride and thus prove that person is not? Why not give instruction, advice, teaching, stories? Is this a sure indicator a person isn’t Awake? The key is the heart/transmission behind the words (and silence) The words are really secondary anyways. The bullshit meter is a personal thing, a sense/intuition/feeling. Either way, all are welcome here. If you feel that much of it is bullshit, I can’t imagine you’ll stick around long.

  15. Peter:
    I often see this argument, that kids don’t have the same degree of conditioning as adults, and therefore are more free or in touch etc; But somehow, it would appear, being older, more mature, more conditioned, are the conditions from which Awakening generally blossoms. Rarely in the Indigo years, to borrow from new age. There’s nothing wrong with conditioning; every person that has awakened, did so with a (or from a) conditioned mind. It is impossible that the mind is without it. It is the nature of mind. And kids certainly have conditioning.

  16. It is a pleasure to be unaligned with your perspective on this particular issue, HS.

    BTW, did you form this perspective of yours partly from your experience as a parent?

    My parenting experience played a huge role in forming mine.

  17. Paul V, I’ll plead guilty to residing in my mind a bit much but is that less human than anything else? And I do think discussing the nature of reality helps to clarify or point to it. So I think its very worthwhile time spent. There’s about a million other things that can be characterized as human that I have no interest in. I think too, that there’s a time for reading books, digesting & discussing. Its part of the process. Granted some get “stuck” there for a while. But they’ll only be there as long as necessary.

  18. Well, I have kids and my own life experience and what I saw was that at certain points, experiences would enliven “prior” conditioning. We can certainly note that brain development gets to a certain point and the mind becomes more prominent. But 2 children with the same upbringing can respond quite differently to the same circumstance. And they can react way outside likely conditioning in some circumstances.

    From what I’ve seen, many of us carry shadows of our deep past, particularly the period during a rather precipitous drop in group consciousness awhile back. That has the effect of a prominent backstory or tone.

    Conditioning certainly plays a role, but its more an accessory role to a broader unfolding. Many of us here are in the last act (of this play) so the many threads are coming to resolution. As they say, we live in interesting times.

    And no, this isn’t something I’ve read.

  19. Peter:
    Just to be clear, what in particular are you in disagreement with?
    Keeping in mind, and to David as well, I’m not saying that parenting doesn’t matter, and that conditioning doesnt enter into it on some level. I’m saying from the perspective of Consciousness, Grace decides when things begin to blossom and mature into Knowing. It doesn’t care if you had an extremely troubled youth, or hail from a long line of ascetic yogis. How can this be? Because Grace alone knows the readiness of a being. And awakening to true nature is not a mind/body orchestrated event. Its simply Self seeing Self. How to explain it with words……

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